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Is this still the land of the free and home? Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is the evening intelligence report. I'm Mark Kornke. And I'm Don Butcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, central, west, southeast, and north. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, PBN.4mg.com, and we are on live 365, then go to Liberty Tree Radio, World's 20, M&M, and microstations, ZB, base stations, and alternate technologies, both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska. We are on the Hallmark network on the Eastern Seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed to Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the pit and the third. Then waving to our friends in the West, we streak across the plains over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi and the land of the Smokies with the restaurant crews, grammar teams, the OK teams, and the Ma Bell Grammar Consortium doing their part to get the job done to ensure that we have a replacement for the internet done. It is rainy. It's... cold, well not real cold, but it's cool, and it's acting like fall. What is the date today, sir, and what is special about it? Well Mark, it is the 19th day of October, year of our Lord 2011. That alone is, that's kind of neat. Again, 2011, it was, you're right, cold, windy, blustery, occasionally wet, and you know, we've talked about that before, you guys. My personal experience goes like this. I can be wet. Or I can be cold, but cold and wet together are a bad, bad mix. It generally tends to shorten your expectancy of making the other side. It makes things much harder. That kind of day, but we got through it. At any rate, that kind of day, it was the 19th day of October, but down the middle of the week means I bend my ear just a little bit and hold everything just right. We'll have more on that later. I try to make this as loud as I can with the microphone here and so you hear one drop in the chamber, the slide jumped to battery and with a tilt of the hand, the magazine is in the well. It is weapons. Wednesday the perimeter is secure. You know how it goes. There's plenty more where that came from. That means that we can now offer equal opportunity coercive force. And we're going to do our part to ensure that we provide a replacement for the internet and also the ability for you to connect and link in so many different ways and to arm you with information and the information that we're covering tonight, well it's Weapons Wednesday. So we're gonna do our part to get the job done. Don, what do you got for us please? Well I wanna kinda touch on a few things and we've talked about building pockets for magazines and they look like ditto and it's all full of wells, you know, but well you can build pockets like that. They can be friction when you figure out by handling the material and if you don't want to get something that really stretches And you can build pockets for your 45 with that's that 1911 you hear at the front of the hour There's numerous pockets in certain places around here, and we've talked about that before some have seen them, but you know When it goes in the pocket you guys the magazine goes in with the bullet down And it's in there pretty tight. We've talked about building that pocket before if you've been listening, but the general overview is fold, fold, and then lay a magazine in there, seam it, then draw the other side of the fabric to where you figure you want the seam to where the magazine just slides in and out. So where you turn it upside down, it won't jump out. And then, you know, if you figure you have to, sew another seam to give some space if you have the space. We've touched on that before. Just build a magazine bandolero and sew it inside your vest, inside your suit coat, wherever. At any rate, those go in that bandolero, so to speak. The magazines go in there bullet down, Mark. And people think, well, that's like putting ink pen, modern day ink pen, into an ink well. Well, that's one way to relate it. You know, because all the dust is at the bottom. Well, if you've built the pocket tight enough, not a whole lot of dust gets reason why. You guys, when you reach into that and draw that out, that bottom of that magazine well is in the bum of your hand. It's down there at the of your hand. That's a better, better down there on the heel of your thumb. You're holding the magazine, you know, Twix little finger and thumb and it's being located there. Now as you drop the other mag out, hey, it's going to hit the floor or it's going to, whatever. But the thing about this is you hear how that magazine slides in at the front. As soon as you hear the mechanical motion, generally you hear the slap into the well. Now that's real hard to do if you're holding your magazine like you hold the pistol grip, right? If you're holding that magazine around the sides, you get to a point where, man, in the middle, how hard I push it, my hand gets in the way. So, you know, there's Hollywood ways to do things, and there's the proper way to do things. And the other thing about that, when the base plate of that magazine is in the palm of your hand, guess where your fingertips are pointing? Right to the magazine well, huh, Mark? And it just, it's like a natural motion. Once the The fingers, the tips of the fingers that hold the magazine meet and slide past the hand that's holding the butt of the gun, it just natural motions right up in there and slaps that magazine home, doesn't it? And that's a real good, you know, you hear Don do that every weapons Wednesday. I could do it hands, you know, I couldn't do it hands tied behind my back and I really couldn't do it one handed. Oh yes, I could. But more on that later. The point in that little portion mark is that sometimes you've heard it happen pretty fast and speed can be a good thing when you're loading up your gun or getting out your gun or reaching for that next magazine. Am I right? I hear a lot of people, I see the crowd nodding. But think about it, you guys. If you set things up, Mark, we've talked about this so many different times and ways, so that they seem to... Well, we've told the story about the Korean general, so that they seem to jump to your hand, and a lot of that comes from habit. How do you build habit? From practice and from training. Man, there's some words you've heard here before, and I see more Ed's nodding. There's not another person in the room. I'm being fictitious. audio medium here and trying to invoke a visual portion there into. But think about that you guys. If you set them, just like setting up magazines for your rifle, you reach into the top of that pocket right and twix finger and thumb that first magazine is coming out. You don't put them in their base plate down, do you? If you do, now you got to flip it around in your hand or you got to juggle it or you got to use both hands and that's what a sling is for, isn't it? But now look at all the motion that's wasted. So I'm not going to elaborate on that a whole lot, but you know what? It comes to the point where As mentioned earlier, this is why the sergeant and the corporal tell the guy who is barely a private to do it again and to do it again and to do it again. Mark, we've brought this thought to the hour before, but that's a basic psychological thing, you guys. There is a reason why the DI or the drill instructor or your sergeant tells you to do this over and over. And you know what? You wake up the next day and it's the same thing over and over and you might do something else too, being layered onto your ability and skill. Because you know, they don't want to rush you into things and overload your, you know, civilian brain. Your sergeant might even tell it to you just like, we're doing this slow, we're taking it easy because, and on and on. But you do those things over and over, some of the basics, every day for at least 30 days. There's a psychological the feast of geotrism will tell you that if you do something Every day for 30 days you start to shuffle it down into your subconscious and then it now we're talking we mentioned that word habit didn't we and It's good to build not to be redundant with the use of the word to build good habits rather than build bad habits So with that in mind, you know it you guys you got that be at a Glock be it or you know, whatever You got that magazine fed pistol? Sit down and practice that. And you know, do it in a safe place. Or even put the one that you drop into the magazine, into the chamber. Take one of your snap caps. Drop that into the chamber and men let that slide go to battery and fill that magazine well. And now you're one ahead of the guy who only came with the magazine full. And if your gun is set like that, and we've talked about it being sold into a pocket. sewed into clothes to carry even and conceal something as big as a 1911. I'm not talking about the long slide now, but you know what I mean. At any rate, if it's there and it's coming out, well, we've addressed that before too, Mark, haven't we about? There's one in the tube, you know, one in the chamber. And that 1911, you guys, You have to think that when you see the nut case climbing the ladder at Waco and reaching for his gun because he's just slathering and the babb, just wanting to kill somebody so bad he's going up the ladder with one hand and reaching for his gun with the other and oops, when he slumps down in the ladder, what did he do Mark? He shot himself in the leg, didn't he? Well, that wasn't in 1911, was it? At any rate, you know, I laugh at that. Everybody that... Well, it's not a great big victory to laugh at that in that instance, is it? But there's something to learn there, isn't there? But when that gun is coming out, it's like the old Western quick draw or whatever it might be that way. It might be you just stand back into a shadow. There's a million. Writers sit down and figure out different ways that guns are introduced into situations and then they call it fiction and high drama and all kinds of things, don't they? But we're talking about real life here. So no matter how it comes out, if it comes out surreptitiously, wouldn't it be good You don't have to pull that slide back and let that slide fly to battery because, well, you're trying to be sneaky, aren't you? You're trying to be, let's invoke some Elmer Fudd here, you're trying to be very, very quiet, right? While you bring the gun to bear on the threat. Or, the gun is coming, a gun is turning on you! And out comes the gun out of the pocket. And you know what? When there's one in the chamber, all you have to do, some people like that 1911, a half-cock, the safety set. Now you've got to do two things, don't you? But if the gun comes out with that flick of the thumb, off goes the safety. And now it's brought to bear on the threat. Well, it goes back over to that Western old-timey, the quick draw, who's got the gun there first. And I would invoke even, there was a Southern general. And now this is a general thinking. And he would sometimes strive to press proper English, but he said, the way to win wars, the The way to win battles and the way to win wars is to get their firstest with the mostest. I'm sure there's a problem, or maybe it wasn't in those two words, Mark, but I yield the floor to you, sir. Well, one of the things that I always thought was fun, especially years ago when the Falkland War, oh I'm sorry, the Battle for the Malvinas, you know, before it was initiated, or as, I should say, as it was being initiated. You know, the Brits did a lot of, you know, PR stuff for the sake of making everybody feel good back home. A lot of people that are in England know what I'm talking about here. What was really interesting are some of the videos that were done on the aircraft carrier, you know, with the Marines. The Imperial Marines, the British Marine Forces, were practicing, practicing, practicing, practicing. And it was like a chorus line. Except they weren't standing up, guys. They were lined up side by side by side. The Saw men, you know, Squad Automatic Riflemen, were lined up side by side, Don, with .308 Bren guns. Guys, under the orders of the Sergeant Major, The Sergeant, you was giving the order to load your weapon! Boy, the numbers! And of course it got to a certain point where they would go through each step. Then what they did is immediate action, drill, post! And down there were what? 30 men with Bren guns, side by side by side by side. Shoulder with the part. In other words, shoulder to shoulder to shoulder. Side by side by side. Yeah. And it was like a chorus line. Only with exact and precise unison slash motion, these men were extracting the mag and it was all a circular hand flow. It was like you were beckoning someone to come here, come here, come here. Only they were laying prone, belly down. And the idea was that they were changing the mags and going through the motion of loading the weapon and then dropping the mag. Drop the mag, load the mag. Drop the mag, load the mag. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. That fast. I couldn't actually... 1, 2, 3. There we go. 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. The motions and the movements were so automatic and so precise that they were hard to see. Yes, let's just slow them down now guys. What does that do that saves you a lot of time obviously in reloading? Which means it probably is going to save your life Because the person you're facing off on isn't gonna know when you're empty You get my drift in other words click click click click click click That much less downtime, that means that much more hot time. You're looking downfield, you're picking and choosing targets, you're breathing and you're squeezing, aren't you, instead of fumbling and stumbling in the dark. Even in broad daylight. The whole point behind this is that what that demonstrates is something that we've talked about many times. Again, repetition. What did it take to get those men to that point, that level of expertise, that point of developed skill? Because that's where they were. They did many other things. They showed the men with AFLs working the same way practicing magazine withdrawal and recovery. Magazine withdraw, magazine reintroduce. And in the process, going through the gear automatically. Now what was interesting is, again, the men were standing side by side and as I said before, they all reached for the same magazine station at the same time. so that in the field they were all operating at the same cycle. Now it doesn't mean they're all going to be in the same motion and going dry at the same time, but it becomes automatic that when you're in a more comfortable position, you know, when the target is farther away, the idea was to extract the mags from the farthest points which are the most difficult to reach and working your way forward towards the easier to access magazines. When you might need a fast action sooner than that. Exactly. And so again guys think about that. Another thing I brought up you know we've got these vests that are available through wrap4.com www.wraprap4.com. They're $30 and $35 a piece. The regular sizes are 30, the largest are 35. They're in a mix of camouflages. They have a variety. They're showing a variety that are available. and they're the price right, you know, solution. Now the thing is the front mag pouches are snapped into place. They're panels like the MOLLE ones and then they have MOLLE type straps on the side and then they still have the option for a pistol belt. Well guys, this gives you the best of all worlds but you know, consider you can add more mag stations all the way around and it's something I've talked about how much, how many, everybody owes us, how many mags you carry as many as you're willing to. It's purely a matter of battle weight to maneuverability. You've got to figure out that there's only a point of no return where you can only carry so much. But in a battlefield situation, you're probably not going to be recovering all of those mags. You're going to wish you had more by the time you're done. Probably the best example, Don. One of the guys that just sent us a report on his experience just in the last few, what, last month in Iraq. He went through it all for give me I keep doing that Afghanistan is where he was located and I just had the guys come back 19 magazines took him 19 magazines to get from his vehicle Back to the safe haven. You know this their base of operations fighting in a street situation Now everybody goes, well, I'm just going to carry six magazines. And I was like, okay, well, maybe that if that's all you could afford, I can understand that. But yeah, but good luck. Yeah. Consider this. You would have been dry one third of the way back to the house. See how that works. Think about it. So what this guy did, Tom, basically was explaining that, again, the firefight was stiff, needless to say, you're not hitting a target every time. You're suppressing them just like they're suppressing you, or you're expending multiple rounds on a single target while they're busy trying to expend whole mags on you. For this reason, again, come up with a configuration that's going to help to balance and distribute the weight. You don't want to be front-heavy or back-heavy, and you can. add stations like the Brits did with their Type 50 Type 58 gear. A little bit of this came out a year ago. I noticed it's dried up. I've been looking around. The Type 58 British gear, there's still some around, but you're gonna have to search for it now. It has little 20 round magazine pouches everywhere. Wherever there's a place where an FAL type single pocket can be sewn, it was. Plus the regular mag stations up front the whole nine yards. The idea behind this is that by the time you're done you're carrying 18 official stations for mags. Plus you're going to add a couple more pouches or you add a bandolier or two here and there and extend it that way. In a situation like that, the buddy system comes into play too. Because everybody goes, well what do you mean? Because there are mag pouches on top of the rear station pouches. You can't reach easily, but you can reach them in a duress situation. You'll stretch around and make your arm work. But it's the idea that they were available so that you have them and you're carrying them. You can't make them out of mud, guys. If you don't have them, you can't use them. So that's one of the other considerations with these vests you can add, especially between the MOLLE gear, the ALICE gear, and the existing pouches that are on the vests, you can create a pretty hefty battle package. that'll probably get you through what needs to be done. And the reason I bring up that pistol belt is because a lot of people are taking advantage of either the commercial or the military surplus AK mag pouches. Well guess what? With that pistol belt on the bottom of that web gear, that vest, you have the ability to incorporate those hanging mag pouches that everybody's been buying. So you have a solution. You don't have to adapt them or come up with a molly strap or something like that down. Instead, you just took them right up on the pistol belt the way you planned. Personally, what I would do with those is make them like chipmunk butt cheeks. I wouldn't put them straight to the side, I'd put them to the back, left, and right. And the reason is because, guys, if you want to go prone, you want to try and allow for, you know, again, be able to make contact with the ground, and you don't want anything that's going to dig or gouge, you know, to your belly or to the face that's making contact with the ground. Yep, you don't want anything that's gonna push you up like where do you wear your? Candine exactly Yeah, so again here solutions or ideas It varies depending upon again. What was it? What would I be trying to do? I've made rigs up to have close to 35 you know to 38 air 15 mags or have up to 26 a K mags and When you heft it it's like picking up, you know an eight-year-old Now the only thing is, it's not designed for everyday use, it's a mission specific set. If I were in a breakout and I knew that I'd be going one way and the idea is that we're just having to push out minimal food, some water, and minimal food would be food tabs or would be, again, concentrate supplements like lifeboat rations, maybe one block. Beyond that, water and ammo. Because if I dehydrate I'm done so water and lots of ammo and the idea behind this in a breakout is Everybody this is one of the few times in a breakout operation you always go to select fire You put your heaviest weapons forward always have your heaviest weapons manned and the idea is to push push push with the lid yep Yup, you're not gonna pick the mags up. You're not gonna have enough to carry out You're gonna actually carry so many extras you're gonna be dropping as you go You're gonna wade through the up for We're gonna be over there and they're gonna be behind us. They might be awful mad and chasing us But we're gonna be over there exactly and still have the end with the the ability to fight rear guard once you've broken through to keep them off you exactly what you pointed out Thank you down because it's not just the getting through guys now You got a bunch of PO critters that thought they had you yes, you see and a bunch of their buddies They think they need revenge for but let's let let's talk about before the breakout Because we were talking about magazines and quick and all kinds of things and a whole lot of magazines and you know what you can you'll find this you'll never have enough magazines. But let's do it like that while the siege is on because you know they think they got you surrounded and things are flying through the air trying to make final decisions. Well, you're probably doing the same thing and you know what? When that magazine is done, you flip another one in there as fast as you can, don't you? And over there is, you know, well, depending on how big the perimeter is that you might have, let's look at some history. When you've got a platoon of people firing and just basically holding a perimeter, not everybody is shooting a gun. And a good portion of those people, well, how fast does it, how long does it take to slap another magazine in and burn it down? versus putting those bullets in the magazine. Oh, this is another part of the equation, another branch, a little dinky twig on the tree that a bunch of people don't look at because I'm going to be on the wall and I'm going to be knocking down blue helmets. And when all my magazines are empty, I guess I'm going to have to stop for a while and load them all up. unless, well, out of the 15 people that are in that fire squad and they're in a particular place and they're held down, you've got two people loading magazines all the time, don't you? Because that's what it's going to be. You're going to need two people if you've got chiclets, loose bullets. You know, and when you get that big, you really should consider we're not going to leave some stuff at home tonight, boys, because, well, no matter what the general said, we're taking our night vision, referring to a particular movie. It was a Clint Eastwood thing, and I know it was a twist of it. But again, when you start moving in big groups, think of how many guns, and how many guns, if they're involved, can move. You don't think about that. You start thinking about pounds and pounds. Why? Because, well, it's like, here's another word we bring up every once in a while, logistics. How do you get it from here to there? And when you're stuck in one place and everybody out there is trying to keep you really, really busy and you're doing the best you can to keep them persuaded, you're going to be chewing up magazines left and right. And as you pointed out, Mark, there's another phrase there because when you see that line drill like that, every man, well, they all loaded up other magazines at once in the battle. That must mean they're all going to be empty at once. Well, every man to become that discipline That's the kind of guy that's going to have discipline fire. That's the kind of guy he's going to try to take aim and he's going to try to work a short burst if he's running that automatic way. It's going to go, think about it. That's a disciplined man. When you've got people and a number of people moving in, you better be taking it. There better be a box of marks a kin box or two of ammunition. And there better be, here's another thing that solves little problems like that because we've talked about them before and we're going to slide over into it, no pun intended, talking about speed loaders. Necessarily speed loaders. What do they call those things, Mark? Not speed loaders. We're not talking about revolvers here. We're talking about loading magazines and it took me a moment to bring the right nomenclature into play there. But you guys, stripper clips make that guy who's loading the magazine's job a lot easier because, well, if you're loading a magazine for an M16, they're stripper clip adapters for an M16, an AR, aren't they? They're stripper clip. Allow that stripper clip to slide right into the top. Oh, an AK. Am I right? I'm right. And you know what, when you're sitting around doing nothing, I know there's somebody who brags about, well I've folded a lot of toilet paper today and you've heard him before, but I don't wonder how many bullets he's passed into stripper clips for the guns he's got to help support them in a time when, well gee, I really just don't have any time to put puts in magazines right now because people are shooting at me. Mark, I'll be quiet. Well, one of the things, and that's a good point too, remember for instance you AK owners that are out there, there is an SKS stripper clip guide. The AK strippers are a 10 shot stripper that was originally designed for the SKS and will work flawlessly in all of your SKS's unless you have optics on the roof that are interfering with the ejection well, you know, with the actual, the area that accesses the bolt from the top. You'll notice that cut into your bolt carrier or into your charging handle assembly, there's a niche, there's a groove. Those stripper clips fit right in there with the bolt lock backwards. You will stick one of those 10 shot stripper clips in there and CRACK! You're loaded. It's that simple. Big thumb. CRACK! And then you pull the stripper clip out, put it in your pocket, pull the bolt back and she slides forward, let it slam forward and carry the next round. Now. With the AK, they make a stripper clip guide. Now they used to be a lot cheaper and the average I'm seeing right now, Don, is about $3.80 to about $5 a piece. They used to be about $1.25 a piece, if that. So they've gone up because they're all Chinese and there aren't any more coming in. I don't think anybody's really noticed that. They're Chinese Communist made, the ones that were made. Remember I've said, where do you see any Chinese mags or anything Chinese made new that's come in? So these stripper clips are inventory that was bought by the billions when they were available back, you know, 15, 20 years ago. And there's still some hanging around. If you have an AK, you need a couple of those stripper guides. The reason is you can buy SKS stripper clips, cheap, cheap, cheap, and go to town on this guys, crank them out, and put them where they need to be. load up your gear, make up bandoliers. I've got three or four cases of those stripper clips on hand, specifically for that purpose, you know, that are, you know, different sites, so that as ammunition is pulled out, one of the jobs you've got is to pull it out of the wrappers and stick it on the stripper clips. Some of the ammunition you bought out there is in stripper clips. The same is true with stripper guides for, you know, stripper clips and guides for your FN FAL, the HK 91. and for the M14 magazine. Now otherwise all your bolt guns like your nagots take a stripper guide You know take a stripper clip five round your British Enfields 1903 Springfield's K98 all well actually all mousers now there are different sizes for different countries and different types however as you pointed out Don better a Couple of stripper clips with five rounds each then a handful of chicklets and trying to figure out what to do about them Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, especially when Someone's trying to persuade you different. Because when the adrenaline rushes in there and you're, oh, it's like the first time you see that big, big deer walk out and you don't have the gun to bear, but you want to bring it over, but he's looking right at you and you're waiting for him to look away and man, you want to shoot that? Well, it's a hundred times that. It's a hundred times that. Because you know what? Think of it's not a deer out there. It's something that's wanting to bring about your end. And that does things to people. It kind of makes their muscles tense up and kind of makes fine little delicate motions real hard to do. And it's best to sweep that all away and get the little dinky motions done while we can. And while things aren't in the air that would separate our minds from our bodies, our minds from our thoughts, to steal a quote from Tom from Brooklyn there, Because, you know, the objective, like any good general would tell you, is to separate their thoughts from their minds, isn't it? And if you're busy loading up a magazine, you guys, this is so basic, and we've addressed this before, but you know what? It needed to be dragged out and dusted off. If you're busy loading up magazines, it's kind of like you're not busy holding off the perimeter, are you? And if you're busy loading up magazines and you're all by yourself, When you stick your head up, expect to see a whole different world. You might not even get a chance to stick your head up. You know, stumble on this. You guys, we do this because, you know, this is deadly serious. Let that soak in. And, you know, we talk about you can't have enough magazines, and after that, the way to reinforce that, much like the way to stumble to make the New World Order's formula about how long they can fight Americans because we'll run out of bullets. Hey, take aim. Take aim. That's a way to kill that formula, but a way to kill the formula about, well, they've only got so many magazines too, and they can only do this so fast. Speed, rather not speed loaders, stripper clips, and the adapters. It's a lot faster than trying to feed one in at a time when you're trying to keep your head down and trying to dig a hole and trying to keep an eye on where everybody is. Did I mention you're trying to dig a hole and load magazines at the same time? Now that's, what do they call that Mark? That's multitasking, isn't it? to the nth degree. Yes. Well, the other thing here too, and again, weapons with regard to weapons systems. Right now, for instance, let me give an example. We've talked about multiple mags and having them on hand and being able to use them. What's happened to Tokarev mags in the last just two years? Or CZ-52s, if you can find them. Now think about it guys you guys all bought those up and if you got a CZ 52 Those that have them are now quietly just keeping them and maintaining them But what you need to do is start scouring the countryside continue to purchase mags granted They're gonna be a little more expensive, but there are pockets here and there The Tokarev mags you guys have bought up because we have virtually I don't know how many hundreds of thousands we've purchased if not You know close to a million of the Tokarev's alone have come in probably in the last how many years between the Chinese, Romanian, Bulgarian, Russian and Yugoslavian models. They're still coming in. There's a bunch of Romanian that just came in, but the price they're not $79 anymore. Same is true for the mags. Now the cheapest mag is about $15 and the average is about $19 again. for the time being because again what is being purchased out there is now being purchased in the new devalued American dollar. People have a tough time with that. That's where we are. We have a devalued currency. It's creating other problems for us with regard to marketing or going out there and finding things. Most affordable mag right now if you got an AR-15 and I had this discussion with Mike about guys who have the 7.62x39 AR-15s Don. Guys I know that you have to have the greater can't in the mag for the mags to work with 30 rounders but those are also expensive. Why not get a whole bunch of 20 rounders? I'd rather have a 20 rounder that can carry 14 rounds or 15 rounds of 7.62x39 reliably. then a bunch of larger mags that may or may not work. See how that works? Now the other advantage is when I'm using 762x39 and 556, I can have two different uppers and if I use the 20 rounders, I don't have to worry about what mag should I get, Don, what mag should I get? Yup. You see, the 20 rounders will work with all of them and I'm looking at accuracy or volume for it. I got a 20 round mag with a 223, about a 14 round mag with a 762x39. Centerfiresystems.com has plastic mags, four dollars a piece, mag pull, I believe as I recall and they are in the magazine section, 20 rounders, 225 to a case, four dollars a piece. Now for those of you who have AR-15s, all of you need to go in together if you're a unit or a group of people, that is a solid investment. Keep buying them. They're not going to stay $4. I'm telling you right now, it's just like all these other things. We're starting to see the creepl on all of the other mags right now, too. Example, there was a handful of pistol mags that I just recommended as somebody. The time it took for me to get them over there to the company to get them, Dom, they've increased by 50%. They didn't go down in price. They actually, wow, they cleared out the whole inventory. They already sold everything and restocked. But when they restocked, the new price was 50% higher. and they had the best country, they had and still have the best price in country for those mags. They're not super unique but they are a shall we say a more exotic magazine that if you have the gun you gotta have more mags now because you will not find them later. And that's an example of new production where they were built, they were good quality before, the replacement store from the exact same company, I talked to the manufacturer, they are 50% higher than they were only one month ago. So there's an example right there. You don't know what's gonna happen. Some things slide down for a little bit. Some things, again, the companies wanna move their inventory. Some items are priced high as far as people are concerned when they look at the price of other items. So some things will sit for a little bit. Others, they just bought a lot of them because they got a great price. They're still offering a great price. They've made a good profit on them. Now they wanna move the difference so they can turn the money around. The problem is, is that because of that devaluation in currency, the same thing that we always talk about. You know, you can put your money in the bank when the money's being devalued in the morning and it'd be worth half as much before you even get a chance to use it in the afternoon. You know, before you had a chance to draw something out, it was already, you know, it's already, you know, smoke. This is true of what happened with the South American countries. To a degree, we're seeing like a macro extended version because we're in the early stages of this with regard to purchasing power when we go out to the hahaha global market. And let's not forget that meanwhile we can hear pop pop boom boom on the horizon which means there isn't the same surplus sitting out there because guys when you have wars in many cases there is no surplus. Because we've had war after war after war we got two of them going on right now We don't want to call Iraq a war, but it's a war. We're still I we're still shooting people there They just had a punch of people died the other day. I you know yesterday the day before Afghanistan most assuredly Pakistan non-stop Let's see Libya. Well that just but was a big bullet-burner everybody watched it on TV Mark, have you seen any of the films in particular today of the riots in Greece? Yeah, they're saying they've got a two-day strike going on. They're calling it the mother of all strikes right now. Oh, go ahead. The people are battling the police right up front nose to nose and when they get a little bit farther than arm's length away, a lot of fire bombs are moving around out there, you guys. They aren't real happy with the government tightening everything up. We've commented on this over the last while as this situation has developed. Talked on it. Remember when we mentioned the one Greek guy who said, how do they expect us to pay this off? All we have here is sand and sunshine. Now think about it. How do they expect us, the bankers who he knows in most of the country, they're protesting in front of banks and stuff? You might wonder why I mention this. And this fits in. As the wheels turn and there's that one line, I feel like I'm a cog in something turning. That cog is like a part of a wheel, a gear. We've brought George Washington's visions, the three wars on this continent. But remember now. When you count back to 2007 we were four years into this economic thing that a lot of the world and they were telling this in the beginning until about two years ago they stopped telling us this because I remember hearing for about 18 about a year and a half after about six months of you know the economic downturn in 2007 that the world was blaming America for this see where I'm going with that and well Eventually, they'll blame America and wish to get their pound of flesh. I, because, well, there's no riches left here. All we have is, and I'm not particularly talking about Greeks, but all we have is sand and sunshine. America is, excuse me, the land of plenty. We better go there and get something. Now, that is an alter, we better go there and get something, is, oh, A different way of saying the thought line of the Chinese general that was brought over and many others, I call them shows. About 10 or 12 years ago when a Chinese general told a whole bunch of boys standing in front of him, if you want a wife you're going to have to go to America and take one. Now there's another reason for the godless hordes, the people who wish to rape, kill and burn to come here. They do fit in, don't they? And if you're of the mind, and I know that almost everybody listening to this hour, again, I see nods in the crowd and I hear a hear hear. This is the thought, you need to turn around and just work on that person sitting on the fence, oh, it'll never happen here. Run that by him. I had to interject, Mark. I yield the floor to you, sir. Well, one of the things that I can see on the horizon, and this is, in looking at most of the proposed activities. Of course we just had Larry Prada when he is of course rather thrilled by some of what he's been seeing around the country, especially with what's happening in Washington with Parsicle and Facetius slash Operation Gun Runner, Operation Gun Runner, Operation Gun Runner, call it what it really is. The bad guys are in a quandary over how to, you know, trying to figure out how to suck up to do damage control for the Batfaggots and for the other federal agencies that have been lying through their teeth. and the Senate today by the way, Don, we didn't get a chance to even touch on that. The Senate is supposed to have voted yesterday and today and basically stated that, well, they were going to cancel out fast and furious or that operation would not be allowed anymore. And it's like, well, wait a minute, I thought it was completely canceled already, wasn't it? Wasn't that the lie they said before that they'd already stopped all of this? Wow! Well it turns out that the Senate got involved today so you know to try and do damage control and apparently it was a unanimous vote against the Batfaggots. So and again because everybody knows you know everybody knows the ship is sinking everybody knows these you know they're not my captain but the captain lied. Because I know better I guess I don't listen to the fools in that respect and then I know they're not our they're not our leaders are not management They're simply manipulative meat puppets used by whoever it is behind the scenes is trying to get us all killed Now we need to work at that Not getting killed making sure it's them first. Okay, in other words if they come out and try any nonsense We've got to be ready to win so attitude is everything but also he got to have the quartermaster of the ordinance the Deep supply system in place and it has to be tactically deployed. It cannot be at central locations It needs to be out in everybody's hands already You need to have the gear you need to have the weapons you need to have the magazines you have the spare parts You need to know how to use your equipment. You better be handling it And you better be serious about it because the bad guys are. Everybody's getting this bad, ominous feeling or at least now what's happening is much like we saw before the American Revolution, people are figuring that the only option they have is to strap on their weapon and to explain that this is it, enough's enough, don't try to go any farther with this. Everybody's realizing there is no, and I will say this again, there is no reconciliation and there isn't. The only thing the option, the only option the other side's going to have is to try and puff up farther and at some point it's going to kick off. Now, the only thing we can do is be ready for it. So, again, the ideas we've given you, especially about magazines and ergonomics, a lot of you out there are getting older. And this is something that happened in 1765 through 1775. A lot of veterans of the French-Indian wars were middle-aged or older by the time the actual war started. Okay, so they had to change some of what they were doing or they had to develop skills in different ways to it You know, we promote or you know their advancement in years to make them work We're gonna be we have the advantage we have so much technology at our fingertips I've given you so many ideas especially with the gear web gear clothing equipment guys, you know grab what you can especially if it's cheap and on sale Convert your FRNs to something that's useful Because if the efferens go in the toilet a lot of people have already lost pretty much all their life savings or their 401ks or whatever BS you know the system had that we let a second party middleman manage and the second party middleman stole Okay, well don't let that happen again. Just take it and start converting it into tangible raw material that you could use And that can be all the gear we've listed and then some magazines. That's an investment. Ammunition, everybody keeps saying, where's the ammo we're going to have a problem with? Well then buy more. We need to get the ammunition out there in bulk and where it needs to be, where the people can use it. On that note, several of the companies carry preview partisan, Don. That's the Russian ammunition that's boxer prime, heat annealed. They make it in ball or in soft point ammunition. All the exotic calibers or unique calibers are made by Prevy Partisan and that's where you save. The 308, the 30-06, all over the... I got a good price on 0.06. But the standard US calibers, I wouldn't be worried as much about, but for those you have the 6.5 Carcano, the 6.5 Swede, you might have a 7.5 French. They even make many of the Wildcat cartridges like the Grendel, which to me is a unique cartridge even though it's American. If you have one of those, you better be buying ammunition for it. That's the neck down, you know, basically actually neck up, .223 case. There are several other types of loads that are like that that are available The 8 millimeter labelle that's an oddball. There's a lot of labelle rifles. I can't Last time that was available the Koreans were bringing it in right now PV Partisan is offering 8 millimeter labelle guys you give me an 8 millimeter labelle rifle It'll serve just fine for what we're doing look at it about the it has the same rating as the 762 by 54 m91 nagat And in many ways has a similar feel. So if you haven't seen a LaBelle before, that's just to give you the ballpark. Although it does take stripper clips, some models do. And those are what are going to be tough. And numeric arms, slash old numeric arms, slash gun parts company has them. Well, we'll buy very many because they're expensive but you know by my standards used to be there ten cents apiece But you can get some and you would have make that weapon viable It doesn't have to work as a battle rifle remember that rifle can be a security weapon to have more weapons in the rear or on standby is critical. In a combat situation, most people don't know this but as far as logistics, you're supposed to have 10% of the arms that are carried available, 10% over what is presently in the field because men will drop rifles, men will lose rifles, rifles get shot, rifles get blowed up. So think about it. Do you have the overage or excess or spares that you need? Well, it may not be the exact same rifle you were carrying, but better something that goes boom than harsh language. Okay, so just keep that in mind. Don, before we go, your number for night vision, tell people how they can get hold of you because we're going to be at the end of the hour and they'd be able to call you right after the program. Thank you, Mark. You guys, the phone number is 23179684231796858. I hope you learned if you're paying attention you're gonna learn a lot more on this hour than you would watching survivor That's non survivors really should have reached name those problems There's nothing to do with survival skills has nothing to do with any common sense and has no nothing to do with intelligence In fact, it's a classic example of why most of these turkeys out there need to be put in the ash bin You know because when you watch the you know some of this nonsense I can buy as we know here's the basic map out if there's a person who knows how to survive and actually has any skills That's the first person that gets bumped out. Yep. That's simple beyond that the rest is watching boobies and incompetence as they go cannibal It's like I can do that from a distance Let's just let me do you see some aerial shots as we watch the bones appear outside the hut. You know what I mean? Yep, all that pile of bones is getting bigger. Hey look down. They've got white bowling balls Those aren't bowling balls. Oh, oh, okay. I guess you're right. Oh Anyway, we are getting close to the top a couple of things here again as I said aim surplus is one at www.aim surplus comm aim surplus comm aim surplus comm they have pretty partisan ammunition and they have it in to include unique pistol calibers So if you have some of the oddball pistol calibers This is another way to get hold of some cheap ammunition or at least reasonably cheap ammunition by comparison It's no more expensive than any other commercial load. I think that's the big plus For instance, they've got a 6.5 carcano load that runs 1295 a box That's no more expensive than 300 wind or forgive me 300 Savage or 3030 or 308 So for boxer prime heat and yield reloadable cases you buy a spy get yourself a set of 6.5 carcano dies and Build up the support for that rifle, but again start buying the brass buy the ammo M19 39 6.5 carcano. They're a little crude on the bolt action itself. They're stiff, but they work and again nothing fancy Nothing to write home about, but again here, congratulations. 6.5 Carcano and here's a can of ammo. Use it. That's how it works. The other thing is 6.5 Jap. And a lot of you have grandpa's guns or dad's guns now. And if you do, chances are you've got a rifle that came back from anywhere from Guadalcanal to Iwo Jima. And yeah, anywhere in between. Those rifles are some of the strongest actions in the world. It's an old Enfield action, the Arasaka. And in reality, it's rated with the highest pressure chamber resistance of pretty much any action out there. So guys you're not gonna over pressure with a standard factory 6.5 load. Trust me. Also 7.7 JAP is out there too. So that's another option. Do this ASAP. And in fact pay days come up here in two days. It's Wednesday right now. Go out there and pick up some ammo. And again order what you need for your unique rifles even if it's only a couple boxes at a time. You'll notice if you buy three boxes or more Then there's a price differential, it knocks down a little bit. Even if it's 50 cents a box, that makes a difference. That's go store shipping. Last but not least, and I don't see the listing here. Oh, we want to say thank you everybody for supporting the dyers. And Sergeant Dyer does have independent counsel for those who have missed that. That's something that's making a big difference. We still need to cover the costs and expenditures. More on that tomorrow because we're running out of time now. I know we're gonna hear the music, get's ready to cue that up. And it has been raining, it's gonna continue to be. Make sure you got your cold weather and what weather gear squared away and that you've reassigned and reconfigured your kit to reflect winter operations now, including your snow camo. God bless the Republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march both day and night. Hoorah, dot your number for night vision, please. Two, three, one, seven, nine, six, five, eight. Very good. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless you, America. Hey, have you heard the word? 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