August 21, 2013
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1h 1m
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On August 21, 2013, Mark Koernke and Don Butcher discussed weapons and self-defense on Weapons Wednesday, covering edged weapons from the Kershaw catalog, 1911 pistols, concealed carry methods, and car defense tactics. The show shifted to border security issues when caller Henry from Oregon reported on Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio's controversial warning that armed militia members conducting desert patrols could be shot by his deputies. Callers Larry from Wisconsin and others raised concerns about National Guard activations and a planned national power grid drill, drawing parallels to past government operations like Waco and 9/11.
- weapons wednesday
- 1911 pistol
- concealed carry
- kershaw knives
- arizona sheriff joe arpaio
- border patrol
- militia
- self-defense
- power grid drill
- national guard activation
- waco siege
- preparedness
- second amendment
- desert patrol
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Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children and people... Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Both sons of the Republic arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic and each God given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dill the land of the good evening ladies and gentlemen, this is the intelligence report I'm Nancy Corn Key and I'm Don Butcher Good evening Don. This is of course, oh goodness, we are looking at the 21st of August now as the day begins to draw to a close this afternoon. This is of course weapons Wednesday and you are listening to us on Liberty Tree radio also on micro am at FM stations across the nation on the ground grandma Bell Consortium and the in the progress of the Golden Spike Project And the Liberty Tree net as well and a myriad of other ways that people are listening in. Don't forget our are mirror broadcasters that are simulcasting this as we speak, Indiana Freedom Network Radio. Of course there are other ways in which we do not even know. There are so many ways in which you can listen to this broadcast, sometimes a day or two later. But I understand there's also CB, people with CBs that rebroadcast it that way as well. Don, what do you have for us this weapons Wednesday? Well, let me do this here and we've got that I'll be taking care of in just a moment. I did shoot three short bullets today, run them out of the 1911 here because I haven't shot the gun in a while and well, if you continue to cycle, that's gone Eddie, thank you. And if you continue to, you know, drop one in the chamber as you hear every now and then. I think I'll do that now and abuse the hell out of the extractor there. But one in the chamber and the slide jumps the battery and now we're going to introduce that magazine to the magazine well and we're going to tell everybody it is Weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure and there most certainly is plenty more where that came from. And Mark would continue with now we can offer equal opportunity resistance and force and you know the bad guys at any rate it is Weapons Wednesday, the 21st day of August. I think that's pretty true there. We could go in a number of different directions, you guys. Did you ever get that Kershaw catalog? Kershaw is its own nice manufacturer. I picked up one of those catalogs. Actually, it was sent here to my brother. My brother has been gone almost a year now, but it came in the mail the other day to my brother. That's kind of a little reminder. It's a tearjerker and pulls at the heartstrings and all of that. My brother got a catalog today, or the other day. It's a Kershaw catalog. Kershaw built some real nice knives you guys. You know, edged weapons. It is a weapons Wednesday isn't it? Even if we did just do the drill with the 1911. I love my 1911 but we're not going to talk about that right now. Now back to that catalog and the Kershaw. Kershaw is his own, you know, cutletry. Be it kitchen table stuff or all the way out to skinners and you know things that as well if we were still fielding whalers they'd probably have automatic whalers, skinners. You know, just putting in one end and out comes everything but the way I want the other. At any rate, look through that Kershaw catalog, you guys, if you see it. I don't think you're going to see it at your dentist office. You know, you might see it down at the local gun store. If you don't get it delivered to you, maybe your buddy does. But you might see it down at the local gun store too, unless you live in California. Where if you go through the Kershaw catalog, you see not available to deliver in California. And then you're looking at real cool things like, you know, Mark talks about drywall hammers. You know, a hammer on one side and a little bit of axe on the other for trimming drywall so it sits here and there, but... Oh, they've got real fighting axes in the Kershaw catalog, real tomahawks. They've even got a tomahawk that's a peace pipe. Wow, I don't know how sturdy that would be. There's some counter addiction in there somehow. Either you smoke the peace pipe with us or we split your skull. Something like that. Or we split your skull and then we smoke the peace pipe or something. I don't know. But that stuff really does exist, you guys. Right there in the Kershaw catalog. But there are some really neat replicas of Let's do this because you know at the beginning of World War II there. It's like we had like 14,000 bayonets. That seems like a whole lot of bayonets. That's enough to fill a couple small rooms. But 14,000 bayonets is barely what went ashore at the D-Day in June 6, 1944. So there had to be a whole lot more. And the government put out a call that says, hey, all of these custom knife manufacturers, they put out a basic specification. I don't remember what it was, 6 and 3 quarters, 7 and a quarter. It had to be a full tang and it had to be leather stacked on the end. It had to have a buoy knife separation. So a lot of custom knife makers came up with their answer to what Uncle Sam wanted for a bayonet. They look pretty much like each other. Some of them are ever so slightly different. Because they were made by different manufacturers, there's no question about it. There was a basic specification that was met across the board, but some of them are better than others. Some of them are collectible these days. It's muted. He unmuted. 29,000 of them while the other guy made 740 and the other guy made 900 and blah blah blah. 900,000 that is. At any rate, you look at those dinky numbers like 17,000 or something, those are collectible knives. Back to that Kershaw catalog. In the Kershaw catalog, there are some replicas of some of them. If they didn't say replica on the blade, or in the official recognition of what they truly are, you couldn't tell the difference you guys. It looks like it just came right out of, wow this guy sure kept his knife up to date. So there are some bits of history in the Kershaw catalog too. The other thing is there are some machetes. Now they come up with this one guy, I don't recognize his name, but apparently he's a really bigwig in the knife designing world. I can't remember his name, it's not like... you know, Charlie Brown in the 1911 world, Charles Brown, you know. But he does some pretty neat things. One of the things he does, Nancy, is comes up with what he calls a fighting machete. Yeah. And it's half an inch thick at the base of the blade. Wow. So, yeah, there's some heft there and some, you know, as you get that swinging, it's going to continue right through some of what Mark would call the soft, gooey parts. It'll continue right through them. And there's also something very similar to what is, oh, I'm trying to think of the Arab sword, a cemeter. And if you guys have ever picked up a cemeter, You pick up other blades, you know, you pick up the katana, the medium length Japanese fighting sword and it's felt, it's... It's Swab and Debonir. It's barely there. It's enough to fight. It's nothing compared to what one might call the old claymore there out of Ireland and Scotland. Something a man could almost lean on and go to sleep if he wanted. Sturdy. Sturdy would be a word there, yes. But you pick up that cemeter. And the way it is built with the weight toward the tip, it seems to, even if you're holding it with both hands, it seems to pull you to the battle. There's that basic feeling of it wants to go this way. We talked earlier in the day about things and, you know, well, what you control over them and whatnot. But that scimitar feels like it wants to run to the battle, so to speak. Now, there's a scimitar or something very similar to a scimitar in the current Kershaw catalog. If you are looking at fighting-edged weapons, I would take that scimitar and not exactly a claymore compared to the samurai sword almost every time. This goes over to, and we have talked about this before, sturdiness versus quickness. That light blade, and we have talked about this too. We could go back into ancient times. There is what they call a rapier in there. It's kind of a misnomer because it's a very skinny blade, but it is a flat blade. There are other names for that sword out of Middle European times. Rapiers go over to the fencing blades that are almost car antennas. There's a rapier which is very, very skinny. There's a saber which is heavier and four or six sided. If you've ever picked up a fencing sword, it's not round like an antenna. It many times will be four-sided and slightly concave on each side as they progress down in their thickness to the end of the blade. Your standard training or contest blade would have a ball on the end of it so you don't pierce your opponent's lung or heart. At any rate, you take that ball off and you've got quite the little fore-edged weapon with a pretty good tip. It's not the tip like the samurai sword. You can't lean on that as much as you could or even with the aforementioned claymore. What was it that goes back over? It wasn't West Side Story, but one of them other gangster movies when I was a kid. Some guy grabs the antenna off a car and uses it as a weapon, if I remember rightly. That's the thought line of that very fine fencing sword, almost as if they are antenna. With four edges on it and being concaved, cut into those flats, those edges can be rather sharp, Nancy. It's surprising how sharp those can be. And when it is drawn rather rapidly across the throat, a wrist, abdomen, oh, it would lay it open. So, you know, edged weapons. for a short time, there are little desertation on the edged weapons. Thank you. We could go in a number of different directions. We could talk about that 1911, we've done that before. We could talk about side arms in general, just pistols in general, be they revolvers or slide guns. Now, if you look at some of the Berettas, it's almost as if they're not even slide guns anymore. Minimal portions of those guns move rearward. And that's pretty neat. It takes some of the weight out. It takes some of that, you know, complexity out. It offers different ways to move barrels on guns also. So there's some pretty neat little Beretta handguns. They're unique. Well, you can't really say unique. But they stand in almost their own genres as far as slide guns. They don't get real big, do they? I think you might get that up to the particular gun I'm talking about might run up to 9mm. 9mm is medium in the handgun world now. When we talk about things like 44s, 45s, 4.5, 4K Salz and 5.0, you know, what is that, Smith? Right. That .50 caliber Smith? Mm-hmm. At any rate, you know, 9mm, it's, I still wouldn't want to get shot with it, but it's, you know, not exactly, let's take it over here and, you know, hit somebody as hard as we can with it. At any rate, when you're talking about sidearms, they can go, we addressed this earlier in the day, they can go on your belt. That's a standard carry, the holster on the belt. If you're in a civilian mode, there are all kinds of things you can do to carry a gun. When it's not summertime? Well, Nancy, I'm a t-shirt kind of guy. Unless you're wearing that suit to work, most people, by the time it gets to be summer time, most guys are t-shirt guys. They might have that Charlie Sheen polo shirt look, which is a fancy t-shirt. It's a t-shirt with a collar now. It might even have stripes where I'm going with it. It's just upgraded t-shirt really. It's a light torso garment. It's pretty hard to hide that 44 under there, ain't it? It's hard to hide that 1911 under there, too, under a t-shirt or something similar. You know, when you start to get like around six foot and you buy things that are, you know, you're not a rock star, what I mean by that is, you know, I don't wear a skin type. I wear But my genes aren't meant to show off portions of my anatomy. My genes are meant to cover my anatomy and allow me to move. They are loose enough that I can get that kick off to your jaw. My genes are almost like my doe bulk. My genes are almost like my white training uniform. Almost, but not quite. They are a little more restrictive. again, you know, 6'1", 6'2", right in there somewhere. And you wear full-size clothes and they're not real tight. I can put that 1911 in the front pocket of my jeans, you guys. No, it doesn't hang out. Granted, you know, if I sit down, it moves around a little bit and somebody looks right at it and they've got a keen eye, they might discern from those wrinkles and those straight lines there that... I think that guy's got a gun in his pocket and he's, you know, he's happy to have that gun in his pocket. We don't need to elaborate on that. but it can show off there. When you're standing up, it doesn't, even with a t-shirt, you guys, the t-shirt over the top of the pocket and offering the different angle of fabric running across, breaks up the line of the gun. So when I'm standing up with that 1911 in my front pocket of my jeans, a full-size 1911 full-length barrel, it's hidden. It's hard to do in the summertime to hide a full-size 1911, isn't it? Yes, it is. Yeah, this is what the believe it or not you guys in your car You know that little pocket on the door really comes in handy If you don't have children that pocket on the back of the passenger seat really comes in handy if you don't have children the space between the council and Your seat in the car really comes in handy, but now what happens when you get out of the car? What happens when you're making the transition from being a person out there walking around to the car? These are things that you're gonna have to where you're gonna stand there and take it out of your pocket Put it in the pocket in the car in the car door put it over there between the seat and the council so it kind of captures there that's a pretty neat place muzzle straight down and In most cars you're not going to shoot the transmission Older cars novas, you know, oh I'm just trying to think of your older standard setup car where the transmission is actually between the portions of the transmission would be between the passenger and the driver's seat. You get an AD, you know, an accident, you might shoot your transmission. He shot his transmission off. You're not going to do that in all your front-wheel drive cars, you guys. No. And that goes over to, now this goes over to condition of carry, doesn't it? Because if that accidental discharge probably means that there was one in the chamber, So that gun needs to be, you know, you need to pay a little more attention to that gun, not that you don't pay any less attention to any of your handguns while they're with you, you know. But that one in the chamber, that's an argument or a debate that could go on, we could talk about that for the next 15 or till the top of the island, we're almost at the bottom. Oh yeah. But you know what, Nancy, that 1911, that's a pretty safe gun. To get an accidental discharge out of that gun, you really have to work at it. Let me see, there's a safety, there's a grip safety. It's a pretty neat deal. And there is a, you know, thumb safety. So you have to have the thumb safety off, and you have to have the grip safety compressed before pulling the trigger will make the gun discharge if there's one in the chamber. Now that one in the chamber thing here, you guys, you know how to set up a gun, slide gun so it's half cocked. You ever heard that phrase, don't go off half cocked. Well let's do the 1911 at half cocked, it ain't gonna go off. So that don't go off half-cock, that phrase is pretty good advice there. But you run that now, to set that up is, if you've got one in the chamber, you want your thumb, you want the tip of your finger between your hammer and your firing pin. And you're going to hold that hammer and you're going to pull that trigger and you're going to bring that down to half-cock and you're going to take your finger off that trigger and you're going to set that hammer right there. And then you can set that gun between the seat and You can set that gun into that little pocket like on your door. If you're a driver and you're left handed, that's kind of an awkward way to bring up a gun to be defensive at the door of your car. Again, offering up the right hand and between the council and the seat. We've addressed this a number of times. We've addressed this a number of times and every time we do, we qualify this as something that you need to do. Just for the aforementioned reason, if you're left-handed and you're sitting in your car and you've got your gun under your right armpit, how are you going to bring that gun to bear from someone who just walks up, just steps right up to the door and is a threat to you? Now, if you know about number one control, As I reach for my gun under my arm there, all my opponent has to do is continue to press my elbow across my body and he's turning me away from him. And if I'm sitting in my seat belt, he can turn me until my hand is pressed against the other seat if he's leaning into the car. Now this is where things get dangerous. But he's controlling me to the extent that, well, I cannot bring my body back to bear, let alone bring the gun to bear on him. But if he's leaning into the car and this is a desperate situation, I don't even care what was in front of the car. I'm going to stand on the gas for just about three seconds, maybe one, and I won't have this leech, this assault coming through the window anymore, will I? No. So there are solutions, but that's rather mean and vicious because I did have to say that I don't care what's in front of the car for a moment, didn't I? So now we go over to what is that phrase that a lot of generals don't really care about and some really don't like to hear but it makes the front page of the news a whole lot. What is that? Perhaps you're going to introduce or bring about some collateral damage there. So again, if that gun is between the seat and the council, and that perpetrator, that guy who wants to take your car, he sticks the gun in the passenger window and says, get out of the car. As you're moving to apparently let the seat belt go and open the door, you know, as you're turning that hand can drop to the... seat and council and the next thing you see as you're coming up the other thing to do is as you're turning as you're reaching moving your hand one hand toward the gun the other hand can be moving your opponent's gun away from pointing at you while you're bringing your gun to bear on him now these are basic motions and we've tried to encourage you to think into the well what would happen if and What would I you know well what would I do in this situation? Tell me about the rabbits George and in this instance. I'm you know trying to tell myself what I would do with a handgun and another handgun coming to the window. Now I would bring up a different example because there was a time when I was in Detroit, I think this was like 1992, and it was winter time and there was like four inches of snow out in the main drag and well you could barely make, but I had to make the post office, but you could barely make headway. And I've got a friend in the passenger seat and we're about the width of a block from the post office there on Five Mile, about a mile east of Telegraph, and that's kind of, here's that Elvis song in the ghetto. Yeah. But I wanted to make that post office right there because it was the closest one, and we're going about three miles an hour in this snow-covered road, and I look past my friend and hear somebody of the city persuasion, and he's reaching for the door handle. And without hesitation I yelled at the top of my lungs, I will shoot you dead. And he changed his direction. The window was up. I did mention this was winter time and we were barely making walking speed for the snow and the road. And apparently this fellow wanted to gain some warmth and maybe drive away with, because I was driving my friend's car, maybe drive away with a real nice car. You guys get out the car here? Because this car of mine now? We talked about mine earlier in the day, didn't we? And what is yours is good to keep yours. But as this person reached toward the door, again, at the top of my lungs, I probably, I did, I know, because the passenger jumped a little bit, wasn't looking at the door, but immediately looked at where I was looking and watched this person turn and walk. I yelled, I will shoot you dead. And that person was no longer reaching toward that door and actually, you know, walked away from the car faster than he walked up. So again, I don't know if the fellow had a gun on him, but he had every intent to opening that passenger door. When he heard my solution to the problem, he decided he wasn't going to stay around anymore. But again, it's a matter of the instant, the amount that you throw up in defense, you know, it's how much any aircraft, how much metal can we put in front of this squadron that's coming at us, or how much can we put right on that single target? Or how much do we think we can make that target think we can bring to bear? Like as an example, I will shoot you dead. So, you know, car defense, it's more than just yelling at the guy reaching for the door. But if you're left-handed and you're a driver, you need to find a place to be able to bring the gun to bear through your window to your left. Don't you? Yes. It's hard to bring a gun to bear left-handed in defense of the left window without actually moving the gun outside of the car. When the gun is outside of the car, you have in a standing situation someone's moving to the car to threaten you or to take your car. When you move the gun outside or through the window, you're almost surrendering it. You almost have no control over it. You think, but I've got a gun. But if that person is standing on the other side and he knows anything about how to disarm, that gun is almost guaranteed to be his because you will not be able to turn your body in response to the ways he wants to turn your hand, your wrist, and let's go right up the line here, your hand, your wrist, your elbow, and eventually your shoulder. We're going to go to break here. We'll be right back to you guys. Iodine Protection Packs from hempusa.org are now in stock for immediate delivery worldwide. Our iodine protection packs include micro plant powder, green life kelp, red palm oil, and our clear roll-on iodine that will feed the body the iodine it needs. All iodine protection packs are in stock, save you money, and ship for free in all 50 states. Visit hempusa.org or call 908-69-12608 today. Hey! This is my rifle, I like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. It's useless. Without my rifle, I'm useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. Shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life until there is no more. Why come ye to the red coats? What mind you madness builds in our valleys? There is danger and there's danger in our hills. Oh, here ye not just slinging off the dew, go wild and free. But soon you'll know the ringing of the rifle from the tree. Oh, the rifle. Oh, the rifle. In our hands we'll prove no trifle. You may ride a good lead speed, you may no astern a master. You forward march with speed, but you'll learn to back much faster when you meet our mountain boys. And they'll lead their journey start. Glad you make what little noise and always hit the mark. Oh, the rifle, oh, the rifle. In our hands we'll prove no trifle. Maggie no graves at home, back across the briny water. And giddy he must come, like bullets to the floor. But if we the job must do, then the sooner it is begun. If Lyndon's figure hold a buck through, the quicker it will be done. Hold a rifle, hold a rifle. In our hands, prove no true rifle. Hold a rifle, hold a rifle. In our hands, prove no true rifle. Alright, we are back you guys. A little bit of history there. and our caller yeah pardon me i'm sorry for breaking in on your broadcast this is henry in organ paper that i got a article appear i think that uh... we need to uh... will be to get out there okay and we're put it up in the uh... chat room as i'm speaking it's two pages so i'm only going to read enough so you can know what's going on and uh... uh... you can take it from there buddy uh... frank famed arizona sheriff since ominous verbal warning shot to arm militias This is out of the blaze. Tofftucking, talking Arizona Sheriff Joe Apparo is warning civilians who embark on armed patrols in remote desert terrain that they could end up with 30 rounds fired into them by one of his deputies. His unapologetic, tress comments came Tuesday after a member of an Arizona Minuteman border watch movement was arrested over the weekend for pointing a rifle at a Maricopa County Sheriff's Deputy, he apparently mistook as a drug smuggler. If they continue this, there could be some dead militia out there, Oparo said. Richard Mele, 49, was heavily armed with two others dressed in camouflage Saturday night along Interstate 8 near Gila Bend, a known drug trafficking corridor in the desert about 70 miles southwest of Phoenix when he confronted the deputy who was on patrol conducting surveillance authorities said. According to the court records, the deputy and his partner stopped their vehicle then flashed their headlights and honked their horn, a common practice used by law enforcement to trick drug smugglers into thinking the car is there to transfer their narcotics load and lure them out of hiding. The deputies then got out Also addressed in camouflage, but clearly marked with sheriff patches on their clothing and began to track what appeared to be fresh footprints, authorities said. But it goes on to say that he said that if they run into his deputies, they'll have 30 bullet holes in them. Like I said, it's a couple of pages and it's in the chat room now. And I'm going to jump out, Dawn. Thank you. As you were reading that, I have pulled it up in the chat room. That's good work down there with the illegals. But oh my goodness, really? The militia backed him and now he's going to do this nonsense. That's the way I look at it as nonsense because the people that kept him in office are the people that were pulling the border patrol, the border guards, if you will, militia. Those are the people that backed him politically. That's political suicide in stating this. That's just crazy. I was saying that they will respond in a manner where they expect to encounter illegal immigrants or drug traffickers. We can encounter them, militia members, out in the middle of the desert, which may result in disastrous personal and public safety consequences. Not a good thing, folks. Don, we may have another person calling in. We might have another caller. Let's see if we've got a listener or a caller here. I'd like to just hold my thought for a moment. Sure, go ahead. Do we have a caller? Hey guys, this is MeatEater. Hey, what you got going? One at a time, and real quick, I didn't mean to interrupt, but the feed on Live65 isn't working on my side. It says station not available. I just wanted to help. Okay, I'll see what I can do to get that fixed. Thanks for the heads up. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, thanks for that heads up. That's it. Thank you. Oh, no big deal. Thank you again. Hey, I don't mind that kind of interruption, you know. We've got another caller. Who do we have? Don, I just wanted to follow up. Meet it or call. This is Larry in Wisconsin. I listen on my phone and Liberty Tree Radio disappeared off the menu. on my phone for life. Don't want to throw everybody off all at once. I've got, I live in Wisconsin, okay, and I work for a major LTL carrier. And we've got four guys that have been, that are in the National Guard here, and they've been told that they're going to be called to active duty within a 30-day window. And one of the guys had mentioned that whoever called, whoever his contact was that called him, it's all about the activation, had mentioned that war has been declared and that's why those guys are being called up. And it was only one out of the four guys that mentioned that. But I just thought I'd throw that out there to you for what it's worth so you guys could maybe follow up on it, you know, in other parts of the country if these guys are being called up. I mean, that's very unusual for four guys. They're not all the same units and they're all at the same specialty. So it would appear that something's going on because they were told that they were going to be gone from work for a long time, all four of them. But nothing more than that war has been declared. Yeah, the one guy said that the guy that called him up had mentioned that. And I know that's real abstract. And I got the information from a supervisor. I have a good friend at work that's a supervisor. And I want to be careful and keep his anonymity about him. But he was, he and I talked quite a lot. And he was in the advantageous position to be aware of what the heck is going on. Trying to put two and two together. And I know it's very abstract and I really couldn't, I really can't question it as much as I'd like to, but I think it's just, I think it might be helpful just to be aware that, you know, it seems that there's something that's going on because it's unusual for these guys, if that many, to get, to be essentially called the same thing in the same timeframe, 30 days, they're talking the end of September. If there are other people in other parts of the country that know people that are in the respective National Guard units in their states, maybe they could give some feedback. It might help to be able to try and make some kind of sense out of them and flush that out. throw a weighted line in the water on that one, huh? Right. But that'll do it for me. I'm back out. I hope everything's going great with March Mom and I hope Kelly's doing better. Thank you so much. Kelly is home and Mark's mom, she's not out of the woods yet, but she is doing better. Like I said before, they had not expected her to survive and is on a path to recovery. We're thankful for every day and of course for all your prayers. Thank you. And I heard another thing Nancy, perhaps we have another caller. Hey, this is actually a meat eater. Can you hear me? You got your five bite. Okay, I actually got just as you the other caller was speaking I got a letter from somebody and they're saying something's happening in October to a different area of the country and they also pointed to a New York Times article. I'll try to post it on the chat room if I can. that was August 16th, an exercise that they're going to do a national exercise. We all know what that is. The title is called As Worrys Over the Power Grid Rise, a drill will simulate a knockout blow. They are planning for a drill where the electric grid grows down. And it looks like it's going to be some kind of a national drill, excuse me, military and civilian. I'm trying to find the details of the actual drill when it's going to happen, but very soon that they're planning something. Again, it was in the New York Times. The article is, as worries over the power grid rise will simulate a knockout blow. Interesting. I can imagine people who own generators are wondering right now how many other vessels do I have to hold fuel in. Hopefully, and don't forget, don't forget you're stable to go in your fuel, folks, if you're going to start. Let's do a quick review here because I can remember that flight 800 falling out of the sky. There was an anti-aircraft missile drill going on at that time by the Navy. Wasn't there an anti-hijacking drill going on on 1911, or rather 9-11-1911? I'm looking at my cult there. Wasn't there a judge that told the ATF to remove their live explosives from the building because they were training in the building there? Oh, that was Oklahoma City. Yeah, yeah. Now, this is just a drill. It doesn't cover anything anymore. No. In fact, this is just a drill. You might as well look at it like, well, this is just a drill. This is just a drill amounts to this is not an attack on the day they burned the Waco Church to the ground. We should address that like that for the rest of our lives. On the day they burned the Waco Church. We got them on tape. We got them on tape. Their own tape. They're talking to the people. This is not an attack. This is not an attack. You can hear in the background the orders to go in to shoot, shoot to kill. In the background, as they're on the phone with the people in the Waco compound, telling him, this is not a tag. What are you talking about? They're saying, your people are shooting at us. No, we're not attacking. What are you talking about? And this is the FBI there taking. Well, that first day raid is the audio tape that you're talking about and Don's talking about the last day with the tanks. Right. And they went in and burned everything. But still trying to insist that they're not attacking, we're not attacking, we're not attacking. Yeah. It's nonsense. The weatherman told you more truth. Right. They come in and say, oh well we didn't attack them, we didn't do this. They lit themselves on fire. They had kerosene and they spilled the kerosene and it caught on fire. It burnt the place down. Nonsense. Nonsense. All you have to do is look at the film, the documentary that was done. and can see where the charges were set on the propane pigs outside, there was no mistake. You're right. This is not an attack or this is just a drill. We've seen the evidences there and the results thereof. Let's go back to the pale thing. Yes. To a great extent, you guys, if he did not say something like that out loud, how many of his boys are going to show up to work tomorrow? Understand that. He has to back his boys in a gunfight before he's going to back the civilian group. Otherwise, and now, this isn't about right or wrong in that particular situation. Scrub that out of your mind. Look at the overview here. Let's do it in a purely military sense because many of you listening right now We're subject to something that I'm going to describe to you You were in places where you said you where you were told you cannot shoot at anything You were in situations where you had to get somebody on the radio Before you could get confirmation to bring fire on people who were shooting at you and you were in the military In a war zone or oh no that was a police. Oh Vietnam was it was what they call it the Vietnam War they don't call it the Vietnam police action But now think about this in a civilian way, as is right now, in a civil time frame. There's no true war. There's the war against drugs, there's the border wars, there's the gangland wars, but no true declared war, as mentioned earlier. He has to say to his boys, I'm going to tell you to shoot that guy that points a gun at you, no matter if he's a Mexican drug runner, a coyote, or if he's a little green guy, I don't care if he's one of the greys. I don't care if he's gray or green or if he's militia. He points a gun at you, you have a right to defend yourself. Now this is what the sheriff, this is what I'll pay over. He has to tell his boys that. Understand? They're not going to come to work tomorrow. Right. Especially, you know, in that capacity. Right. Because if you have read the stories of the drug runners and the coyotes that are running illegals across the border, they aren't out there playing games, folks. This is organized crime and they are shooting. They will shoot to kill and have killed law enforcement in the past. They will have no qualms about doing it again. Now, let me offer up an example here. Someone I know, someone you know, Nancy, very early in the morning a couple years ago heard that at the door. And he heard gunfights across the border the night before. But he heard the knock at the door and he wakes up and opens up the door. And here's this Mexican guy standing at the door asking him for some water. Agua por favor. It's good to be able to not starve to death or not die of thirst in a number of languages. Therefore, agua por favor, he's asking for water to this guy in America. The person before recognizes this guy by his tattoos, by his general demeanor, as a gangster. He says, wait one moment, wait. He closes the front door. He walks through the house, goes out the back out of the back door and walks about 70 yards over there to the Border Patrol people who were sitting in the Border Patrol blazer or whatever it is, the Ford or the Chevy or whatever. They said, come with me, come with me. And so having a working relationship with these fellows, they jumped out of the truck and went in the back door of the house, aforementioned, opened up the door at the front of the house and proceeded to arrest the illegal. This truly happened. Oh my. Now, this truly happened, but did I mention the working relationship? Right. You know the person I'm talking about. I'm not going to mention his names. He's been in your house. I'm not going to mention any names. He walked up to the Border Patrol people. He said, hi Frank, hi John. As if, you know, the one watchdog is leaving and the other watchdog is coming in and the one's punching out in the cartoon and the other's punching in. Hi, Ralph. Hi, Frank. Well, he walked up to him and told him, come on, come on. And as he's walking toward his house and through the back door, he's telling him what to expect at the door. Now that comes from a close working relationship. You guys in Arizona, you're going to have to stand closer to the sheriff if you don't want to get shot one day. And I'd tell you that, you know, to stand and, hey, that's an open challenge to any man. You're standing there, you bring a gun up to bear on any man. You bring a gun to bear on me and I don't know you, I'm probably going to shoot you. Particularly in such a situation out there in the desert. Don you know I think about you. I'm sorry. There's something we don't know about this We don't know about this yet is was it a local militia member or was it somebody from outside the state who is there? I mean well the person I'm talking about is from outside of the state. Oh, I know you again I'm talking about the difference later so people go in there Eddie and some of them go in there with the attitude We're not even going to talk to the locals and you can't tell us what we're going to do and and and in fact We aren't even going to tell you where we're patrolling So this is one of the problems that occurs in that area. And some of those people who are so high headed or what one might call light headed, they're the kind of people if another brain cell dies, the last one will be lonely, they'll probably be paralyzed on one side of their body. If you're walking into what is almost a war zone, I'd really like to know who the friendlies are and where they're going to be. Exactly. That's the point I wanted to bring up. The other thing that we don't know is, I know Mom's reading the article, but we don't know. This could have been an Agent Pavakator sent there because we know we've seen that before, and that's nothing new. Somebody sent there to stir the pot to get two sides fighting up against each other that really should be. Right. Because we know a number of people that live there, work there, and do just what you're talking about. They're working with the border patrol and with the sheriff's department. Like I said, Tea Party movement backed Joe Apparo during the last election. Without them, he would not have won. A lot of people were incensed because The population down there, a good portion of them speak Spanish. Understand that. This gentleman's name is Mallee, but I'm not reading in here where he is from. He was released on $10,000 bail, except for a court appearance on August 26th, which is coming right up here real quick. It wasn't clear if he had an attorney. The phone numbers listed for him were disconnected. The press knows who he is, where he lives, but they didn't release what county he's from. But, you know, they're not saying he's out of the area, which kinda makes you wonder, hmm... Well, the phone number and stuff not being active for him, that could be one of the people who've lost their job and went down to the border to, you know, just do it full time, because they've got nothing else to do. Yeah, we know people like that that are down there, but they like we said, you know We got different groups that are active in that area What they did is a blanket brush thing where they the media reported the militia well militia which group of militia that's down there is it a local militia is it a part-time from Washington State? Yes, it doesn't say. There is a lot of this is speculation. There is a caveat on here too. Earlier this one. We have addressed this before. You know when that mighty mole went into Tokyo Bay? The Missouri went into Tokyo Bay and that funny looking little guy dressed like a Japanese Mr. Peanut came on board inside the surrender agreements. Remember that? Did you know that ship was steered into the bay by a Japanese pilot? He knew what the waters were. There's a lot to be learned from that. And if you're going to go into Arizona, it would be good to find some of the locals and work with them because it might just keep you from being shot by One of Apeo's finest. Right. I can't well imagine that would not be a comfortable feeling to have that 30 round magazine emptied into you. Well, the caveat that I was talking about here is earlier this month he made, Joe made headlines for arming officers with AR-15 rifles for safety after employee of the detention center was shot and killed in his own driveway. Oh, okay. Okay. This is... Well, that's gangland down there, you guys. Absolutely. We've addressed this. Can you go over to... what is it? Borderlands Beat? And look at the Mexican sheriff, only as tall as the... from his chin to the top of his head. That's what our payo's got to deal with more and more. On the same note, Don, do you think the civilians that are out there reporting on the gangland activity are any safer than the police officers with their armed weapons if they tell them they can't be armed? No, he's not saying they can't be armed. There's many layers. We could talk about this. He's not telling people they can't be armed. Don't point your guns at his officers. If you aim your gun at an officer, then he is giving them permission. I understand that, but Don, tactical police officer uniforms, do they have the bright white letter sheriff's identification? I don't know what they were wearing. Or do they do subdued? Well, the article mentions that they were in camouflage. They may have been in camouflage. Yeah, so they were probably subdued, which means you're not going to see it long distance. You're not going to see it until you're right up on top of the person. Right. So again you guys we could talk about this particular situation for a good long time and I'm not I'm not saying you know that well He's totally justified saying my boys look you know empty a 30-round magazine into you That's kind of a bit on the heavy side isn't it? But you have to think the converse of that is What if what if that was a what if that was a coyote bringing a gun up? What if that was a dark car tell person because see the coyotes aren't even generally as They aren't as deep into there. There might be coyotes out there who have never even seen anybody bisected with a chainsaw I understand that Don and on the same note you have to say what if those weren't sheriff officers that were out there? And instead those guys with the air are 15. Now it goes down. If you want to play that, we could just avoid the whole thing by saying, Eddie, you know, you buys your ticket and it takes your chances. Exactly. You're volunteering to be out there. You've got to be vocal. You've got to be upfront about what you're doing on both sides. Yep. Well, we are past the top of the hour, folks. We're at 6.01. We'll take a little break. I hope I helped you out in that hour. It should be the other way around. Thank you for the help, Nancy. I'm the guy here regular, so for you to thank me for the help is kind of a thank you for the help, Nancy. God bless you. Thank you, dear. And we are at the top, as always. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. We've got them on the run. We're on the march, both day and night. Thank you. Revolution. Thank you for listening to Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com. 691-2608. It's odorless and tasteless and used in any liquid or food. 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