October 5, 2011
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Mark Koernke and co-host Donald Betcher discussed ammunition and reloading supplies available through Grafs.com, including discontinued items, frangible rounds, and various calibers at closeout prices. The show featured extensive tactical discussion on sniper positioning, counter-sniper operations, and battlefield tactics including fire-and-maneuver techniques, kill zones, and concealment methods. Historical accounts of sniping were recounted, including a World War I story from Weird Tales magazine about a Canadian counter-sniper operation. The hosts emphasized the importance of escape routes, terrain knowledge, and avoiding detection through proper positioning and muzzle blast management.
- ammunition
- reloading
- grafs.com
- sniper tactics
- 50 caliber
- 300 win mag
- frangible rounds
- counter-sniper
- battlefield tactics
- concealment
- muzzle blast
- fire and maneuver
- kill zone
- world war i
- preparedness
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LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are on the live 365 then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM and FM micro stations, CB Bay stations, and Ultra Net Technologies both east and west of the Mississippi, along with Southern and Central Alaska. Hallmark Network, Eastern Seaboard, Top of Main, the bottom of Florida, bottom of Florida because you're out in the Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma. Big chunk of Nebraska, whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the pit and the third. And sweeping our way across the plains, working over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, we then land in the smoky slash the Blue Ridge, where the restaurant crews, the grandma teams, the OK teams, and the Maville Grammar Consortium are doing their part to get the job done to ensure that we have a replacement for the internet when the time comes. Well, beautiful day out there. Got a lot of work done outside. Don. What is it like over your neck of the woods and what is the date today, sir? Well, Mark, it appears to be beautiful across the whole mitt, you know, Michigan, not mitt, across the whole mitt. It appears to be a great day, this day of October, 2000 and 11. And it'll probably stay nice and toasty until, it was one of the warmest days, I can remember it, for the fifth day of October. It's a beautiful day. This time of year, you're usually seeing a lot of leaves on the streets by now, making driving difficult and hazardous. It is the fifth day of October, so I'm gonna do this right here. I'm gonna bring this real close to the microphone and I'm gonna drop this in here hoping you can hear it. One in the chamber, that wasn't very well. Let's do that again. I need that real crisp. One in the chamber, the slide to battery, and the magazine is in the well. It is weapons. Wednesday is secure and there's plenty more where that came from. That means we can offer equal opportunity, coercive force when the time comes, and it is Weapons Wednesday for all of you out there listening. A couple places to go. Don, I just want to touch on something here because we've been talking about reload. And interestingly enough, I've seen some things here I was surprised to run into, but you never know. First of all, you know, we got graphs, you know, graph and sons, which, you know, graph supply. G-R-A-F-S dot com is a link I put in the chat room for everybody out there listening. Now, you know, I always love to go to closeouts. You know why? Because you never know what you're going to find in close outs. Now, GRAFTS does a lot of reloading supplies. They also do a lot of other things in the way of weapons parts. And there's things they've experimented with, and they may have one of, or 10 of, or 50 of, or 1,000 of. But there aren't going to be any more. One of the things down they have are discontinued bullet lines and or here's the other thing I've mentioned many times, but you get a chance to take a look some cool pictures so that you can see an un-busted wad, an uncompressed wad, and you'll get an idea of what we've been talking about so many times on the air. Go to close outs and then when you get to the close outs, just start scrolling down through the many images and on the, I think it's the second page, At the very top, there's a whole bunch of lines of un-issue, you know, serviceable wads. There's, you know, Gualandi, 16 gauge, 12 gauge. 1.5 ounce, 1.25 ounce, etc. These are the basic wad cups. This is one particular breed where you can get a nice view, well depicted here, of what the modern or more sophisticated wad cup looks like and what it was designed to do. The big thing is that remember everybody worries about cutting down a barrel down. We gotta cut down a barrel. You just don't look cool if you don't cut down a barrel. And besides, you gotta be able to spread the shot. To do that, you gotta cut the barrel down. No, you don't. As a matter of fact, without going... All you do is go from these very sophisticated shot configuration wads, which are designed to keep the shot load together and take it to a greater range. and go to a flat wad. You want that round to spread, you want that shot shell to spread right from the moment she leaves the end of the tube. Just put a base, what we call a coin wad in the bottom. That's all you got to do. Just a cardboard wad or plastic wad. There's a number of different ways you can do this. They make seal cutouts. You know, you got these, actually what it is is a stamp. Well, pick out 12 gauge, 16 gauge, 20 gauge, whatever you're doing. Stamp one of those out, but don't put the hole in the center. Now what you got is you can make it solid plastic you can make it a heavy gauge cardstock you know heavy heavy cardstock that goes in in place of the wad and Amazingly enough a good tight fit when you throw your charge in there well the only thing that's gonna push it down the range and down range is that little couple one or two layers of cardboard and When it leaves the end of the tube There's no plastic cup to hold it together that then is separated by wind resistance because it opens up like a butterfly, kind of like the butterfly grenades and the bombs you see in the movies where they show you in the slow motion. Same idea, only that's what that wad cup does. So, there's a couple of good things there. Another thing that I noticed here, Don, and I don't... First time I've seen these, so I don't know what condition. They look like they're poles. HRN 6.5 millimeter 160 grain round nose Well, no, they actually say soft point bullet blemished 100 count for $18. These are 6.5 millimeter 160 grain. I'm looking at the picture. That was the problem looks like they're FMJ, but they're not they're supposed to be soft point They're obviously commercial But for $17.99, read that $18 per hundred, that's a pretty good buy for those of you who are putting together a tack driver set. What do you do with the bullets? Well, you can either chemically clean them or you could tumble them. And polish them that way, clean them back up. The company's not going to do that. They don't want anybody to talk about how the bullet does this or the bullet does that. You get to work with it. But for an inexpensive 6.5 millimeter bullet, 100 pieces for $18. That's not bad. It's in the closeout section. It's on page two. And as a matter of fact, it's page two of the closeouts. And I would point out that All well right at the middle of the page below the wads I was telling you about one two three about the fourth line down is where it's located now another thing they do have a number of dies 6 millimeter other HRN products 8 mil. I will see 6 millimeter the 223 necked up 7 millimeter 223 7 millimeter Merrill 7 millimeter by 47 So for those of you who are looking at wildcat cartridges you want to experiment with, maybe you've got an AR and you're going to build an upper and do something unique, there are the dies, depending on what it is you've chosen and that you can work into. And these die sets, $40 a set right now, that's not bad for the, in a markdown, it's almost 50%. You're looking at high quality and you're looking at excellent performance. So, just, oh, then 22 PPC is also in there. But there's a lot of other stuff, too numerous to mention. A bunch of the unique calibers and reloading, especially in the discontinued, because these are, you know, wild, they're almost wildcat. They're new, they're unique, and definitely if you've got the rifle, Hey, they're worth it. A lot of black powder reloading technology, which is another thing to take a look at. An experiment here of CVA bullets, 45 caliber, 225 grain, AT copper, power belt. Now, most people go, well that's for muzzleloader probably. So true. But it can also be used for other projects. It's in .45 caliber. There are some interesting things that can be done with this with quiet loads. Think about, don't think going up in velocity guys. Think about going down in velocity and also energy in the chamber. Don, this has a solid base like what is basically, what is a piston cup. so that it actually blows out and makes an absolutely perfect seal with the side of the weapon, you know, the side of the barrel with the landing screws. That's what I was going to suggest with building your own shotgun load. Turn that cup around. That way it's going to press into the powder. But you can adjust your powder charge ever so slightly. But when it pressures in on that cup that's turned around that's supposed to guide your pellets out, It's going to be like the O-ring seal you guys all the way down the tube It's going to get every little bit of burn energy out But when you do the same thing at the back of a boat is the same basic physics isn't it doesn't let any gases go by Well interestingly enough too is there's a lot of boys you can experiment with these things with Anything at a 45 caliber remember we've mentioned 45 You know 70 or we're looking at 45 ACP 45 long colt gee. I just went from rifle to pistol Yep, that's right and that 225 grain is a good balanced bullet by the way. That's a good medium weight Light light to a degree for the 4570 since you can easily handle a 500 grain bullet but with the 40 with a 45 caliber Projectile of this type used in this way you can do some really mean work with this remember what I said about poo No sound Don't have to silence it you just balance out the load The more efficient that base you know base lock is to the to the rifling and the more uniform the pressure The more you can squeak out of every gram that you're using in the way of powder Yes, or forgive me. I'm talking. I'll be right back over to head Another thing they've got here DRT ammo 300 wouldn't mag 200 grain frangible ball Which is kind of cool, but it's in the you know it's got the two girls on it. It's got to be better It's got the spy girls on the front. Oh, it's got cool graphics. Well in reality It's 300 win mag and I know you guys are spending a big chunk of change on 300 win mag if you're looking for a pretty reasonable price 37 99 read that $38 a box that's DRT ammo 300 win mag 200 grain BT HP frangible to let's see 20 rounds per box 16 boxes per case I don't know if you're gonna grab a case of this or not but definitely for those you have a 300 wind mag because I've got people asking me if you're running a brass if you're running a brass because everybody's got a 300 wind is grabbing everything they can so Original price on this stuff was 57 99 read that $58 present price is $38 so that's $20 difference save about 34% is what they're saying Closeout no further discounts or back orders are available once this stuff is gone. It's gone So you're gonna want to check with that item number for that 300 wind mag is DT 2-3-1-0-2, again that's DT 2-3-1-0-2 DRT ammo, 300 win mag, 200 grain BTHP franchable, and that's 20 rounds per box, 16 boxes per case. Again, down another solution for everybody out there, it's got the big heavies. You're heading towards the 50 with the 300 win. So, and if you're already handling a 300 win, you're not gonna have any problem at all. with a 50 caliber, to be quite honest. If you're already dealing with a 300 wind mag weapon, you pretty well got it in the notch. They also are basically using, it looks well, the lighter bullet, but it's a DRT ammo, 30 out 6 Springfield, 175 grain, BTHP frangible, and that's $38 a box. Again, same basic bullet. A little more sophisticated in some ways and with the OTSIX now of course you're looking at $2 around almost, don't make a mistake there, we understand the cost. But it's a specialized load. Just as a quick graphs, it's also got some other bullets. The Burger 300, 308 caliber slash 155 grain HP BT. 100 grounds. This is competition bullets by the way. 100 projectiles for $46. Yes, I know. You heard me right. They also have 7mm, 182 grain, HP, hollow point boat tail, bullet XLRBT, $142. That's right at the top of the page. You'll see that first thing, actually the top of the close outs. Now, one of the things to consider there is if you're going with a closeout bullet, remember, there won't be any more. If they are selling them out and closing them out, they probably aren't re-carrying that particular bullet. So you're going to have to look at something comparable if you're going to start loading up more. But as a niche bullet, you come up with a load for it, you buy however many you're going to pick up, and make that attack driving around for custom work. You don't just blow this ammo out. This is for building projectiles that reach 800, 1000, 1200 yards. Okay, between 800 and 1200 yards with an 0.6, a 300 WinMag, etc. etc. And some of the other Wildcat .30 calibers are neck down from bigger cases like the .375 Holland and Holland case. They're out there, they're custom, and let's not forget the Weatherbees too. So the guys that are into those guns, they spend a lot more than you probably did on everything in your gun case when they're using them. Otherwise they have you know bread and butter guns to where they use the basics and you know then when they get out there for the fun days Or you know special slash serious work. That's where these weapons come in so as it is Another thing I will warn everybody out Don you know this I pointed this out to somebody I said yeah well there's five dollars a box for an F-42 ammo and it's you know that's Competition ammo and they mean for a brick that no for a 50 round box and they're kind of like, well, it's like, well, you know, these are the rounds that are for Sirius 22 shooters that are competing and the range of shooter performance is such that it's measured by the X-rings, guys. It's measured by the X's in the center ring. the top end of the competition, Presidents 100, etc. Now they've got some Armscore high velocity stuff there too for $2 a box for $22. And you might want to take a look at it if you're familiar with the evaluations on that. This stuff when it came out, the Armscore Precision Series. This stuff got rave reviews when it first came out. It's just that, you know, like everything else Dom, things become in vogue and then a step out of vogue. Armscore has been very good about precision with regard to consistency in the loading. They have had two or three subcontractors. I don't know who did which at the time, but in this case, for $2 a box as opposed to, you know, it dropped down by about 20%. Not bad. For those who are looking for a load that might fit a certain niche or that you want to standardize on, you know, standardize on, forgive me, then that's another direction to go. Again, take a look at the sales, see what's there. Fiache's got some 22 caliber, 40 grain CPSP for $3 a box. That's again, that's, this is all discontinued stuff. It's going out the door, not coming back by the looks of it. Several of the 22 loads, some high, some low. Hey, FC ammo, like I was saying a minute ago, pistol match, 40 grain, round nose, 980 feet per second, $8.79 a box for 50 rounds of 22. It's got to be good for that price. Actually, it is. Consistency, you know, the consistency here, it's not gallery ammo. Okay, just understand that. It's not a gallery gun. That's not a gallery gun load. It's a competition load. Very, very, very big difference there. And also with regard to the promised reliability of the primer, there will be no alibis. In other words, there will never be a malfunction. If there is, you go hunt them down and beat the snot out of them. Oop, did I say that? Yes, I did. Anyway, another thing in your favorite field here, not that there aren't a lot of things that we are really happy with, but Fed ammo, 50 BMG. 660 grain full metal jacket, boat tail, American Eagle, 10 rounds per box, 10 cases, 10 boxes per case, $32 per box of 10. So, a little over $3 a box is not bad for 50 caliber. Not these days. No, and looks to be boxer prime, non-corrosive, heat anneal case, looks to be all-mill spec, but a US spec anyway. I don't see anything jumping out at me that looks to be exotic or unusual about it. So again, there's another 50 caliber source, special price, no further discounts and probably no back orders. So just something to think about there. And again, just for everybody who goes, where are we right now? www.grafs.com www.crafts.com. Just want to make sure you know where we were. You can go through there and like I said, I always go through the close outs, always go through the discontinued items, always go through the sales items, wasn't the sales items by the way. So that's something again to check out, see what they have on hand, if they have any new items where they're giving some quantity prices, you always want to spot check there, maybe they got a sale going, because it's the new thing in town, check this out. And they want to see if they can get you to buy more so they can make more, which is cool. That's a good thing. Like the iPad 4.0. Buy it now so we can make it later. That's the run out of the People's Money Project there is what they were doing. AR upper conversions. I haven't looked at this in the tactical end, but they do have a wide range down of AR-15 conversions. Anybody want to take a look at that? Be kind of cool. Our Archangel Ruger Charger 22 long rifle pistol package. Kind of interesting. Pro by ProMag. Just a matter of what you need and I've been to graphs in a while I just figured I'd tune that in and I saw that ammunition issue and I was like the ideas and especially for the frangible ball That can be pretty wicked That's actually pretty devastating when it gets the other end of the business opportunity So something to think about there down what you got for us by the way, go ahead, please Well, let's continue that thought line for a moment because that frangible around you guys It's not gonna be real accurate at a thousand yards But if you let the delivery vehicle get close enough and strike the windshield post with it, you know, close enough that you're certain that you're going to hit the windshield post because, well, the yardage is shorter. You strike that windshield post with it. Most everybody in the cab of that vehicle is probably going to be saying, out, owie, hurt, hurt, in whatever language they speak. I wouldn't try that beyond about 400 yards in out of a 50. I wouldn't try that shot beyond about 450. and they wouldn't be moving really fast. Okay? Just a thought line there. Even into the windshield of in a situation like that, that round is going to come apart and you're going to make a whole lot of people in the cab of that vehicle kind of unhappy, if not, you know, uncomfortable. The thought there, and you know, you can get frangibles down in 30 caliber. I think you can get frangibles even down into like two, two, three. Think about it the right tool for the right job not to be redundant with the use of the word, but right now We are at the bottom here you guys without prodding today mark I'll say you guys if you're looking for a night vision you can reach me at two three one seven nine six five eight again two three one seven nine six five eight about viewers goggle gun sights for a generation or a thermal and I'll do my best to beat every one of those guys with the 800 number and to beat their price. Again, 231-796. Well, let's, I want to do this. I started to do this morning. Mark, I want to bring you some text and... Uh oh, I'll tell you what, Dom, we're gonna go to a break. How's that sound? Oh, we'll be right back. That'll work. We all need to prepare ourselves. You might have the food, water, gold and silver, but ask yourself, are you truly prepared? That's why you need to visit mainmilitary.com. Mainmilitary.com carries everything you need. Gas masks, wool blankets, fire starter kits, high capacity magazines, chemical suits, military surplus items and much more. You own a firearm. Mainmilitary.com has a large selection of pistols and rifles suited for your needs. Are your local stores sold out of ammunition? Call or visit them today for prices on hard to find ammo and bulk ammo orders. You don't need to worry about having a military surplus store in your area because mainmilitary.com is the only store you'll ever need all from the comfort of your computer. Visit them online today at mainmilitary.com. That's main like the state military.com or call them at 1-877-608-0179. That's 1-877-608-0179. 0179. Oh, the rifle in our hands will prove no trifle. You may ride a good lead speed, you may know a stern a master. You forward march with speed, but you'll learn the back's much faster when you meet our mountain boys and their leader, John, a star. Glad you make what little noise and always hit the mark. Oh, the rifle, oh, the rifle in our hands will prove no trifle. Maggie no graves at home, back across the briny water. That giddy must come, like bullets to the slaughter. But if we the jaws must do, then the sooner it is begun. If Clinton's figure holds the butt through, the quicker it will be done. Hold the rifle, hold the rifle. In our hands will prove no deripher. Hold the rifle, hold the rifle. In our hands will prove no deripher. history there and when I say we, Mark, myself, the intelligence report, the tree radio, they're in the music. A bit of history there, one being the marching song of Daniel Morgan's rifle corps and the other a bit of inspiration from a marine general that was written during World War II, Mark. I have his name here, it might have been Rupert, his last name. Forgive me if I mispronounce it ever so slightly, I kind of get over people mispronouncing my name. you know, do-do occurs. With that in mind, we're going to go forward with that than that. Talking about Halloween for a minute. I've got a gun tail that's been in the gun world for most of a hundred years now, you guys. And I think this was in a comic book when I was just a wee little puppy. And I think I had this comic book. And at the end of this, there's about six deaths here, but at the end of this, I want to recount a different movie. that it might sound kind of like familiar. Page 50, the paragraph starts, the late entry into the war of the United States limited its opportunities to innovate sniper operations, but the influence of the single well-lained shot, both outgoing and incoming, made an impression on those who occupied the trenches. American snipers talked and wrote little about their work. The few first stories of their experiences exist. Interestingly though, the sniper, that's in quotations, the sniper, one of the most descriptive accounts originally appeared, not in official reports, but in a popular pulp fiction periodical, Weird Tales. Even then, it did not make its way into print, and until nearly a decade after the war, it was on Allied and enemy rather than Americans. The Marine Corps magazine Leatherneck eventually reprinted the article by Arthur J. Burks in its August 1926 edition. Accordingly, the sniper, again in quotation, A Canadian infantry company had just taken over a portion of a front line trenches when a single round struck one of the soldiers in the forehead. Over the next three days, 11 more of the company's infantry men fell to the unseen sniper's fire. Although the shots came from a cemetery at the ridge of no man's land, the Canadians could not locate the sniper's lair. Finally, on the third night, a sergeant and a private. They requested that the company commander permit them to conduct a counter-sniper patrol. Reluctantly, the captain agreed. The article continued by saying that the two men departed and returned. Early the next morning, the captain asked, did you get them, Sergeant? The Sergeant replied, Captain, there will be no more bullets from that particular sniper. For the sake of your own peace of mind, don't ask us what happened in the still watches of the night. Yet, rest assured, sir, that whatever we did to him was not enough to pay him for the death of 12 of our buddies. That he had 12 lives to give would still have not been insufficient. On his part, it was cold-blooded murder. According to the story's narrator, the Sergeant would reveal nothing further except that there had been a crypt. The Captain He did nothing about the incident until shortly before shipping out for home after the war ended. The captain once again visited the former front lines, easily finding the cemetery because it was, unforgettably, that in quotations, in his mind. In the graveyard he found the concrete and metal crypt for had used as a hide. To the heavy slab covering the grave lay a short stick propping open the cover. Just enough. Just enough for a rifle and scope to protrude, the former infantry officer continued, lifted the slab and drew it away. Then horror seized me in its grip, turned hurriedly away and did not look back again. One look had been enough. Within the narrow retaining wall lay a moldering skeleton to which clung rotting folds of gray uniform. Beside the body lay a rusty rifle, the remnants and the remnants of a light pack. What a ghastly revenge. The captain paused according to the author and then continued. For the sergeant and the private had crept up upon the sniper and made him prisoner. Then they had thrust him back into that horrible retaining wall alive. After which they returned the slab to its place, had made retribution doubly sure. For wrapped round and about that moldering skeleton fold upon fold was a veritable maze of rusted arbed wire. Whether or not such horror stories they had in mind, it is not surprising that the United States and its allies once again shelved their snipers at the end of the war. That little... Oh... Again, this very morning I recounted the tale of uh... I don't re... Billy? Was it uh... It starts with a D, his last name, Daley or Daisy or something like that. Billy Dixon, yes. And at the end of that, well, said there's another tale and told the other tale about that very same shot. But you wonder which one is true and I'll say this might be fiction, it might be true, but if you're planning on standing off and shooting, snipers have been a despised person on the battlefield for a long time. for the reasons just mentioned man they got 12 last three days and we're going to go get him no matter the cost. Again, for the reasons just mentioned in that maybe it's fiction, maybe it's a recount of the truth. But if you're planning on being that long-range shooter you should plan on when you move into an area to shoot. You know that German soldier if that was true he really kind of pigeonholed himself into some place didn't he Mark? He really kind of put himself into a place where he couldn't wiggle his way out and here's a phrase you hear every now and then, make escape. Something we've repeated over and over again about choosing placement fire. Okay, before you whenever possible you think through the process You fire from a position and you move to your secondary position immediately most cases 99.999% of the time if especially if I'm using a screening force to draw an aggressor into an area or I want to maneuver them many times you will use a long-range, placed-fire screening force of a squad, and the whole squad will perform this way. One round, and everybody, every person on the mark fires one round, which of course causes the aggressor to take concern. Obviously, first of all, it draws attention, but also you assume that if you make contact, you're going to have a series of rounds fired from a delaying line. Well, instead, you fall back and virtually lose ground intentionally. And what I call this is like a double or triple. You can just see what's called a double or triple door on this. And it closes the door. Each team or a series of layers of teams, could even be platoon strength, can fire and then fall back. Fire and then fall back. Fire and then fall back. And each man actually is fighting his own battle in this case. Because the idea is to extract yourself from that firing line to your second position and third position. Now between the third and fourth position, you sweep. like a closing or like a door left or right with a man farthest to the left or farthest to the right the pivot. Now as you sweep you also get out of the line of fire of the second volume, second line of troops which can be 100, 200, 300 yards back from the original line. You've collapsed into that within a 100 yard range The trap door disengages and the next line begins to initiate contact while the first echelon breaks contact. It doesn't make anything any more noise. It also, you try to move this unit in such a way that you actually can't see their motion. The idea is not to get up, not to run. Rather to crawl and then use terrain to block the observable view of your evacuation. Now by using the terrain this way, the aggressor assumes he's still typically making contact with the first formation under the logic that you're fighting a withdrawal. In reality, what you're establishing or creating is a classic two-point interlocking zone of destruction, a kill zone. As your second echelon collapses back to the third echelon, which still doesn't engage on the final chord, so to speak, the units that have trap-doored left or right create one leg. The primary line creates a second leg, and then everybody makes contact upon signal. and then you really do maintain engagement for a set amount of time. It can be two magazines, it can be until you see a laser, a flare, or whatever, and then you can either break contact or you decimate the formation you've made contact with and then break contact. See how that works? That's better. Yeah, decimation is always better. You've made the effort. If this goes properly, and typically it will, it's purely a matter of putting in, here's a little trick. Take your kids that are the fastest of feet, the most flight of feet, and put them in the first echelon. Take your senior shooters and put them farthest to the rear. They're also the longest, they're your long range riflemen anyway, more experienced. And use the young ones to work as the mobile element. They're going to get plenty of an opportunity to actually engage at a given point. But initially, this helps to develop discipline. And it's something that needs to be worked on. But again, with regard to shooting locations, if you fire from a position and you're using an MBR as we've originally taught people, accuracy over volume fire, once you put a stitch to hold in something and they're over there twitching on the other end, all the friends are very unhappy. So the idea is not to be providing an opportune target for them to vent their wrath. You see exactly it creates. Oh, yeah creates horrible frustration The same is true with and in fact if you in the battle for the Republic series something we brought up several times Remember the whole idea the young the young shooter who's using the k-98 Mauser You know price for the Mauser was about $60 $70, you know the B-square scope mount he paid $60 per you know what 1600 rounds 1600 rounds of 8 millimeter Mauser back in the day But every time a position or a hide is put together, it always has, in fact, it's planned around an evacuation point. Yup. That's the whole idea. The idea is to get in there, create casualties, and offer no opportunity for compensation. That frustrates the hell out of the other side. Two, three, one, two, two, two. In every engagement, if that's the kind of numbers they hear, but they have nothing but smoke to grasp, in fact, they won't even see smoke. Think about it if you're if you're performing properly let's say that 50 caliber rifle being put into a position with a good team and everybody doing their part the Shooting the shooting bed is picked up by the assistant the gun is picked up by the primary shooter The brass and the bed is picked up by the and when I say bed I mean it can be a poncho that can be a canvas lay that can be a camouflage cover and lay Everybody has their job and you practice it So when that one round goes down range, which was focused all around say Don the long range shooter at night or you know with night vision or during the day When that trigger was pulled there is no doubt that bullet is hitting something See that one time not 50s not 50 you know like we were reading you're reading the numbers this morning About ammunition consumption to try and get one kill my problem with even the argument of the one kill is did they actually have a body? Remember during Vietnam the biggest problem is that they tried desperately to puff the numbers up I think the numbers could have even been higher We had one blood trail, sir. I think we killed 72 of them. Yeah, there's a kill, maybe three or four. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, kind of like in Red Don. How many did you get? Oh, I think we killed 12. 12? Mark, it's like the helicopter attacked into Afghanistan where they flew in and supposedly attacked 24 Taliban and killed 23 of them, but they carried away the wounded. Right, but yeah, they carried away their dead wounded. It's like I asked several times, how the hell could you do this? And they do the math. Wait a minute, you say, well we got all of them, or hit most of them, and then they carried away their dead. I mean, I just, I picture a cartoon image of a guy, like one little Arab with six bodies, you know, slung over his back and their weapons dragged him behind him. Yeah, think about it. Yeah, stupid sounds yeah, you know like that Yeah, and they even gave exact numbers. They told me made it sound like we know all see all to all Well, yeah, that was the example of the helicopter attack. I think it was 24 were there we killed 22 of them But they carried away the bodies. Yeah, they carried away. That's the numbers they think I'm quoting that money So there again, in lies the rub when it comes to even the... I think the volume is much higher. We've seen examples of this. Maybe you might recall with the riad when they first went into... not riad, forgive me, when they went into Fallujah. And you see some of the video of that where one guy with obviously probably wasn't using anything other than an SKS or probably a Moissan Neigat or a K98. and you hear one boom and then maybe a second boom all of a sudden the Marine recon platoon blaze away with three or four magazines. Now you didn't see them hit anything. No, stitched the side of that building pretty good. Yep, everybody is blazing away but they didn't hit anything. In fact, under the right conditions, not only would they not have hit anything, but somebody who were a little meaner, and that did happen many times that they don't want to talk about, the aggressor's technique allowed for them to effectively extract, you know, generate a lot more casualties with no possible generation of casualties in the attacker side, you know, on the ambusher side. Because by the time you do shoot at something, the shooter, if he's smart, is already gone. Yep, he's already changing to his second position and by the way remember you know you do want to talk about urban warfare Obliques through buildings through secondary walls. You don't hang out a window. You don't stand next to a window No You get back inside the room in another hallway and set your position up, and if you want to you know you've seen little tricks I mean throw something up there that looks like it's a person where it can be seen Let them blaze away with their first magazine or two magazines at that even let it flop over dead hell put some put a Take a gallon jug put some red junk in it defecate in it Stick it on top of a you'll put a helmet over top of it and put a ski mask on it Let them blaze it away and even see nasty stuff spraying in all directions There's all kinds of stuff you can do to create high confidence You know, three of them don't think about that when they see, oh yeah, we got one, we got one! You know, it's like, okay, then they get highly motivated because they want to go get the one they got. Which is when the next one of them gets got. Exactly. Yeah, so there's all kinds of bad things that can happen, of course. The argument is, well, they do this and they do that. Yes, we understand the battlefield and how it works. It's the dance of swords. So, just be ready for it. We're trying to give you ideas. Now, you've got to figure out and be creative on your end as far as how best to work it out. Go ahead, Don. I know you've got more, please. Well, we addressed this a week or so ago also. You know, if you're out to shoot rank, if you're out on a high hunting mission, so to speak, you might have to let patrols go by to get to the meat of the situation. And then knowing the ground and knowing your escape routes is going to be about the only thing that's going to keep you alive. If you're shooting from inside their perimeters, you understand what I mean, inside their perimeters as far as moving. If you're inside their patrols because, well, you know, big bodies of troops don't move without putting out patrols, do they, Mark? So with that in mind, if you let, you know, that group of 10 or 6 walk by, expecting to see the main group coming up soon. It would be good to have enough with you to put a KLM so when they turn back to get you, the thing they do. And now that goes back over to teamwork, doesn't it? It sure does. But again, knowing the ground. And when we talk about, you know, when you lay out that .30-06, when you lay out that WinMag, when you lay out that .338 Lapua, that .408 Chi-Tech, that .50 caliber, and you pull the trigger on it, there's generally a whole big blast comes out of the muzzle, isn't there? And if it doesn't go straight downrange, well, guess what? It goes out of the sides of your muzzle brake, doesn't it? And you know what? If you lay in tall grass on the military ridge, on the military crest of a hill, you know, so where you lift up your head, you're not profiled, you have to look for areas like that. Not every hill is as uniform as an ice cream cone. or a baseball. With that in mind you're gonna find a little place that's just a little ledge there where you can you know you've got enough room to get behind the gun and well as you point out Mark you don't want the gun sticking out of the window and you don't want the gun sticking out of the leaves and the grass and the trees and the surroundings you want to be kinda back in that if at all possible going to you know give you basic you know somebody looks in your direction it's going to confuse them. There's a whole lot of stuff between you and them. Now, if you've got grass in front of you, you think, well, that's okay. It's not going to kick up in the air like dust or whatnot. And we've talked about wetting the area in front of you, but if you've got grass there, you fire two or three shots with a 50, like, oh, one of Ronnie's guns and the fine little muzzle brake that's on that gun. You're gonna lay down the grass in front of you from the muzzle blast and you're gonna lay down the grass to each side from the muzzle brake and Eventually, if you continue to sit in one position even in wet grass They're gonna start to lift the glass and figure that doesn't look right We need to send some mortar fire over there or some some at least some you know rifle grenades. Okay, so again If you're on bone-dried dirt You're going to have to wet or put a mat down in front of you to keep dust from kicking up from your shot. Even if it's one shot, you want to do this, why? Well, if you just drop that guy with the two stars or whatever, they're going to be kind of mad at you and they're going to be kind of, you know, worrying on taking care of you the same way you just did that bars and stars, you know what I mean? You can look at an indicator and find an indicator as example, dry ground. You pull the trigger, you've got a dust cloud in front of you. Even if you get up and start to move, they're going to probably think that you're not running towards them. That's a pretty good general assumption, isn't it? So the mortar crews are going to start dropping it beyond the Delta Face site. Now one shot in wet grass isn't going to be near as, even two or three shots in wet, tall grass, isn't going to be as near obvious as the dust cloud kicking up. But if you continue to pound away from one place in wet grass, eventually they're going to sight that anomaly. That place where the grass just doesn't look right, even if you're not shooting, even if you're laid down, even if your gun matches exactly the color of the grass around it. They're going to see that non-uniformity there. And guess what? Here come the RPGs. Here come the rifle grenades. Here come the mortars. So again, ways to escape and working the ground around you. Bear that in mind. Here's another old phrase that everybody would like to experience more than once, for the rest of their lives more than once, to live to fight another day. It's a real good thing, isn't it, Mark? Let's put it this way. One of the things that we see with many of the developed militias and different formations over the years Is it sometimes in focusing on certain areas where we're weak in others or we don't necessarily take into consideration certain things even though they've been presented? You know what, we got a person trained as a long range rifleman. Do you think I want to lose that person? Oh no, if he's able, he is a good tool. You don't put a tool down and walk away from it, do you? You don't want to lose it. You don't want to leave it outside the toolbox and drop it somewhere where it's wasted. That's one of the things that most commonly, again, we get into the range, the ability to reach those distances, we look at the shooting potential, but we don't necessarily incorporate, well, we incorporate the base element of a tactical deployment. But we have to remember that when we're teaching other students, we have to constantly promote the idea that, yeah, you can be pretty stealthy and pretty secret squirrel. The use of that dugout or damaged cemetery position or a revetted position. I'll tell you, there's a couple I've seen before which would have been hellacious had the, you know, the only thing I used them for were caches. Wreckage, Don, you know, something that's been blasted where you have rebar, steel reinforced concrete that collapses also. Oh, yeah. Oh, you've got great protection. However, in many cases you don't have a second way out. In most cases you just have niches and places where you can actually fit in, provided the other side doesn't have dogs. and doesn't have smell-o-vision in whatever way, and thermal won't necessarily do them any good, you can actually find a lot of rubble points where you can dig back in like a mole or a little bit of a, you know, do a little, you know, go for work there, and it would be hard. However, the problem is you would still be there when they're looking for you. And the idea is to, again, be able to find or modify positions like that so that you have reasonable defense, You have good covering concealment, obviously. You need to take into consideration the projection of your weapon. What are the signature IDs of your weapon? You know, like the 50 cals obviously have a lot more muzzle blast to take in. And that's why there are other ways, even using rubble as a baffle. Something to think about when you fire through rubble, you know, especially damaged equipment and materials, you know machinery damaged buildings Remember that that works like a big silencer and it also deflects energy so that you don't get this single straight line projection with regard to muzzle blast and compensation So these are little neat little tricks that work. Remember you bring the muzzle back inside Now this is another reason there's another little thing everybody needs to carry despite what you know people always just ask me Why do you carry those air plugs and you know operations? You know, why are you carrying them at all? I mean it's like well, it's real simple you ever been inside and had to pull the trigger You're not gonna hear anybody afterwards. He was well, it'll hinder your hearing Well, if you pull the trigger and you're inside something you won't be hearing anything for a long time. What'd you say, Sergeant? Exactly. Everybody's talking like this because they can't hear each other, which means everybody else can hear them too. You know what I mean? Now, that's something you want to try and avoid. And needless to say, you're not going to do a whole lot of talking anyway. And you do shout and communicate at different times on the battlefield. You know, obviously, they control your motion. Not emotion, but motion. But hearing protection means that when the time comes you step back into the building you pull your weapon back into the debris field. You observe the debris field to make sure there's nothing hanging. You know here's the embarrassing thing. Uh oh. Well think about this you pull the trigger, the debris you hit slaps back and macks you in the head from the other direction of the lever. If it's something just hanging on the bottom that'd be kind of embarrassing. Don your number for night vision again please. 231796 8458 Very good. Have you got to go? I got to go Mark. God bless the republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen. The empire is on the run. But we are on the march both day and night. Blura, Six Bandettes kick him in the slats, run him over to that border and throw him over with the ATF FBI DEA Homeland Security and all the other skanks from the Justice Department who are selling guns south of the border and dragging the dope north. Thank you, Don. Thank you Mark. God bless you. God bless America. Oh, next week in this, in the, you know, previous hour, the five o'clock hour, we'll have John Burke from the 50 caliber shooters association. The week after that we'll have Larry Pratt. Thank you sir. Thank you. We all need to prepare ourselves. You might have the food, water, gold and silver, but ask yourself, are you truly prepared? That's why you need to visit mainmilitary.com. Mainmilitary.com carry gas masks, wool blankets, fire starter kits, high capacity magazines, chemical suits, military surplus items, and much more. 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