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It's clear, it's cooling up a little bit here. We got a little fire in the wood burning stove just to take the chill off a little bit. What's it like in your neck of the woods and what is the day today? What's jumping off the wall up there? Well Mark, on this 26th day of September, year of our Lord 2013, sun's going down, kind of a neat sunset there. It's going to be a little crisp tonight, but hey, it's called Indian Summer. Beautiful fall. Look at that imaginary line in space. I didn't see it. Did anybody else die from Iran there at the United Nations or a fearless leader from here kind of talking? There's all kinds of goofy stuff we could talk about. This is really a comedy of the clowns and it's way too tragic and there's a whole bunch of other words we could put there. But we kind of have to look at them like other veins. The other day, Mark, we were talking about gas. And I want to continue that thought line because I haven't been here in a little while. Today is one of those days you wake up and it's like you wake up and we don't have any water. There are parts of your lifetime you guys. This is some of you might recognize this and some of you might not. Sometimes there are times in your life when just about the time, not to be redundant with the use of the word, but just about the time that the blisters are healing up in the palms of your hand or around the roots of your thumb from doing things you haven't done in a little while. Not that I'm kind of wimpy or anything. Don't get me wrong, but you load hands up different ways and do it for a good long time and you get calluses. If you don't do it for a while, well, there are quicker ways to calluses, aren't there? But just about the time the blisters start to heal over and get crusty here and there, well, some of them get rubbed right off from different projects all of a sudden mark. So here we are, and we've got water. And I hate to put a different pump in where I've been putting the same one in, replacing it with the same kind for years. At any rate, they change your whole world. You have to do this and that and the other thing and make water go in different directions. And that's not my forte. So it's not like I can do it like your average plumber, bam bam bam, turn this that and it's tight. And he would put a little tape on that and we're done. But again, it took me most of the day to put a different kind of pump in there. And wow, this is a pump that's supposed to lift for 70 feet for a surface pump. So I'm real happy. And we've got good water pressure, just like the city now. So again, sometimes you wear off blisters just in time to get other blisters. And we were talking about gas. I want to continue that thought other than the mixing of thoughts there because when you're in that well pit, you're in one place, aren't you? We've talked about contained areas. Now, you guys look around on the Liberty Tree site there, Mark. I'm not certain if we offer it directly or we have to do a special deal or we can just get it on the disk right now, but there is one way or another a way to acquire the text or the disc that contains that marvelous little novel set in modern future, not too distant, kind of could have happened yesterday times, the Green Horse. Now there in the Green Horse, that was written by a very smart fellow. He was someone who has a concern for you to the extent that, well, there in the Green Horse, the author even tells you how to generate oxygen. And it's a, you know, if you're out in the woods and, well, here comes big, big hunks of gas, and, well, big sheets of plastic that just sit down into that swale, and here comes a little trench and everything's, and you're in there for a while, well, you would suffocate that group of people, but if you can generate oxygen in that contained environment. Well, that would be a good thing. And the green horse will tell you how to generate oxygen. It's not an easy thing to do. And we were talking about oxygen the other day. Now, I want to continue. Mark, I've had a couple people when I can step away for a moment, say, well, sometimes Don will get running on a thought line pretty good and just leave out this, that, or the other thing in order that, well, we're trying to touch a whole lot of bases here. And it's more than a diamond sometimes shaped. But when you're working with gas or when gas is being worked against you, that's a more proper way to frame up what we want to talk about right now. And we won't dwell on this for the hour, but you guys, there's so many basics that when you start to build out the foundations of attacks like this, again, you can sit and talk about it all night. It's not like, well, you know, we won't dwell on this for an hour. It's like, well, there are many little secrets or anything. But one of the things that wasn't brought up, and this works the same, this is the same thought line that needs to be, most people don't want to address this mark. This is why it has to come to the front again. But we can talk about you're walking through the woods and you're walking along the edge of the tree liner, or you're literally, you know, you have to cross the road or whatever, and here's the ambush. Now, a lot of people want to run for cover and turn and run away from the threat, but generally the guy or the team that's setting up the ambush, they're going to pick a place where it's hard for you to run. Or if you jump over there into those bushes, well, that's where the lions hide, or that's where the pungy sticks are, or the mines, or the other people that can shoot down that alley lane, so to speak. So again, if you can pick and choose where you're going to fight, now we've just talked about that, haven't we? But generally when gas is deployed against you, they kind of kick and choose they're going to move upwind. Now, the other spot line that wasn't presented the other day when we talked about gasmark, and it needs to be filled in because this is one of the others, is to move directly upstream, to move directly toward the threat. Now, in one instant you're going to be in that heavy cover if it's being generated real hard and you're going to just walk out into it and you're going to be looking at it. That might seem a little bit simple to describe, but it can be that sudden and blatant. You guys to move straight upward is one of the militant, or we're going to fight this because it fits in its other thought line. There are probably going to be people moving downwind. along with the gas in order that they sweep the area. Now, this same thought line, you're moving through an area, you're moving civilians, you're moving from a battle. There's all types of ways to be on the foot, even in mechanized, light mechanized, even in, you guys, even in moving battleships. Think about this. And sometimes we ask you to compare an inch to a mile. but you're moving down that path. You move ever so slightly and now it's just big enough that the path becomes like 12 or 14 feet and welded. Everything dictates it. You have to move along the edge of that clearing and you get to the edge of that clearing. There ain't no place to go over there but from the other side everything lights up and starts being the immediate threat. You don't want to just try to, you want to neutralize the threat, to look directly at the threat, move toward the threat, you guys, because they have the best of their ability arranged for your death right there. Now this might seem rude and crude to talk about, but you know, it works over to the same thing about gas. And if you're not willing to walk, sometimes that's all you can do, is walk directly upwind. And you know, sometimes all you can do is directly address the threat. only option. When you're walking down that path, and again, this goes over to even to the thought line, when you're moving down that path and you look and you see something that seems to be a threat and you're the front of the team, you're the middle of the team, maybe that point guy walked right by it and you bear your weapon on it and start to move toward it. If it starts to light up the first thing you do is, now in kind don't you? Now, the other thought line here, it precludes that is, but if we're trying to move quietly through the land, you really don't want to do that. What is that called, Mark? Recon by Fire. Because, you guys, if something looks like a threat and it starts to move like a threat, it would be better to neutralize that threat before he starts to shoot you or your friendlies. See how that works, okay? Because, you know, we have this other thing, and it's way too many cowboy movies. And, you know, we're going to... there are a whole lot of things that are moved into us with cowboy movies. Like, we're going to stand right there in the window and the long gun's going to stick out through the window. I'm going to stand back in the room. And you're never going to see the muzzle of my gun leaning out of the window. At least I just have to lean right up and take that guy out who's just about to move in at the bottom of the building there and see where I'm going with that necessity. Make certain things happen. Sometimes you were pushed through particular places. But the cowboy thing about fairness too, you see the gun coming up to you. You see the gun coming up to your group of people moving. It would be best to shoot that gun before he shoots you or one of your people or starts to mow your people down. These are basics and these things that we talk about monsters in the world and we've had the simple relationship talk about. Well, I used to watch monster movies and all kinds of weird movies, you know, the chainsaw and the hack them up and beat them with all kinds of things, movies, so that I could figure out the way that people could kill people right up close so that I could say to myself, well, that's never going to happen to me and I've seen it and I can make that dodge on it. That time is beyond us. But if you do not sit and think that we have to think about what we will do if, and if you don't have a whole lot of cards, a whole lot of flash cards, and those were primitive computers like in the way early 60s, the computers that were like in your library at your grade school, these are the computers of the future. You have to be able to draw information and put something on the table so that, well, you don't just stand there being shot at. Hence, the aforementioned, you know, you're caught in that killing zone, you start to shoot back, you start to move directly toward. If you're moving through an area and something you perceive as a threat but still not showing itself to be a threat, at least you, you bring that to the attention of the man in front of you, the man behind you, and then you start to move directly toward it. to When it's talked, you look over there and by the time you realize the threat, the man who is 3 or 4 or 25 paces in front of you that has walked by it, he is in the body of the threat now. He is almost truly, he will be gone because he is in so much fire in the area that is the only, well dang we can't get the whole body in here but now they are aware. He gets a proportional, mis-proportional amount put on him and those around him because, well, the little people are a little bit farther down. They don't have anything to shoot at, but just back up a little way, see how that works. If you think that you're looking at something that is a threat and you're moving with a group of people, understand how imperative it is, how important it is, how life-threatening it is to, again, it's not just the people around you, it's you and the people, it's you. and the people around you because hey that guy that's bringing that gun up or you think that is that what I just saw that basic motion or did he just pull his head down a little farther and is that that did he pull his hand back that I really hear that click all of those things that pile up those dinky little doubts that need to be quenched immediately so that there is not serious immediate action done to here comes that phrase again you and yours I'll yield the floor. I'll be quiet. I just thought to continue that thought from the other day to a conclusion. Thank you very much. And I'll tie in with that again, something we've talked about, guys. Hollywood conditions us to things that are not correct. The basic role of sniper operations or marksmanship, engagement in urban environment, Amazing enough earplugs or something everybody does wear under most conditions because people would immediately say well Mark if you don't get that muzzle out of the room It's gonna make all kind of noise inside internally. Yep, probably But you know what? It's a whole hell of a lot harder to figure out where the round came from. It's a lot harder. There's no muzzle flash to observe. And even if there is, that can be reduced dramatically in a number of different ways. But you don't have something exposed and confirmable, especially if you're using what's called a double station window or channel or controlling of fire. This is where you're back in the room and may even be in a second doorway. a second room, a second chamber, and when you're firing your avenue of control, your area of control, the channel that you can see to control, is very specific. If it doesn't show up within that area of control, it's not yours to engage. Now, part of the reason you do this can be for random shooting actions to create confusion, especially in an urban area. The other is because you are working as part of an integrated series of marksmen. Now, Don, the best way to tie this in, guys, if you understand how non-direct integrated defense works, where you have, you know, the American policy for quite a few years is to dig in fighting positions, but you don't shoot to the front of your position. You actually control the front of your neighbor's position. What this does is prevent you from being directly engaged in action. It forces the the opponent the aggressor the assault force to actually can't their attack and create flanking shots or the opportunity to effectively engage if your integrated defense does what it's supposed to do When you when we set up a defense of this type each each position overlaps the other and these interlocking crossfires With what is not directly observable fire? In other words, if you're moving on your position, all I see is the berm. Now, it doesn't mean I can't step up or move and put myself over the berm and fire to my front. I can. And the reason I may do that is because, again, with an integrated defense, the position to my right or my left will identify that a threat is close and imminent to my position. If they can't engage it, because lack of ammunition, changing magazines, they are, for some reason, the shot just isn't made, then you may change and go to Direct Fire option. That's an example of using an indirect or oblique contact. When you have interlocking crossfires in an urban area like this, imagine it like a radar dish. Your radar control area is only the area that you can see down, but you have other interlocking areas that intercross and interconnect three-dimensionally in such a way that all areas are covered. And in fact, if a target is moving from one kill zone to the next, you even use the same type of communications that you would use from one fighting position to the next to inform an ally that you have something moving into your area of control from left to right, right to left, etc. It means you have to use your brain. But amazingly enough, when you combine brain with proper tactics, the word survivability comes up in online and becomes more and more a real issue. You actually have a pretty good chance of being able to get through the engagement, not the other side, while the other side receives casualty production with frustrating failure to be able to respond or even react. Reaction is most likely which would be random fires inappropriately placed and that means two things are happening number one you're frustrating the aggressor psychologically two you're consuming his mobile ammunition supply limiting his ability to stay on target. Both of those are critical factors in order for you to put force where it needs to be to destroy your enemy. Remember Probably the best example of this is the Fallujah campaign, the very early days before they shut everything off so you didn't see anything more about what was going on with Fallujah. In Desert Dust Part 2, the invasion so the Jews could steal everything and Iraq continues. When that happened... What is fascinating is again a marine company going into the edge of Fallujah, you might recall this video, one gunshot and the whole squad or platoon, depending on which video you're watching, just starts cooking up whatever they suspect to be the target. What we call reconnaissance by fire. The problem is is because they couldn't even get a direct location on the round because of the technique we're talking about again You don't move to fire on the target you let the target move into your kill zone Well one guy with a moist and they got with a round that probably cost half a penny for him to buy on the render revolution market in the Middle East Fired that nay got once And three magazines per man were consumed just hosing down the area. Now had that been a properly employed or if they wanted to exploit an ambush like that, a second, a third, and a fourth rifleman designated in different locations would have extracted more consumption out of the unit with virtually no real valuable or viable end result for the marine unit on the ground. On the other hand, if you had force of arms in place, the idea is, and of course the argument was that, well, then they're going to call an artillery and this and that and the other. There's an excellent video. Or, forgive me, actually, a write-up that was done on Henry's page by I think it's mountain gorilla forgive me, but I'm gonna have to try and find that again I don't have it right here in front of me, but it is definitely worth reading and I highly recommend it so much so that I Actually shared that with a few people today in the afternoon Now this basically addressed the whole fact that a fireteam a squad Can do a whole hell of a lot more and in fact do not have our have to have artillery or a tens etc in fact conventional forces, once you realize what your limitations are and what your potential is, can fight just as man has fought throughout history and effectively engage and destroy the aggressor. Or again, making the choice to make contact at your choosing, not theirs. Okay? There's a lot of discussion in there that's especially critical. And it talks about the ways of engagement, but also the reasons. We're looking at a situation where, let's think about Lexington and Concord. And really some of the stuff that we're talking about here that Don's brought up, Ty's read it, you know, with this virtually sedgways perfectly. At a given point, everybody was being reasonable. The units deployed at Lexington, but did not have the intention of making first contact. However, Once the confirmation of Lexington, once Lexington had taken place, the attack and the affront to the Patriot Movement was already there. So the next issue is in what form or how would the next militia force make contact with and engage the British, engage the regulars. Do you wait and sit until they come up on your position as is pointed out in the article, wait until they're in your front yard? Or if you have the ability and then you may not escape, you may have to be forced to make contact, but you're making contact partially under their terms. You don't necessarily want to do that. Even though you may control the defensive position. If you know they're down the road and you know there's already been shots fired, any column, any formation, anything in motion is now free target, kids. It's free game. All bets are off, all options are out the window as far as discussion goes. If they're sending a column of black sedans out or black suburban or whatever, firing their arse up, way before they get to a position where they're going to make contact with anybody, is logical. Right. Why should that be a debate? Exactly. So with that being the case, then the next step is understanding how with limiting, you know, in other words, it's called economy and force. Minimal energy exerted for maximum end result. Now, as was pointed out, this is a perfect subject. This article is excellent. You need to scroll back into Henry's page and find this. But one of the things that it brings up is the idea that this buys time if nothing else. Let's say that you have a larger force and you don't want to make contact. Well, an aggressive offensive element, a minimal force strength element, can pin down any number of men dependent upon how motivated and how well coordinated and trained those men choose to be that are going to be the advanced contact group. Now, this means training now. This means equipping properly. This means knowing the potential of your weapons, reaching the maximum ranges possible. Consider, and this is just in the last several days, guys, one guy with an 870 shotgun, whether you think he's crazy in the head, manipulated by somebody that doesn't mean he isn't, their argument is that a 12-gauge shotgun shut down a 3,000-man military facility. It was one of the most highly secured in the country. That's their argument, not mine. That it also tied up how many different secret policing agencies, how many thousands of personnel, Tied up and blocked up or shut down how much of a road grid 1 8 70 shotgun With if you watch the video and believe that that's the whole thing that was going on basically some you bang eat with a Pump shotgun that was cut down to you know, basically scatter gun length rather than for you know accuracy So we're not even talking a superior superiority weapon guys. We're talking a bank robbers gun. Okay? Basically the way to describe it. So now does it cut down 870 wasn't it? You know they finally you got a chance if we believe the image look at the picture we see there One gun of that type tied up how many troops now? Imagine a squad of well-trained well-disciplined individuals Motivated to neutralize a target or to perform a particular mission dynamic changes completely In fact, it's quantitative. Just think about how many fold the ability of that formation is with a team rather than a bunch of individuals. A bunch of individuals going on would be phenomenal, but a team is the key. And that, combined with the ideas we're talking about, totally changes the dynamic of any action you want to get involved in. Go ahead, caller, who do we have? Oh, this is me, Peter. I just want to make a quick comment on the whole IRAC. the platoon situation that you brought up. One of the most common sayings and became kind of a running joke is, where did that round come from? Where did that bullet come from? The Iraqis were always, you know, we were constantly under some kind of fire, but it was not very accurate. And I think, you know, the difference between Iraqis And Americans, number one, the American rifleman is something that's a tried and true tradition. And our guys go out on a regular basis, take down beer at 200, 300, or be even 500, 600 yards. I think there is a huge difference. And I think you're absolutely spot on. Cheechick sniping, whatever the counter sniping, uh... positions or is it and i also would like to point out the guys that learned a lot of the hard lessons in iraq specifically all disappearing from the military they're all counter being forced out of most of them that bought in you know the soon triangle are now out so it that you're going to get a lot of political pressure ups the new panty the one that one up that they try to hide under a desk they lay down when they receive fire. So that is an argument. Just wanted to point that out. Exactly, one of the things I would say right from the beginning, remember, that kid with that nagot rifle, and I guarantee it's probably what he had, he could have hit a Mauser, in Iraq they had a little bit of everything. But no matter how you look at it, one round fired for a penny, expended how many mags for each of those individuals trying desperately to put cover fire down range, just to guess where they were. That means that that's three magazines he didn't have, if again another contact was made like that, and yet another while they're moving deeper into an area that is question marked with regard to who controls it. Now, if somebody with that 10 man squad or 12 man squad then makes contact, they're on a fresh cycle with no consumption having taken place. That unit that's been spraying and praying is now down to minimal combat force potential and has to extract itself or call in for desperation support. Now the bad part is just exactly the next step. In this country, if you go up against one rifleman, he's not going to miss anybody. Every time you hear a kaboom, if I were shooting, like I said, if I see a leg, if I see a body part, especially one that's got a big chunk attached to it, like an upper leg, I would take that shot over other shots that might be more devastating as far as being killed. And the reason is, you blow that guy, you know, into chunks and he's screaming and everybody else has got to worry about being the next one. If all we see is a barrel of a rifle and we recognize a barrel of a rifle, we can pretty much estimate where the person standing behind that wall and that wall is not going to stop bullets like it does in Hollywood. Right, exactly, especially clapboard, pine board or whatever. So that's one of the parts of the formula here is one rifleman. This is just the, again, it can be the halting element or it can simply be a progressive attrition unit. That's what teams of snipers actually are supposed to do is progressive systematic attrition. And imagine that tenfold in a situation where if you map it outright, each team actually has an overlapping element that it's abandoning from that position, where there's another group that's already in place. So even as the unit that exposes itself falls back, a second formation, a third group or team, a fifth group or team, a seventh group or team, actually use that same area of kill zones or that same designated series of accesses, approaches, whatever to continue the engagement. And the frustration is that the ranges may even double or triple, but the potential for damage stays the same. Which is really something that they that they don't even want anybody to think about they've got to keep the other side puffed up about they're just going to be into a cakewalk It's going to be real easy blah blah blah blah blah well of course I mean they and they'll be home by Christmas to untop everything else that'll be the other one you know cakewalk at home by Christmas Maybe not this Christmas. Oh, well. We lied not the next Christmas. Oh, well not the fourth Christmas out Some of them never get to see another Christmas and don't even make it to the first one they were promised. Uh oh. That's right, and that would be the plan. So there's an article, forgive me, I'm trying to find it here. And why I can't, it's in the scroll for Henry's programming here, on Henry's page, From the Trenches World Report. It may be back on the first page, I'm just missing it for whatever reason. Anyway, something else real quick. There was a piece there on O.J. Simpson, this is a lighter note thing, but Guys, they made a story out of this and I'm going to tell you, this happens every day hundreds of times. Convicted armed robber O.J. Simpson caught red-handed and stole cookies from prison cafeteria. Let me ask you something. How do you think I got spices to make pizza with loaves of bread and ketchup? How do you think I made the fake pizza sauce? What do you think we used to make that? Where do you think we got the stuff from? What do you think I got the mozzarella cheese we couldn't buy? The kitchen people are... Well, wait a minute. Let's think this through. A lot of the people that are in prison are thieves. We then put them in the kitchen. Why would you think that anything would change? Why do you think that the stewart locks everything up? Okay, so when I read this it's like oh you don't notice like coming back from a kitchen in a prison when you're coming back if the guards have to look like they're doing something. They all know that everybody's carrying something back. Now prison rules change. Some prison rules say you can have what's called the fruit of the day. No, I don't mean that queer that's hanging around front called Ladybug. Okay, we're talking fruit as in fresh fruit. No, not the other queer that just came in called Doodlebug. We're talking bananas, oranges, carrots, things like that. You know, stuff like that. If they give you something that's a fruit, you can bring that back and you can carry it out in the open. But, uh, manufactured foods, it's a no-no, even though you can buy stuff off the commissary and you open it up and it's just as likely to be a bug collector as anything else. But they don't want you to bring the fresh food back, the cooked food, processed food back, because it could cause a problem later. All that is, is an excuse to harass people. For every O.J. Simpson that had what? I think they said he had like a dozen cookies and he had a goofy grin on his face while they're taking the cookies out of his shirt one at a time. Well guys, this happens every day. If there's 900 people on a compound that come back from the kitchen, there will be 40 of them stopped and of the 40, 39 of them will have something that the guards will have them throw in the wastebasket or they'll drop it on the ground for drama. And you know, to show everybody else, look, we caught this guy. You should be paranoid. Don't you take a cookie either. Take a cookie. He's carrying two pounds of cheese. It's like, what the hell? The cookies are the least of the worries. Sometimes I think actually they did this. He was one guy running her fair and she would be obvious. He'd be chewing on a cookie and then put in his pocket. And the guard would grab him while the guy that's going by with the two pounds of cheese, the oregano and a steak. And it's probably why OJ Simpson had that stupid smile on his face. He goes, you got me but you didn't get my friend. You got me today. You got my cookies but I'm eating steak tonight. They throw it on the ground to play acting like it's a dangerous contraband. They're doing that to prove that it's worth taking from you but it's not worth actually eating. They intentionally will throw it out or they either have you throw it out, they have these for searcher pockets, they're careful, they're not really too aggressive. But they'll search your pockets and they'll throw it out. Come on. And then they could write you up, but typically all they're doing is to show that they're doing their job. It's a game because half the time they won't bother anybody. Then all of a sudden out of the blue they'll stop every person coming back. And of course their logic is if you wait, everybody on our side gets sloppy. And so someone's going to come back with chipmunk cheeks. Two pounds of lasagna, a pocket full of cookies, and all the trimmings to make salad tonight, that kind of thing. And it happens. That's exactly how it works. So when I read that, it's like, well, that's every day. That was just for the sake of making a comment about him. And like you said, again, if he's got a goofy smile on his face, he knows tonight they're having steak back in the cell. You might have got my oatmeal cookies, but I got the three pounds of prime rib back there. It was supposed to go to the guard shack. You know, that kind of thing. I was the decoy. Yeah, exactly. And you got my 12 cookies. Oh, well, they were yours anyway. See, that's the other thing. It's state-owned cookies. We really don't care, you know? One more thing, on that note, if you need butter, the butter comes pre-served, typically it's pre-sorted and you only get so many pieces of butter. Well, not everybody wants their margarine, but if you need margarine to cook and you're doing prison cooking or if you're doing what we do in the field, combat cooking, greases, like what BK brought up on Quartermaster Friday, you need oils or you need stuff to cook stuff with, guys. Well, you don't buy that in the system, but if you get the margarine, You've got that to use to, for instance, do the pan or whatever you fake out to make as a pan to use in the microwave so the stuff doesn't stick, that kind of thing. So you get everybody else to carry back their margarine, which the guards usually at first were kind of like, what the hell is this? Why would you want that back? And there's other people the same thing. They couldn't figure out when I was making these pizzas. Well, what do you want the margarine for? Don't worry. You'll find out. This is like, probably, this is a little gross, but probably Doodlebug wants it too. Yeah, Doodlebug wants it for a different reason, but don't worry. You know, actually he pays top quality for cocoa butter. Go ahead, we got George here. What do you got? Well, Mark, you know, my cousin Robert's in prison in northern Florida and I just found out, I sent him a whole bunch of books, he gave me a list, I want to... The bookstore bought them books and only to find out the prison sent them back because they got to be paperback They can't be hard cover hard cover because they can be smuggled in but also if you typically you can even get hard cover in if it depends on the prison system You can have any book sent brand new from the publisher or from a supplier. It doesn't have to be the publisher It can be a book, you know clearinghouse Typically those will go right to the bunk Although, here's what's weird, I was in maximum facilities, I had used books come straight to me. Where if you're in a lower level, less secured complex, they were totally anal retentive about anything like that or hardcover books. in the upper tiers, no, it was bizarre. In fact, I got more material to help people with law and to help with the straw man and multiple copies, not just one. I had you guys out there listening, some of you know because you sent the books. They'd show up right on the bed, no restriction, right there, used, new or whatever. And those were all things that were used to arm our people up that we were teaching and people that were willing to learn. And that cost the state a lot of money. I'm here to tell you. Well, the prison guard said those hardcover books could be used as a weapon. Well, that too actually used for armor. Where they're really nice is if you know you're going into a fight, you take either magazines. Or you take books and you take your extra pair of long johns and use them like a cinch, like a cummerbund. And to protect your kidneys from being stabbed and to protect your abdomen from being sliced, the hardbound books are your best choice, but the magazines will do the same thing. One guy used newspapers. They tried to stab him about 40-some times. They got so frustrated. It was during one of the fights over on the Blue Water Highway over there in Ionia. What he did is he was an old guy. He was from the Jackson behind the wall crew. They were fighting with the Ionia behind the wall crew when I was there. What he did is he wrapped his body in newspapers. But he'd done that for years and he always ordered the Wall Street Journal and that's a thick butt paper, guys. Well, he always had copies in the cell. Well, when they were going out to the yard, they tried to ambush all the white prisoners in the walk area between the public area and the yard. And it was about three to one in the fight that we were in. And the one thing he kept stabbing him, they sliced him with a chip, trying to belly slice and rip him open from the front. Well, he had about three Wall Street Journals in front of him to go through. So it didn't work. And he didn't try climbing the fence either, which is what a bunch of other guys did who were stabbed pretty badly. Every morning was a corpse at that facility. Go ahead. Is that true, Mark? Well, you can break it down as far as you want, but I don't think it's really necessary because although you do want to, you know, again, if you're picking an LZ, you try to be as specific as you can, nobody was dialing anything up, so the guy on the other end is working with the same map you are. Back in that period of time you you did have some satellite guidance but almost all of it was either photo interpretation or it was map reading and Once you get into the area of operation your ground controller whoever is designated you'll pay attention Look at all the movies look at all the still videos go to a search on YouTube. You'll see what I'm talking about Each chopper had a ground control officer a ground control person. He could be a private sergeant whatever and His job was to steer you in in that last quarter mile If not half mile to a mile. is if you're dropping in through triple canopy. That's one of the situations where we don't see that here, but there's no place to land. They drop a lanyard. They drop a rope or they drop a buoy pickup where you've got like a, they actually like they do on the Chinooks, it's actually a perpetual chain. Where you literally, it's like a conveyor belt. One end is on a ratchet, the other end is loose. But you usually secure it with two men controlling it to maintain tension. And then all you do is grab, hold the thing and it pulls you up. It takes you up. But make sure you let go or it pulls you right through whatever's pulling you up and takes you right back down. So there's a number of techniques you've seen where they do the quick evac where they they'll actually put you know stable hook a guy up You know you have a stable rig or you can do with casualties with a basket They'll drop in the canopy that you hook them up you give them a signal and they go straight up with a guy and they don't even tell him in there or they really mean progressively over while they're flying, but they don't stop One thing I learned when I was date one of my other medics We've called in a medevac and one thing about star clusters is It's like be careful where you put them because the star cluster did take down a Huey. Well anything will take down a helicopter. The whole point is that first of all know your wind shift. You're supposed to be, if you're on the ground, you're supposed to be paying attention to wind drift to begin with wind direction. That is actually going to determine how you steer the chopper in in the first place because crosswind is not a positive situation. The other thing is, if the winds are shifting and high, the probability of the helicopter being able to land in rough terrain is not likely or not as conducive to good health. So choosing another location based upon wind conditions is an issue. We either take advantage of the back leg of a tree line or a ridge or something like that to bring the helicopter down to where it has a more stable landing condition. But if the flares you're supposed to be paying attention in the first place. There's a number of different tricks. You know the old sand, the bubble, balloon. They did short format weather balloons. and with a flitter flag on them, there's all kinds of techniques. At night, the new one is LEDs, of course, for everything. Back during Desert Dust 1, they were using LEDs on balloons with little flitter flags. They also were using A-10s for air traffic control to the ground, even with rotary wing aircraft. Using a colored lighting system, but no radio. Well, we just use like a P-E-R-E-R-E-S-H-E-N-T-A-P-E-U-S-E as a streamer to determine the direction of the wind because the pilots want to take off and land with going against the wind. Right. It's like an aircraft carrier. You're getting more lift. You're going to try to take advantage of anything you can to reduce fuel and increase lift. Reduce fuel consumption and increase lift. That's the plan. Well, also for the helicopter, have a little drag so they can land. Right. Well, that's where when he's bringing in the brake, when he's again, he's going to try to make it as stable as possible, coming in especially, lifting out. He's got a lot of dynamic options and typically if he's doing a power out, the biggest thing is making sure his area of operation is as clear as possible of obstructions, wires, trees, that kind of thing. I've got to say, we learn a lot about Huey's. It's more like, like I said, when we approach the Huey, we wait for the power of the signal, we come in at a 45 degree angle, and we leave at a 45 degree angle, and don't walk into the tail rotor. Yeah, Mr. Tail rotor is not your friend. Remember that. Oh man, he's a lot shorter, and he doesn't have an arm. Well, the big thing here again when we're looking at mapping, in fact, as long as you brought that up again, guys, I want to remind everybody, dealextreme.com, they've got cheap compasses. If you have a 5.10 program, if you're listening to me right now and you've set up a quarter master system, buy a pile of these cheap, cheap compasses. That way, no matter what, everybody has something because everybody's going, I can't afford a lens set at Compass for every person. Well, you can buy cheaper lens setics from DealXtreme, they're a China support. for about three dollars a piece but you can buy the little nov compasses for even less and buy a big pile of them a compass to get everybody up to certain level of performance A compass is better than nothing and once you've got those in place they can go into your stockpile into your reserves. If you upgrade to a you know maybe a cent save a few dollars now you can buy a dozen or say six or ten of the $4 or $3 linzatic compasses. Well you don't throw away little nib compasses I'd leave those in there and that way you got a backup in the basic 5-10 kit if it's five people you need five compasses put two per person in there. Two of the little ones then put one of the linzatics in there with it. If you can't afford anything else, just put those little nub compasses in there to begin with. They're about the size of your thumb, about the size of your thumb, they're a little bigger. They're so cheap, you get like what, a dozen, some of it, it depends. There's so many combos. Look at DealXtreme, go to their compasses, pick something out where you get the most for the least. and grab a bundle of those. It's two or three dollars for like fifteen or twenty or sixteen or whatever it is and there's a whole bunch of different combos. Whatever you want to spend money on, go ahead and do it. But I would get some of the cheap ones right away. You can often get similar deals on flea bay and the shipping will be a lot quicker. Yeah. Well, remember, deal extreme is shipping included with everything. That's the only cool thing. So if it's cheap, it's cheap. Either way is good. And there are some nicer buys, like you said, with eBay. So that is a solution. That's one of the other directions you can go without, you know, again, you're not hocking the first born son to try and get your people outfitted and equipped. Go ahead, callers. Mark, I got one more thing. I heard about acorns could be working for Obamacare to try to get our personal data going door to door. You know what the Sheriff's Department told me about when I deal with those people? You know what they told me to do? Just tell them to get off your property. You have nothing to say. Get off your property. Because basically, I found out feds are not even designated as peace officers in Texas law. All right, well it depends on each state's different with regard to their attitude because of lack of cooperation, not just co-operation. Mostly it's lack of cooperation. And that's why each state, and now we're seeing counties starting to do this in counties, sheriffs have the ability to do this just like the state does. They don't have to wait for state permission. If they're saying, you know, I'm just going to rescind the Fed's authority to operate in my county, He can do that. They don't want anybody to know that and they've been using Hollywood to try and brain-screw everybody to condition them to go in the other direction, but nothing can be further from the truth. The sheriffs have completely the ability to neutralize all of these foreign agents of a foreign power operating from outside the United States and then working through color of law through the corporation of the United States out of the district of criminals. Well, I also called my Congressman, Wendy Revers' office, and I said, if the NSA is listening, listen to this. And I gave him my name, and I said, I am not going to be complying with Obamacare. I'm not buying no health insurance. I basically said, I'm not going to buy it. I said, because morally I'm obligated to take care of my children and my family first before satisfying some power-hungry bureaucrat. That's all I said. I made sure NSA heard it if they were listening. Basically, I think everybody needs to do that. Well, the way it's looking, I think everybody's realizing we're at the end of the run on whatever's going to happen with the Communists here as far as them either having to go crazy, going into red terror mode, or the deal's off with a lot of the BS they thought they were going to plug in. Now, I think that more important than the Obama care right now is the fact that Kerry signed the declaration of war against the American people here yesterday. The declaration that the United Nations gun ban is in effect through the State Department, remember those horrors are supposed to be working for us. But in reality, it's like the cart before the horse. We've got these horrors out there signing these documents as individuals and under no circumstances do they have the authority to do so at this time because the Senate in no way, shape or form is approving any of it. Now, that tells me that the commander in chife, you know, the leadless fearer, you know, Barry Satoro, that pig is going to figure out, you know, he's going to try and push it through, he'll legitimately figure out that he's going to tell everybody he can do it without any of the traditional constitutional constraints and then go for the gusto. It's in his eyes. You can see the way they're shucking and jiving and laughing about this, that they've already been told, you know, that they've got to go for it. Now they may be crazy loon laughing but they'll be laughing out of the side of their face here pretty soon because people are just going to be playing fed up with them across the board. Well, we could just crown Obama king nothing. Oh, he's not relevant to us for all practical purposes except that, I mean, again, he's not a traitor. If he was an American, he'd be a traitor. He is a foreign national working as a foreign agent for an unregistered foreign power that is waging war against the American people. As long as we understand that, example, who would I blame for a lot of this? I think we need to execute everybody in the Ford Foundation. If you want to know, we need to start dealing with the actual instruments and mechanisms that have caused our problems here. and the Ford Foundation, everybody in it needs to be hunted down, properly tried, and dealt with accordingly. Most of them are from the United States. Not all of them, a lot of them are dual citizenship whores, but there's a whole bunch that have already, they're the ones that told Carrie to do this. They're the ones that told the Meat Puppet to do this. The kosher mafia out of Chicago, the Shysters out of New York, the Bloomberg types, the Coens, those characters, Ram Emmanueles. They're the ones who are pushing this whole UN thing against us. Now if we were told the Israelis, you know, we want all your nukes and all your chemical weapons because they're illegitimate, yo, you can, oh yo, you're anti-semantic, why, how could you do this? You see, so there's not going to be any equity. The objective is to try and get us to cow down his slaves. So while the medical thing is to kill us off, we can get around that. There's enough doctors that are PO'd that have stepped away. We already have a lot of Patriot doctors. We have more now. And they will treat you and they won't fill out any forms and you'll pay them how you choose. Eventually they're going to attack them because they're going to realize that we're still getting the medical care and we're getting better people than the ones that the shysters kept. Mark, I know one doctor who said how he's going to do his medical care. He's going to disguise himself as Joe's carpet cleaning company doing house calls. Well, a lot of, we've got a lot of men, they can't do anything to a doctor right now if he doesn't stay in the system and if he doesn't take their money. See, this is the problem, this is like, let's back up on this. Obamacare is only going to work if everybody becomes a whore to the Fed. Example, the Tea Party could only work if they could become 501c3 whores and get their 501c3 status, but they couldn't figure out how to run an office or run for an office if they didn't have their tax-free status. What's wrong with this picture? See, the complaint from the Tea Party people, and it was a right complaint, is that yes, they were singled out by the whores, you know, the leftists in the system. But let's remember that the idiots figured that if they didn't get their 501c3 status, they wouldn't know how to run a candidate. And we've already shown and pointed out, guys, that our grassroots successes have always been and were always without the institution and without locking in or joining HIP, you know, getting joined at the HIP, screwed in the hours, by the shysters by getting into contract with them. In fact, when we beat the committee of the states when they tried to push the con con on us in the 90s, remember they stated that they were sure we'd spent $45 million to up to maybe $70 million in Florida in campaign money and organizations to stop them in Florida the way that we did. Just in Florida. Yeah, just in Florida. Guys, we didn't have that money. It was all people. They calculated it and this is why I tell you about your strength. They calculated that based upon the end result and how badly we beat them. There was no single tax-free, you know, tea party, spin-off of the Republic Rat party run by the kosher mafia that they could flag or ID. That's why we were successful. Because they didn't have the institutional mechanisms they could infiltrate, spy on, and then muck up. Because we did this independently, we beat the snot out of them. They didn't even know where the hit came from. And they had no clue what was done. Yes, we are. Before we go, jump in there, Jirv, what? You know, the thing is, about the 5-1-C-3 and the church is whatever organization, you know, when you get a donation, you get a tax deductible receipt. How do you think they get their list with that tax bill? Exactly how to use the proper tools in the right place. We did exactly that politically. Now we're going to have to do it militarily. Be ready for that guys. Don your number for night vision please. God bless the republic. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the Empire is on the run. But we are on the mark of both day and night.