Mark Koernke discussed shotgun preparedness and reliability, focusing extensively on the Remington 870 as a dependable utility weapon and comparing it to other shotgun models like the Mossberg 500 and Ithaca Model 37. He addressed the September 2013 Washington Navy Yard shooting, arguing it was allowed to occur due to response teams being called off and connecting it to patterns seen in the Oklahoma City bombing. Koernke covered shotgun reloading techniques, ammunition conservation strategies, and defensive tactics including targeting strategies and body armor considerations. Callers contributed observations about Homeland Security MRAP convoys in Oklahoma and questions about .410 shotguns, which Koernke recommended for ammunition stockpiling due to increased demand from new weapons on the market.
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As a matter of fact, Schwarzenegger did, uh, the Spasco shotgun was brand new. It was in, you know, it was one of those neat guns that the answer, we used to joke that the Spas was the answer to a question that was never asked. How grossly over complicated can you make a shotgun? In other words, I don't need a pump semi-auto. I need either a pump or a semi-auto. But I didn't need to combine it. Now the spas worked, but if you had a problem, it had a major problem. On the other hand, the H70 in 1981, 82, 83, 84, 85, 92, 93, 94, 2003, 2004, wait a minute, I can go back to 63. and 7374-75. 870 shotgun is one of the most reliable shotguns on the planet and case in point, you've seen it in a million different events, activities, etc., because of its reliability. It's been made, now we're past the 870 in production, there are other guns, they're not truly an improvement to make. Also, changing up of parts has taken place with the Remingtons, so newer Remingtons, there are benchmarks, do a little history, know that the older Remingtons typically were better built because there's more machining processes and less stamping involved. Or, infusion casting. Infusion casting has been implemented in place of billet machining. Now, Billick machine, while you take a solid piece of metal and say somewhere in there is the design, all I do, like the stone sculptures, is I need to take the metal away because the design is there in the metal. Like the stone sculptures saying all I had to do was cut the stone away, the image was always there. Well, with a solid block of metal, what they do is they bring it down to what design they want. It's much stronger in general, and typically so. The infusion cast 870s work just fine and seem to be holding up, so it's a personal choice, but if you can buy a little bit older 870 that's done from one block of metal the way they always did, there used to be propaganda films done for all these companies to show what they do, and you'll see the processes in the older machining of pieces that were done showing Remington building from scratch its weapons. Now the newer process of infusion casting means that the receiver is most of the way there and finish. Final finish is what is being done to surface areas, etc. and that's done with grinding and polishing. Now the 870, either way, the basic design has not changed and it in fact is almost idiot proof. There's only one thing so inane, so strange to happen with an 870, that the word very, very, very unlikely is in the inventory. But people have critiqued the 870 for decades. And because of that, we've looked at it and looked at it, and what could possibly go wrong? Well, 870 is a very reliable weapon. Am I harping on this gun? Well, no, actually, I'm just reinforcing what everybody else in the industry, and especially in the preparedness industry, has understood for years. If you have an 870 shotgun, remember guns are for buying, not for selling. If grandpa passes on to you an 870, you keep it. Number one, it's an heirloom within your family. It should be maintained, should be cleaned, kept secure, and then kept and passed on to the next generation after this war, okay? It could be a priceless utility tool that keeps you alive. The 870 is a fine shotgun in whatever gauge it was produced in. Now, I'm gonna warn ya. Don't assume it's a 12 gauge because there were four ten twenty gauge 16 gauge 28 gauge and many others 12 gauge of course 870 is produced the 870 has been used for everything from a field gun to a trap and ski gun as I mentioned the last hour Oh No little girl That's just crazy. Mary Satoro would never say that he needs to get your gun out of your hand except he just did we all know that he's because So anyway, that 870 and its whatever configuration is a fine shotgun. Needless to say, there is more money spent in tuning certain guns up. The neat thing is, you can pop a barrel off, put a barrel on. The 870 is a quick change barrel design. It is a very efficient design. Yes, you can also extend the magazine tube with most models. Whether or not that's re-essential is a purely matter of space and what kind of work you're going to do with a gun. The basic model out of the box is just to find the way it is. I can't stress that enough so that we can minimize complication. We know that from the factory it works. We know that in your hands with sufficient training, you know, practice, practice, practice, the 870 will serve you well, put bunnies down, deer down and two-legged black uniform moose. Nauseous regularity with, you know, guaranteed consistency. In other words, it is a fine weapon. So, qualifying that, don't let anybody convince you that you need to sell your 870s or you know, oh, there's a better shotgun, no. There are other shotguns out there. Now, in the same breath, I'm gonna tell everybody out there, no, if you have a model, if you have a model 500 Mosberg, it's a good gun, it will serve you well, it has been around for a long time, don't you think about selling any gun you've got? You throw me a Stevens model 66 and I'll make it sing that's an old shotgun guys There's a lot of 66's and 67's are they hailed out there as the ultimate 12 gauge? No, they're not or 16 gauge or 20 gauge or 410 No, but you know what they've killed a lot of bunnies. They've killed God knows how many deer They've defended homes for years and they'll work just fine But the 870 is on the top of the list if you were going out and you were to buy something right now the 870 would be your first choice, but Remember that the Mavericks and the Mosbergs and other guns came out at about half the price. So the other issue is, well, how much money do I have? And again, there's a balance of, am I a connoisseur of the finer things in life, etc. Whatever you come up with is an excuse. You may decide to spend more and buy the Remington. Maybe you're lucky and you get to a yard sale and somebody else's grandpa and you find an 870 for $150 to $200, buy it. I would say also you see an Ithaca Model 37 there. Buy it. Somebody selling a shotgun for $150 or $100 at the yard sale and oh it's grandpa's collection. Buy it. But it's an older gun Mark, it's got a bird barrel. Buy it. Model 870s with bird barrels can be changed out. The Model 37s can't. They're fixed barrel but I'll tell you what, buy it. The Model 37 is a fine shotgun. It's a poor man's submachine gun. It has its own special niche in the world of guns because you hold back the trigger and fan the action and the Model 37 will fire boom boom boom boom boom boom. As quick as you can slam fire the gun, you will have yourself five 12 gauge shells downrange, five watts, will be peppering that hallway guaranteed. You lean into the gun bend the hip a little bit and focus on the targets and it's amazing just how quickly you can put a whole bunch of targets down. That's why the Model 37 is seen mostly in cut down form. The only reason that you're seeing more 870s now, cut down for all the Hollywood props, the Model 37s have become pricier and pricier and have gone up because they're not being made anymore for all practical purposes. And again, the 37, lightweight, got a little more punch in the recoil area when it comes to pulling the trigger. Understand that, you know, recoil pads can be added, etc. Also got to consider the size of the shooter 12 gauge may not be the first choice right off the bat for those younger shooters Hey, they make eight seventies in 20 gauge and you'll find about their ladies a lot of you probably already have them a lot of girls like in fact You couldn't pry out of their hands that 870 20 gauge they've been shooting since they were a teenager the way it works. Again, once you've got it established, and you know what, it's muscle memory, it's that weapon that has fed your family for years, it's that weapon that has gotten that deer every year. One neat thing about those, again, where you can pop a barrel off, you can get a combo gun. You can take an 870, put an iron sight slug barrel on that gun and be killing deer. You can take that slug barrel off, put a bird barrel on and you can go after those part groups that are out there in the plains. You can go after that bunny that thinks he was a little faster than you were. Yeah, sometimes he is, isn't he? We all know that. Sometimes West Kewabit, he doesn't get away and you eat the Hossampefa. That's how it works. Yeah, tasty Hossampefa. So anyway, again, these are utility guns. The bad guys hate them. Joe Biden's disappeared from the picture. By the way, I will say again, You'll notice that, well, Darth Sidious, Darth Maul, Darth, oh, he can't be Darth Maul, he doesn't have the red back, although he might have horns, we don't know where, I don't care. You'll notice that the guy who was staring at the back of Barry Sarturo's head constantly, whenever they show a picture of Sarturo, you always have Darth Biden behind him staring at his back, he was told to do by the manipulators, remember, stare at the back of his head, our tentacle is up his arse, you will give us additional brain energy, staring at the back of his head. Well Biden's missing when they when he said well the shotgun is evil. Well I don't know if Biden's missing because well but wait a minute Mr. Biden told me to buy a shotgun and stand out of the front porch and pull a couple rounds off and try and scare them. Those people are dead now because they follow Biden's instruction the cops pulled up killed the dog killed the guy in the front yard they didn't care about the criminals who were breaking into the house the guy chased away They don't care about that. They got a gun owner and a property owner. They're going to get to steal property owner's guns. Cops will divide them up, take them home, steal the ammo, steal other goodies too. So Joe Biden is kind of missing from the picture because they're showing the strength of Barry Sartoro. You know, old bummer, you know, Mr. Hussein? Hussein. Who's saying what do you want? Oh, I want the guns! My overlord Jewish masters out of Chicago said, if we are going to take the rest of America's property, we must take the guns. I like them. Yeah, you know, Hussein Sittaro? Insane Sittaro? Let's not forget that name that they made such a point. Any other time he made such a point of making sure that... So anyway, do we have a caller? I thought I heard a ring and I don't want to leave anybody else. Do we have a caller? 888-747-1968, if you do want to call in. Right ahead sir, jump in there please. Hey Mark, yesterday on the 24th, approximately at 5 PM, saw five semi-troats with flatbeds. On each flatbed there were two black Homeland Security MRAP vehicles, Homeland Security flash, police flash rescue painted on the sides. He was on I-44 heading north and on the overpass in front of him they were going eastbound on I-40 in Oklahoma City. They could have, he saw them going eastbound, they came up to another junction in Oklahoma City so they could have went and saw him going straight east on I-40. But he saw in Semai, he said approximately Semai. So they're keeping him in tight convoy. Normally it would be spread a little bit more by about four lengths. And, you know, it would be reduced during retail, but they're operating in close convoy and keeping everything together. If they've got a cluster of them like that, yep, we need, let's see, 10 special rescue vehicles. That's what they are. They're rescue vehicle, my Rs. I would love that, that part of that. We've got to put a smiley face on this big turd, sir. How do we do it? I know, I know, Fred. We'll put rescue on every one of them. What are they doing? Well, they're rescuing the kosher bankers so that they can steal the rest of the garbage in America. They're rescuing the bankers from impoverished. Wait a minute, how would they be impoverished? Everything got all the digits? Isn't that amazing? Oh yeah, we've got to rescue the system. Well, here's a question too. Again, everybody has seen what's going on. What's the general feel that you're getting from people you talk to in your area about what happened in Washington? The shooting or the... Everybody hates Washington. But yeah, the shooting as far as like, you know, they, well, do we all need to surrender our shotguns now? Well, the people I talk to, I mean, you know, we're all, I mean, so far the people I talk to, I've let them know on this site is probably a space event or another Prozac shooter like it usually is, which it's pretty much, you know, in the nowadays or pretty much. And always in controlled sites that they manipulate. One of the interesting things about this too, As I pointed out, we now have congressmen coming forward and everybody goes, well, what do you know? It's real easy. You're looking at a tight knit society, which is a clique that is isolated from all the rest of you and me. Right there in Oklahoma, where you are, okay? The Oklahoma City bombing, five weeks beforehand. We announced this on the air. And I will reinforce this, guys. We have it in our archives. I have sent copies of the document out. Inside the Murrah Building, the judges there, in fact, wrote an official letter to the federal government demanding five bomb classes in the Murrah Building cease and desist immediately. Now this was an official document available in Oklahoma, available at the federal level, coming out of the courts that were in the Murrah Building proper. Now everybody's saying, well how did they know? It's real easy. You're in a closed government box. They have cafeterias. They have break rooms. Somebody sees somebody and the feds that were doing this were laughing up how they were playing with their toys. They caught them in the stairwells drilling holes in the walls. This is a documented fact. These were all statements that were put into official court record by the judges five weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing. Now, we've got congressmen that are coming forward saying that for this shooting, this latest Prozac shooter, special response team, which of course they have them all probably peppered all over the city. There's not just one. There's not just one four man team. Guys, these are reaction sticks that are like in their own little coffee house. Their job, like firemen, is to be up, out, and on the road immediately, and they have an area of control. Each area of control is designated based upon the road network and access. So what happened is this. What the Congressman is saying is that with this Washington shooting, that reaction stick, which would have been there immediately, would have gone in. They all knew who they were. So anybody that wasn't them that's around there shooting secretaries gets shot. They were called off. They were the first thing that was called off. In other words, whoever did this, somebody had to have a great deal of power to call off that reaction step. And this is part of what is an SOP, Standard Operating Procedure, in response based upon this kind of attack. There is no possibility that a peon could have called them off. This had to come from the executive branch and there is no doubt what everybody is acknowledging as it came from the White House. So there's the reality of this latest shooting. But it's no different from what we saw with the Oklahoma City bombing. Everybody in advance, all kinds of flares went up. The survivors know this because everybody in the Murr Building was talking about what the ATF and FBI were doing. It's the same, again, it's a closed community. Guys, there's only so many floors. There's only so many people in the building. You go to work every day. Hi, Ralph. Hi, Fred. Like the Bugs Bunny cartoon. Remember with the coyote and the sheepdog? And they all punch the same clock? It's the same thing with any of these closed society sites. They're not allowed to talk to anybody other than each other. And that's who they talk to. Think about it. So the same thing is happening in Washington. Everybody goes, well, why isn't everybody jumping up? Really? Well, look at the... Here's another thing about the shooting. Have you noticed the age of the people that they've shown? Have you noticed the block of an age of the people that were the victims? I haven't really seen many. They're my age or older. They're in their 50s and 60s and some were even in their 70s. Now, the fascinating thing about this is the whole point of that is that You know, the bracket of people that you're looking at here. Mindset, attitude, custom, and you know, and background. These people all are associated with each other, not for just a few years, but for decades. They associate with other people in that closed community. They were known and know each other. No, they don't necessarily spend every minute with each other, but you've got to remember with bureaucracies, bureaucracy rubs its own eye and death. It you know, they feeds off itself. It works with itself and because of that all these people everybody inside the system They want to retire if you look at what you got is old farts. I'm 56. Okay, we're all cut by all the spring chickens We're all considered old farts now. Okay. Well 50 to 70 years old these people were looking at getting through retirement. They didn't make it They're dead now The Prozac shooter saw that, that was of course allowed to continue by whoever called off the SWAT team that would have done the job, the hit team. In reality it's a react, what we call the military reaction stick. And these reaction sticks are divided up, like I said, all over Washington, D.C. It's the biggest police state complex on the planet. Far out classes in New York. Okay, as far as how many layers of secret police, enforcers, knuckle draggers, black uniforms, green uniforms, brown uniforms, chartreuse uniforms, suits, suits with vests, suits without vests, suits with buttons on lapels, other suits without buttons on lapels. Everybody has a uniform. There are more people that are secret police there than there are regular people walking around visiting. 20 times, it's a 20 to 1 ratio. So for this to carry on the way it did, it was allowed. That's the bottom line. And or, here's the other thing you gotta admit, it was total failure. Okay, call it, you wanna stick around, you gotta go. I'm gonna take off, also to make a mission with Connot. There's also earlier reports of more than one shooter at the same time. Exactly. Thank you. 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Wonderful! to the micro effect. Micro broadcasters covering 194,000 square miles and bringing the people's voice to little towns all across America. Guy with the 12 gauge just came down the hallway and shot Martha, just one of our fellow government employees. Yeah, right. Instead you're supposed to run around like, let's see, uh, my head's up there, I don't pay any attention to the surroundings. uh... on the other hand would you would who would you rather have the the income pool with his head in the clouds dancing around with no clue about what's going on or perhaps when they got showed up in the hallway with a shotgun the paranoid guy that's carrying the nineteen eleven with four extra magazines because maybe just maybe the guy with the shotgun in the hallway might show up this government-sponsored don't worry says the guy with his head in the clouds the government has all kinds of police officers secret police and people that listen to your phones and people that monitor cameras and all of them consider your life more important than theirs they're gonna jump right in there and get it on other now well there's a few cops that you show up they tried well they well now that the specialists are gone we all just need to lay down and die yeah insect nation humans late oh you've never heard that song an insect nation You're all just going to insects slash dog animals. It is weapons Wednesday and I want to reinforce again, Mr. Shotgun is your friend, I will say that. One thing about shotguns guys, when everything else has gone up, the shot shells are still the most affordable and available. First of all, you need to learn a little bit about reloading. Again, educate yourself to reloading shot shells. Educate yourself to reloading shot shells. Educate yourself to reloading shot shells. Please educate yourself to reloading shot shells. Now that I've reinforced that, I thank you, did you hear me? Educate yourself to reloading shot shells. Why? And by the way, get a decent, you know, single stage press, not a multi-header, you can get a single stage step-by-step press. So what do I need that for? Well, here's the thing. Double off buck is really expensive, especially the fancy black boxes with all the special print. So true. But let's say that I could buy number 8, number, well let's go, 7, 7.5, 8, 8.5, and 9 shot is pretty darn cheap, isn't it? Right now you can go to Cappella's and pepper shot is, that's true. And it's also the basis for the next step which is, I need a lot of buckshot. In fact, I want a lot of worse buckshot than the buckshot I can buy. What do I mean by worstest? How is terrible a ruler? Well, let's see, if I were to open up the shell, dump the pepper shot, but I don't want to dump the whole load. And then I take, for instance, well, let's go to two departments. We're going to go to more than a few departments at Cabela's. In fact, we can go to a couple different ones, depending on what's available. I bebop over to Cabela's and I buy two cases of the cheapest shot shell by the case I can find. Now, I don't want, nobody wants to get shot by that. By the way, if you were in a hallway and you take bull to trigger on that and aim for your legs, I'm just probably going to shred that muscle tissue. Why do I say legs? Well, you're fighting a room to room, house to house, say, battle against black uniform moose who are coming to confiscate the guns. And you're down to other ammo. Well, if you know what the ammo is, you don't aim for the vest. You aim for the legs or the arm or the head. Now, that pumpkin head bouncing around on top of the shoulders, not likely you're going to hit it that well. but I will guarantee when you hit the leg and you shred a big chunk of muscle out of it chances are the Black Uniform Moose is going to stand very well. Just a little hint there. Now you pepper two guys doing this one. Pepper the snot out of him. Hit him with whatever you can but one person's job is to cut one leg off from underneath it. A pogo stick walker doesn't work very well. Okay just a case in point. Now I know we got to call her over just a moment more. One of the things that I'm going to do then is go to Cabela's and I'm first going to go over to the black powder area. Oh, why do I want to do that? Well, because I'm looking for inexpensive bullet molds. Now I can get shot, you know, buckshot, number four buck, I can get double lot, triple lot buckshot. I can get a number of different size shot molds, but they're actually quite, quite expensive. However, the EMF or the other less expensive cap and ball, round ball 36 for smaller calibers, you know, for the small pocket colts that were out there, they made a smaller shot mold, round mold, guys. That's the first place I would look and I would buy one or two of those, number one. Number two is I would go over to the fishing department. Although it might be right there in the same area with the black powder molds, I then look for a sinker, a multi-station sinker mold, a round sinker mold. Well Mark, those are round sinkers for fishing. Yes they are. And those fine round sinkers, loaded up in that shot shell, make a really fine about number four buck. Oh, I could save a lot of money as far as the casting mold goes. And by the way, some of you also get molds for other purposes in industrial circles, circular or donut-shaped pieces of lead. Well, those are kind of handy too. And if I weigh up and properly reset with a loader or even by hand those shot shells that I bought on the cheap for the best price, I'll save that pepper shot up in a jar and I will, the pepper shot, you know, the powder shot guys, the number seven through number nine. I'm not going to throw that away. I'll either use it for filler in amongst all that, those other pellets I put in there, or I'll save it if I need it in the future. I might even have to recast it in the small pellets. More on that a little bit. Anyway, the point is that any place you go doesn't have to be Cabela's, but Cabela's kind of like one stop shopping. You can buy cases of the shot shells at number 789. You can buy sinker molds or you can buy cap and ball, round ball molds. You might find other types of molds I'm missing, you know, I haven't covered there. Guess what? If they're smaller, about 20, 22, 25 caliber, that means you can load up a whole bunch of cheap buck shot in number four buck, which I really like because every time I pull the trigger in a 12 gauge, it's like dumping a magazine of M16 rounds down range. Now more on other ideas than this, because we've got a caller. I don't want to keep them waiting. Caller, who do we have? At Georgetown, Texas. What do you got, Georgetown subject? What about the 410? Oh, 410's fine. The only thing about 410 is, again, remember, you're going to want to grab as many rounds as you can, because two things are happening, I've noticed, with 4-10. Number one, well, and it's obvious to everybody, there's a lot of new 4-10 weapons out there. In fact, in California, by the new law they just passed, the new Judge Pistols and the Judge Wheel Gun Shotguns, which are, you know, revolver shotguns, they apparently were just banned by the new law. Now, we're going to find out more about that, but amaland.com just covered this. Amaland.com. but they make a copy of the judge i don't know the name of the fact there are several different colors one made by torus i think the elements made by charter and of course there's there's a couple of the companies that are making 410 guns handguns but they've made uh... copies of the old post civil war wheel guns in the uh... rifle in the basically a long girl shotgun 410 wheel cylinder instead of a bump gun uh... cool idea neat little weapon But if you have a 410, I would be buying ammo constantly and looking for the sales and buy them out. Seriously. It's a good shell, good charge. But because all these new guns have been made, you're in the same situation as you were with .22 caliber. If everybody gets serious, people are going to walk in and sweep the shells off because a lot of people have 410. Now, 410, as you know, you've got a youth that's a good choice for them. For anybody out there, for that matter, a lot of bunnies, well, here's a philosophy behind 410. Be a better shot, put less shot down range, and still get the money. That's the argument about 410. Somebody would say, well, you know, if you're, or because of sporting purposes, in other words, it's more competitive and that it's tougher to do, but when you think about it, you're putting a smaller shot pattern down range, you're using less powder, less shot, and you're still getting the same money. I would say that's a good thing. So, see, that's what I've said. All these weapons have a place in the toolbox. And if you're limited in powder supply, you're limited in resources, that 410 makes a great deal of sense to reload. And I would recommend, by the way, if you haven't done this, you know, I'm sorry, I didn't mention this before. Now, George, you need to go out and look for, and all of our friends listening, need to look for the compression or hammer type reloading systems. very nice kits they were made by two or three different companies including several you'd recognize. A little box formed like a little cigar box, a mallet to form everything up and they're usually three or four die sets depending upon what it was built for. You can buy shotgun reloading sets like this for your 410 which means that you can reload even in the field. The idea behind is for those people who didn't have a whole lot of room and didn't know maybe had a closet or maybe had a little workbench or wanted to work off the kitchen table, preferably something a little more strength than the kitchen table nowadays are kind of flimsy. But the idea was that you could take a little plastic mallet, put a piece of wood down, put your powder and shot everything right there in front of you and you could use a dipping, you know, measure system, you know, the cup system. put your grams, your powder in, put your shot wad in, put your shot in the wad, using the cup system also. You wouldn't have to be real hyper on the scale. And you would make what is a field game load. And using the compression system, you tap on it with a hammer when you put the other part of the die on, and it would set the rosette and do all the stuff that needs to be done to make that case work. So if you haven't found one, you may already have reloading material for 410, but I would highly recommend getting one of those mallet systems. You'll have to look around at the shows. Some companies are still selling them. So it's, you know, Lee makes them. Lee used to make a complete whole series for every caliber. All standard calibers and all shotguns. Well, Mark, I know you said aim for the limbs and all that. What about aiming for the throat? Well, that's a good idea, but like I said, one of the things we've learned is bobblehead. Remember that again, if you're aiming for the throat-slash-upper-torso area, that's another consideration. Body armor is good. You know, sometimes it has a chin cup, sometimes it does not. Most flat armor is just designed again to take and preferably perforate, absorb the energy of the load, and then distribute it across the fiber strands. This is why you still get black and blue marks even though you're wearing the body armor you still see you get peppered with little pock marks here and there. If it's on the edge of the armor the shell follows the path of least resistance and it moves beyond the vest. So if you have like an upper chest hit like at the edge of the vest it would move along the vest and scut up into the throat, into the chin and it would be scimitarring. If you're using a lead bullet, this is something you don't talk about, there's no such thing as bullet proof. Even with leg bullets, what will happen is the bullet will flatten out the scimitar and now it's going like a frisbee towards the neck. It will shear along the neck. This is why, now here's why body armor and this goes back to Vietnam. They found that after evaluating combat casualties, the two most common areas of injury was the throat and the head. Why? Because those were the exposed areas. So, because everybody was taking cover. Everybody was doing what they were supposed to be doing. So the question was how can we improve the defense there? The PazGat armor system, whichever goes, oh that's obsolete, that's old, that's this. Hey, any armor is better than your arse hanging in the breeze. The PazGat was the first to bring the collar back up and to put a wraparound in the throat area. In addition to that, the other half of the PazGat system was the PazGat L'Arre helmet. Its mission was to come back down and overlap slightly with the neck so that it offered more all-round protection. Now your face is still exposed because you've got to look around, but the idea was that a minimal amount of your body was exposed in the areas where it needed to be for you to perform in combat missions. Most modern body armor, especially assault systems, have throat armor. So again, would it still punch? Well yeah, I think if you're using something heavy enough, if you hit the throat area, collapsing somebody's larynx, perforating arteries or slamming an artery and creating a rupture under the skin. It's just as deadly as watching somebody's blood spurt from a vein that's pumping. Either way, it's shock trauma. However, the problem is pipe late. When people are running, here's the way to do this. Take and pay attention. Look at a runner. Take a look at somebody especially who's gunned up with a whole bunch of equipment. Watch a video after video after video and observe a true moving target. Not Hollywood where everybody's all miraculously is pointing the gun in the wrong direction. They still get a hit. Look at real life situations and watch the runners. Now again consider the runner or somebody in motion. While you can take out the pie plate and the beener and that kind of shuts down the system, Also, we improved armament and armor, or I should say armor, not armament, but improved armor has changed dramatically the formula. However, the individual running at you still has to be mobile. Thrawn strike, hip strikes, leg strikes, immediately do the same thing to a runner or to an assault soldier that it does to a train on a bridge. If you're a demolitions expert, you don't blow the train up on them while just sitting there. Ideally, you get two-fers. You engage and put your demolitions on a train trestle so that the train, in motion with tonnage, helps to do more devastating damage to the wreckage you've created, what you used to call the bridge. The same is true with blowing a hip area or a leg area out of an assaulting force. If you do this, the cascading event, you've got so many pounds in motion, and it does count. You know, when a bullet hits the bone, We just saw this happen with the woman that was shot by the cops in New York. Just as a happenstance, they weren't even aiming at her and they cut both leg bones. She went down for the count instantly. She can have the ability to move after that. Well, think about it. Once they're not moving and they're in a great deal of pain, it's a lot easier to do a follow-up shot. If they fall back, aim for the crotch again or aim for the bottom of their foot. If they fall forward, aim to the side of the helmet But again, right along the neck. Which again, you were saying a neck. What about a neck shot? Well, in this case, if they fall forward, your follow-up shot should be to the side of the helmet or directly on top of the helmet that they fall forward. Remember that there's double armor on the shoulder. Now, it doesn't mean that if you hit somebody with a high-powered rifle on the shoulder, you're not going to perforate and bust a bone. You're probably going to create a lot of painful injury. But if you slide it along the neck and you do a lateral shot and you hit, say, by the side of the helmet, it slides down, the helmet compresses. It slides along the face, cuts up the artery there, goes into the top of the neck and goes laterally the length of the body. Now you've gone through organs, maybe the heart, the lungs, busted up another bone, maybe the bullet lodges in the hip. If you fire into their crotch, if they fall backwards, it goes through the lower organs, perforating anything from the spleen, the liver, the lower intestine. the bladder, it's going to go up into and the bullets going to lodge somewhere in the upper chest cavity probably again because those organs don't offer a whole lot of resistance in the upper area anyway. The air sacs don't do much. So it's probably going to lodge somewhere up towards the collar bone or the throat or up into the esophageal, you know, the esophageal airway, etc. So you get a lot of extra perforation and damage for a follow-up shot. Mark, I even heard of like police, it was fired like a 45 degree angle into the concrete. No, that's what's called a deflection shot and I will point out that that grid does create scimitarring but remember that was done. That was an old trick by riot police to increase the range of the shot shells. If you have a shotgun and you're wanting to disperse the crowd You don't engage at your optimal range, normal short range. What you do is you can increase the range by dropping, and this is what they were teaching military riot police and riot police know, but they're not supposed to talk about. What you do is you drop your aim down in front of the target and you let the bullet splash, and like I said before, it's scimitars. Flattens out, but it still has forward velocity. Now, instead of it being a nice, round, neat ball, now it's a jagged, splayed piece of lead. When it hits the target, parts of those pieces of lead will stay with the target. It will break off while the bullet, the projectile, is spinning and moving into the object, which is the person. Part of it will proceed on the original path, but because of its oblong configuration, which is totally random, the path of penetration and the shock trauma applied is going to be very different. And that was the real reason for hitting the cement. It has nothing to do with just trying to splash it up. And it would create more damage or it could be less lethal in some ways. If that is the intent, splashing up into the knees, popping into the shin, tearing up the shin bone, creating literally a trauma to the shin. So the equivalent to, shall we say, a bullet-generated shin splint. Ooh, it's worse, obviously, guys. But they don't give a comparable pain level. had shinsplints before just imagine it being made by hot lead. Okay, that'll give you an idea. Think about something like that hitting the front of your leg. So that was the purpose behind that originally. And that's why the cops were all taught this. It's a riot technique that actually was re-susitated in the 60s and 70s. But in reality, for as long as troops have been in riot control or in crowd control, they've known about this. And lead was more common back in the day, remember with muskets, rifles, things of that nature, even with pistols. Auto pistols were originally designed and promoted as crowd control guns. And remember that automatic pistols, real auto pistols, not semi-automatic pistols, machine pistols were considered riot control guns for the same reason. Lots of firepower, full auto, dumped the rounds in front of the legs of the targets. splashes in the cobblestone, flattens out, chews up legs, makes people scream, panics everybody else. Anything else? No, that's it Mark. Appreciate it. Alright, thank you Mark. Thank you. Again, 410. George, everybody else out there with the 410, guys, I would recommend getting reloading technology because the 410 is becoming very popular. It's being resuscitated by new weapons on the market. Because of that, you're going to see greater competition for what's out there. Any of you who get to the cheap stuff first are going to be way ahead of the page. Because old bummer has already said he's coming after the ammo, he's coming after the guns, he's coming after every aspect of whatever you own. Whoever's there first and is thinking, you're going to be on top of the weight. Everybody else, the word undertow applies. So, some everybody needs to think about. And again, our people are thinking, so I think we will be way ahead of schedule on this and do right. It is almost the top of the hour. Don't forget guys, we're headed towards the end of the month. The Micro Effect needs your help. 888-747-1968. You can call in and donate. 888-747-1968. Please do so. You can also go to themicroeffect.com. Themicroeffect.com. Themicroeffect.com. And when you get there, go to the donate key and you can donate with PayPal. 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