September 18, 2013
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59m
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2013
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Mark Koernke and Darrell discussed preparedness, firearms, and ammunition availability on September 18, 2013. The show covered local incidents in Michigan creating heightened community awareness, detailed information on ammunition sources and pricing, 80% receiver availability from Aries Armor, custom ammunition loading techniques using Zabbit accelerators and SABO rounds for various calibers, AR-15 magazine sources and pricing, spring replacement options, and commentary on the Navy Yard shooting and Syria military intervention. Callers contributed information on gun shows in Pennsylvania and spring manufacturing services.
- ammunition
- ar-15
- 308 rifle
- preparedness
- michigan militia
- 80% receiver
- aries armor
- gun shows
- second amendment
- syria
- navy yard shooting
- magazines
- zabbit accelerators
- sabo rounds
- atf
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Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch him tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free and a good afternoon ladies and gentlemen This is the second hour of the afternoon intelligence report timer kirnke We might have Daryl there a star six unmute just in case you're muted One day closer. Yeah, there we go. We got you What happened star six, but it didn't didn't unmute and I got an echo you got six star. Yeah star six. There we go. Well, and you are There we go one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines and occupied territories West East South and Northwest. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com. We're on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations, and ultra-net technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Good afternoon to the Aleutians. We're on the Hallmark Network on the eastern seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the Pitts, Thurs, and Fifth and our friends in the Civil War state of Colorado waving to the left coast where Feinsteinism just is with a vengeance stenching up the countryside the spew dripping everywhere all the way from the airport across the country where Feinsteinite dribbles and drips. Oh the spew, the stench, the smell across the country and landing in the district of criminals. We've got to turn back that way to the east, but with our nose plugged, holding our nose, we sweep across the plains with the dribblets of spew landing next to us across the many plain states. We leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi land of the Smokies with the restaurant crews, Grammy teams, OK teams, and the air defense crews are firing at the aircraft to try and chase it out of their airspace and send it towards the district of criminals where it belongs, keeping it away from their land. and keeping the stench down. Still it moves across the landscape with the air, with the air drift. As it is, it's nice. It's been a classic September day. Great day for working outside, and we did. Darrell, what's it like in your neck of the woods? And what's the date today? And what's jumping off the wall there, sir? Well, it's September the... I gotta get new glasses. Ah, 18th. Weapons Wednesday. And the temperature here is a whopping 70 degrees. And tomorrow it's supposed to be near 80. And then Friday it's supposed to be near 80 again. But then Sunday it's back down into the 6th. Rain moving in tomorrow night and Friday and Saturday. What's happening nearby? This weekend, the 21st and 22nd down in Washington, PA, is a gun show down there at the fairgrounds. It's a 450 table show. I will be there and have some trinkets to sell. So if there's anybody that needs some trinkets, they work good in your trinket slingshot. We got lots, well not lots, but we've got, been getting some in. I was just looking at Amaman. He just got a bunch of Lake City 223 in the 62 grain full metal jacket. It's also got some PMC four metal jacket. Lake City is $550 for $1,000 and the PMC is $499,000. But it also has, well let's see, I thought he had some green tip. Yes, he's got some green tip from PMC, 500 or 1,000 rounds starting at $300. If you need to two three right now, I'm a man's got a not a plethora but appears he has quite a bit and let's Go to details on one of them and see if it tells me how many cases he's got 20 rounds to a box and he has Of the one he has 38 bar 38 cases in stock. I give you an idea what's out there now. I also got an email from Natchez Shooter supply and they just got a bunch of Federal pistol ammo 9 millimeter 45 38 special They did get some 30 out 6 44 Magnum so if you need any of those calibers why Natchez shooter supply has gotten some pistol ammo in so Let's do like Mike Mike. I'm sorry mark. Let's do as mark says buy them out get it in our hands and before the unscrupulous types decide that we can't have it no more. And you know they're gonna try it's not an if it's just a win They're already flapping their yap about trying to you know just get the guns in fact They dropped all the other specialized rhetoric It's just get the guns get the guns get the guns good. We need to see that I'm you know I have been I've been run not going to place in particular, but just to my Daily errands into town to pick up things here and there and I'm running into people all over the Unfortunately, I know who I am, but in our conversation they are all generally tired and can't wait to get the dance started. They are tired of waiting, so they are just sitting there saying, well let them bring it on, it's time. It's time to waltz. Interestingly enough, we've had some strange stuff happening here locally, but it's been happening to other people and it's creating an attitude in this area. I think that the liberals who were doing this I think they figured out that something is definitely a skew. But I talked to three different people and we had three different incidents all over the last couple of days. And this is unique and odd for this area, but because of it, everybody's on the same page talking about defense. And now everybody's starting to arm up. as in keep the guns at their business, keep the weapons where they're within reach, making sure they have more than one weapon handy. And these are people who before were like, well, you know, la, la, la, la, la. So we're going to try and bring everybody up to speed locally here, but make some recommendations because a lot of them are already gunned up. I mean, you don't have to worry. They're not only are they well-armed, but they're armed at the professional level, if not the military level, with regard to how well equipped and how deep their larders are. But the incidents are unique and similar to stuff that we've been reporting all over the country with regard to intentional agitation taking place. So somebody's testing the water to see, figuring that because like here where we are, Darryl, we've got the people who have lived here in Dexter all of their lives and we wanted to be here. Then you've got the ones who fled from the places that they turned into social assess pools, so now they've come out here to turn this into a social assess pool. And those are the Disney Dexter types. We're going to make Disney Dexter. Well, they figured that those are the goofs they were running over in the other locations and they're going to start playing with them here. That should be a warning in itself to people that let you know that no matter where you live, there is no place that you can't go that these creeps won't follow. It may take them a while, but they will follow you to the ends of the earth. So you might as well stake yourself out like the Indians used to do. Stake yourself out and take on all comers until either you get them all or they get you. And they plan on getting anyway, so you might as well do a better job before that happens, make sure you, you know, you again, decimate them. If everybody does a really good job, and like you've said, it's like the song March of Cambraith. How many of them can we make die? All of them. Yeah, and if you can find the black pit bullets for 30-06, I pick them up, and even if you have to restuff them, just pick them up and restuff them into 30-06 cases, or you can even put them in 308. And you can create a little havoc with them. And for those of you who have the 300 Winchester Magnum... Oh, they're devastating in the 300 win. Yes. Just because they were for 30 out of 6 does not mean you can't stuff them in any of the 30 calibers that are out there, but you put them in one of those Belted Magnums, the 30 caliber Belted Magnum, and hello, Dolly, we can have some fun. You can make Swiss cheese out of almost anything. Yeah. One of the interesting things too about this that I see... especially when we're looking at 30 caliber rifles remember we can go with the M2AP we can go with discarding, Sabo there's a number of different companies out there that are producing unique bullets also if you have a machine shop you can take a standard Sierra Boat Tail bullet map that out if you have a programmable lathe or a like a bridge port or whatever guys you could be just machining out solid copper bullets Solid copper or solid bronze? Yeah, and not to remember we were talking a while ago about this company that was making the Zabbits. Oh yes, yeah, there's several companies. Yeah, the one in particular is out of Utah. In fact, forgive me, I don't have the information right here in front of me, but I can pull it out for the 8 o'clock show. I'll have it then. Go ahead. Yeah, but anyway, you can get some of those Zabbits and put a .22 caliber bullet in there, and here it is. I got it right here. Voila right at my fingertips. It's Zabbit accelerators JD components. Yep. There we go. 75 East 350 North Bourn that's O-R-E-M Utah 8-4-0-5-7 and Phone number is and I believe it's a cell phone is 801-372-3807 Again, that number is 801-372-3807 and they do have a webpage. I haven't checked it lately, but it's www.jdcomponts.com. So if you want some habits for your 30 caliber, and I believe they make them for other calibers besides 30, but you take that Zabbit 30-06 put the .22 caliber in there. Not only can you increase the range of your .30-06 because it's shooting just about a full house load, it's reduced a little bit because of the lightness of the bullet, but still, because you couldn't put enough in there. But you can increase the velocity of that and you can also increase your range and also increase the accuracy. I don't have the charts to tell you how far you can increase it, but if you can hit with a 30-06 at 1,000 yards, I'm pretty sure that you could probably stretch that to 1,200 or 1,300 yards with that Sabbath. One of the interesting things there is then you could go with again tungsten carbide you could go with steel you could go one of the things we used back in the 70s was drill rod You can tool drill rod, but again, you're gonna need carbide tooling to get the job done But when you're done with drill rod guys, that's a solid AP penetrator And what you would do is make a copy of whatever the Sabo is molded for, that's the bullet you mimic. Typically it's set up for a Sierra Boat Tail 55 grain projectile. That's the ones that they were doing out of Orem. It's a good design. He has colors, so if you want to color code so you can ID the weight of the bullet. In other words, if you have different types of bullets, you go with solid copper, you go with drill rod, you go with standard 55 grain military ball, what you would do is use the different colored SABOs to ID it so you can confirm what you're loading. and that way there's no confusion. So he does have different casting colors for the SABOs themselves. This is the same SABO that Remington has used for years in their accelerator load and it works flawlessly. They are also precise. These things are very accurate. They're not just simply going to put the bullet randomly down range and it's going to kind of spew around. It doesn't work that way. The other cool thing, as you pointed out, Darryl, you can do this with 30 Remington. which by the way is an odd man out rifle there's not a whole lot of those out there but they are out there you can do a 7.62x39 you can do a 5.4, forgive me 7.62x54R Russian 30.30 you can probably do it with 32 because 32 and 30 are pretty close obviously it's a little bigger bullet but the plastic Sabo is designed to be compressed and would probably make up the difference. I'd have to ask him about that because we did discussion on that and he think he was going to check to see what he could find out how he could load it. In addition to that... You might even be able to paper patch it. Yeah. to it. Exactly. So there are solutions. The other thing here is that any 30 caliber can be, and he has the math table for loading it. In fact, on the web page, you can pull down all of the formula information and a program, and guys you can calculate and figure out what you need to do to come up with a spec load for whatever 30 caliber case you have. If it's a 30 caliber, slash 7.62 or 7.63 diameter bullet, slash a chain ring, slash bore, it will take a Sabo. In fact, we've already done this years ago, though we have to go with a 50 grain Spitzer, but 7.62 by 25 Tokarev, the Tokarev round. It has with the Sable Round Darryl, it has the same ballistics as a standard M16 with a standard 20 inch barrel out of a Toker pistol or a Broomhandle Mauser. Now think about that guys, it's a hand cannon, that makes that a hand laser is what it does. So these are solutions. That's one of the other reasons, again we were looking at these 30 caliber barrels You can make an awfully nice short assault rifle cartridge and make a breech loading single shot rifle that would be chambered in 7.62x25 using the SABOs. and it would be a powerhouse. It would be a monster little package for the size. You can go with a 16 to 20 inch barrel. I'd go with at least an 18 if it could. There's a lot of barrel blanks out there. Sarco has them. Apex Gunparts has demilled barrels. The barrel that's left is what you could work with. You know, the part that has them in demilled, there's a number of solutions there. But there's also 30 caliber barrel blanks that they have or barrels that they have that are not as pretty, that would be good research. bed barrels, both Apex and e-sarcoinc.com, apexgunparts.com and e-sarcoinc.com both have 7.62 and 2.23 barrels right now available cheap and they're not chambered, they are virgin, they're about a one inch diameter which means you got a lot of meat to work with If you're going to build a little tack-driving, you know, little mini sniper rifle, leave the barrel full one inch. Make it as rigid as possible. And I'm not worried about lightening it up. It's not its purpose in life. I want it to tack one round after another over and over and over and over again. So we need to see again if you're going to research and do some development there. That's what ApexGunParts.com and EdashSarcoInk.com is great for. Also Numerish, old Numeric Arms Gun Parts Corp. They have barrels, but you have to call them and I've noticed they actually in the catalog have, they've got about 20 pages of barrels. Now I mean barrels that hold whole liquid guys were talking about rifle barrels old project barrels for guns that are no longer made barrel blanks from other companies that never finished projects and they're in different calibers to include shotgun gauges So that's something else to look at Anyway, those say bows that 30 caliber would be pretty impressive No matter what it is and it brings the performance range way up from the original specs for the round So nothing that you have no matter how old it is is truly obsolete I talked myself out of the sail one time because of the .30-06 accelerators. The guy was looking for an environment rifle and it was when the Remington accelerators first came out. It's been so long since I looked at the velocity, but I think they were running, give or take, they were running about 3,600 feet per second with that .55-green board in it. And so I talked to him into trying a couple of boxes of those and he came back and bought all that I had on my shelf and said, well, unfortunately, you talked yourself out of the sale because he says these perform just, you know, exactly what he was looking for for shooting woodchucks at various longer distance. He was all set to buy a varmint caliber rifle. I'm being tongue-tied here. Using the 30 out of 6 accelerators. That's the way it goes, I said. I'd rather have a happy customer than I could tell you, gun tell you these things aren't any good. That's not the way I am. If I can save you a dollar on a gun and put more ammo in your pocket. Real quick, before we go any farther, we're headed towards the bottom of the arrow. We'll probably break here and bit Ed's right in the middle of opening up a box, so he might be busy for a minute. We just got, I think, we just got one of our other new computers in. It was a sale item. Spike and Ed did a little perusing through the closeouts and clearances and found something useful, and it's already here. So we'll find out more about that. uh... perhaps a little bit but in the meantime where are you going to be where's the next gun show or gun shows and you know for everybody out there in the middle of the program so it's in the archives if you want to put a face to that name so you can hit him with a two by four darryl where will you be well first of all make sure you got good shatterproof glasses because i don't want to break them and break an extended lens safety glasses so that the lenses don't break Anyway, I'll be at Washington, PA at the Washington County Fairgrounds on the 21st and 22nd September. That's this weekend coming up. Next weekend is Hidden Valley, PA, Sportsman's Club. You'll have to uh... in pennsylvania you have to uh... to uh... you have to look them up on the internet and find their thing because quite a bit they when they hit in valley they pick the name just right so you have to you've gone there and find their uh... map in order to be able to find your place but it's just like it says hidden valley sportsman's club pennsylvania could bring it up to you then in october the nineteenth and twentieth i will be at The Saratomba Club Gun Show here in Meadrill out on Baldwin Street extension. I'll have more directions close to the show. And then the following weekend I will be at Rocky Grove down in Rocky Grove, Pennsylvania, which is right near Franklin, Pennsylvania. So that's the itinerary for the next couple months. very good everybody out there listening remember guys uh... if you get a chance to talk to darrell i know a lot of people that are looking at uh... the problems that both pennsylvania new york face with especially with new york's up-and-coming ammunition ban uh... as it goes into effect the taxation level alone is probably going to put people right through the roof uh... they're not going to do this this is not an accident they already know what they're going to do if you have the handgun control incorporated 1993 National Agenda for confiscating and banning the guns. It's right out of the schedule. What they're doing in New York, you've got this wall that's in the fog somewhere. It's not a matter of if you're going to hit it, it's whether or not you're going to have the brakes on and slow down so you don't smack into it and run through the windshield and then hit the wall again. First you're going to hit the wall with the car, then you're going to go through the windshield and hit it with your head. It's a mess. You've got a big red mucky spear, maybe some grey stuff. It's terrible. So we don't want to see that happen. Instead you don't want to get caught flat-footed. You want to be ready for and prepared for. We also need to point out to people that they need to be ready for and prepared for. So, prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance in this case. I mentioned, and again, Darrell, just in case you haven't caught this yet, forgive me, I want to make sure I get this up again, AriesArmor.com. They have the Polymer 80% finished receivers. They also have a closeout section. Now they have 35, maybe less. Let's see what happens here. They have 35 of the polymer receivers available right now. They also have aluminum, so they do have aluminum. The polymers are just easier because they don't require a jig. They showed 25 of the black plastic and 10 of the green. They just got these in. They were completely sold out in all categories. As soon as they've been able to get any, they've been putting them in the shop and they're going out just as fast as we see that they're there. So there's 35 available. I get the green first. If they run out of the green, then go to the black. The reason is just for disruption. The green's another color. It'll break up the overall silhouette of the gun. And again, it's color safe all the way through. So if it gets scratched, it's still green under the green. Okay. I was thinking of painting mine. Oh no, you don't have to. Oh no, as a matter of fact, we've been covering, they make an 80% polymer. All you do is grind out the white area of the lower receiver and you're done, Darryl. It doesn't require any jig for this work at all. You just grind out the white area and they have pink, but they sold out. They sold out of the black they sold out of the green they sold out of the brown they had a hundred of each and They then they sold out of the pink they had five left, and they all went at once Some people have done some really cool. Hello Kitty where they have the pink lower receiver they do a purple upper you know and like a passion purple like a pretty like soft purple and Put the little exclamation stars and the little hello Kitty on the stock and it looks quite plush You know down in Washington Here back, not in June, because I didn't make that one, but back in, I believe it was January, they had, there was a guy down there that had a series of, and I think they were all in .22 caliber, by the way. He had several different camouflage pattern AR-15, I'm gonna call them .22s, because I'm pretty sure they were all .22 calibers. But they were in, one was pink and black, another was black and white, and then there was a, Off brown and white you know so yeah, there's Stylish to two-tone shoe colors right yeah, the black and red are what they call her urban camouflage, right? Well the pink ones of course you'll just feel you know they look plush And you'll feel good about being shot by that person carrying that hello Kitty rifle Just so you can get it get it get in touch with your feminine stuff Well, in this case... That matches your pink lacy underwear. It will be a pink lacy battle dress uniform. Literally battle dress uniform. Short skirt dress up just above the knees. It might even give you a micro mini. Well, I'm not wanting to picture what I'm thinking about, especially since, again, knowing the poof test for what they are. It would be a Daisy Duke type shorts or Daisy Duke type miniskirt. And either way, I wouldn't want to see them in it because I don't want them to bend over and for anything else to dangle out. But the pink ones aren't in right now, so you don't have to worry about those. I think people didn't care. The idea was, hey, for $100 apiece, you got a lower receiver that's a Liberty arm that's not in paper or anything. And everybody's taking advantage of those. However, I want to bring something else up I mentioned. Those close outs. There's a couple things. They have the 80% cosmetic BLEM lower receivers in the raw for $68 apiece. And they have the single use 80% AR15 jigs, which by the way if you're very careful, they're good for more than one use. For $45, Darrell, so you're looking at for $113, you've got to come everything you need to put an aluminum AR15 receiver online right there. Have you heard any more about the, what was the term of that machine that they were experimenting with? One that would print. Oh, the yeah, the well the best where they're printing I'm using the plastic mold layering system. Yeah, um Kind of like a variation on what you saw in fifth element where they stack the girl together remember how they knitted her together from parts and layers You know and they had the hand all they had was a hand they said that's enough and from that they knitted the What they were supposed to be the fifth element girl together didn't know was a girl until they started putting her together and realized She's got bumps And she's missing other parts. She's a girl. And of course that was really nice. But if you watch how they did that, where they layered it, that's basically what they're doing with the plastic guns. The polymer, I mean, while the idea is interesting and it is another way to do it, to be quite honest, if you learn a little bit about brass casting or aluminum casting, guys, you can make a stronger piece that is exactly the same idea. And brass is not hard to mold. Even aluminum is not that hard to actually cast, strangely enough. The advantages is that if you could do the cold polymer like that, or even the warm mold polymer like that, you could also do other plastics that would be just as, if not more durable, which is another thing to take into consideration. You can cast plastics and make molds just like you do for metals. So while it is an interesting idea, the problem is it had proprietary programming issues because of the company that they get the technology from. And that's one of the directions where they lassoed them and dragged them back in. Now they progressively got around that. The other thing, as they finally did start to do, is when they were looking at building an AR, they started ignoring trying to directly copy everything about an AR-15. In order to make it stronger, make it thicker. Don't worry about making it look pretty like the rifle you're trying to copy. The basic, here's the rule. When you are putting together a, and I know we have another caller there, hold on just a second. If you are looking at stacking up a weapon or building a weapon from other materials, remember beef it up and make it thicker where you can. If it is cast because you don't, I am not worried about weight. This is one thing I have been arguing for a long time. I wish someone would start making AR-15 receivers in steel again. and they did do this in the past. I've not been able to find anybody who's doing it right now. Immediately somebody says, what market cost a whole pound more? And it's like, big deal. If I'm looking for something, how long would an AR-15, think about that, Darrell. How long would a steel AR-15 receiver last? Probably forever in a day. Yeah, I mean there's no real wear on it, guys. Think about it. In all the working wear points, you've just eliminated any possibility. The real wear part is supposed to be that bolt carrier, not the receiver. That's something people don't think about. The bolt is a throwaway. It was supposed to be with most weapons. It's the wear item. The receiver being made more durable will last longer. So it would be fun. It would just be a project. A couple guys did these before back in the 80s. They made stainless and they also made 41-40 chromoly steel. Both of them were superb examples of the AR-15. if you like the air 15 rifle but again it worked all the parts went on everything locked in a function you go pop pop boom boom some guys are doing and one thing about the steel if you get where the the Pivot points where the two pins that hold the upper receiver to the lower receiver were to wear It would be easy enough that you could put a build-up weld in here and then Remachine them and still keep on going or bore a mountain put inserts yeah Round about and put a brass or bronze insert in there so that they actually can be popped out and replaced But the steel would last 10 times as long as the aluminum anyway Real quick here. Do we have another caller? Just to be safe. I thought I heard another voice there. I don't want to leave anybody out. Okay, very good Daryl. Go ahead, please Since we're talking about Parts and stuff something a lot of people overlook our Springs Okay, if you have Spring and you can't find a replacement spring for a particular weapon magazine or whatever if you have the old spring There is a company here in Crawford County You would have to call and talk to them. They usually like a minimum. They're used to like a minimum of 50 Springs for a minimum order if you have the spring they could duplicate it for you And I don't care what kind it is. It's called Mercer spring and wire company says Mercer Road here and and Crawford County doesn't say the phone number. It's 814-967-2545. That's 814-967-2545. Remember a lot of you have brought AR-15 mags and over a period of time the spring has taken a set. because you left them loaded too long and you can't find replacement springs because of the demand that's out there right now. There's a possible source for you right there to call those people and ask them if they would make up springs and how many they would require for a minimum order. Then you can get them made and you can turn around and sell them. I was going to say, if all else fails, even if it was something that was unique, what you do is you keep five for yourself for your rifle. and then you call up Sarco or Apex Gunparts and tell them, hey I've got a bunch of springs that I want to sell and you offer them for the price that you paid for them basically to include them covering the shipping and just make sure that it also incorporates the cost for the other ones. If at all possible. That way you pay for your product. They've already got a program for your spring at the company so if you ever need to make it again, they can. And everybody's happy. You actually can put some out into the system so that that particular system is online. and it would be a it would make a big difference in general guys just something to take into consideration there not hard to do and especially if you can validate you can confirm exactly what it is we're looking at which you can you'd be able to put a really nice system up and online there and have the spare parts up and online for other people so they could have their nice system running to whatever the weapon is chances are if your spring war out somebody else's did too Yeah, I, a gentleman that I know was in the National Guard and they cleaned out, they closed down their center up in Erie, Pennsylvania and moved the stuff down to Cambridge Springs, merged the, the center in the city of Meadeville and the center up in Erie, put the two of them together in Cambridge Springs, PA and when he was born through cleaning up, he come across a whole case of about 800 magazines. AR-15 20-round magazines that had no springs. There's a gentleman that gets hold of... Has to make a decision. Well, again, if followers for the 20-rounders, even if they're military or at least a military mimic, are readily available, because there's still a lot of companies making 20s. And I would remind everybody again, I don't know how long it's going to last or even if it's still there, but www.jgsales.com It is $10 a piece for the black or for the dark earth. $10 a piece, 30 round stainless steel. They may have a red or they may have a gray follower they said, or apparently may be black even depending on which one it is. They also have the Oddman Out AR, well 25 round mags. These are ASC, AR15 6.5 or 264. 25 round mags. They also have the 6.8 I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Yep, 6.8 SPC mags, 25 rounders for $10. Those are both good prices and I know a couple of you guys listening bought those 6.8 rifles, the AR Uppers. This is the correct mag for that ammunition. Doesn't mean you can't use the others, but this is a better choice. They also are offering for $10 the AR15 545x39 magazines. Again, those are 30 rounders, they're $10 apiece. They do have 20s. The 20 rounders are $10 too, so it's like, nah, go the 30 rounder this time around. But how long these last and what's left in the inventory, I don't know. They also have AR10 for $12 apiece. They are AR10 for $12 apiece. ASC, AR 10, 308, 20 rounders for 12. If you buy 10, they're $12. If you buy 100, they're $12. They've got a good price on them right now. I would go the dark earth model first and then spray paint some green on it or some medium brown, dark, dark brown. and that would break up the coloration and it wouldn't be rectangular by the time you're done. Make sure you again wedge it in there and do different off angles. It's a solution. The other than that, the only other cheap, cheap mag and air out there, they've got some generic no name brand. I do not know who made them. I was supposed to get an answer today but I didn't get back to them because I were right for the last minute to get to the program here. Centerfire has some for $8. It's the only mag they have that's cheap. Everything else is $15 to $20 a mag and that's expected. But there are some items coming up here with certain companies. And everything else has stayed pretty well where it is, but they've got certain deals. Now these generic mags, I suspect they might be a Troy knockoff. But I'm not sure. And we've got people who already bought them. We're going to find out more about them. But for dump bags, even if this mag isn't that reliable but it's reliable for running once through or twice through and then okay next time around maybe it acts up you're not gonna hang onto it anyway it's for fire and dump. If you're in a breakout situation you load up about 20 to 30 mags into a bag shoulder bag have them ready to go load them up and if you're gonna break out situation the bag goes over your shoulder you fire you drop the mag you fire you drop the mag you fire it up empty it drop the mag Those mags are the expendables. Your best mags are on your combat gear. You're not going to just drop those. But your combat load should be your best, you know, highest quality magazines. Your dump bags can be anything you got. Tired looking, punked up, dense, dings. As long as you can get them so that they will work at least once, then that's all you need. and you can paint them up, camouflage them, whatever you want to do with them so that they don't rust or they don't break down or oxidize. If they're plastic it will break the design up. If it's dark, paint it with some lighter paint. If it's light, paint it with some darker paint. Anyway, I know we've got more going on there. Go ahead, Darrell, jump in there please. meetings going on here in Pennsylvania? Yes, I'm going to be having to contact you because we're looking at East Pennsylvania up towards New York and also then on the opposite direction towards the bottom of the state headed towards Ohio. So we'll know more about that here in the next few days. And I need to get together with you because I'd like to drag you. You may be taking care of one and I'll be taking care of the other. Let's put it that way. Well, if you... Okay, and that's... And I'm not tied up with a... Tight up. Oh my god. You mean they tie you up at the gun shows? Oh, you poor bugger. They handcuff you to the leg, right? Isn't that what they normally have a good leg shackle so you can at least move over and use the P bucket underneath the table? Well, except for me because when I was It been traveled around I had had to walk with a cane Because my legs were all screwed up for my heart surgery when they took the veins out So they didn't bother to shackle it They didn't bother to shackle my hands up because I'd use a cane so they kind of cut me some slack Well, I was going to say that typically if you're at the better shows they have a little shower curtain stall thing with a five-gallon pail and between the two of you at least have some place so you don't have to worry about you know a little privacy and You can sit and think while you're dealing with problems and then go back to sitting behind the table and thinking Or was that the stinker we're not sure which depending on the situation I think the stinker is more appropriate well you had to make sure you were careful so that you didn't run into Baba! uh... the abandoned in place program works just fine you stay in hiding your office and listen to the neighbor women in the other office as they're executed one after another and all the while in your bravery as a government bureaucrat the only thing that's going to remind us hope because the other way i hope it goes the other way if you should so guys in the other office i get a promotion uh... we've been in and and and he doesn't just hopefully somebody will be able to say, well he died so well. Well maybe he'll run out of ammo after he's done shooting the neighbors in the other office. I think that's the logic everybody's supposed to use. That's probably what they do in the class. You know, and just keep telling yourself, maybe he'll run out of ammo. Yeah. Use the same philosophy as they did to the troops in the Philippines that... attend death march? Well, you're running out of ammo, you have no food, so just hunker down in place and maybe the Japanese will go past you. Will over, yeah, overrun you. Well, they will overrun you. Yeah. Speaking of which, I happened to listen to the news correspondent. I believe it was this morning where he was describing how he went and bought the shotgun and he bought a couple cases of ammunition. Couple cases of ammunition and then went to the range and then he explained how many rounds were in this case of ammo He bought 24 rounds of shotgun shells Whoops boy this guy doesn't know what he's talking about because shotgun shells come in five or ten and I've seen some 15 round packs or the next step is 25 rounds to a box and either ten or 20 boxes to a case which is a hell of a lot more than 24 rounds. Well, I think he was really excited about the idea that he was showing so you can get a shotgun. Okay, well they weren't attacking the shotguns before but now they're what they're doing is basically showing you they don't care what gun it is. They're gonna throw the same propaganda up and demonstrate how terrible it is for you to have firearms. No, it's terrible for you to be disarmed while other people have firearms. Police state, nutcases, doesn't make any difference. Either way, same end result. Some nutcase wants to do you in. This whole thing would have been done faster if the men had manned up across the board. Instead, thousands of men and women, all supposedly men of the Navy, it took almost three hours to get them out of their hidey-holes. Yeah, and I haven't, and I may have missed this, but I haven't heard as to how he was, who finally shot him. Did he shoot himself? That's where we, see that's something else is number one, like I said, this whole thing was cambered up, guys. You don't think, they kept telling everybody, well this is like the one of the top five naval facilities, most important this and that and the other. It's also only four miles from the White House. Well, do you think that it was, do you think the entrances are cambered up to the base? Yes or no? Well of course, yes. Well absolutely. The streets are? Of course. Intersections? Yeah. entrances to the buildings? Hell yes. Hallways in the buildings? Absolutely. Bathroom stalls? Well, for the perverts and the queers to watch, the guys in the bathrooms? Yes. And more. The fact of the matter is, there was no illusion, they knew exactly what was going on. All of this, whenever you see this, You've got the Abandoned in Place program. They call it, you know, hunkering down whatever, you know, no, it's called Abandoned in Place. It's where you hide in your hidey hole and no matter what they do to those other people that you know and work with and some of them you might even like, you're supposed to stay in your hidey hole and listen to them as they're executed one after another and feel good about it. Because you're a manly man in the Navy and a manly man in the bureaucracy and you're a manly man hiding behind the doors while the women in the other office are executed one after another. Oh, what a manly man. man that is. And of course also an insect because you see insects have such hyper specialization that whole parts of a colony will be destroyed because they're waiting for the specialist to show up to fight. And they're not first responders, those are second responders. All these people that were there, the thousands that were on site were our first responders. They just didn't respond because they chose to be slaves. And the other thing is the military doesn't even provide their own security anymore. It's contracted out to a private security system. And it's guaranteed, OY. You want to guess who OY got the contract? OY. You want to guess? OY. OY. So what's interesting is, like you said, the question is, did he shoot himself or was he done in? And they tried to argue, well then show us. Because all this was on camera. I guarantee he wasn't in a hidey hole and missing or disappeared. No. It was on camera. And again, they could pixelate it out so you can show the final battle and his, you know, finally being conquered by the invading army of, you know, spiffy uniformed alphabet soup groups who didn't want to get too dirty while they're setting up their very important command post. Everybody had to have 25 command posts so that they could go after this one guy. Hey, that didn't make any sense. We'll have a better at just one big van and one guy coordinating and everybody else saying hey, hi, how you doing? We're supposed to work together Congratulations, this guy's over here on the other hand as the arm as the marine personnel pointed out there all armed, but they don't have any ammo So they could have done you know eliminated most of people killed wouldn't have been killed But if anybody had a weapon pop pop done of course if they'd done it and they've been persecuting the man who did that Probably it was Wilmet Daly where a jeweler protected his store and shot one or two of the people that were trying to rob him and now they are prosecuting him for defending himself. Well, again, that's because this whole agenda is to make slave plebs out of everybody. Except with the royalty. Now the royalty will shoot you for touching their clothes. Think about it. They will murder you in place for touching their garments. Oh, he touched the hem of my robe. It's contaminated now. I can never wear it again. You never gonna wear it again anyway. Yeah, it was sullied by the peasant. See, that's exactly where they want things to go. So we're to the point where it's why we do need a good knockdown, drag out, kick him in the head kind of fight anyway going on here. It's not a matter if, personally, as far as I'm concerned, like I said, it's a matter of just simply when now. And I think that the bad guys realize that too. That's why anything to jump on to get the gun scam. They really fell flat on their face with a serious scam that would have pulled us out and instead that's no longer an option. They may try still to do their Israeli terrorist attack on America. That is in the wind constantly now. But we're still armed better than they are. There's more of us and we pretty well, the people who are truly thinking, our thinkers are way ahead of the curve as opposed to the bad guys. So they understand that too. I've got a question for you. Have you heard anything about five of the top military generals approaching Mr. Obama here within the last week to ten days? I do believe probably last Monday or Friday before that, when he was getting ready to go before the people and lay out his wishes for how to deal with Syria, that he postponed it, and then when he finally came out, made his speech, he asked Congress to delay their vote for a couple of weeks. But the point I'm getting at is five generals came to Mr. Obama, or approached Mr. Obama, and told him that if he proceeded with this attack on Syria, that they would arrest him and try him for treason. Well, there was a lot of discussion about that. As far as the people actually doing it, I don't know who would step forward and acknowledge it. There's been discussion about it. It's as likely as not, because I think everybody pretty well said, nah, we have no interest. You want to put your Harry Hind in the uniform and go up there, bury Satoro and the rest of the punks that you're riding with, you go ahead and do that. The teleprompter reader has never been any risk like that to begin with, the panty waste as he is, but he's great for you. Again, like the typical leftist, limousine liberal warmongers. He's great for throwing somebody else into the fray, and that's really what the agenda has been and what they've been trying to do. credibility to it. I would imagine, since he did a, basically what it amounts to is when he did his speech on Tuesday and doing an about face, because that's basically what he did was change his plea, that I almost think that that's probably why he changed his speech, asked Congress to delay their vote for a couple of weeks. Well again the general population I mean he was such a result so resounding that even the leftists who were gonna be you know swayed by a pack Realize in fact a pack itself. They disappeared off into the shadows. They didn't want to be talked about any of the controlled media everybody knows it's a Jewish mob that's doing this and The meat puppet is he's just plapping his lips if the teleprompter is off or the speechwriter doesn't get the copy out to him fast enough He's stuck. He didn't even clearly have a clue the hell he's in front of So as far as you know him having any spine everybody goes well we go to do it because we threatened them Are you crazy? What kind of an idiot are you I hear these fools doing that it was like well because of the integrity of the press we have no integrity There's no president to begin with he's just a meat puppet working for the Jewish mom So if you want the Jewish mob ruling the country, then let's just flat out talk about it because everything else is BS. Well, now that he said it, we got to know. We don't need to do Jack or squat. That piece of trash will never be in harm's way, never been anywhere near anything in the way of a risk. And that dope snortin, a foreign national we've got in the outhouse on Pennsylvania Avenue, is as far from being a legitimate anything other than the the the doper that he is and a foreigner which he is. He's nobody to follow. or anybody to puff up or pump up. I don't care what anybody says. Bottom line, he's no different from Hurricane Bush. Best president Mexico's ever had. And it's not just him, but like you said, if all these people that want to go to war and attack all these different countries, okay? Fine. You put on the uniform you wear the carry the gun and you go over and you do the attack the first line and not yeah the first wave and don't send our boys over there because We have we have no business number one. We have no business being there and number two. There is no security Needs out of out of Syria, and three, and the most important of all, Syria is fighting with Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, so in all actuality, since we are supposedly at war with Al-Qaeda, then we should be helping Assad fight Except we are the ones that armed the Israelis, the Saudi Arabians and the Communists in Washington are the ones financing the hated el-Sidya group and mercenaries from all over the place along with murderers and rapists from Saudi Arabia so they can kill the Christians in Syria. That is what this is all about. And it is not only there. We armed el-Qadah to help them take out Qaddafi. We armed the Brosn Brotherhood so they could take out Egypt. And Al-Qaeda attacked Benghazi, at least that's what they were trying to tell us. And Al-Qaeda is supposedly responsible for September 11th, which started this supposed war. But in one country there are ally, in another country there are enemy. No. If it's Al-Qaeda and they are our enemy in one country, they are our enemy in every country. You can't play, you can't play. It's the political corrective script and it's arbitrary, it's purely a matter of who it is they're trying to screw and as far as the whole program goes, we're on the list. Everybody in America is right on the list with Syria as far as the Syrian people goes, no difference. And it goes to show you just how stupid they think the American public is. Before we go any farther, I want to get this in because we are almost to the top. PTR 91 GI Rifles at Atlantic Firearms, they have them in inventory and they're $949 a piece which is the best price in the country that I've seen. Yes, I know that's almost $1,000 but these take the $3 and $2 magazines, guys. If you're going to buy a .308 rifle, the thing you're looking at is how much does the ammo cost? It's the same no matter which one you buy. How much does the rifle cost? Well, this is the cheapest .308 in a regular military battle rifle you can buy. Well, how much are the magazines? Well, the HK91 are the cheapest magazines on the market. So you've got the basic ammo, you're going to buy whatever you're going to buy no matter what. The rifle, one time purchase, and this is less than a thousand so it puts it below the FFFL and the M1A for the most part. But the magazines are the big plus. You can buy five or six mags for the price of one M14 mag if you can find them or A-O-H-K or forgive me, F-N-F-L mags. The HK91 mags are still out there in force. Anyway, that's AtlanticFirearms.com. AtlanticFirearms.com. Darrell, where are you going to be in the next couple of weeks? Gun shows. Very good. God bless the Republic. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the Empire's on the run. I stuck it to his forehead this time. He's got a dimple. Ah, it's a burn mark. It's an HK-91 muzzle brake. Hey, that's cool. Anyway, Darrell, thank you, sir. You're welcome, sir. And we'll be back. Meanwhile, Craig from Forbidden Knowledge probably recorded. We don't know for sure yet. Coming up next, right behind us. Bye-bye.