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We're also on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations. and Ultra Net Technologies both east and west of the Mississippi along with Southern and Central Alaska. We're on the Hallmark Network, Eastern Seaboard, top of Maine to the bottom of Florida, bottom of Florida, across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed to Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, a big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the Pitt and the 3rd, then working our way across the plains over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi and lining the Smoky slash the Blue Ridge where the restaurant crews are grabbing teams, the OK teams, and the Ma Bell Crime and Conservation. We're doing their part to help to bring us a replacement for the internet. Well, I'll tell you what, Darrell, it is a beautiful day here. What's it like over there in Pennsylvania and what is the day today, sir? Well, it's sunny and mild, about 68 degrees. Really nice humidity for a change. When I'm saying nice mini, it's not falling from the sky. And today is October the 5th, I do believe, and it's weapons Wednesday. Very good, and that means that we can offer equal opportunity, of course, for us with the resources that we have available. Phase plasma, iPhone 4, the range, UZ 9mm, cabin, spot-stool shotgun. Hey, just what you see on the shelf, buddy. Just what you see on the shelf. Anyway, I'll tell you what. Okay, then I take that AK-47, click any shot. Yeah, click any, click any, yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, it has been a beautiful day here. What is coming up on the schedule before we go any farther? Let's not forget that on the 14th, 15th, and 16th we got Kanob Creek. But what have you got over there in your neck of the woods going on? And what are you going to be at the next show? Well, the next show happens to be that weekend of 15th and 16th down at Rocky Grove. I have to fire a hall down there. I have tables down there so I will be there trying to raise money to pay my property tax, you know, my yearly rent to the real landowners, I guess. And then the following week, the 22nd Saturday at 1 o'clock in the afternoon at the Diamond Park, we're starting to set up things for a UN flag burning rally. The local celebrities from Braveheart Radio will be there speaking. I guess we've accumulated three or four blue and white rags that we planned to torch. All the permits have been obtained. Seeing how it's not illegal to burn the American flag in protest, but it is illegal to burn the U.N. flag. So we decided, well, that's for us. You know how we are. uh... break international law i guess bernie one-ray uh... everybody invited we're going to start setting up the one and went to about four o'clock four thirty saturday afternoon we were going to do it on the uh... you and a which is on a monday but uh... week you know weekdays people gotta work those who are still lucky enough to have a job And then we thought, well, no, we'll do it on a Sunday. But then we said, well, now that may not work because we have all those football heads out there that can't miss their weekly dose of football. And so we come up with Saturday as the day to do it. Very good. And of course, now, there's a bunch of other events. There are other gun shows going on. But this one, you'd be able to stop and say hi to Darrell. and ask him what's happening and the process actually see who you're listening to on the air here. You know we brought this up before but I can't stress enough. You know one of the areas that you've always been interested in is the pre-Civil War although I'm sure you've been involved in the Civil War reenactment one time or another too but the War of 1812 slash the Second American Revolution and the Rev War technology, which is a flintlock. And the flintlocks actually are a lot, most people have a hard time understanding, they actually are pretty reliable considering the fact that, or in fact the system that was survived it wasn't. But considering a flintlock actually, while it does require some expertise, is actually a lot simpler than most people can imagine and is pretty reliable in general, isn't it? Yeah, all you have to do is follow the same procedure first time you fire it to the last time you fire and make sure you clean if you are not in a hurry, make sure you clean the barrel out with a wire brush between each shot. You see, if you're looking at an artillery piece, for example, that they used cannon cues or even powder to set it off with, you always saw them running a brush down through the vent hole. That was the carosion out from, not corrosion, but the residue from the powder. Saw it the next shot with the waltz just as easy. And you always saw him running the ram down the barrel. And that was to do two things. Ram the barrel. The one end was wet sponged. Shoved it down here. That would put out any embers or coals. It was down in there plus wet down the The residue, then you took a dry sponge and you went down in there and ran it down through and then you also used a worm, which they went down in there and pulled out any debris that might be left in there. So it was really time consuming, but as far as the riflemen would go, a well trained and disciplined rifleman could do that three times a minute. So basically we're looking here again the ability to and how again for everybody that's listening because you see Calibers were quite wide in terms of what was built weren't they you have all the way up to Say what was the largest that was probably in service at the war see the war Civil War war for independence Our first war and then going on through to the pre Civil War period when we still had right up until cap and ball We still had flintlock out there Then we pick somebody up in the background. We got somebody in the background needs to mute. Oh, it needs to mute their radio or I'm going to mute them. Yeah. There we go. There you go. Yeah, the largest that I did I have on regulation, excuse me, is the Brown Best, which was a 75, I'm sorry, it was a 72 caliber ball. Okay, weighed about three-quarters of an ounce. Then the French, when they provided us with weapons, provided us with their Charleyville, it was a .69 caliber. And then of course we had all the different standard rifle, well, standard for them, rifle calibers for the woodsmen from, anywhere from .45, .50, and .54, and even some .36 calibers. There was even if the family was well to do they even could afford a 22 caliber for the for the kids teams But so there was a wide range from 22 all the way up to 75 caliber so in reality again as I pointed out wide range and but of course depending on the family of weapons where it came from like you said the mountain men and used a purely a matter of the gunsmith who in many cases was a blacksmith on top of everything else. He would probably make a range of barrels and weapons based upon either some stock, some people actually made other barrels for the Smiths, and then they would put the final product together to include the wood, both the furniture and the rest of the hardware. What's interesting is that during the American Revolution you will find stuff going back almost 60 to 70 years before the 1775 benchmark to include the one that's always famous, everybody always thinks looks cool, is the Blunderbust, which in reality was just the following piece slash anti-personnel If you hear an echo, kind of like a pump shotgun or a double barrel, short double barrel, when you see it, you don't really want to visit it, so usually you don't need to worry about it being discharged. But pretty devastating, weren't they? Yeah, you didn't want to be standing in front of it because that would be equivalent to a big bore shotgun at close range. When I'm saying big bore, I'm going to say bigger than a 10 gauge. Because they were about, I have one, I never really miked the inside of the bore, but I think it's like about three quarters of an inch would be about 75 caliber. And you could pour just about anything down there from rocks to nails to glass. So you had no problem finding projectiles to put down through it. And the most important thing I remember is that when it was touched off, that was the whole point. It was designed, you know, you see this with the carriage guns. You see this used for repelling borders in homesteads, especially on the frontier. A lot of people had these as their backup guns or secondary weapons for close defense. Somebody comes through the door, that's where they find them nailed to the door. That was a whole idea. So, you know, there were a number of different arms. Of course, on the other hand, accuracy was still there, and there were a lot of different, as we pointed out, mountain rifles or Kentucky rifles during the same period that, say, the standard infantry weapons were issued. What was the range of weapons that were available in that category? Who were we seeing building and where were they being produced? Well, there were... were built all over the eastern coast. The Pennsylvania long rifle was predominantly made down around Lancaster, Pennsylvania. There was the Tennessee mountain rifle and who knows almost every state had somebody that made a rifle down there and in almost every caliber. As far as the range would go, That was dependent upon how good the shooter was. Some of the guys that lived out in the mountains could shoot them things out as far as 500 yards and hit what they were aiming at at 500 yards. We belong to a group here in Meadville that's a reenactment of a group that was formed after the revolution but before the War of 1812 called the Casa Raga Rifles. And in order to be a member of the Cosawalga Rifles at that time, you had to shoot the eye out of a squirrel at 50 yards from the tall tree. So, you know, you developed, they developed their marksmanship because you had to, because you only had, generally if you were in a fight, you only had time to get that one shot off, maybe two, depending upon how far away they were. Of course then, that's why they carried Tommy Hawks and knives and some of the more fluent, uh... would have maybe flintlock pistol and they had double barrel rifles back then double barrel flintlock rifles and they even had double barrel shotguns, flintlock shotguns, they got a reproduction of a 20 gauge hanging on the wall here using to uh... hunt turkey with so uh... during the revolution they were in the war of 1812 they would line ten or twelve barrels up or even twenty barrels up on a carriage and get the machine gun effect because they blow them all up and then they have a trail of powder going from one flash hole to the next right around and as it went off it went down the line fired off each barrel. There weren't very many of them but that would be your early version of the machine gun or whatever you want to call it. You know, they took one spark and you got 10 or 20 barrels depending on the size of it. Now, one of the other things here, the average gun was in the 70 between the 65 and the 70 caliber, at least for the period, correct? Yeah, for the military, yeah, because it was a smooth bore. The military experimented with the rifles, but they found that after two or three shots, the residue would build up so hard that, or so much that the, uh, uh-uh. balls where they were being seated down in there with jam up against the residue and then they wouldn't go all the way down or they'd break the ramrod and you know what happens when you don't get your uh... well it's seated all the way in regards whether it's a breach loading or a muzzle on the at that point doesn't get all the way in and you fire that thing off the barrels going to explode and fat I was going to say in fact something I noticed and I think you pointed this out you caught this too remember when they did the movie the Patriot? Yes. There's a couple of them remember the first night battle scene when it's in front of their home most people didn't notice some people did but they didn't know what they were looking at you'll see what looks like a whole line of flesh going off on the body of the barrel of one of the one or two of those rifles those weapons were failing weren't they? Yeah, and even though they were not firing live ammo for those shots, they were firing blanks, or what is called a blank, what was happening because of the residue building up in the barrel, when they poured the powder charge down in there, they didn't take the time to ram the paper wide down to help clean some of that out. So what was happening was the powder was then stringing out in the barrel. So when they pulled it off it would start to burn and the pressure would build up Behind that burn until it got to the certain point there and the barrel just burst and literally in a line across the length of the barrel That's what if you pay attention you'll see this somebody now we got everybody going man I gotta watch the movie again and a lot of people saw that they're like well, you know, they let it slide because they didn't know you know Well, I don't know what's doing but that looks different Well that happened two or three scenes. They caught that on there. The only good thing is remember they were training the guys to, you know, like the way the Brits typically did is like just volley fire. So the guys actually turned their face away when they were pulling the trigger, which in a way was, you know, exactly the reason for doing it originally. It's like, ah, it's a good gun, but I don't trust it. Boom. And in the one shot at night, you'll see what looks like a line of fire. along the top of the barrel back towards the charge end where the pan is. And it starts about right just ahead of the pan and it goes about a foot and a half to a foot, you know, depending on which shot it is, and longer. But what that is, is the weapon actually is failing. That gun was fragged right there, wasn't it? Yeah, it worked just like a frag grenade. In fact, I have an acquaintance who was out playing with his rifle, not one of the smooth boards, but a regular muzzle-loading rifle that had a heavy barrel on it. Because the rifles had the heavier octagon barrels so that they could put a little more powder in there and then handle the pressure of the bullet conforming to the rifle as it went out. And his blew off, his blew up because he was doing the same thing. He was firing blanks, but he wasn't ramming the paper cartridge down in there to clean out the bore a little bit. And it went off and it took his hand off right at the wrist. So it happens in real life because I have a friend who, an acquaintance who had that happen to him. So, but yeah, and that would be quite often. And the other thing that would quite often happen would be that, and they found this especially in the Civil War when they did the battlefield pickups afterwards, that a lot of the The rifles had seven, eight rounds rammed in it because for some reason or other it didn't go off on the first one and then they just put down the next one and fired it again and kept firing and firing or else they just stood there and kept putting chargers down in there not realizing they weren't firing. So they found a lot of them that had six, eight rounds jammed into them. That's why they developed a system, I don't know when it first came out, I can't remember, of using a series of smaller balls. As the battle would progress and the corrosion would build up, they would use a smaller and smaller ball so that it would help eliminate the breaking of the powder or the residue building up inside the barrel and stopping the ball from being able to be seated. So this was and again, this is really this is critical to remember because a lot of times you'll be experimenting or again Hey, let's say I had a whole bunch of weapons laying around if I'm not necessarily gonna use that as a shoulder arm Remember that these weapons could be lashed or duct taped into a position pointed towards the door Mr. Fishing line is your friend tell somebody okay when the time comes if you hear it sounds like there's something heading You know down the hallway in that direction pull this button. Oh now and again one of the other things is that shot was used for a little and most people think all that big a bore when i use like a shotgun as a matter of fact that was done uh... during night fire in the other members a lot easier if you like triple ball you know three bahut you know double-hot buck ball or four double-hot buck or six uh... and use it like a heavy shotgun to ensure probable hit specially for pickets and for centuries So shot shell, you know shot was used in the regular muscular muskets correct? Yep, that's where the old term buck and ball came from because it was a combination of the round ball seated on top of whatever number of pellets depending on the size that they were using. And I think they used as many as nine or ten maybe even twelve pellets and then seated a ball on the top of it. And again, the key to that is making sure everything is seated against the powder charge so that it blows out. Because that's exactly what you're doing. You're blowing it out the barrel. And as much as you want a good crack when it goes off, you want to hear crack. And that means you have the charge just about right for the stuff that's in there. If you get a kaboom, you're a little bit soft. Not enough powder in it. Well, very good. So again, for everybody out there listening, use common sense. And as the old saying goes, would you pretty well argue that reading the manual would be a good thing? Yep, reading the manual. And also, remember this too, that since the Civil War, there's a lot of development in projectiles. For muzzle loaders, they came out with the conical base or the mini ball, or maxi ball. which had grooves in it and had a hollow base so when it was seated against the powder and it went off it would swell those hollow base out to engage the rifling and send it out there like a modern rifle would do and it improved the accuracy. That's why there were so many casualties on the battlefield during the Civil War, was they were still using the antiquated shoulder-to-shoulder techniques or Napoleon tactics or European battle tactics when they had a more modern projectile that would improve the accuracy and the distance of their weapons. And so for most everybody out there, if we're looking at this, one of the other considerations is most of the components can actually be built from scratch. We can actually manufacture our own black powder. We can actually produce our own projectiles, again, casting lead or lead-type metals. And as far as flint goes, well, it's a matter of knowing what you're looking at and how it is you're going to round it up for later. That's again, Flint is naturally occurring. It is not a synthetic slash man-made product. So it is out there. It's just a matter of knowing where to look to find it and to access what you need. So something else to take into consideration. Go ahead. You can also, if you ran out of lead, you can also whittle yourself a wood bullet to put down in there as long as you didn't even sit there for a long period of time. Now let's point out that both wood and in fact as long as you're bringing it up, one of the other nasty things is that they actually made cast iron projectiles. Something else that again was purely a matter of innovation, especially with a smooth board, it was a muzzleloader to begin with, and it was a musket. Whatever you could jam down the barrel provided they didn't create some exciting experience for the shooter was typically used and a lot of experimentation took place European where and we're just talking in the other colony side we're talking over in Europe In fact, they even went with in Spain and Italy, they were using an octagon rod that was actually about the length of two-thirds of your thumb and was edged. It was simply flat surfaces, but man, if that hit somebody, that just had to be, you know, that was a ruination. Just imagine where that would go and how that would tumble and what it would do. Just for a footnote, When I was going to gunsmithing school here many, many moons ago, back in the late 70s and early 80s, we had a, once a week we had a series of films that we watched. And one of them was a documentary that came out of South Africa. And it showed there that the natives weren't allowed modern weapons. They were allowed flintlocks, but they weren't allowed black powder. were led to shoot at them. So what the natives did was they pulled up the railroad tracks, pulled the railroad spike out, ground the head off of it, that little edge that catches onto the rail, they ground that off until it was smooth, and then they took broke into the warehouses at night and stole the dynamite and used ground up dynamite as a propellant. And a lot of people laugh at this, but this is honest to God's truth. It worked. It worked. And what was nice about it was that Iron Railroad Spike was he stepped back at 50 yards and he put a dead center of a square piece of paper and went over and retrieved it and loaded it back up and did it all over again. And yeah, so because you didn't damage it, you know, shot it into a tree, went into the penetrating tree, about an inch and a half goes over and wiggles it loose and loads it up again. Well, so there's all kinds of things that you can do to make a projectile that doesn't necessarily have to be made out of copper and lead. So remember that. especially with a muzzleloader. It gives you so much more freedom. If you have a muzzleloading cannon, for example, you can load up what they call the canister shot. During the Civil War, the canisters were loaded with 100 one-inch iron balls. 100 of them in a canister. And when the enemy were getting close, they'd fire off the canister, and it would demistate, then decimate the whole line as it was. Soldiers that was coming up through there and sometimes they even doubled the canister put two of them down in there and fired them up. We just turned it into a gigantic, like I said, all kinds of things that you can do to improvise for you. Whoa, we got some distortion coming up on your end. Oh, you do? There we go. Sounds like we're cleaning up a little bit there. It's working up. There might have been an intention on this. The original form of improvised munitions. not what they do over in Iraq or Iran but probably just as deadly. Well, one of the things here too, again we mentioned pistols and of course we have a number of overlapping arms but even the, you know, having a single shot close range weapon that could be easily turned in against an aggressor was always handy so in the Black Powder range, especially for that era, what were the more common weapons in terms of hand cannons? Well, the most common would have been the smooth bore. They would arrange upwards of 75 caliber down to 45 caliber rifle barrels, smooth barrels. Usually the bigger the bore, it was a smooth barrel like a 75 caliber or 69 caliber or even some of those They even make some blunderbuss pistols as far as that goes with the big boars on it. So, the idea was to put a big chunk out there or if it was like pirates, or not pirates, but you're on a sailing ship and the enemy boarded your ship, you would fire into their ranks with the pistol if you like shooting with the big boar loaded with multiple projectiles. If you like shooting a shotgun, you need to into the troops that are coming across from the other ship. So then once you used up your rifle and your pistol, depending on how many you had, then went to the Tomahawk and knife. And contrary to belief, you don't want to throw your Tomahawk, and you don't want to throw your knife. That just gives the enemy a weapon, doesn't it? Yeah, and that deprives you of a weapon. So let's try and, since they're going to probably be within hands reach real quick, and remember, tit for tat, the idea is to get a better blow in first so that when the time comes they don't get a chance to cut back. And if they didn't show up with it or they lost theirs, you don't want to throw something at them they can turn around and use on you. That's why a good, well regulated militia man today should have a Tomahawk and a machete. Yes. In fact, something that I've noticed, there are a couple of really nice machetes available through Atlantic Cutlery right now. And you might even have a couple at the show there, I would assume, if you have your way. Yeah, I have a couple 24 inches made by Cold Steel, and I think I have a 20-incher made by Cold Steel, or maybe it's an 18. I know I have their long version, and then I have one of their short version. And they're made by Cold Steel, which is supposedly one of the better As a matter of fact, those are also working blades. In other words, they're designed to be the prettiest, they're designed to function. And they are black and stainless steel, so as one of the selling points, I always point out with black and stainless steel. Stating steel doesn't rust as fast as regular steel does so if you get to the point where you have to hack your way through a wall of human flesh you don't necessarily have to run to the stream and wash the blood off. You can savor the moment that you survived if you want. Okay, any more? Good for the moment. Okay, I can relax now, can I? Yeah, go ahead. Don't worry. There's another line of them coming. It'll be a moment, but then they'll be here, but you got a few moments. You got a few minutes, maybe two or three. I still use the calling out. I don't care who the hell you are. It makes you think for a minute, it's like, wait a minute, why is he calling fixed bayonets? Oh man. They're going to charge. Amy, we better find our bayonets. Well, we didn't. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I am a firm believer in the bayonet. That's one of the things again. I'm a firm believer in the bayonet, but I'm also a firm believer. I have an extra. And as you say, when you're setting up your Shit and get pack or wherever you want to call it I'm a firm believer that some things redundancy is the is the best way to go and If you got one edge weapon then two is better. Yes, exactly And especially if you think three would be better yet, especially if it has a multi-purpose like a tomahawk Well, what's bought by purpose of a pomahawk? Well, let's see you could split skulls take scalps You can also make tent pegs to make a shelter. Or you can cut wood to build yourself a fire to help keep you warm in the cold. That's what's nice about a tomahawk. There are even a hatchet. A hatchet can be used as like a tomahawk too. Especially those ones that they make that have the hammer hit on one side and the Drywall hammer. Yeah, that's the word. In fact, the east wing is still to me is one of the best war mallets you could run into because it is a beautiful forged steel American made. Yeah, they run about $54, but you know what? It's a well spent $54. I carry one of them in my Jeep. Well, I noticed something. I've been to many yard sales. I was thinking about this the other day. I have bought many tools or got many tools out of the freebie box. I'll grab every tool that's in a freebie box. Anytime at the end of the yard sale they're tossing stuff out, I'll grab everything in the tool or tool by tables or whatever when they're getting rid of stuff. But I have never seen anybody that has gotten rid of an east wing hammer at a yard sale or anything like that. You don't see them. They just aren't there. and especially the drywall hammers which are not as common but still are used it's just that nobody ever gets rid of them in that way nobody ever dispose of them they're always usefully on the shelf and they're one of the for a little while you can get some cheap Chai-Com ones for about three four dollars apiece and they had a hickory handle and they were a good forged steel blade those things haven't been coming in for a while they're probably now selling them for $29.95 and a regular hardware Well, that's probably because the powers of B figured out. Wait a minute. That's a weapon. We can't have that. We're trying to do away with weapons in this country. We can't allow those to come in here. That'd be a weapon. The next thing you know, they'd be going after the claw hammer. Well, bang, bang. Actually, most of the guys that I'm... Two of the guys I know from World War II, they... Everybody always asked him. One of them was a trainer in the 70s. He was still in service. And they said, what was your, you know, because you were waiting for him to tell them all about, you know, using the knife and using this and that for taking out sentries, you know, for pickets, you know, trying to get, you know, intelligence. When they would go through the lines, he would send out a patrol. And he said, I carried a one pound or two pound sledgehammer. Ball peen hammer. Ball peen hammer. Yeah, he goes smack one time on the head. They didn't do anything. They didn't say anything. It was just one thud and they were down. And he goes, and have a sharp blade. But if I had gotten a drywall hammer, he goes, nowadays, looking at some of these nice ones, and he goes, oh yeah, that would have been it. Because what you couldn't hammer through with one, you'd clean with the other. Now, if everybody said, Mark, you're saying a hammer in the battlefield? Okay, everybody remember the movie Brave Heart? Yeah, everybody remember the movie Brave Heart? Yeah. You remember when he rides into town after they've killed his wife? Remember that one poor bugger that's going after the main character and the other one he throws him a mallet and that hammer you see it go funk? That's a war hammer. That's what I'm talking about. That's hammers. Everybody likes shooting the watermelon with a, you know, 12 gauge or a, you know, 50 cal. Do that with a sledgehammer. Yeah. You get the same effect. And if you don't understand what we're getting at out there, you want to find out for yourself. Just take your thumb and put it out there and smack it once with a hammer and you'll get a hurt stone it. Right, in fact, the other thing is people are always worried about body armor. Even if you don't get through the body armor, remember most of it is soft scale. You're talking blunt force trauma. You're talking stomp, stomp, and stomp. That's basically what's going to happen. And what it does is just like you saw in Braveheart was probably a good example. First time he smacks him, I think it was in the shoulder and it's like, ooh! And the second time he takes one more swing and you see that the head kind of goes flat. You can... And if the opportunity arises, you can place it in the raw place shot that a crotch would take them out with one shot. I heard a peep. We might have a caller. Who do we have? It's just Winterborne in between holes in the network. That's strange. Please, do continue. I'm enjoying the flying Froot Loops out of this conversation. Interestingly enough, you know, the thing is that, you know, as we've always said, everything is a weapon, but these are actually... It's kind of like, you know, anybody ever seen what a butcher's knife set looks like? Everybody has, right? You know, you see them, they're like $29.95, and if you're lucky, you get to use ones for $6.95, a set that had been re-sharpened and re-sharpened and half the blade's gone. But they're cool knives. Every one of those blades... Did not in fact there is not a single one of those blades. It's in a butcher's kit That didn't start out as a combat knife, and they weren't butchering pigs Well they call them pigs or other things or other dirty words But for instance the classic mayhem butcher knife right right right right You know like in the psycho and all these other movies, and you always see it come out You what most important is to understand that was originally a Damascus fighting knife That's why it's called a Damascus butcher knife You have to go ahead and you have to remember before powder was invented What was the main thing weapon before the bow and arrow? It was swords and blunt instrument hacking and chopping rules Exactly. Yeah, so again as far as close in weapons the one thing that if you were asking if you'll go What would you carry that? Well, what do I carry right now an e tool? A machete, typically an 18 inch Ontario, although there's, like I said, there's several of the nice blades out there and Cold Steel's making some stuff. So you can pick and choose, but, you know, try to get a flexible blade. and look for quality if at all possible but initially like I've said here's the other thing in step one get something in other words you can find machetes that are just courses a day as long they'll work just fine they're a couple dollars stick that in the gear for the time being that's step one to get everything you need to get your basic kit together uh... in addition to that that east wing or that drywall hammer it serves as a hatchet and it serves as a hammer So you get two tools for the price of one in your combat kit. Plus it qualifies as a mayhem tool for close range fighting, for close in fighting. The other thing about those drywall hammers is the pitch of the blade was designed to get through aggressive material. So consider that if it goes up against somebody with armor or whatever, no it's not necessarily going to chew all the way through, but it's going to do a lot of damage. And on that sub note I will point out something. I just went through, for whatever reason, there's two things I've noticed in the industry, Darrell, with regard to stuff that's being flagged when you go to web pages now. Number one is gas masks. It says not for sale or export overseas. In other words, they aren't going to sell them to you if you tell them, you know, I'm going to send these all over to Greece. They won't sell them to you. Okay? But the other thing that has come back into the warnings is with selling of body armor. And it states that they will not guarantee that armor against all sharp objects. Now I'm wondering about that and I got this funny feeling somebody had another lawsuit because years ago the untold secret of body armor is Mr. Ice Pick. In fact, Mr. ... they will not guarantee against a pike type blade, a pin blade, and ice picks are notorious for that. The other one is, again, crossbow bolts, especially if you're going with the traditional armor penetrating type that were built to the medieval design that are long, they're tapered, and they have a serration blade, or they have a razor edge, they will go through where other things will not. And I don't remember when they first come out with the body armor it wouldn't stop at 22. It would stop at 9mm or 38mm or 357mm but it wouldn't stop at 22. Yep, in fact they even do it 44mm but if it was going into the other direction because of the weave, the size of the weave, what it's designed to do with the type of polymer that's used, and now we call it Kevlar, but there were many other variations on that strand. that were used and have been used by companies because it is body armor plastic. What's fascinating about this is that like I said when I see this I've been looking at all, I mean come on guys, how many millions of times have we looked at how many thousands of pages on the computer and they have these catalogs listed. Now I'm noticing I went to the body armor for three or four different companies and they specifically put in a disclaimer on the page now underneath each vest. So, bing, there's a flag for me. Something happened where somebody said, I bought this vest and you told me it saved me from being stabbed and shot. And I got stabbed! That hurt! Holy cow, Mark! Mark said, I sometimes penetrated my bulletproof vest. Yeah, but it wasn't... We're going to have to sue them if I survive this. And in fact, something similar happened this last year, about a year ago, now it's now two going on three years. Remember that second chance, well it's actually farther back than that now. Second chance, which is right here in Michigan, and they used to provide us with all of their seconds. Not just second chance, but seconds isn't stuff that they've used or stuff they've had turned back in. and mostly because of size but also it could be because of something where they weren't satisfied and they had the guarantee, you know, if you didn't like it, send it back. Well, they couldn't reissue the stuff. So we would get that, we would get a chance to test and experiment but also we all of our people have body armor. They went to another polymer, which again people were told how to care for the vest and they didn't listen. And it turns out that with heat slash body salts, etc., the new plastic broke down and actually allowed for penetration. Now, I think they should have known better than that in the first place. I know that they were looking for innovations to try and get ahead of everybody, but the majority of the stuff that was out there, Second Chance had the copyrights too anyway. So for whatever reason apparently they were coming up on the end of their dominance and decided that maybe they needed to you know, reintroduce themselves and then sell themselves and because of the number of injuries, that's exactly what happened. They were sued and they ended up having to kind of go under and come up as another name. So they're still there, but you know, it's kind of like Springfield Armory would happen with them. So something to think about there. I mean the body armor everybody say everybody thinks armor that's like armored helicopter armored whatever guys It's armored to a degree. It is not a flying tank. Don't make that mistake Okay, yeah, or simple as far yeah chances are the armor that are the projectile that they're defending against and is the new smaller sub-calibers or environment calibers if you will, that's what I like to call them, and their armor piercing and the older heavier stuff from like the World War II or the Russian 7.62x54 in armor piercing, it has a tendency to heat that stuff up. Hello! I just had somebody walk in, just a second. Oh, go ahead. Anyway, one reason we bring this up, there are a lot of different weapons- So, we got Craig who just walked in too. He's got some stuff he wants to ask you a question about. Also, Craig's gonna be going down to Knob Creek. We might get him in the booth to make mention of that. Yep, as a matter of fact, we can do that before. We got Daryl's in the other room. He's taking care of something else for a minute. Craig can walk in here, and we'll turn the other microphone on. And even though we... There we go, I just broke his neck. I hurt Craig. Oh no. Well, as a matter of fact, I saw one of the things looks like a civil defense, a disposable slash toss away civil defense mask. That's rather interesting in that, you know, Craig's been discovering some interesting items. Yeah, this is, I was just going to sketch out. It looks, it really looks like a space age mask. I don't know if you've seen these before, but that literally, it looks like, we call them the Wasp mask. You don't see hardly any of them around anymore, but basically from the front, that's what it looked like. This is the eyepiece. It actually looks like a troop for a child, it's so small. Well, they're... It's not combatant, it's over on the front here. Yeah, this is interesting because, well, the idea behind it is that the troop mask could have the voicemitter and everything else, but for everybody listening, you know, even in a situation right now where a lot of these people are down there in New York, This would be enough to protect them against most everything they're going to run into in CSCN, anti-personnel stuff because the, you know, capsim oil, that kind of thing. And interesting. Now that looks like a Russian ore. Hey, there we go. That could be a NATO mask because it looks like the filter is correct. I was going to say that's NATO spec there. Arctic, probably Northern European or at least Arctic and that is white, but it could be naval too. A bunch of interesting gas masks. There are so many variations that we only saw. It's a Drager. Hey, it's Drager manufactured. Do you notice that? Look on the inside right there. Which would mean what company? German. Yeah, this is a German produced, white bodied gas mask. Does not have a voice mitter. However, some very interesting innovations. Plastic intakes. Forgive me, plastic exhaust intake obviously is brass. White body gas mask prominent. It has a light proboscis type rib nose almost looks like a dolphin nose actually like a It's an interesting design metric size 2 it looks like and All rubber fixture for the base could be also This could be German nuclear regulatory Commission Post-World War two the dragger. Oh, yeah, this is post-World War two This is all the better features all the way around. This is a this is a much more modern mask than the average bear here and you can tell again, but normally the draggers are green. This one's white which is either that it was a a like for civil defense or for Nuclear Regulatory Commission or safety or it was a winter mask and they may have decided that they didn't really worry about a Voicemitter, which is a lot more money to add to the mask. So this is interesting designs. Did you pick up a quantity of things? No, that's the only one I have that's a sample. That's a good example to actually use for display. That's a Be quite honest, I've never seen him with that. This is interesting. It has a dominant nose ridge. So obviously they figured whoever was wearing these was going to have a big schnoz. What the heck? But it's German produced and actually very... That's a unique one right there. Go ahead. This is hard over the air, but you know, it's like, look at this, guys. No, you scream right now? No, we're not in here. I can see it real well. Can you see this? I'm holding it up to the microphone. M10Ms. In this case, probably an East German one by this bag. Let's hold check. Well, the checks are all the same, but that could be because of the bag. This is an East German bag. Okay, so this may be an M10 straight-slash East German instead of Czech. I don't want to take it apart. It's in the bag, brand new and with a straw. So either way, it's an M10 or M10M family. Well, it's got to be an M10M because it's got the straw complete. The filters are in there too. They can be used but you still have to have the filter caps to make them work. Right, if you look at the difference, these are snap-on, these are screw-on. Now what you do is as long as you have the filter caps, and this is something for all of our listeners, if you have the filter caps or the M17, and that's the winterization kit right there I was talking about before on the air, there's a cover. This is for cold weather use. This goes over so that when condensate builds up, it doesn't frost up on the mask. It is dissipated through the filter system. Yes, exactly. And these actually are available up north. There's a guy up north that has millions of these that were actually originally with a guard. He bought them in surplus. We need to actually take some pictures of these again. For everybody listening, if you have the M17 or the Czech M10M, the cold weather filter shields are a must if you think you're going to be, well if you are, in winter weather. Winter conditions. That looks like it might be a bib or it's right on there. No, it says right on there. Then it's an eyepiece. They say it looks like it's around the eyepiece cover. It may be another variation. Yeah. It detects here. A hundred percent pure wool mask, cheek protector, Arctic. Yeah. So it, again, what it probably is is a deflector. It looks like it goes right up under the eyepiece. I don't know which mask that goes to. Yeah, it was in the box with a bunch of other people. Yeah, that might go right there. That's what I see. Looks like it's designed again to prevent frost and build up and it's elasticized. Where there's all kinds of stuff. The problem with the gas mask is that there's so much stuff that was built the troops never got that most everybody... there we go, put that in with that... most everybody didn't see it and we really need the view stream up for this reason. There's some really neat stuff. Oh! That'll be interesting to you. They probably never seen one of those before. Maybe have. Vacation kit. Goggles. And... Ah, yeah! Well again, yeah, these are the these are nuclear radiological I don't really want to watch the atomic bomb don't I don't want to be that closer. Yeah, I know but But again, let's make sure we don't crush these two. There's a lot of stuff now You're gonna have a lot of this down there at Kanob Creek aren't you? Yes There we go Yeah, I may not have all these gas masks. I don't have enough room in my car to bring all this oddball stuff, but I certainly will be selling the radiological survey meters and dosimeters and chargers and Geiger counters and so on. So if we could just get Daryl down there, we'd be in great shape, wouldn't we Daryl? Yeah, but unfortunately that's a gun show. You have to be at work in the other direction. Yeah, direct combinations. And in fact, are these complete? There's decon kits. Oh yes, yep, all the pat down. Yep, yep, yep. You want to mess with that. These but Craig how many tables do you got it not Korea? I have one and we got one. Okay. Yeah, we have one I was lucky to get one at all because there's an eight-year waiting list. Yeah, there's a cancellation which is cool Yeah, I actually went down there and talked with the people It's bad for Knob Creek, but it's cool for us because it gives one of our people a spot at the show which is cool Yeah, first time for me from written up Creek. It's one of those shows You really can't get in as a vendor unless you know people And for everybody listening, again, that's the 14th, 15th, and 16th, same weekend. Darrell, you're going to be up there at your show. For everybody... Yeah, fucking bro. If you heard Craig on the air, but you didn't have Ustream, now you'll be able to go down to Knob Creek, walk through the show, watch for... Forbidden knowledge. And you'll find them right there. I was told it's Russia. Well, you're speaking... Well, you're speaking about gas masks and that... Probably is. If people out there bought some of the finished gas masks... Hopefully you were smart enough to get a few of the NATO adapters so that you can adapt the NATO filter to those. They're not all that expensive. They only run about a buck and a half a piece. So if you didn't, you want to check into trying to find some. I know Maine military had them for a while. I don't know if they put them on a discontinued item or close out special or whatever. trying to track down a NATO adapter for your finished gas mask, so that way you can use your NATO filters. The main military still has some, I don't know how many they have left guys, but they do have some. And we're also finding that a few of the companies west of the Mississippi have them, but you're going to have to, like you said, search around and ask. Most people don't think to ask about those. And for that reason again, that adapter means that you'll be able to use a full range of filters no matter what you run into. That's especially critical. I don't see anything else, Darryl, and then if you go ahead and give your data one more time, please. Okay, October the 22nd here at the Diamond Park in Medeville on anti-flight burning ceremony. And next weekend, the 15th and 16th will be at Rocky Grove at the gun show at the fire park. Very good. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We're on the march, and don't forget to hug your rifle. Oh, it burns, Daryl! My face, it burns! Ah, but it still feels good. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. We all need to prepare ourselves. 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