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It turned dark now, but it was a beautiful day, this 12th day of October, year of our Lord, 2011. And again, the 12th day of October, you guys, for this type of weather, this type of year, I'd almost say it's Al Gore's fault, but we have to Al Gore lie to take credit for it. But again, the 12th day of sober, and the day it is, is a particular day that makes me bring this bit of hardware as close to the microphone as I can get it. So you can hear one in the chamber, the slide jumps the battery, and the magazine is in the well. It is weapons. Wednesday, the perimeter is secure. And there's plenty more where that came from. Weapons Wednesday where you take notes if we can offer information we will Remind everybody right off the bat remember we have all that's right. We've got the Knob Creek machine gun shoot coming up here only in a matter of days 14th 15th and 16th so if we're gonna get out there make sure you take hearing protection eye protection and in the process square all the rest of your gear away to include rain gear and you might want to take a wagon and also a wagon or a two wheel dolly, whatever you want to drag stuff out of there. Of course people will help you with that too, that's what they have the mules for. But in the process you can probably take advantage of the situation before you get there and buy yourself a flat of water. or load some containers up and take it with you because you will need it. Trust me, everybody underestimates how thirsty they get down there. It's dry, a lot of powder in the air, and a lot of exciting things going on. And Don, what's happening on your neck of the woods and what's jumping off the wall there, sir? Well, it is Weapons Wednesday, you guys, and I want to reiterate on a thumbnail, an earlier conversation about formulas, because even our boys worked a formula for Iwo Jima, They figured the Japanese can have this there and they can have that there and it will take us X amount of days to attract it, to make it worthless, to run it out of fuel or to run it out of ammunition. Now we elaborated on this in the 5 o'clock hour talking about the Bilderbergers looking at the amount of ammunition and guns sold into America. And they have a formula. They figured that well, They can work America for six months or six years. I don't know the number, what they have figured. But you know how to crush that, how to make that worthless to them? I repeat, and this is, it's so basic because they overlook the American rifleman. And what does the American rifleman do, Mark? He takes aim, doesn't he? He takes, I'll repeat it, take aim. Don't waste a single bullet on the other side. Make everyone count. It's not like, I wouldn't waste a bullet on them. No, I'm going to make everyone count. That's going to totally upset their apple cart. It's going to take the wheels off their bus. That's going to take the wind out of their stales and the steam out of their boiler. Think about it. Expecting you to expend about 200,000 rounds to kill one of their boys. It's the modern formula. It's modern math. But again, the way to crumble that, the way to make that sandcastle erode into the sea, is to take aim. I went on about this as far as shooting paper. You know you guys, that's something that doesn't move. You can learn the wind and you can learn your drop chart real well shooting paper, and if you have the good amount of range. But, have you ever taken a shotgun into the field and shot at that rabbit? Shot at that rising bird? Well, it's a little bit different game. It has to happen quicker, it's a different formula, but it will give you the ability to shoot at a moving target. It's an acquired thing, because you can do it well on Nintendo or whatever the newest, latest gaming is. Because you can do it on there well doesn't mean that that skill will transfer three dimensions in the real world, will it, Mark? Exactly and one interesting things here, you know, I wanted to make sure we touch on this tonight real quick Everybody's gonna go down a knob Creek. You're gonna see a lot of what we talk about even Custom bolt 50s custom pistols custom rifles. I don't think we mentioned that enough time, you know, we talked about the machine gun shoot But if you're gonna go down there this weekend most everything we're talking about in technology off-the-shelf material and equipment even information There are a lot of people down there that are shooting gurus that show up at Knob Creek that set up down there guys. So everything that you're going to need that we're talking about, one thing is visualizing. We can describe it for you and try real hard over the airwaves. And actually, people who listen to radio typically have a little more stronger imagination anyway. That's one of the arguments. That's why television kind of dumbs you down again because they throw the imagery out there and you have to turn your brain off to be satisfied with what you see. whereas your mind, your imagination is carried with radio. What's fascinating is down there many times we've had people who have shown up with some technology and equipment that has actually changed the firearms industry. And that's another reason it's kind of cool to go down to Kanob Creek. As I pointed out, authors show up there too. You might recall the author of Unintended Consequences. was down there and set up and has been there before. Now of course the book is kind of prophetic in line with what we're seeing right now guys. Also I don't know if we're gonna see this happen or not, maybe not this time around, but James Wesley Rawls would be a good opportunity if he were set up down there for one weekend at Knob Creek maybe in the spring with survivors with the new book. But a lot of other technical information is available. The other thing I think people make a big mistake is when they're down there they don't ask enough questions. Hey, how does this thing work? Remember a lot of these guys that are using the weapons, you know, are there any quirks? Is there something strange we should know about? You see a guy sitting there with an M250 caliber and he's using it and he likes his toy. Typically he also likes to talk about it. If you ask, you know, intelligent questions or unintelligent questions, typically it doesn't make a difference. They still would like to talk, you know, about their toy. So, if you ask a question, it will probably be answered. And sometimes more than even expected because you may have opened a whole can of worms on a subject that he has been mulling over for a long time. And, boy, somebody asked actually a subject question that is near and dear to my heart. You may not be able to get him to stop. Don't be surprised there. The other thing is get a chance, watch some of the other walkthrough live fire courses because there's other competitions going on too. And you can observe those while you're there. And that should be something that everybody, even if you don't participate, take a few minutes, walk through and check the chutes out to see what's going on there. Pistol, rifle, antique bolt rifle. or old bolt rifle etc. So there's a lot of stuff submachine gun, assault rifle etc. Real assault rifles. Our rifles that we get are semi-autos. They are not assault rifles, they are carbines. The real ones have select switches that go clack, clack, clack or clack, clack, clack, clack. Okay, depending upon how many different options they have. Anyway, Dom, go ahead, please, I'm sorry. Well again, you know, that's something you'll hear every once in a while on this hour is, uh, take aim. Don't waste a single bullet. And, you know, we think that, yeah, I'll make everyone count. But the only way to get there is practice. And as mentioned, have you ever shot a moving target? That's a good question. Have you ever, you know, that running rabbit, that rising bird? I'd go back to that. Why? Because, well, and it's been offered moments ago. Plenty of people shoot at things that are standing still. Wait a minute. I have to ask, I have to quote the the, oh, what was it? The, oh, the Swedish shooter. I don't remember his name. I tried to draw it out. There's a number of U's in his name. After the war, he was asked about shooting Russians. And a reporter, obviously a peace nick, was aghast at his answer when she asked him, did you find it hard to shoot human beings? He said, Yes, they tend to run in zigzag and duck and hide. And it was a female giving an interview after that, and she was appalled at that. Did you find it hard to shoot human beings was a humanitarian question. And she expected him to mull over the philosophical, but he went right to bare bones. He went right to the nitty-gritty of it. Yes, it's hard to shoot human beings because they run and they zigzag and they duck and they hide. Now that's what I'm trying to address here because well, when was the last time you saw that paper target run? Well, they do move if you have a range set up for it. When was the last time you saw it zigzag? When was the last time you saw it lift its head up and hunker back down real quick? Or when was the last time you approached that paper target from the side while it was so intent on what was at its front? You could almost walk right up to it but it didn't have a frame like it was a piece of paper. Well, there's a different reference there, but you get my drift, don't you? There's a whole lot in the world that a bunch of us have not done yet. And we need to get that up to speed real quick because, well, much like the bridge project mark, you never can tell when something's going along great and all of a sudden it ain't going along anymore. And sometimes I strive to practice proper English, but all of a sudden it ain't going along anymore. That could very well be the American people. All of a sudden, they ain't going along with the game plan anymore. One of the things we talk about, especially cutting paper, when we're out there practicing, we're going to be training, training, and training. To make mobile targets is not that complicated. In fact, think about all the different ways you've made little like or you've seen little like train car systems. It's real simple, real straight forward as far as designs go, but you don't need to make it move that far. You just need to set it up so that it's arranged, so that it's easy to use, easy for you to release and then watch it move. Even if it has to be reset manually over and over again, moving targets or moving systems like that are not that difficult. to in place and then actually set up as like we've done in some of the facilities make it a variable geometry training aid where you can put it in different locations establish it and You know then when you've used it through the cycle move it to a location the reason for this is to give you variables and performance Sometimes in an indoor range what they'll do Don you know especially have the automated or electric targets and They'll actually have the paper target at the maximum point and one of the ways you can test your ability to respond is to actually have the target zoom towards you. A lot of times you have to weight the base because the paper of course doesn't hold a whole lot of resistance and so it has a tendency to fold but that's a little trick that people have used for years to practice when approaching a salent. One of the things we have to remember is that our targets are not going to stand there and be nice little cutouts for us. Now we can still train and use this for basic marksmanship. And again, conditioned, repetitive performance makes all the difference in the world when it comes to automatic response. or reflect shooting as eventually it becomes developed into you're so conditioned that you're able to ID, muscle memory, everything locks in place and there's a high probability of a hit with a limited aiming technique. In other words, a spontaneous fire. Well, Mark, let's talk about armor for a minute and reinforce what we've been talking about. Why was it? I have a question. Just like I'm a caller. Ding, ding, ding. We've got a caller. The caller has a question that says, why was it when the Abrams tank appeared on the battlefield or after major production that it was touted as the best tank in the world? Oh, mobility as much as anything. Mobility and improved armor. Yes, but its ability to shoot on the run. Yep, and return fire when the time came. Yes, exactly. It's a shoot scoot. Yup. Before that you guys, every tank battle became static for an instant. Unless there was just that running shot that was so close that the commander was certain he couldn't miss and he'd tell the gunner, shoot, kick one off now. You know, he might see this coming and say, you got one in the tube, yeah, and bang it out now. And just because of opportunity and zero-ness of range, immediacy of range, you can't, before the Abrams and laser targeting, tanks had to come to a stop to almost guarantee a hit on an opposing vehicle. But this goes back over to aim, take aim. Well, we've talked about, you know, that laser ability from the main tube and now it's tied to the coaxial machine gun, but that is what made the Abrams the killer tank for a while. But there are other systems that do that now and they aren't American built. And it scratched my head a little bit and wondered, where is the Abe? You know, there are brand new Abrams out there today. Where are they built? They aren't built down there on 8 Mile in the Chrysler factory anymore, are they? That was the question that I wanted to bring to the hour a couple weeks back. when we were talking about tanks and how many Abrams hulls were built. One of the people who worked down there who was not a line worker, who was one of the big wigs in numbers there, can't tell me how many tanks there were built. It's not because it's secret, but because they're built in a whole lot of different places now, but generally not in America. Right, we haven't had, in fact, when TARCOM, Tank Automotive Command, will close down, we point it out time and again, this now more than a decade and a half ago plus, guys, the last of the table scrapings of the machinery coming out of that factory, we bought. Think about that. There was so much that they, in fact, we Americans were not even allowed to bid on the heavy machinery that was on site. It was automatically handed over to foreign nationals and to foreign companies and in the second phase the Chinese both the communist Chinese and the Taiwanese had first pick over the American companies getting any of that technology I know that for a fact because we carried away the Don the they had three ton six ton and nine ton chain hoist Hydrate electric. Yeah three on a pallet for $90. Oh my god That's that that was like I said that was considered table scraping skies got to remember the tanks are dealing with way how much per turret how much per per hull These were the little machines in the shop Those are meant for picking up road wheels. Yeah. Yeah exactly stuff like that So the interesting thing is that as I've pointed out years ago when Tarkom went down all of its it's sundry machinery that was secondary and that was bid on. One of the guys that was my age, he was very innovative, he knew what he was a computer and nobody knew what the internet was. And Don, he got all the codes for all the heavy machinery around the country. He bought a parkerizing plant from Tarkom, from where Tank Automotive Command. Basically it'd be about the length of, what about I'd say 60 yards, it was about 60 yards for the whole machine. And from one end to the other you put the metal in, it did all the processing, did all the plating, the holding yards, came off the other end, did the drying, the dripping, the cleaning, and it was all self-contained. It was moved in three modules. He bought it for about $2,000. First he bid on it. First he found out what it was. Then he had them laying a concrete slab, even as he was getting ready to bid on it, ordered the pole barn to go on the concrete slab, pay I went to the auction I know cuz I he actually went to the seal bid they had a seal bid auction on that but he went to the auction that where they were buying the chain hoist and this is all I know what he was doing with the seal bid and he went to the pedal auction where we were got the bid confirmed while we were there that yo yeah by the way it's in the mail so you already got the bid $2,000 for the machine Had to pay more to have it moved had it moved it with three low boys and about $2,000. Oh, yeah a lot more latch was on more than that each trek load was about four or five thousand dollars You know to move everything because it was this massive machinery over oversized load the whole nine yards that only emphasizes the value of the machinery Oh, yeah, so he turned around dropped that right onto the concrete slab that he already had cast everything was in place All the power lines were there and he bet he made a park rising plant He literally turned it around found some guys that are you know retired from tarka and some other people are in the industry They put the machine online and he built a park rising plant with that machine that had come out of tarka Now the other thing is that he was also buying other machinery. He built an entire business the to order Based upon being able to pick the equipment up as they were as he was picking the bones of our national defense system as it was being torn apart by the traders He made an entire heavy machinery industry out of it and kept a lot of the equipment not only in the United States, but kept it online Which was really critical otherwise either gone to the scrapyard or the Chinese would have gotten it or the you know Europeans that again Middle Easterners would have gotten the Israelis So just something to think about there and again, we don't have the ability to produce what we need when the time comes That's all gone. That's what most people realize. We got a caller by the way. Who do we have? Oh? Alright Sounds like we have Winterborne there. Yeah, for whatever reason the other conference line cut out about the time Don went warbly on us. Ah, interesting. Well, the present existing conference, the new conference line is in place, right? Yeah. That's how I'm hearing it. That's how we're here. Okay, so let's remind everybody that's 7124320900. That's 7124320900. 7 1 2 4 3 2 0 9 0 0 and the room code is 9 5 7, boy I don't want to do that tonight, 9 5 7 4 6 4 and the pound sign that's 9 5 7 4 6 4 and the pound sign. Make a card up for that everybody pass it on everyone else in the chat room if you would post it again and we'll go from there how's that sound. Anyway real quick on this Let's see, last end of this particular subject with regard to heavies, this is another thing about armor, and this is why I did the Militia Armor series, because guys armor doesn't go obsolete. In some cases, armor that's lighter that covers you against most things but not everything is actually a good thing. A lot of tank crews and a lot of gun crews know if you've got the finger of God coming towards you, dodging it is your first choice, but if you get hit, Well, you'd rather you not slow it down too much. In some cases, if you're lucky, it might go through and it's a fickle finger of fate as to who gets finalized on that. But, in many cases, the round will go through, pass through both layers of armor inside and on one side and on the other, and then detonate outside the vehicle. And that sounds like, well, wow, it's like a big rifle round. Well, that's exactly why they call these rifles, these are rifle cannons, these are rifles for all practical purposes. and they're traveling at such high velocities that in reality the standard tank ground is moving about the same speed as the .6. You know, the .88 gun notorious for that. We have a Bren gun carrier that's in our fleet that took a hit on the gunner's side. and cut a swathe on an angle through the Bren gun carrier and actually the driver, a Canadian driver, told us, oh yeah, this happened a lot in North Africa. In his case, he was driving the thing, or basically the same vehicle, and he was the only survivor. But the round went straight through the carrier and out the other side, and it would have turned it into a splayed tin can were it not for the fact that the armor didn't slow it down that much and it detonated outside the vehicle. But the armor was great for small arms and even smaller caliber cannon. Yep, exactly. It would protect especially fragmentation guys. Better that that steel be there than you are hanging in the breeze. Yep. So that was again logic. It's no, it doesn't protect you from everything. It protects you from a certain amount. It's why there's different degrees of body armor that you wear. You know, people go, oh, it's old body armor. Okay, it's threat level two. Probably three. It could be even threat level 1B or 1C. or threat level 2. So if it's older and you can't afford a whole lot but you already have a bunch of it somebody gave you, then you layer it guys. You can actually upgrade it in different ways. The chicken plates alone can upgrade the armor as far as cord protection. And then there's other techniques for using other military vests over top of say a level 2 vest. between the two, you know, the older style, PASGAT, always these people, these comment about the PASGAT armor. Guys, I tested all of that. I hear all this stuff, well, you do some stuff, but I think most people open their mouth on that, don't know anything about it. Okay? And they're repeating what they've heard as a rumor because 99.9% of the people have not seen anybody hit with any of that armor on. And I'm serious, it's all past, you know, third party, fifth party, 10th party repeat propaganda or rumor. Now, I do things scientifically and when we got this stuff down, what we would do is we would get, I've still got two foot lockers full of just the Pazgan armor, which is more of a yellow shade. I've taken everything from 22 short up to 30-06, knowing full well that the O2-06 is not going to be slowed down much. But the reason for that is to take five rounds and test five rounds against that armor, you know, with gelatinous, with a ballistic type gelatin behind it, and I even simulated rib cages because, you know, it's not just the impact on that gelatinous. What does it do to bone? You know, you can be all kind of sitting there kind of gagly-bagley kind of, but you're kind of sloshy on the inside with crackly parts where the ribs are kind of shattered. You know what I mean, Don. Oh yeah. Uh oh. We're starting to warble again there. That's kind of interesting. Something else going on. Break up. There we are. A little static there. Anyway, um... One of the things that gets me about this is in testing it, 22 stopped everything. Pretty much everything. Uh, with the PESGAT, 25, yep, 32. Ah! The CHEC32 could go through a little bit. because that's hotter and was made for the Scorpion pistol. I mean we tested more than just American .32 ACP. However, that's a conical projectile, not much of it out there in the market anymore. .380 Auto, yep, stop that. Most 9mm, stop that. .38 Special, let it stop. Round nose, it varies. Hollow point, cut a little more into the armor. .357, ouch! Okay, oh didn't want to get hit with that because it penetrated most of the way through Especially with an AP round because they do make Winchester AP 357 and I have it we tested it and Yep, it would go through and leave a dimple on the inside which means ouch. I hope I had that other layer armor underneath Then into the rifle rounds 7.62x39 it would deflect but would not stop. .223 it would stop some but not others and I'm not going to go through the whole list. Hollow points and jacketed soft points pretty much the PASGAT armor would stop. When we get up into high powered rifle like .308 .30-06 well again now you're losing it because you're looking at a lot more penetration energy especially at intermediate and point blank range. For what it was intended, fragmentation and some small arms, the Pascat armor is more than serviceable enough. And I don't expect you to shoot one of those vests apart. Now, I'm going to point this out. We've also talked about using helmets. And most people didn't know, Dom, that there were training-type Pascat helmets out there. OK? In fact, I mean they were just plastic. Yeah, just plastic and you know what's interesting is even a couple of the big companies brigade quartermaster Which is actually a pretty reliable company out there They bought a whole bunch of the British pass get the British you know cup helmets that they built back in the you know 80s and A lot of people were about wow they got a great deal on them and they were selling these things for about $70 apiece through brigade quartermaster All of a sudden there was a big shuffling and they offered these how they actually had to call a bunch of stuff back But what happened and one of the reasons they got into trouble is because of us In fact one of our guys who might be listening right now who is overseas. I think he's over in Kosovo I grabbed a bunch of these because they were reasonably priced. Actually, they were a little cheaper. You bought them in quantity. Well, we took a pistol and started bouncing away bullets on them. Of course, scientifically, he started with .22, didn't stop it. Started with .25, didn't stop it. .32, didn't stop it. He's like, whoa, wait a minute. He hit it with 9 millimeter. Went with one side and out the other. Well, then I said, well, take a look at the helmet. What's the weave of the material? And he said, oh, there's no weave. It's just a solid piece of. And it was like. Yeah, real thick. And it turned out that these were, and they do make sense that you'd have training helmets like this, guys. I mean, they're going to protect you from bouncing on the, bouncing your bean. They give you the simulation of weight, and they're cheaper for the government to produce, and they prioritize their armor for combat. You see how that works? Well, somebody didn't tell anybody. The Germans made these, and the British made them. The Germans made US Pascat copies, the British made a copy of their helmet. These ended up on the market. Now they're out there and they're selling them in the paintball industry. And to be quite honest, even if all used them, you could use them for combat helmets because they still are going to protect your noggin from branches, chunks of rock, and bouncing your head in places you don't want to. The disadvantage is don't expect a whole lot of bullets or ammunition to be slowed down by anything because they just don't have the texture of the material reinforcing for that. They're not structurally designed for that. Or even a fast moving rock or part of a rock. Yeah. Call that bald. Yep, in fact, remember as we said, that was taught on the range. If you shoot in front of somebody and a rock bounces up off the ground, chances are, remember it's that old equal reaction thing. The bullet that proceeds is pretty well traveling at almost the same velocity. I should say the pebble that proceeds is moving at the same velocity as the billiard ball that hit it. Yep. So that counts. You don't want to get hit with a rock doing, oh it's not doing 2,800 feet per second. Now it's only doing, oh, 1,900. Yeah. It's only 1,100, but you know that 1911, it's lower bullets are at like 900. Yeah, so it's gonna be more enough of a rock to do ouchy on you, okay? So get the hell out of the light of fire. It's that simple. Don't assume, oh, he missed me. This is not the A-team. Close misses in front of you can be very embarrassing, okay? The other thing about this with this armor, We have a caller too. Hold on just a second caller. One of the other things about this is guys, again, even if I had to put safety helmets on people, be quite honest, a lot of the damage that takes place in the field is not from projectiles, it's from you bouncing your noggin on a busted open door frame. You rip your head open, okay? A really nasty wound that looks terrible, though in many cases not life-threatening. You know, a scalp gak? Okay. Oh, scalp bleeds profusely. Everybody goes into panic in the cutter and also the person got cut, but also the people are standing there looking at it. So to kind of eliminate a lot of that nonsense, just any kind of helmet or headgear you can find that's got a bounce resistance to it counts. Even a fireman's helmet camouflage colored, not red anymore, would be better than nothing. Yeah, and in fact there are many other helmets out there that I try to collect all the skateboard helmets you can they got a good brain bucket length to them they look like a tactical helmet to begin with you can usually get them for free or for 25 cents or a dollar and What you do is take some of that nice tactical paint from the dollar store They're all one color They all look great and you know again hand them out here you go put a helmet cover on it nobody know the difference That's right. You see, we've done that many times. It's like if you need more gear, the idea is put something on there because if we're going to wear a soft cap, there's no protection there. And especially in night operations, you're going to have night vision, you're going to have technology. Consider this, you're focusing with a night vision, but you didn't notice that branch that's about forehead height, that's about three and a half feet away. You take the next two steps and you find out where it is. Oops. I bet you that hurt. So again, from practical experience, I'm going to tell you something. I used to get the Swedish Model 29 helmets for $3.50 a piece of quantity. Those helmets, that Model M29 helmet, has saved my life twice. And I will say that without being out of shadow of a doubt that had my noggin been out there on its own. Well, let's put it this way. I've been talking differently. Or at least for a while I'd have been talking a lot differently than maybe recovered in the long run. And again, in both cases, night operations guys. Where, you know, again, you can't see everything and all it takes is one flash blind and you're on the move trying to avoid being killed and guess what? Pop pop boom boom. I didn't see that one coming. Well, that's what armor is for You know those things that you didn't catch right away. You don't see that bullet coming either. Do you and a straight? Well Sometimes I guess you could maybe that last moment. Ah, there it is Anyway, we got a caller. Who do we have? Oh, well, we have a caller doesn't know it. There we go. Okay patient listener not a problem Another thing here too is guys again rate the stuff. Here's a little trick and this is something I still have not had a chance to test out completely. But Don, have you ever looked at football armor and what it's made out of? Oh the new stuff is, it makes 1964 look like that movie, the football movie lately with the leather helmets. Yeah, you're right. The new stuff actually if you go into the higher end is all Kevlar. Yep. Not only is it all Kevlar, but it actually has layered they have layer ratings now guys Where do you think that what part of the industry do you think that came from and what do you think it's gonna? Do since they're doing the compressed armor just like you find with the past get helmet that everybody's wearing or the Israeli helmet or the whatever helmet depending on what it's all laminate Kevlar So yeah one thing to consider and I haven't had a chance to really check it out You've got these down you've got these resell sport shops now that are buying football armor, hockey armor, golf clubs, whatever. Guys, if you do a quick search, you can find and get all the information on who does what and what Kevlar. Then you take that list and print it out and you go to the resale shops and you find what's sitting around that might be rather interesting to have, you know, repainted into a tactical camouflage. Think about it, yeah. Now, here's the thing. Everybody goes, well, but Mark, it's just that bite. No, I'm talking about putting that over your threat level two armor. Yeah, now you've upgraded. There you go. Or if I have another... I mean, think about it, for shock infantry. Again, you're not going to be carrying a lot topside and you're going to have to rethink your assault gear. But with the molly gear and the other stuff that's out there, you readjust and drop the center of equipment for your equipment. You don't leave anything up top because you're going to have your shoulder armor and the side armor, which can be drawn down almost to the elbow if you do it right. And you're talking turtle shell like we were expecting to see, which is where the Pascat armor was going to go back in the 70s. They just didn't want to spend the money because we went into a depression. They were already, all the equipment was developed, they just didn't go there. And they would have eventually, just like you saw in Star Wars, where do you think Lucas got the idea for that from? It actually comes from the period when all this stuff was being talked about. Here's the logical progression, where it's going to go. And all he did was take an idea that was off the shelf and incorporated into that movie. That was already in place with the military forces of the planet. Now just because everybody's running around bare butt naked just about except for our forces like with Dragon Scale and all this other stuff. The logic was that we were going to see thigh armor, shin armor, knee armor, elbow armor, fore, fore, and in other words by the time we were done medieval night armor again. And I still see that coming in the long run. Oh yeah, if we continue in this area of operations and the improvised explosive, the IEDs, most of the wounded that are coming back out of Afghanistan are limbs lost. Why? Well, there's no armor there. And the torso armored up in the head where that most sophisticated battlefield computer rests are highly armored. Comes a big bang and there's watch the vehicle and the hot gases blast right through and there's part of Ralph over there on the wall. Why? Well, the rest of them survived because the armor held up. And it's exactly the point. It's a logical progression, Mark. You're right. Well, another thing that is going to come about here, and this is where I see the thing that hasn't been talked about yet is because we already talked, everybody was touching on yesterday the idea of energy weapon technology and how that's going to be coming up on us. Well, the standoff or the balance is going to be, yeah, for the energy weapon technology that's going to be out there, it's going to live for a little bit and then die. And real quickly, its support arm, the projectile fires, are still going to be there. So the problem is to stop energy weapon, you go into the ceramic range. See, the foam ceramic would be the lightweight. It can be striated with other polymers and with metals. And you end up with something that can actually stop cutting weapons that are laser technology or shall we say maze, phase, whatever they're going to come up with is a name for it. Bottom line is energy weapon technology. And it's not going to cover everything. Nothing you have. No body armor you have is going to cover everything. Now you can come up with a He-Man shield, which I believe is going to be one of those weird things that starts to show up again because of this problem. But it's not going to live forever because once you start to add more you lose mobility issue. Now they can start talking about energy suits and you already see talking like you were talking about the mechanical dog, DAWG, and you see that they were talking about exoskeletons which sound cool, but now you're starting to look at and what does a guy look like that's carrying all this extra weight if he's trying to go cross country. Let me point something out. It sounds really neat to say, you know, look I can carry a half ton or a ton of material How big is the shoe he's wearing? Right. Okay. How deep does it sink in the ground? Yeah Have you ever tried to take a forklift and move it cross-country just on a grassy grassy space in front of a business? Have you ever driven off the tarmac and into that grassy space next to the loading dock? What happens Don? It's like what they used to call a B-26, the Boston prostitute, no visible means of support. Oh man, now I gotta go get the truck and tell the boss I got the hilo over there in the grass. Oh man, everybody knows not to do that. Now here's the thing, you got a guy with an exoskeleton, the only option you have next is to distribute the weight. This is why tanks have tracks. And to do that, they actually have to, what they do, if you'll remember, we talked about this earlier, I always warn everybody in the morning about driving on the road. You only have so much adhesion between that little space, that little area at the bottom of the tire that makes contact with the road. Particularly if it's got the steel tread on for field and stream. Yeah. When tanks go through town, generally it's a standard operating procedures. They're going to go any length across concrete to rubber boots, travel pads, they don't tend to last very long but the locals don't. complain about what the tanks did to their roads. Yeah and the driver has to watch all those zero-g pivots and stuff like that which grind everything up both the track and the road in the process. Yep. So here's the thing imagine that guy with that neat exoskeleton suit and all of a sudden he's springing along because he's on that nice chunk of pavement that might be two feet thick and all of a sudden he takes fire and he decides he's got to get off the road. Well, he's carrying that one ton or that you know, thousand pounds of weight half a ton and he steps off the road and he's all the way up to his knee Now he slugs it out the first time but the other foot steps in it be almost look like a reversal of the member of the second terminator movie with the liquid Polymetall alloy remember when they're in the in the the furnace room. Yeah And break, break, snap, and he drops to his knee basically, or he snaps his knee off and he starts to walk on it or proceed to. I don't know where the computer's brain was on that one. But anyway, imagine that only like in reverse, because the soil just isn't going to be able to support the weight, the focused weight. You see? So the only option you have is to start padding it out. But when you pad something out, what's the next thing you do? You start to make a bigger target. You have to distribute the weight and not only that but consider this How much weight can that and the granted the exoskeleton is going to help a little bit But you got to be able to articulate so now you've got to have an articulated foot That's gonna have to distribute the weight over what about eight to ten inches in width and maybe about a foot and a half in length Well talk about Bigfoot now Bigfoot has some problems because you see every foot popper every land mine everything you can think of that I could create a That thing will set off every stumbling block and snare see for every everybody goes, but it's beautiful I saw the video look oh my god. It's like really wow I hope they all were one of those I'm like you know what? We watch some exoskeletons in the last few days on good morning America or this week or whatever They're saying that it was originally developed for the military in the military that soldier could carry about 200 pounds, but if you saw the videos Mark, the thing moves when it's walking with a person and it moves at a snail's pace. If the soldier could carry 200 pounds with that on his back, he's not a very fast target. Well, even if they upgrade with better pumps, I mean, let's go with, okay, now anybody ever been in an industry like this, how many of you have had the privilege of working in some place where you have high pressure hydraulics? Oh yeah. Have you ever had a line go out on a high pressure hydraulic unit? Oh you don't want that to happen. It'll cut through flesh and bone. Now my high pressure hydraulic unit that's going to have to move my exoskeleton faster isn't sitting four feet away from me. It's strapped next to my body. Yeah. It's really embarrassing when not only did I die with the line cut, it was pushed into my torso. The last thing I remember as I was dying was the hydraulic fluid gushing from my mouth and nose which splashed into the visor of my helmet because I had that neat little gas helmet on to make sure I was protected from the environment. Instead of it splashing on my little windshield and then filled up like an aquarium, where I was, you know, see, dying in my own bile, blood, and hydraulic fluid. I was drowning, but that's okay, don't worry, I was cut in half internally anyway. Kinda like everybody's got a flamethrower now. But dad, don't you know, they're just like the suits on G.I. Joe. Remember the new G.I. Joe movie? Yeah, uh-huh. That make you run like a cougar really fast. And they weigh nothing at all. And you get shot, shot, shot, shot, and there's no worry about the basic rules of physics with regard to... We're in care on the muscles alone. Right, well, yeah, and the problem I have with it is also the idea, if you start getting hit with bullets, it's 180 gray. 100, let's not talking on M16, because you're gonna face off off against militia. We're all in the 180 and 200 grain mark with all our MBRs. First of all, now if you look at what they did, they show a G minigun in 223 or 308, it's going, and the bullets are bouncing off. I don't care how they're bouncing off. Please tell me where the energy went when it hit the armor. Yeah. Mark didn't figure that I mean it just takes me a minute there. It's like energy forward and energy backwards. I see equal and opposite Oh, that's right, so I zipped him It's kind of like the whole thing that they did kind of bring up at least they were kind of honest remember in the matrix They're too fast they can dodge the bullet. What's the one thing they couldn't dodge the chopper coming up in that minigun gone filling the air with lead. Yes, exactly. It's like a chainsaw, guys. It's a chainsaw. See, so on that respect, I understand the ability of these weapons, and everybody needs to think that way, because they keep doing this, it's noodle-y resist, you'll be absorbed. Take aim. Yeah, for everything you add, yeah, there's more that can go wrong. That is a wonderful thing. I love that. Anything I draw down on the enemy and I hit is soft, dewy parts all over it. Tanks are enough of a problem as it is. They don't want you to think that way. Oh, tanks are, you know, well, when you get a slank tank flesk going, you're slugging at each other, I don't have to take and cap your turret off. I don't need to punch a hole straight through your hole to knock your hind end down. All I've got to do is make a hit a cherry hit where I like you know I know his drivetrain hit his best hit him in the drive sprocket That is a perfect shot because it you know everybody's nobody's made a perfect drive sprocket that can survive anything It's a working part the other thing is when it gets hit if they're in motion it it's kinetic energy damage it did it's becomes a kinetic energy machine self-destruct machine and it chews itself to death and and the track is somewhere, you know, stretched out the length of the track behind the vehicle with forward momentum and then it scuds in and digs and goes left or right, usually plows a little bit. So now they're on an askew can't, so calculating fire, I'm granted they can still return some fire if they're lucky, but meanwhile, as soon as they stop, everything I've got's going into that bread box on the roof. Yup. They've taken everything and put it into it, they don't want anybody to think about it, and even pixelated stuff so you wouldn't think about it. But tell me this, do you think that that bread box on that roof is better armored than the rest of the tank? Wait a minute. They have to look through it. Don't they? It has all their images for all of their view blocks or big screen TVs inside all the other BS they show you. So wait a minute if I don't hit the tank but if I scud nowadays my shot first shot one of my designated shots for my light gunners or say if I had a bunch of light attack vehicles and I was going up against armor is aimed to just to the face of the bread box on the glacis and scud your rounds into that bread box. I don't have to kill him. If he can't see Jack or Squat, where's he going? Just wait till he sticks his head out. Yeah, then my sniper and my light rifleman can do the rest and we'll take the pumpkin and splash it all over the inside of Commander's cupola. Pretty soon we'll have half a tank. Yeah, yeah, that's a sad part. You're chewing it up to get to it. But you know, think about the newest stuff. Everything, when you go new whiz bang, there's other things you can do to kill it. The exoskeleton, all the body armor and all that, you know, I didn't know they had something like that. We're showing it on television because I've seen some of the other videos. This idea, by the way, like everything else, is about 60 years old. In fact, the first models done to show up of the exosystems that reliably worked were done in 1962. What year is this now? 2011, year of our Lord. Yeah. In fact, you might recall that one of the first ideas was to do more of a sit-in robot, kind of like, or actually a response frame, kind of like what you saw in aliens. Everybody thinks that thing with aliens was something that was new. Remember? Oh, the loader? Yeah, that was actually, basically what they did is they expanded on and made a big mock-up of what was originally a barrel transfer and holding unit that was built to be used by stevedores to pick up loaded 55-gallon barrels of fluid. And they originally were, you know, they had hydraulic clamp systems and also articulated arm systems, the whole nine yards, all in extension, the person sat right in the frame and moved along with it. But like you said, you weren't exactly jogging. Okay? And you know the system, in fact this gets up into the whole idea of building bigger machines that would be more like battle tech machines. It's more likely that a Walker machine, which by the way I'm going to ruin everybody's day, what you saw in Star Wars were the two legged walkers and the four legged walkers was all figured out back in 1964. The same time that we also had M113 APCs, we built Gavin APCs. The laser defense project was built around a Gavin APC. The whole inside of the trip compartment was filled with battery packs and generator systems to provide the energy for a single laser which was mounted on the roof and looked like a turret for a submarine. 1964, what year is this again? 2011. Another point to be made here. You guys, if you read aviation history, World War I, World War II, when they were basically flying crates, sometimes you'd hear about a plane, B-17, P-51, come back riddled. Just like a civ is some of the descriptions. Both American and Op Force. When was the last time you heard of a jet fighter coming back riddled? Mark, I'm certain you can answer that. Oh, but there's no riddle there. Well, it'd be back during Desert Dust, but only because, again, they were a Ground-A-Tech aircraft. You know, they were coming in close, and they were getting their hind end, you know, chopped up by ZSU-23-4s and ZSU-57-2s, which everybody said were obsolete, which, by the way, that was a lie. Turns out they actually worked. Okay, but air-to-air combat, no, they just got a missile up your hind end. Right, but a jet engine's a lot bigger than a piston engine. Yeah. And one bullet in the right place will spoil a piston engine's day, but one bullet in a lot bigger places won't spoil a jet engine's day. That's right. He becomes, again, a kinetic energy machine with thousands of little blades. So I'm not connected to the shaft anymore. And they go everywhere. It's one of the reasons, like I said, when one of our guys was thinking about building a jet motorcycle, we kind of stopped and thought about that. He said, I thought about that after we had the conversation because he bought the jet engine. and he had the frame but he never built the bike because like he said it's not all the times it would work he goes the one time it would malfunction would be the last time it would malfunction both for me if he wasn't a father he never would be so anyway point is that when you look at the whiz bang they don't want you to think about the other half of this boy I'd be a bugger especially if you get into like Michigan with lots of water and you're carrying all the extra weight and everything and I zip your hydraulics and you're strapped into something. Now granted they're going to tell you all about how they'd fast release this and fast release that. So I can picture it like the guy's trying to go through rugged terrain, it's got lots of water, he's carrying his 280 pounds because he's overstressed, they would put more weight on than they're supposed to, I guarantee it. And he's flopping along with his extra wide floppy feet and he's mushing through some bad soil and all of a sudden, boom, somebody hits him with about four or five rounds of 308 at the leg. The hydraulic lines fail, part of it bleeds and stops because they have stopgap systems to try and save the hydraulic lines. Doesn't do any good. One leg works, the other one doesn't. Now what do you do with that? I was walking in circles. Yeah, what do you do? Hop? So in the meantime what happens is the leg crushes he falls sideways Now he's starting to sink because all that extra weight isn't exactly helping in the on the edge of that swamp He was working on working towards and so he tries to hit the fast release the 300 pounds of equipment is sinking but his left leg which was hit is still strapped into the harness and so he's desperately trying to get free from that and by the way, it's bullet resistance so they'll be protected from the body from you know small arms fire and and he's screaming for help and the other guys are looking at him because there's equipment still working. They're trying to get the hell away from the other small arms fire they're taking. And so as he's dragged down and you see these scratch marks on the edge of the swamp, the edge of the mire, I can show you there's hundreds of these right around where I'm sitting right now. First you see his torso start to disappear and you see him still screaming for help and over the radio they shut off frequency A because they don't want to hear him screaming anymore. Oh not to mention spots where there's artesian walls that will open up in the ground and swallow you. Exactly, a boot! And I'm talking first hand experience I swear if I did not have what I was holding on to across section I would have been lost along with my boots. My brother and friend Everett who's helped me run the station in the past where followed me were walking through the swamp at night through an area that I know and All of a sudden literally hole opened up in front of me My brother said he turned to look and then he looked back and I was gone Yep, and then all I all they heard was me all for help from the ground and all they could get a hold of it first was my head Now consider the fact that add 300 pounds of exoskeleton and armor and gear And everybody be pulling real hard and they might get your head. But hey, wasn't there more attached? Yeah, but it's still sinking. Yeah, that's the whole point. I lost a good pair of boots down that hole too. Yeah, it sucked them right off your legs. Well the point here, oh, I think we lost on oh Wow, okay there we are We still have Dom, but it's like that for whatever reason we've got a problem with this it's gone digital on us Yeah, we're warbling quite a bit. I'll tell you what that might be the computer though. I'm just we have that power We'll find out what's going on with this just as a reminder guys for that reason think ahead and just because the bad guys and other people are thinking there's some really cool toys and you may not want to pick them up and use them they're just basically death traps for our purposes that's right well we're gonna close out god bless the republic death of the new world we shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the empire is on the run but we are on the march both day and night here we go you're back to normal your number for night vision Dom you can reach me at