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We might do any compromises or write our space and we fall back to this entire world and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here. This far, no further! What are we dealing with? Politicians. Look, okay, just get any blunt objects together, alright? If you get cornered, bash him in the head. That seems to work out. Keep together, stay sharp and follow me. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, We've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold you trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame You've taken Satan's number you traded in your name You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now his tyrants trampled each God given right. We only watch him tremble too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Still the land. And good evening, ladies and gentlemen, this is the evening intelligence report. I'm R. Kornke. And Butter Knife. And Joe from the Carolinas. There we go. We got Joe with us too. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, east, and northeast. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on... Liberty Tree Video at f4mg.com, run aim and FM Microstations, CB, base stations, and alternate technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're on the hallmark network on the eastern seaboard, from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida to the ark of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, a big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both 3rd to 5th in our friends in the Civil War state of Colorado, waving the left coast where Feinsteinism spews its wretched stench across the landscape. Thank goodness we don't have smell-o-vision. We turn back to the east coast across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi land and the Smokies, where the Golden Spike proceeds. Guys, it's been a perfect day here in Michigan. Not too hot, not too cold. Great day to swim or a great day to do roofing. Take your pick. But what's it like over there? BK in your neck of the woods? What is the day today, sir? It is 6 September 2013. It is Friday evening. It is the last hour of the day and the week for the intelligence report. And that makes this quartermaster's corner. And I'm waiting for the echo to go away. It's been pretty mild here all week. I haven't gotten a lot done outside. Work keeps dribbling in just fast enough to keep me diverted from other projects. But, you know, so it goes. I need the pennies anyway, so that's a good thing. I have had some adventures. Oh, well, let's first start off with we have a guest, Joe, on air. I'm not going to pull him up right away because I have a couple of things to cover first. But I'll give everybody early warning that Joe is on. And if you have any gardening-related questions that you want to call in with and so on, you have some lead time to do that. When I have called in other hours, there's a certain lag several minutes between deciding to do it and breaking in. So anybody that wants to call in can get going doing that, and we'll pick you up in a few minutes. All right. I had some interesting adventures earlier this week. I was out and about shopping for some hardware items. I have a project that is way overdue and really needs to get off the bench and done. And I needed some miscellaneous hardware items, screws, machine screws, wing nuts, washers, that kind of stuff. That was depressing. I ended up ping ponging back and forth between the two big chain home centers in our area. And I still got all but one of the items. But can you believe that aside from the tiny little bags that are a buck and a quarter for two objects, There are only two sizes of wing nuts you can purchase at one outfit and three at the other. There are very, very few fender washers available. You have to make a guess at what size you want and change the screws that you're going to put through the center. You know, alter your design on the fly to accommodate the parts you can get. This is depressing. We are getting to the point where the big places that have an entire aisle devoted to hardware and fasteners and all this kind of good stuff don't have anything. Absolutely nutty. And the few things that they do have, they, you know, allocate out in dribs and drabs. These 1 and 2 cent items go for 40 cents apiece. I guess on the assumption that everybody's going to buy one and they drove down there and they'll just shrug and say, oh well, I'll take the little bag that's got a whole two of them and be satisfied. I find myself wishing for the old school hardware stores where you walk in and you have absolutely no idea where anything is, but the grizzled old guy behind the counter knows where absolutely everything is. I used to haunt a place like that in the Pittsburgh area. In spite of the chains, they still had a few of those still hanging in there. but in the larger suburban areas and so on. The supply chain has collapsed to a significant degree. I have a dimmer switch in my truck. One of these simple little generic step-on-it toggling switches that switches you back and forth between high and low beams. The first one lasted 20 years. That was undoubtedly USA made. Since then I have been replacing them at least every year and generally quicker than that. The Chinese manufactured replacements have a modest cost. They probably wholesale for 40 cents, but they cost $10. And last on average probably 10 months. And the way you find out that there's something wrong is you're driving down the road at night and your headlights turn off. and you're frantically kicking and wiggling at the thing with your toe and then they come on and then they'll go on for five minutes and they'll go off again and you just gotta hope that you don't hit anything or anybody in the meantime. Swap the thing in it and it's solid again for another nine or ten months. I have written to NAPA saying, hey, these things are doo-doo. Can you get any from US manufacturers? Or barring that, at least Japanese or Taiwan or something, I haven't heard a thing from them in a week. Apparently, they can't. Or they get too many of those and they disregard them, or whatever the case may be. But we continue to collapse the supply chain and we see it in ways big and small. Any time we try to stress the supply chain doing something a little bit more out of the mainstream than buying a box of Cheerios. Questions, comments, etc. before I move on. No, actually right in line with what we're seeing here as far as logistics train even from China sport slash from the slave labor camps Number one, we know quality has been a problem. But the other thing we're seeing is people are making multiple orders like from deal extreme They'll have 10 or 12 items Well one will show up two will show up from another part of the of the order and then the rest are like well We don't have them and it's not like it's a significant widget or that it's a real expensive widget. In fact, nothing to deal with is that expensive to begin with. But it's just in stasis because they're not cranking over or tooling over to make the part. Even though those parts are actually listed as in stock, now they will show you and tell you on the order on the page, it'll tell you out of stock. In this case it's just for whatever reason I guess that on time delivery system just doesn't have to be on time anymore which we kinda warned everybody about. What happens when it starts out is just in time and then it ends up as, oh sorry about that. Yeah and the problem is that again we got everybody convinced to ship all this tech overseas and there's no replacement for it here. So we had better start thinking about improvising adapting and overcoming this situation because it's going to become an issue more and more You know where you like for instance in your case BK well number one the American ones are long gone if you're lucky and you look around you might find them at a car swap meet Beyond that the next step is going to the dash with the toggle You know rerouting the wire going up north because it'll get it on a minor conventional toggle switch Probably require a household because you know you'd be surprised how many amps a you know headlight Oh, yeah, nice, but it's occurred to me the patch in a relay and put a little toggle switch on the dash to control a real life Exactly another thing here real quick is again Backups to backups, guys. If you're looking for a part or if you're looking for something, don't throw away the information on the alternative sites you may have found or the alternative locations. Keep everything on file until you have what you need in inventory. If it turns out that you have to keep waiting and waiting, it's kind of like these ammunition back orders. There's some ammo showing up here and there, but it is obvious now, I mean, and talking to the people in the industry, nothing is coming in in any massive waves. Yeah, the manufacturers say, well, we're cranking around the clock and we're producing it and so on and so forth. Shipping it off to the distributors, the retail shops are complaining they aren't getting any. Exactly. In fact, just in reverse, we were seeing a progressive depletion, which is what I warned everybody about. And now, well, what month is it? September. You know, BK, now we're getting into the deer season. And that's when all the rest of this ammunition, everybody thought they could waddle out, pick up whatever they want. It was going to be sitting right there. Here where we are, the shelves have not replenished. Meyers Shifty Takers, which is a major box store, Meyers, you know, Thrifty Acres, Meyers, has a pretty good size, you know, ammunition cabinet. Completely empty. They got some 270 ammo and like I said, somebody's hawking that because as soon as it comes in, for some reason they've got a little bit of 270 in the warehouse. When the guy buys it, they replace the exact amount. Within three or four days that's gone and they do it again, but nothing else is showing up not even black powder pellets now There were some black powder ball You know pre-loads, you know resets That was the last black powder to leave the the store and there hasn't been any black powder or pyro decks or anything in sense So that's just an example and what is this September? There should have been some catch up by now. Now there's shot shells, but even in the shot shells whole sections now have evacuated and have not been replaced. certain things big pile up there's a whole bunch of 16 gauge slugs over at that Myers if anybody needs 16 gauge slugs and a lot of people have 16 gauge and that's the odd man out yeah can we put it on the lathe and turn it down to 12 squeeze it or blow it up a little bit you got to expand a little bit beat it out remember that's 12 oh yeah that's right so you got a hammer on it beat on the end with the ball peen and stretch it out a little bit you'll be fine no you won't But, yeah, that's the problem. And again, all of this on time and just in time and don't worry it'll be that, no it's not, and we have no back inventory. I just had this happen with an auto part the other day again. I went in to check on it. They said, oh yeah, we got, no we don't. And then they said, well we'll order it. Oh, wait a minute. Well, it's going to be whenever they get it because our warehouse doesn't have it either. And it was like, OK, this is nothing but a stupid cap. And yeah, I know, and it's a very common cap. You should usually have three of them sitting in the shed. It goes, yeah, I know, but we don't have any, and the warehouse doesn't have any, and they're going to have to wait to see where they get it from. So it's like, hmm, well, let's go to the scrap yard or go to the junkyard. and find a wreck and take it off into the derelict which may have the same wear. So this is the only thing, I don't have a problem with doing part swaps guys, I've done that for decades. I understand completely how to do that. But remember that if you don't save them all, the better ones are going to the scrap yard and being chipped and the ones that are being saved may or may not be the best spare parts choice. Humvees used to be the same way, they take a bad part off a Humvee and then go over to the wreck part, you know, the parts on the shelf that were rated for how bad they were. and they'd take the best of the worst that was left. Yeah, you pull the one off the right hand side, that's the good side, and you insert the one that you just pulled and stick it somewhere in the middle of the series based on your estimate of how bad it is. Exactly. Tell you what, go ahead BK, I know we got more to cover and we've also got Joe there, I want to get him up online with a few things too, go ahead. Right, okay, so in line with that, I was at the local Wall-E's recently. Last week we went over the web trick. to examine their inventory and that used to work and it looks like this week it doesn't work anymore. Maybe they're listening to us, I don't know. But at any rate, so you know, I poked around and said, okay, this isn't stock, that's out of stock and go to the Wall-E's and take a look and see how that works out. show up magically on the day when something is in stock. Ta-da! And that didn't work. I showed up and the shelves are almost entirely bare. There's a little bit of this. There's a box of this and a box of that. I think there was one box of $2.43 at this one. There was no 30-06, there was no 30-30. I think there might have been one or two boxes of 45 ACP. The one thing that they had in any reasonable quantity was a state brand 12-gauge double-ought buck at $20 for 25 round box. Now, looking at it, a state brand has a reasonably good reputation. depending on who you talk to it's either manufactured in France or Minnesota. According to the web it's one of the ATK companies that's the the corporation that is eaten federal and CCI and you know Hercules and all of those other manufacturing companies so you know it's under the same umbrella as many of those other manufacturers but the estate 12 gauge at least was in stock so that's one thing I noticed. Doing a quick run through the components suppliers, the usual suspects once again are doing the usual stuff. If you want medium rifle powder 4007 SSC from Powder Valley Inc appears to be the easily accessible choice Powder Valley basically has no primers except Shedite shot shell primers and the X39 and 762 Berdan's. Both of those being in Berdan's. If you've got Berdan brass, get the Berdan primers. If you don't have Berdan brass, get the Berdan primers anyway. Somebody else will have them or somebody will be shooting that up in your neighborhood and you can, you know, snarf that up off the ground after they're gone. whatever the case may be, having some of that burdened primer on hand will be an asset. Of course we're saying, you know, gee, it would be a good idea to have this, a good idea to have that, there's lots of things it would be a good idea to have, we all have very, very limited resources. You have to decide between canned peaches and 22LR or whatever the case may be. I understand if somebody is squawking and saying, man, I have to make tougher choices than that. But if you can afford it, pick up five or ten thousand of the Bourdain primers and put them on the shelf. It's an asset that will prove of value. One other thing that I saw at WALL-E that was interesting, they go in and out of stock. Apparently they make big buys of things. Once again, they have the sterile crates that I like, the plastic sterile crates. They routinely have these off in the office supply section because this crate is designed so that Across the short dimension you can hang a regular letter size file folder and across the long dimension you can hang a legal size file folder. So that fixes the dimensions of this crate which insulates you somewhat against design changes and shaving down of material and so on. There's only a very limited degree to which they can tinker the design of that thing and remain compatible with their primary mission. That being the case, you get a fairly nice plastic crate. It's easy to spot. It's got circular holes in the sides, molded in all over the place. And I like those for general purpose matrix storage. That is, those aren't the strongest things. You don't want to be piling letting goods in there or ammunition or whatnot. You can put canned goods in them for the first bottom and maybe second row. But they do stack and they do rack. That is, they've got tabs on the side so that stacks of them can kind of interlock to a degree. They won't fall over if you don't overload them. but that is a very nice general purpose storage system if you choose that for some corner of the house garage basement whatever it is and get you know 16 or 20 or some number of them get them all at once so you get a kit because you can't count on these things being available next month if they sell out a big batch it may be a year or three before they have another batch at a good price normally in the Stationary small office area, they want five, six dollars a piece for these guys, which I consider excessive. Right now they have them heaped up in big piles in every color you can imagine in the stores at three dollar and sixty seven cents, if I recall correctly. It's definitely under four, but I think it's three sixty seven or three sixty nine, one of those. I do like those. You can stack those things. You can store any medium weight stuff. You can put in rifle cleaning materials in our wads and patches, batteries, mittens, stationary supplies, all the thousand and one things that consume your shelf space can be put in these crates. and they can be stacked vertically and they can be racked horizontally. So if you set up, say, a matrix of five wide and four tall or something along those lines, there's not a lot of stacking and unstacking to be done to get anything in that pile, but you've got 20 crates right in a small footprint. So that is a system that I like. If you keep the mass of those down to a reasonable level, they are also easily handable by anybody. They may not quite meet Mark's 20-pound rule, but, you know, easily 30 pounds, which means that if you needed to move that heap on fairly short notice, it's not an invisible thing to do. So, and it's certainly a lot easier to move than a set of shelves because you can grab all the stuff off the shelves, but then moving the shelves is kind of a pain. So, I very much do advocate those plastic crates as an available storage mechanism that's easily available off the shelf right now. at Wally World and they have them in every color you can possibly imagine, mostly non-tactical colors, you know, brilliant purple and God knows what. But they are cheap and they are serviceable if you don't overload them terrifically and good for an awful lot of your storage needs and then you can use the heavy shelves for the things that go in ammo cans and weigh a lot. So $3.67 a piece currently at the WALL-E and they will probably sell out in about a month. So if you decide to go for that, go for it. Take a little tape measure, figure out what kind of footprint you want to cover. Say, oh, this piece of the garage, this piece of the basement, this piece of the spare bedroom, whatnot. Decide whether you want to go one deep or two deep, how tall you want to go, that sort of thing. And get that number all in one whack because you don't know whether they will be available in the future. Questions, comments? No, go right ahead, please. Alright. Well, in that case, I want to bring up one last and very interesting thing before we kick over and bring in Joe and perhaps spend the rest of the hour talking about his topics. One of our friends sent me something quite a while ago, quite interesting and unusual, something I had never heard of. and I had no idea where to fit this in but I figure well you know eventually we have to. I have been recommending to everybody that you get out there and you scrounge around and you see who has used wheel weights and snarf them up. Well I've not been having a lot of success doing that. I've succeeded at that in the past in recent months I have been coming up goose eggs. Every place I stop, places that I have had success in the past I go in and inquire and they say, well, we have a guy that comes around and pays us for them now. And so on. So I may have been hoist by my old petard. For all we know, I may be losing all those wheelways to somebody who's heard this hour. But most of it is probably just commercial metal mopping. The one thing that I would point out is a lot of those weights are zinc nowadays. Fewer and fewer of them are the traditional lead alloy. Well, what do you do with zinc? One of the thoughts is that zinc is pretty much a a waste metal is not useful for a lot you don't want to get it in your uh... bullet casting mix and so on uh... what can we possibly do with it well one of our friends pointed out something that i'd never heard of if you look at a uh... site called mat web dot com that is m a t w e b dot com it's a materials website it talks about all sorts of alloys and metals and so forth. There's an alloy there called ZA27. It stands for Zinc Alloy-27. For variants, just go ahead and choose the Sandcast one as a good option. And it's a very, very interesting alloy. It consists of roughly 25% aluminum and roughly 75% zinc. there are some minor inclusions. One of them is that magnesium is present at 0.02%. Now that's not a typo, 0.02%. So that's two parts per thousand, but that is actually a deliberate inclusion. Whereas iron, for instance, is present at something like three to four times that much, and that's just an impurity. So it is very, very weird that a specified ingredient is in there in such a minuscule quantity, but at the same time even less than a recognized impurity like iron. That being the case, however, this alloy that's primarily aluminum and zinc has some remarkable characteristics. Its compressive strength is 48,000 psi. Its tensile strength at yield is 53,000 psi. That stuff is darn near as the next best thing to a mild steel. and it's less dense than that too and it's largely made of metals that you would not want to use in place of most steel applications. So that's one of those, Mark has spoken, well you know you could build a Glock frame out of brass or something. Well, made it out of this, it would be lighter than brass and stronger. So this is a very interesting alloy. recommended use is listed as bearings. I'm not sure why it is. It must be hard. It says when it's hardened with steel ball that means, you know, probably means it's, you know, a surface hardened with shot if I'm reading that correctly. But anyway, it describes it as a Brinnell hardness of 90, which means really, really hard stuff. You know, Rockwell A of 45. So, it may be brittle for all I know, but it's certainly strong and hard stuff, probably provides a good surface. So if you had to do a sliding type assembly, you know, like slides for instance of semi-auto or something along those lines, it'd probably be pretty suitable for that. So that is a remarkably interesting alloy. It's made primarily out of aluminum and zinc. So take a look at the ZA-27 alloy and note that there is a use for zinc that I had not anticipated and is probably not widely known. Either it's about 75% zinc, 72% zinc, something like that. So, there is a use for a material that's otherwise not all that useful generally for other things. Comments? No, go right ahead. Again, advantage, well, again, from the factory, so to speak. Go ahead, please. All right, so this evening we have a guest. We have Joe on air. As I said earlier on in the program, if anybody wanted to call in with specific questions about gardening and such like that, now is the time to do it. I believe Joe has prepared a little segment largely about permaculture. Is that correct? Yeah, we're going to be looking at permaculture as well as what we've got in store for us in the upcoming season for Relatively beginning gardeners unless other questions of course come in okay. Well very good I'm still in the process of spitting out my side garden man. That is a job I if I had a mini excavator for an hour I could I could complete the job and just dust off my hands and be done as I've been you know flailing away I've been the the the shovel monkey at intervals but it is making progress and you know chainsawing some roots out of there and so forth when I'm done I plan to be able to look at that and say okay I know what the composition of that soil is down two feet because it's how far I dug it I don't think other people are maybe going quite that crazy on the projects but now is certainly the time to be preparing things for spring and there are some things that we can plant now perhaps for quickie late harvest or for spring harvest. Is that correct, why don't you take it from there? Yeah, it absolutely is and I just want to say one of the important, there's a couple important tools, you know, if you're uh... dealing with clay soil there's a couple very important tools that are out there in the gardening slash agricultural industry handful that might be very helpful for you the bust up that clay uh... the first thing is called the broad pork so uh... just the broadfork it's basically a large uh... human-powered It's an extremely large fork. You usually have about 7 to 8 to 16 tines. It's usually made of steel. And you basically put that right into your soil. It goes down into the ground. And using two poles on either end of the instrument, you are then able to rock back and forth. So that thereby busting up the soil. The second tool that we would use to bust up your clay soils would be gypsum. gypsum is an excellent additive to your soils and it tends to be the best thing even before lime or any other sort of calcium additive to bust up your soil. So you basically want to use a pretty decent sized handful. Speaking in terms of what do we have in the upcoming season? What do we want to plant? I'm assuming that if you're out there listening to my voice right now, you're like, who the heck is this guy? why do you tell me what the plant well you know part of being a quarter masters having contingency plan and uh... my contingency plan is permanent i have a permaculture design certificate from the permaculture research institute of australia and what we look at is really designing things uh... when our land to grow so that if our canned foods are dried food We exhaust that supply, we've already got systems in the ground ready to go, so we're not going hungry. So what do we plant now? We've got fall coming up. I'm going to go through a list right now. I'm going to try to do that relatively slowly. When I get on air, I am excited and tend to go quick in the interest of time. But nonetheless, here we go. These are things that most people listening right now can plant and as long as you tend to it you'll get a decent harvest. These are fall vegetables. Here we go. Sweet potatoes, potatoes, scallions, onion sets, garlic, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, parsnips, celery, Salariac root, acorn squash, which have a thick skin that can survive the frost, that's acorn squash, rutabaga, in some climates ginger, fennel, pumpkin, and then we go into some of the herbs like mint, parsley, cilantro, and sage. You could also plant mushrooms about this time. Now would be a great time to, if you have like an indoor or outdoor mushroom patch, this would be a great time to get that started. Almonds, now we're getting into trees, fruits and nut trees. Good time in the fall to plant these kinds of things like almonds, walnuts, chestnuts. If you're in more of a warm temperate climate, it's a good time to think about planting pomegranates. as well as citrus fruits. And on the kiwi issue, there is a breed of kiwi that is hardy to zone 6A. It's called the I-Sci kiwi. That's I-S-S-A-I. And that's a cold, hardy kiwi. Believe it or not, there's also a cold, hardy avocado. So these are things that right now you should think about planting and if I didn't mention lettuce, lettuce is an old trick so just keep that lettuce going. Questions, comments, follow-ups. Right, various of the lettuce. There are a few that are bred to be late lettuces. They're resistant to what's called bolting in the heat. I'm sure that they're only somewhat resistant. But in general, lettuces, whether you're talking about romaine, iceberg or leaf lettuces, tend to be cool weather crops. So those are primarily spring and fall type crops, but rather fast growing, is that correct? That's absolutely correct, an excellent loose leaf variety of lettuce that is resistant to bolting is called revolution, believe it or not. And it tastes really good too. The other one browsing the catalogs and so on, I don't know if this is a lettuce or a different category, is arugula. Yeah, arugula is an edible, I guess nowadays they call it a microgreen. It's got a nutty sort of finish, like once you're eating it, it's good for salads. And arugula is really easy to grow. I mean, you just throw the seeds in the ground and cover it up a little bit and just neglect the hell out of it, and you'll get a pretty good crop. That's my favorite procedure. Me too. I mean, hey, you know, if it's going to grow without me having to work out in the cold. i'm all for it now is that something that the critters will be able to smell and go to dig up should we have throw uh... you know a couple layers of plastic chicken wire on the ground or something like that to get in their way or can we skip that stage or uh... how's that go well you know if we think about what the season and we you know the critters know that the process coming you're always going to have the threat of critter damage what no matter what you plan Especially with deer. Deer on a white snow-capped landscape or on a brown landscape where all they see is brown, brown dead grass during the fall when the grain stops. They're going to see a change in pattern in the landscape. Raccoons are notorious for that as well. So we do want to protect our crops from the critters. There are certain tricks I think that some folks use that I use to ward them off. And that would be basically creating a perimeter around our growing area using things that they don't like. But even using that method you're still going to have some losses. And if you're trying to plan out your fall even your spring garden, you always want to plant more of everything just in case something happens and gets in there. So, if you have a question, yes. Right, my thought on that, my general attitude is that you can exert yourself to a certain extent to prevent losses and there is a point of diminishing returns and then you can exert yourself a little bit to plant extra to cover for the losses and there is a point of diminishing returns. So, you really have to use probably both of those naturally being a creature of the technological age. My inclinations along the direction of my expectation and my plan is to put up chicken wire on insulated posts and heat that up, shall we say, as my first line of defense. Another line of defense inside the garden might be, for instance, products from our friend Bruce Buckshot. You might put some little surprises and gifts in the garden to, shall we say, receive visitors. And of course the final approach is to just create a bit more and expect to have some of them get away. I have a hard time, you know. being you know getting personally mad at the little box turtles I don't know I don't think they're cute you know but at least I can pick them up and carry them somewhere else outside the fence and you know get rid of those guys but darn the raccoons and you know deer and their ability to jump over things is a little bit difficult to deal with and if you're in a built-up area where a loud noise would draw on a Tract an unwanted attention, then your options at dealing with the deer are limited. So, you know, find a little extra. Yeah, oh, there's no doubt. Let me just tag team off that for a second, BK. You know, not only do you want to put up that sort of fencing and maybe add some traps into your system, which Bruce would obviously the best person to get that data from if you're not familiar with it. uh... i think it's buckshot survival hour i've i've heard that on lpr in the past right and he has a website as near dash trapped ash survive dot com that is near dash trapped ash survive dot com will throw a little plug there you know i'm sure you can uh... use the business in definitely supply you with equipment and advice on how to use it there you go and uh... you know one one little for folks that have a lot of deer I know that when I was living in the woods, I was really competing for like four hours of full sun per day for the crops and plants that I was growing. There's a little trick here. If you can get a poly or plastic fence that's about eight feet high, Deer cannot jump over that, but in order for you to have an intact fence where they're not trying your defenses, it's important to plant streamers, ribbon streamers, such as surveyors tape. You'll need to tie that in the center of each panel. I'm trying to be general here because I don't know how much land folks out there are working with, but if you can tie a streamer on each panel between each fence post, uh... that will actually below in the wind will be a visual indicator for the deer that hey this thing too high can't jump over it in writing that you don't want it to look like they can make it even if they can't because then they'll try and uh... you know if they give it a shot even if they end up belly flopping onto your fans your candidate they're going to do a number on your fancy definitely wanted to be uh... highly visible to them that there is a barrier there uh... i also kind of like the idea of a barrier that bites They can nose up to see what's what and something bites them on the nose. I think that's probably considerable discouragement. Chicken wire is highly visible, but once you go over four or five feet, then you've got to do something else. Absolutely. Speaking of barriers that bite, if you're interested in warding off deer using a very low visibility barrier that has several watts behind it so to speak. One trick that we've used is setting up an electrical wire approximately four and a half maximum of five feet off the ground that's connected obviously to an electrical source. It could be solar powered. And at various points what you'll do is you'll take some aluminum foil and coat that with peanut butter. And it's going to be like a peanut butter that's made out of foil, which will conduct electricity. So when the deer come up to investigate, we've set it at that height, four and a half to five feet. and that's right at their nose height and they're going to be drawn to the peanut butter as soon as that happens they're going to get an electrical shock which will condition them away from that AO or area of operation for them. Yeah, they'll come in, they'll find something of interest and they'll discover that they don't really like being in that area of interest. That's exactly right. And there's actually organic farmers that only have a single electrified line or wire using that peanut butter tactic and over the course of a couple years they've only had to turn it on two or three times because they've already conditioned the local deer population based on that principle. It's an easy way to conserve electricity if the grid's turned off, for example. Go ahead. Yeah, I think that I need to keep the chicken wire hot because of the raccoons and everything else, too. But, yeah, the deer, at least, being larger mammals, are probably rather conditioned. raccoons don't seem to learn from experience. I've gone charging out onto my deck with an air rifle and they just kind of look at me like, you know, what are you doing on my deck? Insolent little buggers. So even if you're casual, these have not discouraged them. I have yet to find an ultimate solution for them. I did find that Tacking up chicken wire all around the perimeter greatly discouraged their adventures because it cuts off their roots of quick egress. This business of fading back out under the bench or something and out through the bars doesn't work when there's chicken wire all around. So while they can come in, they are cautious enough to stay clear of areas that they can't escape quickly. So that's been my most successful tactic so far. yet indeed and uh... i would add to that that you know i know some people uh... you know have animals and some people can have animals but uh... i would put the uh... search string out there for folks listening that if there is uh... and a raccoon problem or any other animal problem there's what we call our livestock guardian dog special breed of live dot guardian dog out there like the pyrenees dogs that Well, they enjoy being out in cold weather, even up in Michigan, in that climate. They enjoy being out in that weather. And I'll tell you, you'll save a lot of money if you've got yourself a livestock guardian dog. But then again, you are responsible for maintaining the animal. So that's another option if you want to take on that level of responsibility. Yeah, there are some varieties that look kind of like a sheep, blend right in with the sheep and become a little protective and proprietary of them and the coyotes and stuff get a surprise when they come sniffing around the sheep and something with actual teeth comes running out of the flock. So, yeah, that works if you're operating on a larger scale. I have this vision of deer touching my chicken wire fence, getting a shock and jumping backwards through the bathroom window of the next door neighbor. So that would certainly be a surprise for them. I'd suggest it would be more like a big thump on the wall. But when we're in a more built up area, we have other constraints as well. So can you go through the quick principles of permaculture and do you have any any canned examples that you can tell us of two or three species combinations that might work on a small scale? Yeah, I might have to go out of season on this one, but basically, for that particular issue, there's basically three principles to permaculture. Now, you know, permaculture's got a pretty bad rap because people think it's communist, but just cheer me out. And I'm not a green weenie, I have to tell you, every time I go into my garden, I am armed with the teeth with significant firepower, and there's significant firepower in the garden. uh... just in case so you know the one thing is that in permaculture we want to do things that are going to care for the land that were all we don't want to pollute the hell out of the land because we're going to be product out of that one muted second thing is that we want to care for the people that are supported off that land on muted family you know you don't want to put it away and eat those fruit and then poison your family And then the third ethic or principle of permaculture is that we want to do things that are going to return surplus back to the land or the people. And this is the sticky point. This is where people who first investigate permacultures sound like, well, wait a minute. Return of surplus is a communist principle. Okay. Well, let's call it profit, you know? Exactly. And people that practice permaculture should be profiting madly. I mean, there's 100,000% profit off of one ear of corn. You plant the seed and you get all these other seeds off of one ear of corn, for example. So, you know, we want to think about those things when we make decisions about whatever scope we're on, whether we're on the urban landscape, where we have a postage stamp-sized piece of land, or we're out in the middle of As Ed said earlier, BFE, you know, we're working on 10 or 20 or 100 or 300 acres. You had asked about combinations of plants that work well together. That is a concept that we refer to as companion planting. The general principle with companion planting is that if you eat them together, they tend to grow together in a beneficial way. So, as I said earlier, I'm a little out of season on this, but if you plant your tomatoes... Does that mean we can plant garlics and pork chops together? Well, you could probably get the pigs to till the ground up so you could plant your garlic. But yeah. Just gotta tether that pig next to it, but just not so close he enjoys the meal. Yeah, that's reminiscent of the city slicker joke. I planted all of these chickens and none of them sprouted. What am I doing wrong? Exactly. So, tomatoes and basil are a great companion planting. If you think about lettuce and radishes, Cabbage, that's an awesome companion planting. They'll benefit each other. There's also, if you have problems with your soil, generally if you plant flowering species, marigold and other sorts of flowers around your vegetable crops, whether they be eggplants or tomatoes or generally those flat wave those covers that question. Yeah, to a degree that's sort of spring planting type operations, so wouldn't they be? Now and I think like right now you are interested in planting things that would benefit each other for the fall, we would think about turnips, radishes right off the bat. These are things that mature at different rates in the same piece of land. Because of that, because you have root crops with root crops, you're dealing with different levels of depth and You can also throw in lettuce if you wanted to. And we call something like that a polyculture. Many cultures. Many apps on that one patch of... of course uh... we're talking to people in all sorts of planning zones there are people in louisiana they can probably do what we would consider uh... you know fall gardening all the way into december and i imagine people in the press can month and are pretty much done right now but uh... you know there's and there's everything in between i'm in zone six so i probably have another month or six weeks for things before uh... you know first frost There's a whole range in between, so you're going to have to vary a little bit based on your area. There are lettuces that are rated for 30 days, aren't there? Absolutely. Most of your loose leaf lettuces are rated for 30 days. The black-seated Simpson lettuce is an excellent one to choose a very resilient heirloom or heritage line. So that might be something that you would think about. Oh yeah, and here's the thing, I had forgotten to mention this, we were talking about Wally. One of the other things I saw in a Wally recently, they had kiddie pools on clearance. They looked like they were about five feet in diameter, about a foot to a foot and a half deep, at six dollars a piece, you know, single molded vacuum, molded sheet of plastic basically. I expect those are not the best plastic. They probably don't have a lot of UV inhibitors in there on the assumption that they'll be used only a few times. So you might want to spray those with a plastic loving paint to shield them from the sun. But anybody that thinks that, well, I really can't plow things up or I've only got a deck or whatnot, what can I do with container gardening? Well, One of those at five feet diameter is an awful lot more planting area than the same money spent on two five gallon pails. So that is a possibility. That's a fair sized chunk of plastic. You could probably grow even a melon vine in one of those. For instance, one melon in one of those or three or four tomatoes come spring or what have you. So, you know, kiddie pools at six bucks in WALL-E right now. So anyway, go ahead. Oh, no, I appreciate you bringing that up because that actually hints to a point I wanted to make to everybody who's listening. Permaculture is really about using what you have on hand and getting the most out of it. So if you only have a 10 foot by 10 foot section on your deck of full sun, yeah, let's go get the kiddie pulls from Wally's, drill some holes in the bottom, bring in a few several bags of potting soil. uh... get yourself started use what you have one hand if this is something that mark talks about quite a bit if you listen to what he says about container gardening and bucket gardening use what you've got on hand don't waste anything don't throw anything away and the same principle can be used with that kiddie pool as anything else if you don't have the go vertical Build a trellis and let those things grow. Right up that trellis, you are maximizing the space you have. The vegetables will give you plenty of yield, and all you've really got to do is chop up your remainders and let it go right back into that potting soil you put in there in the fall. So over winter it decomposes and you've got nutrients ready to rock and roll for the spring. Right, if you wanted to build a trellis or a cage or hang something that could go underneath whatever it is that you're hanging. And it could go with you if you have to evacuate later on if it's a rented property and so on. You don't have to dig around in the dirt. That makes your garden somewhat movable. I wouldn't call it portable, but it's movable. That's right. I wanted to add in one other point. I know we're getting somewhat, we're pretty close to the top. If you guys out there are really new at gardening and this is your first year, here's a really good piece of free advice. Get online and order as many seed catalogs or gardening supply catalogs as you can. 90% of them out there are free. and you will learn all kinds of things because the goal of these catalogs is to teach you just enough about gardening to get you to buy seed or supplies from them. So get your free catalogs. It's free information, it's free instruction, something that you can keep in paper form. You can browse it and you'll learn incredible detail about all kinds of things. Not to mention the websites as well. A lot of information in there, some of them videos and so forth. We'll also toss in before we run out a last minute or two. Now is the time to be ordering garlic bulbs. They aren't shipping just yet, but they're taking the orders and the websites are saying that they're selling out already. So, you know, get in your order now. Bear in mind that the return on garlic is low. Rule of thumb is you plant one pound, you'll be able to harvest ten pounds. So it's not one of those plant a lettuce seed that weighs a millionth of a gram and you get a whole lettuce plant. You do want to order a pound or two or ten of garlic, depending on how much space you've got. Yes, and do not plant garlic from the supermarket if it is not labeled organic because all of the Chinese garlic, most of the garlic that's coming in now in the United States is grown in China with cytotoxic growth inhibitors, so you're not going to get a good yield, you will waste a year. The fall is the time to plant garlic. Order good seed supply garlic if it's available. and uh... there's a couple sources grow organic dot com as well as territorial dot com still have supplies of garlic Yeah, those are the two big ones that I would have called out. The other thing is that you do want to plant them in the fall, and they are to be harvested in the spring or summer, depending on whether they are early or late varieties. So get a couple, three different kinds, hard and soft stem, early and late varieties, and you'll be able to spread out your harvest of that particular crop. diversity is what we're looking for with the crops we grow because we want to stagger succession. We want to stagger our harvest in time. Alright, well we are at the top, Mark. And if everybody out there listening, Quartermaster, doesn't stop with this program. It's all through the weekend and the rest of the week. Permaculture, the concept of developing any number of different systems, but doing it in such a way, as is pointed out, that it's friendly to the environment. That's something we've kind of gotten into with the overlap. Passive and into the natural environment, guys. That kiddie pool, when you do have to paint it, if you want to make sure it lasts longer, those porch paints come in tactical colors. those you know lawn chair color plastics so pick one that kind of matches your environment with the eyes cannot see the heart does not long for it. And you only have to paint the part that's above the ground anyway. Yeah exactly it's just a neutral and just break it up that blue does kind of attract the eye and by the way that's why they did that. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. We and our garlic are on the march post, day and night. Ah, Montju, the garlic and everything, the bread, the cheese, and even my wine. Oh, Montju, thank you, Joe. You stay down, wind. And, bro, appreciate it, guys. And we'll be back and take it over now. Thank you, BK. Ah, you're welcome. Goodnight, love!