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Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic and each God given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now his parents trampled each God-given right. We only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dill the land of the free. The drums, the drums. I hear the drums. Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is the Evening Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Cornicky. I'm Larry Lawson. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, west, south, east, and southeast. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on... Liberty Tree Radio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are on live 365, then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We also on AM&FM Microstations, CB Bay Stations, and Ultra Net Technologies both east and west of the Mississippi, along with Southern and Central West. We're on the home market and we're on the Eastern Seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the ark to the Gulf of Mexico headed towards Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma. A big chunk of Nebraska, I want to say hi to everybody there, in the nuclear corn fields and then old f*** too, Wyoming in the 13th, along with the 3rd. And back over Iowa where our farm rebroadcasting sites are working even as we speak. Some just covering 2, 3, or 5,000 acres and some of the big spreads out there. Then across the Mississippi did a Golden Spike project all along the Smokies. Golden Spike designed to help to replace the internet with technologies so that when they shut it off, they're going to be cutting off their nose to spite their face on the other side. And they are ugly anyway. The bad guys, these socialists are ugly. So we don't care if they do that. They just stay away from us after they're done. Our systems will be online. Theirs won't. I want to say thank you also to the GORAMA. The Ma Bell teams up there in Cleveland, Ohio headed towards the invasion of Parma, Ohio. That's right, they're headed west, actually. Parma, the home of the Ghoul and Froggy. Only people are old enough to remember those two. Anyway, Larry, what is the date today, sir? Tuesday, October 19th, 2010 A.D. Hey, Froggy, hey, Froggy. Well, that's the Ghoul. Remember, that was not B-grade television, that was C-grade television. And it was syndicated. Anyway, we had a couple of guests here waiting in the wings, but before we go any farther, I want to remind everybody the Sergeant Dyer case has to become a high priority for everybody. The logic is they're going to isolate this person. This is designed to be propaganda. You've got a bunch of stinking rig knockers in Oklahoma to begin with. There's a bunch of other problems there. The spit swappers, mostly the alphabet soup groups that permeate local government because they've slid down like greasy slugs from their on high posts. They kind of double and triple dip. Even the governor, remember Keating was ex-FBI. What does that tell you, sleaze? Anyway, they're more than willing to bomb their own city and or do whatever damage they need to. Oyez, oyez, oyez. We know that from history, guys. We're very familiar with who actually did the Oklahoma City B**** and who was involved both before, during, and after. It was Gouverment and the Mossad. Period. Anything else? Shut up. Anyway, we had a lot of work to do here tonight. We've got Pat, Holly, and we've got Jeff here as guests. And I'll tell you what, guys, give everybody a background, first of all. Larry's, of course, right here. You can ask questions as we go. But give everybody a background on what's happening in your neck of the woods and what you guys are working on. Just three years. Let me introduce, and I'm sitting down here in the beautiful So, let me throw it over to you. As you know, I'm an American Indian and served in the armed force, right north of the 49th parallel in Canada, and the other half on this side because I have a unique status. I was born into activism. My father was a founding member of the American Indian Movement in the early 60s. practically born on Alcatraz Island when we had a takeover going on there, was involved in the reclamation of documents of five years old at the Department of the Interior in Washington, D.C., involved in longest walks, involved in probably every major standoff that's ever happened in Canada, and especially went and did some law school, learned a little bit about the law and realized I didn't like it and didn't want to be a lawyer. And today we've created a sustainable community. We're working with Jeff. we're trying to do everything off the grid uh... one of the people like to teach is we should be living in a republic not a republican or democratic party government uh... i also like to teach and talk about the original uh... founding of the constitution of how it came to be in this country and the parallels the pitfalls we have of how we allowed it to change and what we can do to make a change what i'd like to do with the go back into the seven seven platform that is where we go with the first seven articles with constitution and the first seven of the dollar rights and declare everything else and start a local government started moving forward like i said we have created a sustainable community in northern michigan and we live by the constitution and we believe in the republic and uh... see we're also working towards this so you know with our own solar wind Then working along with that, well, being trying to develop the communities across the country and where there would be communities with skills and help if needed with what we suspect is with this monetary system and maybe eventuality of many. Interestingly enough, again, we're talking about free and independent sustainability. One of the things, guys, we have all the resources. One of them hydro has been around forever and isn't that complicated and doesn't necessarily require a massive dam. All it requires is a water drop of so many inches for so many feet with a certain distance and taking advantage of the sheer mass and force of water. solar has been perfected and is being constantly perfected to the point where you can find first, second, third, and fourth generation solar now for free almost because of all the newer stuff that everybody is being talked into by, which is fantastic. It means that the older stuff is now available. Wind goes all the way back to when farmers truly were independent, most farming communities were, and they had to try and convince everybody to electrify on the grid because they didn't need to. The 6 volt car generator, eventually it would be something with alternators, etc. was the power supply for most farms across the nation. America doesn't usually know this because needless to say if you destroy enough books and burn enough information nobody will have a clue. But a lot of those wind fans that were out there, they'd be, oh look, that's a cute little, that's a farm thing. It's rusted in place now. It's got four legs. Wire construction with steel, angle iron. Those weren't just for pumping water. And a lot of those, the farmers were very creative, and they would run another pulley system off of the same shaft, and they were generating electricity. So this is not. Well, we just can't be done. Nonsense. Just to reverse. The only people that are telling you it can't be done are the people that are the control freak socialists who are trying to tell everybody, you must be under their thumb. And that's not the case at all. So the technology is out there and overlapping from so many generations. The neat thing is this. Just consider the idea of building off of the alternator systems off cars. Now granted, they don't run as well as they used to because they're China sport, Mexican sport, or whatever made. But there are some heavier grade alternators out there that can easily be brought up online for that purpose. Many, many other solutions. I know that's what you guys again are looking at. With energy independence comes the ability to make your own decisions and work for yourself. That's one of the things and own yourself. That's one of the things bad guys don't like. So it sounds like you guys have been pretty busy. And of course, we're talking to two parts of the country right here. And I know there's a lot of other people that are interested or curious. So, go ahead and get everybody an idea. How did you start this program up and where is it headed? I guess I'll go ahead there and feel that. I said when my parents were involved in the American Indian Movement in the late 60s and early 70s, there was a community of people. They were called the Mackinac's or Small Boys. And they decided they didn't want to live within the system anymore. Merely located to a mountain in the Rocky Mountains. They've been living there for 50 years now, completely isolated. They've never purchased their land, they just literally moved onto it and they've become self-sufficient growing their own foods and everything. It was a neat vision that I got to see in the early 70s. My mother who recently passed away, we were living on the Six Nations Reserve in Canada and one of the things she decided was she wanted to move back to the United States and she wanted to create a sustainable community as a legacy to her life. At that point in time we purchased about roughly five hundred acres of land and we uh... started building a community that's been tough because in the beginning it was just myself and an elderly mother and other people have come into play as we've moved into this post and uh... a fifth wheel camper a wood stove and we've evolved to the point now where we have put in modular homes through the experience we've learned in the i would call the some of the legal system this country today we've learned how to building permits thickly to be self-sustained point where Rangers we applied to the federal to have them and stated as a police for policing force for and uh... recently they verified the police out pull that the uh... that we have the the very we have a non-funded police force cited the the constitutional rangers are involved aspect of the communities now you know globalization brings localization is the old you know you can hear that units it's really starting to fulfill because even here uh... in in tennessee you have the mennonites which They're coming into this area and they're creating, they're purchasing large tracts of land, putting their stores in, they're building their commerce. In the mine, she had mentioned to me the other day that they were coming here basically because it was in the Bible Belt area of the country. I think people are starting to realize that they're ill with the aspects. With some of the armies that are up in Michigan, they've used the windmills and turned those into pressure pumps. Mark, I can't remember what the catalog. Lehman? Is it Lehman's? Lehman catalog. Out of Indiana and they have warehouses in Ohio, too. Lehman Brothers, actually. Lehman Brothers. They supply a lot of the awesome, awesome, that would run off a pressure tank where you have a large tank buried. You use your windmill to take and bring up the pressure. And then you pipe that into the house and then you've taken and removed yourself off the even solar, although you still are using the vent. And that seems to be something that's working quite well, but it is unusual. Not too many people have even thought on those issues. But with what that's doing, he's working towards trying to build these communities and giving the ideas of what's happening up in his area and then having these communities which would be built running throughout the United States. And the most important on that too is the idea that again, we don't have to run electricity if we have one of the windmills or the older style fan mill system running the pumps, which is traditionally what they were built for, obviously taking advantage of wind power. So, wind power is over, well, hundreds of years old anyway. How do you think Holland got half of its country? Think about it. I've thought, and this is something I've kind of discussed with people. Now, let's just, I want to plan a seat down here. You guys are listening, so you can kind of think about this. Everybody loves the Dutch windmills. They're so ornamental. Well, guys, they didn't build them for the fun of it. They built them so they could pick a piece of real estate, they burned it up, literally backed it off from the water, isolated it, then used the mills, once they went in the mills, once they put them in place to pump the water out. Then they reclaimed the land. Progressively, step by step, the lowlands were dried out. That's exactly what they did. Not all of them, but again, what they did is they created extensive and very viable farmland. Now, I've thought about this, what I would recommend, I know everybody is going ultra turbo fans, I know everybody is going high tech, but imagine incorporating the, taking the low tech, lower velocity fans that were the very nature of the old Dutch windmill systems and applying modern materials. See, we have to look at the idea that can we fix it? The Dutch windmill system was completely built with wood. There were some progressively improved with steel shotting and steel runners and things of that nature so that you didn't have to do as much maintenance. But amazingly enough, with the right combination of woods and with somebody that knew what they were doing, a state-of-the-art windmill lasted more than a century. And in fact, they could be disassembled, de-pegged, and actually moved to the next site to be used yet again. So they weren't really castaways. And it's why, even into this last century, the 1900s, a lot of those windmills were still standing. It's a testament to the engineering quality and mindset of the people who were building them. By the way, they were on the ocean, so they had to handle high weather conditions, cold weather conditions, cold wet weather conditions. It might be a thought process, but one thing that doesn't unnerve people, people go, oh look, modern. Ah, steel. On the other hand, if you throw something in there, any gluix diaconu, Dutch windmule, then they think, oh, ornamental, it doesn't do anything. Yeah, you're right. It's just ornamental. It's only been around for 1,200 years or so at least, and in one variation or another, even farther back. Yeah, it's just ornamental. Don't worry. It doesn't do anything. And between plastine sales, PVC, I mean, I've looked at the idea of doing one of these in a small scale version, not as big as the traditional mills, smaller. Just experiment with here in Michigan. So off the grid, this is the key here because you are not beholden to anyone. You have reduced or eliminated a lot of your expenditures that go down the road and never come back. Which is another thing to think about. If you are going to be using your wealth, this is a solution to keeping the wealth compressed and in your local community where everybody is helping to keep everybody else online. It doesn't mean that there isn't commerce, there will be. It doesn't mean people need to eat, things need to be fixed, everybody has a specialty, people learn a trade and help to work with each other. I'm sure that's the direction you guys are going, am I correct? Yes it is. Excellent. So, in the beginning, this is not a new idea. You guys were working at this for a long time. Go ahead. How many different sites have you already been working on? Give people an idea of the scale here and where you're going with it. What are the overviews? Well, right now we have the site we have here. There's one that's in Kansas. There's several in the Northwest, including British Columbia that have been started. There's upwards of 21 out there right now. And one of the things is last year we did our first trade. We traded some. We did our first commerce of trading corn that we raised up here in northern Michigan, an eight row white corn. We traded it in exchange for salmon last year. So that was one of our first commerce that we've done in the community. Quite exciting to sample, they were quite pleased with the corn. Excellent. So again, this is an opportunity for different areas that are producing to be able to benefit one from the other. Larry, who's here today, is actually an aficionado of getting off the grid too, aren't you Larry? Yes, I've been on the grid since 1995, Mark. As a matter of fact, I'm on my batteries now this year. gone from charging with a generator to using solar panels. Very good. And I heard a couple of other beeps. We might have some questions here. Who do we have as callers? Hi, this is Kevin. Go ahead, Kevin. Jump in there. You may have some questions for the gentleman. We've got Pat and we've got Jeff here. Actually, I actually have a statement. I met Patrick on the Equinox at Surpen Mall. It turns out we're actually blood welders. We share a great, great, great grandmother, I believe. And I've been to Patrick's place, and he has an ex-project going. He's working on biodiesel. He's actively using a smaller version of the windmill, battery banks. Everything he is doing is great. the strength that the bad guys really don't like because again, there is pride in performance with this. It's not a wicked pride. It's not anything that's going to hurt anybody. The idea that you're building, you produce, and there's a positive result. I was thinking about this when I was working outside today because there's always stuff I don't always do. The difference between us and the enemy is we build to create society. They build to create and use society. Patrick and I met under rather odd circumstances. I'm one of the chapters or the head of one of the chapters of the Native American Church in Ohio. Patrick and I have also been working on spirituality for other folks as well as ourselves. We're not only taking technical issues and eco-friendly off-the-grid issues, we're also trying to bring spirituality back. Very good. Appreciate that. Anything else, guys? I'd just like to say thanks, Kevin. Larry, thank you again, sir. Like I said, I haven't met you. I think your name is Larry. I look forward to meeting you in the near future. You sound like a wonderful brother. Okay, you guys have a blessed night. Thank you, sir. And again, that's Kevin. And we have another caller. Yes, this is Wayne Smith here. Go ahead, Wayne. Yeah, hi, how are you? I also am in association with Pete and actually have been up there yet. I'm getting ready to head out here in the next week. We actually am the guy in Kansas, and I've been working on this similar plan for about 10 years now. And we're going to be putting our heads together, and I just want to call in and support Pat and say that we're heading for a really good time here, and it's important for us to really grid and to maintain these sustainable communities. One of the things, in fact the guys did this for me because I didn't have the new website for Lindsay Books for a lot of our friends that are listening with technology especially. Guys, there's a lot of stuff that's been done historically to be off the grid by people that go back way before we were alive. Through to, of course, a lot of unique and innovative work that was done in the 70s. That was a transition era. A lot of things were put together and, of course, once the fuel prices went through the roof and people only made so many pennies, the creative juices started to flow and a lot of cool stuff was developed. Geodesic dome construction came back into vogue. It wasn't new, but it was actually perfected using newer technologies. A lot of other construction materials, recycling construction, I have no problem with that. I think there's some really cool stuff that was done. And some of it is very much alive and standing today. What I think I need, I can take people to show them some of the stuff that was done, which by the way, the 70s is now, this is showing our age, 40 years ago guys, you know, 35 to 40 years ago, back when this stuff was going on. And alternate construction with alternate materials are materials that rather than crushing them or destroying them or burying them in landfill. turning around and making them work for you. Tire construction is something that's back in vogue. That's come and gone, I think, three or four times that I can think of. But real quick here for ideas, www.lindsaybooks.com. Now forgive me, it's Lindsay, L-I-N-D-S-A-Y, make sure you get that right, Lind. L-I-N-D-S-A-Y, d-k-s.com. That's www.lindsaybooks.com. They've been around for a long time, or bks.com, forgive me. Anyway, they had a tremendous amount of improvised engineering books years ago. The latest way of the stuff that Lindsay's been doing includes alternate energy, especially old printings from way back, where it's all beautiful technical drawings, phenomenal drafting work done, so there's no doubt what you're looking at or how it comes together. The other thing is communications. Simple, simple, simple old earth communications, crystal radio construction, how to build your own crystal radios. It's nice to not go back to the stone age if you don't have to. It doesn't mean we can't back up here and there where we need to save resources, but if everything goes to heck in a hand cart, we're not going to be in the dark. There's no reason to be in the dark. That is why I watch movies like The Road. The guy is walking past car after car after car after car, but nobody has power and nobody knows how to make energy. Everybody is just using little fire and burning and filtering with rags. It is like, man, you people needed a class. That is all I have to say. Change your lifestyle before it happens. That way it is not like, oh my goodness, what a crisis. So, we have solutions and that's what this is about. You guys are actually plugging in and plugging in big time. Go ahead, now again, we've got different states and we've got everybody's ear on this. Where are we going with it as far as the consortium? How can people get hold of everybody and how can they plug into this? Go ahead. I guess I'll answer that. There we go. Okay. One of the things we're setting up a Facebook page that's going to allow people and communities to network. One of the things we've been working through is like Kevin that's phoned in as the Akwel O'ahu Native American Church page for the state of Ohio and for worldwide. That's where we've been sharing a lot of concepts and ideas on this. One of the things I think we forget is that human races that we're all spiritual beings on a human journey. The very fabric of religious freedom was one of the foundations of this country. We've been doing a lot of sharing there, and now it's time to incorporate and start meeting these things mainstream. One time we were operating a website. Unfortunately, due to the powers of being, when you start sharing some ideas and concepts, they tend to categorize you with different things like that. We let one lapse at one period of time, but we're anxiously going to be putting another one back up in the near future. opening or an awakening that in the meantime we can be contacted through Facebook and wave that way. If you have any kind of water dropping, there are waterfalls everywhere all through Tennessee. A water paddle, an alternator, and a few other pieces of technology. Some simple, it can be made out of wood, it can be made out of steel, it can be made out of PVC. Camouflage it, make it the color of the terrain. In other words, what the eyes cannot see, the heart does not long for. And you can put up a temporary power supply system or make it as permanent as you want and it's completely concealed where nobody will know. In fact, you put the paddle wheel on the underside of the waterfall. That way, out of sight, out of mind. First of all, if it's in the middle of BFE, who the hell is going to go there to look at it? But if somebody does waddle through there because they're overly curious, if they don't run into the guy with the still on the next ridge over and he doesn't shoot them, chances are unless they're really, really, really curious, they're probably not going to run into what you put up. It's a matter of being creative depending on where you are. And again, alternate supplies like that can be put in many, many locations and can be used for a number of different purposes. So consider, again, a water paddle system. Not a water wheel, but a water paddle system. In fact, look at the old, well there's a number of different options out there, just a matter of being creative. But for you guys down there, Jeff, what's been the biggest hurdle you've had to overcome? Well, they're just trying to stay warm. Come on, are you going to deny them that? Come on. Well, you know, it was usually late at night and they've got big eyes. So, since we've left Michigan, northern Michigan, and we landed here on raw land, it's been, you know, I remember coming across the land and I picked up a string and I went, I can use this. And I was out under it for so long that when there was a pole barn erected, I walked in, I walked back out, I walked back in and put stuff in here. If you take that mindset and you go from there where spring's one of the most important issues of your day, then you can see where we've started at. And at this point in time, we are housed a lot better than what we were with the tent. the monetary issue, as I'd already learned, the missing and the survivability skills with the brigades, the militia units, and that type of thing. One of the main things is basically trying to develop a community where you have people that have the same mindset. And that's been a problem. You have people that want to take and join in, but they don't fully join in. And then you've lost the other set of hands, the monetary issue and this type of thing. So it's very important to take and try to find like-minded people that are either in the area or come to where you're at. And those issues have probably been some of the most extreme issues is it will either accelerate the project or it will take and slow it right down to... Because when you're taking and trying to transport water, because you don't have a water line, I mean, you're heating your water with solar bags to bait with. A juice bottle, you heat the water up and it's... One evening when we were in the tent, I drew my face on it for this little she had something to cuddle to. It kept us warm. There are so many problems that you have to extinguish throughout the day that the more hands that there are, it would have been a lot easier process. Also too, Mark, you were saying like coordinators and this type of thing. You know, started to develop your Your power products was something that you do have on hand because we operated off a truck battery for months and one solar panel and some 12 volt lighting that basically I just hooked up a little plug-in underneath the hood and that's what we use for lighting. So you know what you have on hand is cost effective and it's going to be plentiful if you can't. One of the other things here too guys is to start investing in tools especially hand tools, correct? You know, when we did hit here, we were trucking a car with very minimum tools. So, yeah, if you're planning on doing something like this with the cheapest tools that you can possibly get, and then try to develop and find sources for hand tools that do not need power. You know, the tool aspect... When you go to the flea markets, you're not really seeing jewels that are a very good price anymore. No, in fact you're not seeing the quantity of them either because everybody's starting to hold back. There's two problems, number one, only so much cheap stuff, or I should say old American stuff was out there. At a given point, if everybody keeps trying to sell what they've got, the bathtub's only so full and then it's empty. That's the problem. If you do, we would attend on the state grounds and down in Nashville. They have a flea market and it's huge. But the tools are extremely high. They're older type tools but they're very expensive. So preparing right now, whatever you can put your hands on, you might want to do it. Probably the best example of guys watch yard sales or especially watch church sales where you have individuals who are older An example is, there were a myriad of carpentry hand tools that showed up at the Methodist Church sale here. Every saw, hand saw you could think of, I figured, okay, someone's going to buy these things, right? Someone's going to pick them up. Well, you know what? At the end of the sale, everything's free. Would you believe, and of course this gives you an idea of the mindset of a lot of people in the area, These handsaws were premium American grade older tools. They were not worn out. They were well maintained. One of them sold. And they didn't ask a ridiculous price. It was a couple dollars free. So I was going to buy them if I had to. But the thing is, a couple dollars and five dollars. And then they had hand augers. And we're talking American made. All of them complete. And I figured, hey, somebody at least buy those for the antique, whatever. Nope, I got them all for free. It's like, cool, I get all these tools and again just keep accumulating. Am I going to use them every day? No. I will in the future use them as I get the rest of the certain tool kits in order. And every tool that I see, I don't care if you're throwing it out, I don't care if it's got a broken handle, you grab it. Why? Because you will fix it later. One of the advantages is you've got backups to backups. If somebody else wants to get rid of it, take it. If it's something that even does need electricity, there's a little trick here, guys. You know, like everybody tosses out, here's an example. And for all of you who want to be free and independent, everybody's tossing out these cheap battery-powered drills because the battery packs go bad and they don't want to buy more. Guys, you unplug the battery pack. You find the positive-negative connect. Typically, if they're 12-volt or 12.4-volt or even 16-volt, they will run off your car battery with a couple of alligator clips. You get some scrap wire from whatever you find in the way of whatever jump point. You connect it, solder it, wire nut it, electrical tape the thing into place or goop it into place with Gorilla Glue, run the leads out the back and you've got power as long as you've got solar or you've got wind or you've got water or again like you said car. There's a portable power source. Here's your drill. Now you're working that much faster. That means you can get more done. Always, if at all possible, off the grid, but again, improving or changing, following up with other technologies. I'm going to shift for a second here because, Pat, I'm going to ask the same question. Up where you are, a little different situation. Tennessee, Michigan, we're here in Michigan. What were the big things you had to overcome with regard to building up independence? One of the big things, like I said, with Jeff is manpower. Initially, people came in with the idea that a lot of people came because they saw it as an opportunity for free rent and not having to do anything. When you create a community, it has to be an equal partner. We started out probably a little too big. We brought our own livestock in and everything and tried to sustain ourselves. We've downsized the goats and sheep that we raise. It was the best bang for your buck per acre. It takes one cow feed off of four acres of land, basically, and you can raise 20 goats and sheep on the same land. We went with the goats and sheep for our dairy and our meat. We raised our own chickens and turkeys. Manpower was a huge problem. When we got here, we had a little bit of money because we were involved in the tobacco industry in Canada. We came down here, so we bought a sawmill and we bought our own biodiesel processors and a number of the tool things we tried to cover very early. But finding the manpower. And then my mom always would say things would work out for a reason. We met a couple brothers down here that were part of the... And we met them through the Emerson Review newspaper. And here like gangbusters, and they put us probably five years ahead of schedule with the amazing work they did. and brothers right now, you know, and that just tells you when something's working there for you. I just want to let everybody know that's in northern Michigan, you know, Randy and Greg Chafee are some of the finest men you'll ever meet, and they've helped us tremendously. Had another man down the road named Gary Tucker, you know, the local restaurant. You know, he's another one that's very involved in the Patriot or Freedom Movement. You know, he's actually, folks are going to do have to mention this, Michigan, and he's under Gary Tucker. sponsoring a smoke-in on November 14th just before the opening of deer season and he's asking every resident of the state of Michigan to light up, you know, to exercise our rights that are being, he's even asking non-smokers. But no, manpower, and then I agree with you on buying the old tools, anything we can get our hands on, we stockpile. If you can have 10 of something, you know what, down to this financial crash, good as gold. Gold and energy are gonna be the thing that we should have enough compact, we're willing to share them when they need them as well. That's what we've been facing. in Northern Michigan. People couldn't afford to everybody go out and buy a tractor and get into debt. Everybody go out and buy a thrasher and get into debt. We found out what happened in the 70s when banks went after the farms because of that. Everybody was convinced that they needed to keep getting into debt and buying bigger and the cycle was reversed for the farm. The banker was manipulating the farmer instead of the farmer being the commerce person coming in and the banks having to entice him to put his money somewhere. That's one of the keys to controlling population and to attacking a population or a civilization, especially from the bankster end. What we need to look at is farming out resources from different sources, but being willing to share and in the process also helping to maintain. When the time comes, there's like use fees. There was a whole market to this. The Amish have their own bankers. They actually bank amongst themselves. People don't realize they're just milktales. They deal amongst themselves. They don't have third parties involved. There is a specific trade mechanism in place. There is all the equivalent to a quartermaster and also standards that are set amongst the community. Now we do this to a degree outside, but in a frivolous way, letting third and fourth and fifth parties manipulate the environment to the point where now the economy is in a shambles. It's because everybody thought they didn't need to have any responsibility. Well, guess what? If you let some of the third, fourth, or fifth party come in, they don't have any interest in your interest except how they can take more interest and use it to get more of what you got. That's why we're seeing the problems that we are today. Understanding the value of something and the fair trade of something. Commerce is not bad. When you guys traded that corn, you were happy with the end result with the trade, weren't you? Very much so. And you felt satisfied. You actually produced something, you got a good product, they had a good product, you looked at what they had, they looked at what you had. When everybody was done, you gave everybody a handshake, everybody said that's a deal, and the trade was made. So that's money. That is an exchange in a way. You may have some different product, but that's how money is used. That is a form of money. Your corn was a form of money. Any product you change works the same way. I hear Dave there. Good evening gentlemen. I have to put my two cents in here. This is my baby. Twenty years of working on sustainable communities. I can't believe what your gentlemen here are attempting to do. I'm at Lone Wolf territory gentlemen and I have been fighting for five years with a bunch of attorneys trying to stop me from putting in a hydro dam. I had a nice long talk with two of them on Sunday. They came up here to look at our little beaver dams. They said, well, we heard you want to put in hydro. I said, that's right. One of them finally, after talking with me for about 10 minutes, says, you know what? You're right. It would be helpful to the community, wouldn't it? We're talking a huge hydro dam, lots of water power, 20 foot of waterfalls. It will produce enough electricity to maintain at least 30 homes or more. And they have fought me for five years to keep us from putting that in. This is Lone Wolf territory and it's about to get recognized whether they like it or not. You and I gentlemen, I'd like to talk with you afterwards because you got another one down in Tennessee, the Washita Nation. Have you contact with them? They're trying to set up the sustainable communities as well. I've worked with them for about two years. They're even issuing their own driver's licenses and license plates already. We haven't ready here to issue same design. the same type of plate, only home with plates, and ready to roll. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let's back up here. Do you mean to say that they had to set up a prison with one prisoner and a stamping machine so they could do this? Oh, whatever they did, they've done it, because 200 people right now in Tennessee are driving on uh... i Cherokee plates when you can make like this place without prisoners i've i've been told this i i'm sure i watched all the movies the only place where license plates are made is when you have government prisons everyone has been stopped so far down to its west Tennessee is where the patients that uh... and most everybody that has been stopped already the police after fifteen twenty minutes come back and back there at their tech their uh... credentials and tell up have a nice day Nobody has been ticketed yet for driving with those plates. No one. And here in New York, two of the nations now are issuing their own passports and we are also preparing to issue passports. And you must also set up your own post office. and your own bank. We have all the paperwork on that. In fact, one of the men working with me with it, he actually helped set up the Ithaca Hours way back in 1991. We have some of the original thinkers and stinkers that the government hates working on the project on our end. Well, what park are you from? Because I'm actually originally from Lewiston, New York. We're near Watertown. Watertown, I know that area. So you're just up near Rome, New York, and that area. Oh no, water tip. Rome is over 150 miles from here. I've been through there because I lived in Aquasosne for a while. Aquasosne, we spent two weeks at Aquasosne. We had four Long House meetings and they're getting ready to move forward as well. Now are you working with Kenny Koppelmeyer? Gee, I don't know if that name should have been mentioned on the air. Okay. anyway i don't get it well so dot dot info yeah i i don't think i know the area up there you guys are doing some good things i don't it's what worked to go over to great britain just recently play for the air quad national lacrosse team i know about that well they've had no problems using the the passports here at aqua sesame uh... as well as uh... there's three or four that have actually bet that that's a cold that's wayla i think they bet this somewhere security using their passports and they have been in and out of the country without any trouble? Well, we're able to use our IDs across the US Canadian border right now and that type of thing. I know it's difficult. I sat in on the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and we have challenged that. It's unique you say Venezuela because when you're talking about that passport, I know a group of people did go there and they were let in about three days after attending down there for the World Social Forum. But that was another story. But I know traveling in New Mexico, I traveled there on my own in the Shawnee passport. We need to talk, gentlemen, sometime off-air or need to exchange emails pretty real quick because this needs to be moved on. I get a copy of the law and they've changed the law again. They are going to try to totally close down the establishment of any home and nation. After June of next year there is the deadline. There will be no more allowing the setting up of sustainable communities after June of next year. They've changed the law again. Well, let's put it this way, guys. The administrative mechanism thinks that it's going to stop that, but the problem is this. As the machine is breaking, more and more the imperial frontiers will collapse. This is true of any situation like this. We are talking about what is a literally, it is going to be a fog. The farther you are away from central control, the fewer people are going to be motivated to die for the enemy's cause. What is also going to happen is the very nature of the people who have gravitated to the police state and gravitate to all these bureaucratic positions is that they are incredibly lazy. The Soviet ization of the system is such that if and I've asked this a million times on the air How did the Soviet socialist system work? You know once one factory built tractors for 40 47 years non-stop that America built the tractor plant GM did by the way actually with international harvester lessons never built anything themselves Well, they did, but mostly guns to kill other people and us and their own people. Just as we have our problems here with our different organizations doing the same thing. But they would build a tractor, and because of the Soviet ties system and everybody is equal, when it got out to the end of the factory, nobody could be chastised for making a mistake. So every tenth tractor, sometime every eighth tractor, would simply not work. The solution, rather than addressing where the operator was that screwed up the truck, you know, screwed up the machine, was to drag the tractor out to a field and they promised at the end of some year, now at the end of the year, they were going to go through all these tractors. Well, the number of tractors laying in those fields measured in the tens and tens of thousands because nobody ever was told to fix the tractors, nobody ever bothered to correct the mistake that was being made. And rather than becoming more efficient and becoming more intelligent about the process, they had a tendency to just keep doing the same old thing. Well, that's the nature of the creature we're facing. They're not going to be any more motivated, they're not going to be innovative at all, they may be greedy, but they're going to be dangerous. Uh oh, who's dying there? Yeah, really, cover the phone up, guys, come on. Use your thumb over the receiver. It's an old trick, it works. Anyway, just a point that what we're facing is as more and more of the system collapses on itself, there'll be the patrols. But let me give you an example. I've talked about this many times. You know they've cut off so many bridges in Michigan that there are places where you can go that nobody wants to go now. What's cool about that is if you get there first and start to occupy like the village, it's pretty well closed down to include the bar, which when the bar is gone, you know the town's dead. Nobody's going to let the town I'm in is like they do nothing they've closed even the post office the gas station is the garages the all the bars Hotels there's nothing left here and yet these attorneys are doing everything they can to prevent us from turning this into a sustainable Well the reason for that is you're looking at again the ring knockers and that's one of the one of the things to remember is it depends on where you are some of these places are so isolated now the ring knockers and They figured that it was going to be part of either the Open Lands Act, it's going to be part of the red zones or whatever. The thing is, we're at the point where stepping in, taking it over and literally controlling both the township, controlling the village, or controlling the local real estate. is as easy as could possibly be imagined as purely a matter of motivation. But then again, somebody has to be baking bread, somebody has to be pumping gas, somebody is going to have to be a carpenter, someone is going to have to work for a living. And that's the part nobody likes. There's a four-letter word everybody hates, W-O-R-K. So that's the part. Exactly. Well you know what, everybody can have a job no matter how old or young. Everybody can find a niche. That sounds weird, but if somebody is willing to spend their resource time, whatever exchange mechanism they have, because they want to buy flowers, you could do that. If you are an iron monger and another iron monger comes in and he's better at it than you are, then you're going to start competing. Well you both get better at your trade. See, competition of that type creates a very healthy environment because quality improves when there's only one company. It's like right now all this communist BS going on. Guys, when you go to the hardware, they're producing junk and they don't care. Why? Because they've been told that all the other competition is going to be killed off and you're only the only one company that's making the junk doesn't have to worry about somebody else building something that's better. That's happening right now. I'm looking at the hardware and going, where the hell did this garbage come from? Many times I go to the hardware and I flat out say it that way. What the hell happened to you people? They're like, they're going to Norman Coordinate, like in the Star Trek episode, the badge flashes on their chest, boop, boop, boop, boop. And they start repeating Norman Coordinate, Norman Coordinate, because they don't want to think about it. Now some tools in some industries are still a mix. But whole categories are either gone, certain manufactured items are not even on the books anymore guys. And these are things that were industry standard and still would be industry standard, were they available. But the powers that be have told them cut it off. So we need to be there to fill in that blank. And actually a machine shop, a tool shop, a tool shop is the blacksmith of the day in the community. Hey guys, can I throw something in the middle? Go ahead, jump in there please. Forgive me. I didn't want to take the ball set. This is Kevin again in Ohio and I'm sorry for coughing. I did a parody ceremony last weekend. We were going to find you and choke you. Please do. This job is really rough. I wanted to throw something in that Patrick had put out there that he has contacts on Facebook. I would like to ask him to at least give his personal contact. I would also like to ask Larry and the gentleman in North Carolina if you as the DJ can facilitate this, connect all of us by phone number, email or something. I know that Patrick, I know, Larry, I don't know, the gentleman in Tennessee, that's Cherokee, I don't know yet, but you have a hell of an open forum here and I really hope you can connect us because I think it needs to happen. We have a large area in North America that needs to be covered and there are some of us that are stepping up. Here we go. Tell you what let's do guys because we're going to run into dozens. Come up right now and I know we've got to clear the lines here. We're going to do this. We can stay, well actually we've got to clear this line completely. Guys, you want to come back tomorrow at the same time and do this again, 8 o'clock? Sure. Everybody, we're going to close the program because the Dutch is coming up right now. I'm just going to close, but don't go anywhere. Everybody stay right where you are. God bless the Republic. Larry? Yes, eternal to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We're on the march both day and night. We are freedom, gentlemen. And freedom and liberty are determined by all of you that are listening and the people who wish to be free and independent. That made this country strong and it will make this country strong again. But we're not giving it to the bad guys in the other side, keeping it for ourselves. Thank you, gentlemen. You stay where we are. Dutch Jones coming up. He's probably up there right now. Their motto is resistance to the tyrants never hear Shout, shout the battle cry