October 16, 2013
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1h 1m
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2013
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Mark Koernke discussed weapons preparation, logistics, and ammunition reloading in detail. He emphasized the 510 program for equipping militia members and stressed the importance of logistics in warfare. The show featured extensive discussion of firearms pricing, ammunition availability, and the value of older surplus weapons. Caller Tim, a reloading expert, announced completion of his second book on ammunition reloading and discussed motorized case trimmers, the 338 Lapua cartridge, and precision ammunition preparation. Don provided information on night vision technology and thermal gun sights available for purchase.
- 510 program
- militia logistics
- ammunition reloading
- night vision
- weapons preparation
- surplus firearms
- 338 lapua
- 416 rigby
- precision ammunition
- case trimming
- thermal gun sights
- preparedness
- second amendment
- weapons wednesday
- ammunition pricing
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As Iowocke vanished in the mist for whence he came, his words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watching tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? And good afternoon ladies and gentlemen this is the First hour of the afternoon, Intelligence Report, I'm our krinky. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southeast, east, and north. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to us on the Liberty Tree Radio Network, along with the Indiana Freedom Talk Radio Network. We're also on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, and Ultra Net technologies both east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're in the Hallmark Network, an eastern seaboard from the top of me to the bottom of the floor, up to the bottom of the floor across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed to Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, whole bunch of Wyoming to include both Pitt 3rd and 5th and our friends on the left side of the state along with the Civil War state of Colorado. We're a trigger pull away from the next war is quite probable. Waving the left coast we're the brown diaper stain and Feinsteinism vomits its wretched Soviet stench across the landscape. We find that the California Soviet Socialist Democracy is preparing its beachhead for the Communists in occupation and foreclosure, embracing all. of the Soviet 10 planks in preparation for the big handover. Turning back to the east we sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi and land in the Smokies slash the Blue Ridge with the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the Ma Bell Grammar Consortium of retired telecommunications workers bring us the Golden Spike. Many hands make polite work. A million petticoat junction operators across the whole of the land. We have Don there perhaps? Yes we do. And Don, it is of course a special day today. What is the date? What is the day? And let's jump in off the wall up there in your neck of the woods. and hey, I'm going to draw everybody to this weapons day. The perimeter is secure and you know there's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity, coercive force. It is the 16th of October, guys. We're a little past, well, we're at the halfway point. That's a problem. The height of October. Yeah, there's 31 days to the year, so we're kind of, well, either a little over or a little under. We're halfway through the year, through the month. And it is Weapons Wednesday. Real quick insert here, there's a couple of things I want to touch on through the program as we go, but page 20, War of the Revolution, the subsection is Boston Port Closed. The provincial congress sitting in Concord and later in Cambridge during the later part of 1774 appropriated what was to them the huge sums of 15,627 pounds sterling for the purchase of 20 field pieces, 4 mortars, 20 tons of grape and round shot, 10 tons of bombshells, 5 tons of bullets, 1,000 barrels of powder, 5,000 muskets and banettes and 75,000 flints, to which the Committee of Supplies, in charge of such purchases, added 350 spades and pickaxes, 1,000 wooden mess bowls, and a supply of pork, flour, dried peas, and rice. These military stores were to be deposited in Concord and Orchester. A provision was later made for securing tentage and various other kinds of munitions and supplies. In that subcategory, by the way, I know that the listing included an extensive number of swords. Both artillery and infantry officer and enlisted sword along with limited number of cavalry sabers. The cavalry lowest priority, in fact, There's an interesting argument about this. Cavalry being an excellent mobile opportunity and the concept of the Dragoon understood. Washington, even when some cavalry showed up, initially did not properly embrace them. And certainly only about 150 to 200 men available, bringing their own horses by the way. The advantage of having a mobile scout even if they were old nags, okay? Well that older horse or that mule that might be used still runs about twice as fast as a human being. if not three times. In fact the mobility factor is three because the horse has greater endurance. The mule has greater endurance. Cargoing, if nothing else, to move more supplies would have been another worthwhile aspect of having the dragoons, or if you want to call them cavalry in place. However, the important thing here is the logistics train, as we see, before hostilities broke out. Now, we've talked about the 510 program many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times, and I am going to harp on it until we hit the wall as they say, hit the war. The 510 program serves two purposes. Ours for the militia in general, and that includes in a subcategory people who may come late, people who lost everything but did everything they could to prepare but ended up being in the wrong place at the right time, and resupply for everyone. You know guys your stuff is going to wear out, your equipment is going to get shot, something is going to get busted, things get broken. Being able to take a person and completely re-outfit them from top to bottom with what is clean, fairly new or at least replacement hardware that is completely intact. is a psychological pick-me-up on top of everything else. Always remember that. To actually be resupplied. One of the sub-element of that psychologically is you feel at least like somebody cares about you. You know what I mean? And if you're down to the point like in the American War for Independence where a couple years into the war some of these men were running around in rags in the middle of winter they were wearing summer uniforms that had turned to rags. Now that becomes very questionable and very apparent about what maybe your priority isn't in terms of the pecking order of things to do. And so again I might rightly remind you here guys we need to take care of our own. Now the second element of the 510 program Many people in the US military are not going to go along with the BS, but elements of the military, each one will have political commissars, many of them foreign, most of them foreign. They're already in place in the US Army, they're already in place certainly in the Air Force and the Navy, and the job of these political commissars is going to be to obviously spy and keep an eye on all of the Americans as they become disenfranchised from the international Soviet slash the Soviet socialist slash communist operations in the American government against the American people. A lot of people are going to show up bare-butt naked from that direction. They're going to want to fight. They're going to need material and equipment. And again, to be able to re-equip them or equip them for the first time top to bottom is going to be especially critical. Because that is another part of esprit de corps but also psychologically it demonstrates that yeah, perhaps you actually are doing your job, are focused in the right direction. Anybody who knows how you have to fight understands logistics, knows how to fight understands logistics. So there's a number of different reasons for the processes that we're talking about, but the 510 program is especially critical. As far as five weapons go, you know, it used to be I could tell you for about $300 you could outfit a whole group of people with at least something that would put a big nasty hole in you out to three, four hundred yards. Not anymore. Not anymore. Now it's going to cost you about a... well there's nothing for $100. There's something for, you know, like the NEGOT rifles are now lingering at about the 120 to 130 mark. There's nothing in a gas operated rifle for $100 anywhere, $150 or even $200. Please, point one to me. I'd like to see that. Then again what we're looking at is the cheapest handguns are running or hovering around 200, little less, little more. Weapons that should be about $70, $80 a piece, $100 that are surplus, and we're selling for that. So the thing is that to find a weapon or a brace of five weapons you're going to have to be creative. I won't discount the pump shotgun as we mentioned many times, but the average price of a pump shotgun is about $200 out there. You might find some used ones. That's where I'm saying the Stevens and you know a lot of the older guns they work fine That may be a way for you to get up or show up with about say five or six pump guns It may be 125 hundred thirty apiece, and if you're running any for a hundred dollars just grab them outright If it looks like it needs work or you find out it needs work afterwards, you know what? Spare parts are around. You just got to look for them. Usually the person that doesn't, you know, the person that's selling the gun doesn't know where to look and doesn't really care. They either want to move it out because they, it's broken or whatever. Well, if you can see that it's broken or there's a problem with it, you know what it is, do a quick evaluation and make a decision and remember, parts is parts. The the big thing here is it isn't the hundred dollar solution anymore per man for weapons and as far as ammunition goes there aren't any nickel around Prices out there remember when I told you to buy all that Tokarev ammunition. I'm gonna rub this one in too I explained at the time that the Tokarev is an orphan round from one direction. Now here's the only problem. There's a whole bunch of submachine guns made during the Cold War and if you look at all those pictures I've been telling you about in the Middle East, you will notice that a bunch of submachine guns are popping up in the troops' hands. Now they're not showing that in the control media. They're very heavily engineering the imagery. They aren't showing you how hodgepodge the weapon systems on both sides are in what is, as we've said, a war where anything and everything that will put a bullet downrange is used. If it's an AK, great. If it's, you know, an MAR OK. In reality though, there's MP44s from World War II, there's Peppier submachine guns from World War II through to the Korean War, there's VZ-CZ weapons from Czechoslovakia showing up in the sub guns, the assault rifles, the whole nine yards. There's a whole bunch of weapons that are showing up that are some of her very unique. In fact, every once in a while somebody finds this clutch of something that's actually very collectible, but they've been in some stockroom in the back. Somebody busted off a case and blew it off the rest of the way and said, wow, I didn't know we had any of these. I'll give them to you for $9. And all of a sudden these oddball weapons that haven't been seen for 40 years or so show up out there. They're complete. They work. They'll kill you today just like they did 40, 50 years ago. But they're odd man out weapons. So expect to see that. So when somebody says, well that's an odd foil armor, so you obviously don't have any clue what's going on on this planet. So please back off on that one and go back to your magazine. OK? and I don't mean your weapons magazine because obviously you know too many of this you know the the the pap cg printed combat scenes where everybody's got a folk or tri-plane on one side and everybody's got a softwood camel on the other or a Newport you know I mean but nothing else you know that's an example of CG and everybody's carrying an AK and there's no other weapon out there whereas again even when you look at even the training videos most recently many of these armies the Chinese the Koreans, the Japanese, yeah if it's really if it's a really tight and heavily controlled unit that they're putting up there is a flower unit, a pristine unit, yeah it'll be perfect. But no matter how you look at it, in every image I've seen there's odd man-out weapons everywhere right now. Nobody's throwing any of the old stuff away and they're bringing the new stuff in too. So again, whatever you find is acceptable but you've got to have the support for that weapon with it. If it takes magazines, your web gear should match up so the magazines work. Otherwise, your man is fumbling. We can't have that. It's cheap enough. Most of these older weapon systems, there's tons of mag pouches, there's all kinds of support system for them. Buy them. Example, when the HK and CEPME parts were out there, cheap, cheap, cheap, only what? Two, three years ago, guys. You could buy cleaning kits for less than a dollar a piece. In fact, if you bought them in quantity, they were down to 50 cents a piece. They were German, HK produced. Mags are still $2-3 a piece for those, which is really the critical part. As far as I'm concerned right now, HKs, FNFLs and M14s are all hovering around the same price range. But you're not going to put five of those on the shelf for $500. Okay? That ain't going to happen. However, they are still a good choice. If you decide to focus on, for instance, PTR 91s or CETMES, that'll work. That'll work just fine. Go to it. Anyway, and what I want to bring up here for a reason is we are heading into a battle. The bad guys are trying to figure out how to wheedle around, catching us off guard. So far there's been some really interesting responses from the general population, but the pig bankers on the other side that manipulate the meat puppets and the executive branch, the fools and stooges there and the queers that are there, guys, the writing's on the wall. Game's over on this thing. It's not an if, it's a when. They're trying desperately to figure out how to plug in the rest of their communist crap and there is no way we're going to live with that. Which means the train wreck is is coming not an F not a maybe not a kind of the only thing is the date The interesting thing is the way they're hyper active activating it right now during the fall the fall is the harvest season that means a highly aggressive and destructive war where they're going to try to do as much damage as they can and using starvation or using food deprivation. They've got all these boobies on the welfare state nonsense. They don't know how to take care of themselves. They become total plebes. Gee, what a surprise. And the only thing they're going to try to use them as is a shock troop or, you know, again, organic sandbags to create problems before the real threat shows up. So we need to use economy in force when dealing with that. Does everybody understand how that works? The useful idiots are gonna do whatever stupid thing they're gonna do. You'll have to put that down real quick. There's no talking to the zombies in that respect. The next batch are gonna be the dogs. And those characters are gonna... those are the ones obviously. Don't let any of them get away. When they come out, kill them all off. Don't let any of them get away. And again, apply force accordingly. Remember that. Irregular slash the rioter types burn them toast them put buckshot in them put shot in them and just heard them remember once they going back the other way they become a burden for the enemy's supply and support system I'm not fixing them That's the big thing your better weapons and your better equipment needs to be held back for the real threat coming up after that Just keep that in mind. Anyway, we got a lot of technology and weapon systems we have to be taking into consideration. On our side, Don, night vision technology is an issue. I want to make sure that everybody understands, and I know most all of our regular listeners do, but we do have new listeners constantly. You have night vision technology available. You can answer questions. People, why are you dealing with a stranger when you can deal with a friend and a person who stayed the course when a lot of other people have buckled in? tried to lick the other side or just rolled over. Okay? So in this case, here's the person to talk to. Don, you have night vision. How can we get hold of you and what do you have available? Well, thank you Mark. If you want to talk about night vision, I'm happy to answer questions. I'm surprised we don't get more people calling in, particularly on a weapons Wednesday, just for a question about night vision. We generally, we cover a lot of the basics and sometimes we get that calling question, which is good, but if you want to talk about night vision, you guys, You can reach me at 231-796-8458. We can talk about goggles or gun sights, green screens or thermal, you know, thermal gun sights or thermal viewers. Hey, the phone number again is 231-796-84. We've got a first generation gun sight, 308 capable. The manufacturer is so confident in that 308 recoil capable they warranty the device for two years. Now you can contact me and we can talk about that. I'll put that in your mailbox for $429 you guys. My phone number is 231-796-8488. Again, 231794580. Second generation gun sight 308 capable. we can go into a second generation gun sight 50 caliber capable but if you go up into the more into the top in thermal we can bring up some thermal that's well will live on top of your McMillan or your oh one of those guns from Larry Watson or you know we're getting a little bit more common in the knowledge there because we've talked about Mr. Why we've talked about you know he's got the entry-level 50 caliber bolt gun, the cheapest one on, well, the entry-level one on the North American continent. And then we could talk about like Mark Westrom's gun, the guy from Arma Light, or Ronnie Barrett, head designer, bottle washer, and everything else over there at Barrett. So if you're looking for something to live on any of those guns, your half-inch guns, we can do that in second generation now. We've been able to do it for a while, but again, it's a slide up and sideways from the second generation 308 capable which will go right in your mailbox for $1,305. That's delivery, that's a two year warranty that's right in your mailbox, $1,305. My number is 231-796-8458. Again, two, three, one, seven. Don't want to leave a caller hanging up. Let's, if we got a three or four callers, let's do this like a machine gun verse. And we Star six will unmute you if you have a question comment Want to you know run something by the world. Hi, Don. Hey, hi. I recognize that voice. Yes, Tim. How are you, Don? I can't complain. How about you, Tim? What you got going? I'm doing fine. I know you mentioned this morning that That series why we fight, okay program this morning. I know where you can get that. Yeah. In case if you didn't know. You can get it from this outfit on the web called DeepDiscount.com. Do they have a price for it? I'm not sure. I know it's pretty reasonable. My wife ordered it so I don't... She can't remember what she paid for it. Have you ever seen it before? No, no, we have. This is a wealth of information for you and the people around you. You'll see things that, man, I didn't know that, or, man, I didn't know that was on film. Re-grilled stuff recorded into history. This is something most every militia man or at least every group should have, much like the Czechest. Speaking of information, I called in to make an announcement. I finished my second book. Yeah? Yes. Yes, as a matter of fact, it's twice as long as my first book, probably the last year, pretty steady working on it. It's 100 pages long. There's a lot of information. I put a lot into this. I put a lot more into my second book than I put into my first book. There's a chapter on molly-coding your own bullets. There's a lot of people out there who might be interested in that that really don't know how to do that. I included a detailed section on how to paper-batch bullets. I've got a chapter on converting verdant, brass, boxer-primed, the right way. I've affected this in my shop. I've got photographs. everything you need to know to do that in case you got a lot of perdant brass out there that you want to convert. There's a chapter on the history of reloading. There's a chapter on advanced case preparation, advanced load preparation. Those are made. Good read. A lot of fun. And like you say, just to use your terminology, 28 bucks and I'll put it in your mailbox. There you go. But like I said, it's 100 pages. I've also included some other things in there, a few other things that are, like I said in my conclusion, they're not really voting related, but I'm not going to go into them. What they are, I'll let anybody who's interested and wants to buy my book find that up for themselves. There you go. Cool. That's good though. In most of the speak, I can't remember which, leave them in suspenders a little bit. But again, I'm glad that you brought that up because you guys, you know, Credence is good. To get a backup on that is good. And to find out when we bring something to the hour and someone says, oh, this is where you can get it, that's good too because, you know, it makes spreading that information easier. I picked up a copy for myself and then a copy I nailed out to someone in Arizona from the bin in the big lots. And I've been watching for him ever since. and they came in once and about three months later or four months later the tailings of that was spread through the company and I haven't seen them since. What was that? But again, everybody should have information. You should have a good library you guys because it's always good to I don't have that memory that I can tell you the fourteenth word on the seventeenth page of the third edition of Write Down Bam Bam Bam and that word was what? I can't do that. My house is a virtual library. I have books everywhere. As a matter of fact, There are places here where it would be ballistic. If you just stand behind the bookshelf. I collect certain psychopaedias. I have probably 13 or 14 different sets. I have three sets of Psychopedia Britannica. I think I mentioned that once. I've got three or four different world book sets. I've got another set called the readers and cipic-la-pedia that I picked up at a library sale. And so I have a lot of books. I love books. And the thing about it is, this is one thing, I recently went to a meeting, ugly here, and it seems like the focus now is these people, everybody at the meeting were self-published authors like myself. I was the only one that had anything actually in print. Everybody else, they had released their work in e-form. And this is one thing that I've said for a long time. Most people, I don't know if they just don't pay attention or what. Once it's in print, it cannot be changed. But these e-books, like with the people at meetings said that it was a woman and she published She claimed, I haven't checked it out, four different novels that are selling on Amazon and she actually went back after she had released her book and changed some things in the book. So, you see what I'm saying? Once it's in print, it can't be changed. But these e-books, and then the other thing is, is just with a flip of a switch or a click of a mouse, That book can be no longer available. Right. It's just burned into history. The Orwellian disappearing of information. Yes. Exactly. My point there is I believe that books are invaluable. No matter what it is, you never know what you might find between those pages. Oh, exactly. Exactly. A store of information running through the woods. And I know it's hard to carry a library through the woods. And I know, in all reality, how much information can be stored on a disk, you guys. I claim to be computer illiterate, but I know some of the basic function parameters. You know what I mean? I know it's like 943 books on a disk. I know. Well, it depends on the side though. But you can keep running through the woods and take your disk out of your best pocket here, inside your battle gear, and reach in and just take out your Desert Storm camo New Testament and sit down and read it if it's on disk form and well I'm gonna plug my computer here into oh, there's a receptacle there on that oak tree It does not work like that. It doesn't plug in Even if I carve it with my knife and make it look just right paint it so even I can I can even bend some pin foil from some of the memory so it looks metallic even It still won't work. Oh bang I just wanted to make that announcement that I finished my second book. It's available for $28. All I have to do is go to my website to email me or you can call me at 847-875-7697 or www.jimseaworthllc.com. Great. Do that again. My website is www.jimseaworthllc.com. or you can call me at 847-775-7697. Thanks. As a matter of fact, one of the first things that I'm going to be working on this winter is a motorized case trimmer. Now, I know some of the people who have purchased my book, I include a little leaflet, if you want to call it that, a couple pages of sources for reloading supplies. And in there, I also mentioned that in my first book, I have photographed motorized case trimmer that I built myself. And what I'm in the process of doing is redesigning it and improving it. And once I get a working prototype made, it's going to be capable of trimming up to 20 millimeter brass. See, that's the whole thing. You get these motor... there's a couple of motorized case trimmers on the market. Specifically, there's the one from Groovy C. Doyle Gracie is no longer around. He passed away, but he's the guy who designed it back in the 80s. That's the flaw in that thing that's been around. But the thing about it is, it's a standard Gracie model. Will not even trim the big webbie cartridges. They do have a 50 caliber model, but that's all it'll do. It'll do 50 cal. And that model is like $300. But my trimmer will be capable of trimming any size cartridge from 22 hundred up to 20 millimeter. Once I get done designing it and getting a prototype, I've got it designed, I just have to get a prototype done. And that's been on the back burner the last. So that's one thing that I'm, one other thing that I'm working on. And I know there's a need because Here's the other thing. If you go to Gracie's website, which happens to be matchprep.com, they do have a motorized version of their trimmer. But it uses a little bitty 115 horse motor and attachment in between the motor shaft and the trimmer shaft. It's real cheesy and I'm not afraid to say it. All it is is a piece of rubber hose with two crimp on it attaching to two shafts. And the motors don't last long. I'll tell you that right now. So you're paying $350 for this little motorized trimmer where the motor is not built for a long use. I'll put it that way. Or on the other hand will be. industrial grade the big thing there is that a lot of people don't necessarily look well or they figure that well you'll replace the motor or you'll replace the whole unit do when in reality we need something that's more durable especially when you look at the idea that casework at all of any kind no matter what you're reloading is thousands of units tens and tens of thousands of repetitions Exactly. I have trimmed literally, like you said, I've trimmed literally tens of thousands of cases with my motorized version. My motorized version has a half horse motor belt drive and trimmer literally for eight hours straight doing nothing but just trimming brass. I once trimmed the whole five gallon bucket full of 308 brass in one day and a five gallon bucket holds about 1700 308 cases. I know this book back. stepping up and putting a whole lot of this material to its extensive use. In fact, we're going to put it to its limit. So what we need is either is not only a design, a consideration here is also ease of replacement with regard to fixtures. That's another thing you should tie into the design. It should be completely rebuildable. That's the most important aspect of it. Absolutely. Well, my design will be, I mean, like you said, I build everything. You know, because I've been the carpenter for 35 years, I've built hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of buildings, but anything that I've ever built for myself has been industrial grade. I can definitely say it. So anything that I design will be It will be industrial grade. You should get 15 or 20 years out of that. Oh, the one that I have right now, it's that motor that's been on there, has been on there since 1996. And I use it, I do most of my loading for the wintertime, so I use it quite a bit every winter. Yeah. Well, another one. Another thing here, also, you brought up the idea of the Rigby. Most people aren't familiar with the Rigby size cases, but we're looking at big game or up and even beyond the 300 win in major dimensions. The cool thing is that those weapons are out there. And as I pointed out, they're the parents of the present new cycle of large bore cartridges that have come into play, the 338 win. brought us the 338 Lapua. That's the only reason it's 338. There was a lot of 338 bullets out there, so let's acknowledge that. The Rigby's in the 400 series, bigger than 400, again have been the reason for the dimensions of the next family of larger, bore, long case, belted or un-belted that are out there that are now coming into play, that are starting to be developed. uh... but there's a lot of reed be on their a lot of three thirty eight wins more after you think and that's a chubby stubby bullet nor not cartridge uh... in a ways it's a girthy round and a good round you know actually is performed for a long time a lot of people centered around centered on several of their weapon systems around these cartridges so don't be surprised or an into them which is the other reason we're looking at reloading them It's why that needs to be taken into consideration. Guys, if you become an armorer or you become a quartermaster for an area, you're going to see stuff coming out of the woodwork that you're just scratching your head off. I've never seen one of those before. And for instance, here in Michigan, big game shooting like that, especially with the auto workers who had a lot of money to utilize. Most all of the old traditional gun shops here had literally whole walls of bullets just for reloading. There are shops that I went to in the Pontiac area that are long gone now that were premium shops and literally a wall for about 12 to 14 feet from top to bottom was nothing but custom Hornady spear and foreign bullets that were made for the big game category. And whatever flavor you had was accommodated out there. And by the way, they bought the rifles. So those rifles are out there. In many cases, I've seen this many times, a guy had maybe two or three hundred rounds and there's about two hundred and sixty empty cases and a handful of live rounds and somebody either inherited it or the wife still has and she goes, well he shot those and I don't have any more. So there you go. You've got cases you've got good ammunition I'm good good brass to work with not nothing to sneeze at no this stuff is poorly made And by the way, it's also fire form to that rifle so don't just throw that into a pile with a bunch of stuff and say we'll figure out what goes where later uh-uh you tag that to the weapon right to that gun right to that chamber Yeah, because those are you're talking a lot of times with they bought the rifle they also bought the glass that goes on the roof You're talking rifles. Go ahead. Go ahead. Do you? I'm sorry. Go ahead. Finish. Well, no, I was just saying that this is one of the things I've personally seen is there's a lot of collections out here because of those purchases from the 50s, 60s, and into the 70s and early 80s. After the first depression in the 70s, things started to taper off and there's a short window there where, you know, again, everything was lost. And then Towards the middle 80s there were people trying to rebuild those kinds of stores to come up with quality stores that actually were big game and fun rifle category as far as like the surplus guns along with a whole bunch of other stuff. And they did kick it back into gear but they just didn't, the same kind of heart wasn't into it as far as I'm concerned watching the industry with what transpired. So those weapons are out there in force. It's a whole block of arms. Oh, I have no problem. You're talking about being able to engage targets out to 800, 1000 yards comfortably and with a lot of energy at the other end. And no, you're not going to spray and pray with any of these firearms. They were designed for marksmen. So these are the kind of weapons that get awarded to those riflemen that are going to be you know, not you know shooting knuckle dragging black uniform You know gorillas and putting them down with one round hard Wherever you want to place the bullet they can do it the biggest thing is understanding that these are they're all precision tools some of the finest weapons you'll ever see are going to be coming out of the woodwork Yeah, where'd that bullet go? Don't worry the other one came from the same place plop I guess he did know what he was doing As he flops over the machine gun on the cupola. Yeah Well, and that's what we need to look at this guy's is that and that's why they're what you brought the subject up most people don't understand There's a lot of big stuff out there. We can't discard it. Go ahead, please speaking of that 338 Lapula round. I know you've talked about it before on the either. But do you, I happen to know the guy who was directly responsible for it originally coming into being. And even though a lot of people won't acknowledge this, I don't know if, because I live over here in Wisconsin, Wisconsin had to be gifted with two of the best barrel makers in the world and I know both of them personally. It's from my house. His name is Bruce Obermeyer. The guy who originally came up with the 338 Lapua and you wouldn't let you want to know why he came up with it. It's a little bit of trivia. for all those listening out there. The reason why he used the 416 Rigby case as opposed to one of the big Weatherby cases was because the Rigby case does not have a belt. Yeah. Belted cases, it has to do with head space. Belted cases are supposed to headspace on the belt, not on the shoulder on the belt. And so consequently, that is really not fairly conducive to really good accuracy. And that's the reason why Boots used a 416 Rigby case that come up with the 338 Lapua instead of using either the 378 slash 460 Weatherby case, which happens to be about the same capacity, maybe even a little bit more. If you talk about case capacity. But a lot more expensive too. Just because it says Weatherby. I don't know how many of those little Lexan blocks we sold with all of the different Weatherby calibers. Remember that we were in Wisconsin and you had a loaded, happily-drowned. Those things are worth a fortune now. Their stupid price. The 460s even then, it was like, we sold them. I know who they are around this area here. I know the guys are all pro-patriot. It's really funny. I think we sold seven 460s back in the late 70s. And of those, everyone went to somebody who now, they dare live it. The best person to have that rifle in hand. But like you said, specialized cartridges, and especially when we're looking at the whole philosophy of locking that bullet into that chamber in such a way that there's no You're minimizing all the variances. That's what the purpose of the land is almost eliminated. Yeah, that's one of the things that again people it's really the most important thing to understand every aspect of where you can eliminate a dimension of variance affects your bullet everything though that's what we're talking about we goes well mark why would you save the brass and just for that gun well because that critic every weapon even though that we're in the age of precision machinery We can make you know four barrels that would be identical come to in fact We've been able to do that for 50 years, but we don't want to talk about that The reason that it's not likely is because when you're me me me me me me me Extruding you know cranking out those barrels and doing the rifling Well the barrels are you know going into a hopper and they aren't set side by side by side But if you kept tooling at the highest grade and you pulled and ran everything, you could come up with five barrels that would virtually be identical. It's purely a matter how much money you want to spend in every step. Now, because that isn't the case, and they aren't side by side, and even if they were, there's still, there's allowance for a variance that is within a very small degree, but because your rifle is built a certain way, once that brass is formed of that chamber, And that performance has been executed. In fact, the brass has been shaken out. The case is formed. Add to the dimension of your particular process, the machine process for that rifle for that day. That particular dimension variant is eliminated. and that means that the round itself is going to be that much more stable going downrange and that means that there's that many more feet where if I said at 300, 400, 500, 600 yards see that guy right there? I'm going to put that bullet right next to his nose blow out his cheek take the back of his head and paint that wall watch me boom and one two but look at that she still shoots the way I thought she did And that's the difference. And again, you can press the extreme on that. Now is that precision absolutely necessary? Well, the tighter you keep it, aim small, miss small. We all have heard that, right? So the tighter we can keep it though to keep the dimension the performance of every one of these rounds that we build The greater the distance and that's what we need to do. I'm not limited. Yeah, I'm not limited to 200 yards I hate that first time I heard that from somebody and I'd laugh I really did it's like Yeah, because it was by a person who's like well I've read the you know the farthest you're gonna reach is 200 yards and fighting situation blah blah blah I said really will you keep thinking that? I don't think it was anatomy. I was like, you keep thinking that. I cover all that in my second book. I cover all those things just like what you were talking about in my second book. There's a whole chapter on advanced loading preparation in each chapter. It's about ten pages long. Yeah, we have, again, let's point out, depending on what we're building the round for, we don't have to be as persnickety. If I'm building ammunition for a battlefield belt-fed gun, I want to create what's called a cone of destruction. And the way that you do that is you have consistent, basic dimension for the load of the round. but you don't do anything to tighten it up. You don't need to. It's to mill spec. It performs within its original parameters. Now that's acceptable because down at the other end when I fire a 3-5 round burst, I don't want those bullets one on top of the other. It's kind of like a big high-powered, high-speed shotgun. and it's belt fed so it's putting a lot meaner, nastier, round down range. The real assault rifles, even there, I want a standard but I don't need to tighten it up extremely because the whole purpose behind a true assault weapon is on select fire. Again, saturation but controlled fire to suppress an objective and overwhelm with firepower. Now that sounds good and like it should work every time until the guy shows up with that bolt-action rifle that can shoot you first time around and well you started with 10 and then you have 8 and meanwhile his buddies join in and now you have 6 and boy you're spraying ammunition and you're on your 4th magazine and now your pouch is empty because you were told you can only carry 4, 6 or 8 round, 8 mags at the most. You know militaries do that to you guys despite whatever it is until you learn to ignore the rules. And then all of a sudden you find out that guy that was aiming way before you were spraying and praying. He won. See? So if it's combined arms, there's a different story. But again, you've got this one thing does everything philosophy that a lot of these characters have pumped into everybody's brain. And it just doesn't work that way. It's like saying that one tool in your toolbox does everything. It just doesn't happen, guys. It's not reality. So I like my sedan. My wife loves the sedan. But a pickup truck is really handy for other jobs and really suits my needs. Just like, you know, again, right tool, right application. So that's another thing. Go ahead. A little 250cc motorcycle is great for running to the store, too. Right, exactly. Sometimes you just need something small enough to put in your pocket. or at least in a shoulder holster. Oops. You can put that in the back of the pickup truck for the... Yeah, it's got a light boat that way. Lamborghini did that, so only this would be... With more common sense applied. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what again guys reloading. It's a priority We just mined a bunch of lead. I don't even know how much we didn't wait up yet We just mined a bunch of lead from one of the ranges when I say mined we don't we don't think think about this We didn't even take a shovel. We know we don't need to there's so much lead on the ground It's just laying there first time I look at us and look at all those pebbles I'm thinking you know what this is the impact here. I should know better and as I got closer. It's like Those aren't pebbles. It's just lots of richness Oh, look at the wealth laying there just for me to pick up. Oh, thank you, thank you. Oh, shooting God. And so we, of course, filled five gallon pails up halfway with reckless abandon. I only have a count in how much we collected. So that's something you need to remember, guys. And another thing, this is in preparation, should we not be, or even if we are, we're going to be needing more lead anyway. If we are peaceable through to the spring when the snow melts there's a lot of bullets out there that go through all that snow fluff and then just lay there. Oh yeah. And they are pristine. Don't just toss those into the melt yet. In an emergency a lot of stuff can be done with stuff like that as long as he's not distorted and she's clean. And I've gone out especially on the pistol ranges. 45 down the lane every night. We are at the top. But I would mention that cleaning up the roofing job, you know, we talked about doing the roof a while back. Try not to throw away those nails, because they go real good in, they're good ammunition for those one shot in place cannons. Bluff! Oh yeah. It hurts! A lot of horrible things happen down range. I've been, I've been roofed. Uh, wait a minute, I also got glass. Oh, I got safety glass from the car. Where has that nail been? That's right. a missing male beehive from. Those are great for so many different projects because they can be held, you know, and they're easy to handle. You can break off every many you need. You can wrap them around a charge and when it goes off, you get a nice uniform expansion because the glue doesn't slow or the paper doesn't slow them down at all. In fact, it shears between the nails and they go out at the velocity necessary. Same is true with something if the pointed down range is in that tube. Everything that we got this mean we got to be prepared to use because we can't let any of them get away. Tim, thank you sir. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Dad. Appreciate it. And again, new book coming out, guys. Don, your number for night vision, please. Hey, that number is 231-796-8458. Well, God bless the Republic. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. And despite the liars, the thieves, and the absolute pigs and swine that we see, well, the bottom-feeding, shall limp-dinked opposition. Well, despite what they try to do, we're going to beat them.