October 11, 2010
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59m
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Mark Koernke discussed winter preparedness and equipment upgrades for cold weather operations, covering clothing layers, emergency gear, and vehicle supplies. The show featured extensive discussion of night vision technology with guest Don Betcher, including device types, performance specifications, and field deployment tactics. Koernke reported on the Knob Creek Gun Show, highlighting available surplus firearms including Romanian SKS rifles, Nagat revolvers, Bulgarian AK-74 bayonets, and Saiga shotguns with drum magazines. He provided vendor contact information and emphasized the importance of acquiring surplus military equipment while supplies remain available.
- winter preparedness
- cold weather gear
- night vision
- first generation
- second generation
- third generation
- knob creek gun show
- romanian sks
- nagat revolver
- bulgarian ak-74
- saiga shotgun
- surplus firearms
- militia training
- preparedness
- equipment procurement
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Live 365 and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You vie permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torture freedom burning bright. As Iowoki vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? We are on the line 365, then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We are also on AM&FM Micro stations, CB Base stations, and Ultra Net technologies both east and west of the Mississippi along with Southern and Central Alaska. We are on the Hallmark Network on the eastern seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc to the Gulf of Mexico headed towards the region of Texas Oklahoma. Chunk of Nebraska, big chunk, the third of Wyoming, our friends in Iowa, all the farms there which are still running. It's an hour earlier or so than we are depending on what part of Iowa you are looking at. They're still out there working the fields and they got thousands of acres to work. So we'll keep you busy and hopefully keep you thinking while you're out there on the machine. But if you do have a problem, shut her down. Clear the equipment, then start it back up, people. You all know better to try and cut corners. Unfortunately, you usually end up with cut body parts. Back over across the Mississippi, then down and over to the Golden Spike Project over there on the Blue Ridge of Smokies. Want to say hi to our ma, belle, grammars in Cleveland, and our friends over there all across the eastern part of Tennessee that are working real hard to set up a new wireless grid that's going to be overlapping some of our other hardline stuff. So we'll see what happens there. Don, it's dark out there, but what's the date today, sir? Well, it's the 11th day of October, year of our Lord 2010, Mark. It's again 11 October, October 10. And it's dark. It was a great day, beautiful day. I got some more stuff done for the snow fly. Too far away, you guys, if you live in that area. So you touched on that earlier in the day, Mark, and we have to reinforce that because you know what? If you have something to do in the wintertime in the house, cabin fever can be avoided. If you work in long plans, you can put things off that can be done in the winter in the house and do the things outside that need to be done. If you arrange and juggle and arrange your life that way, it makes things easier. I just thought I'd mention that, Mark. The change of seasons. There's this thing called human inertia. We try to continue to do the same things. You're not going to go unless you're living in Florida or Arizona, water skiing in January or February. Well, maybe Texas. You know what I mean. That's a geographic thing. Plan on it. Get ready for it. It's almost upon. The other thing is you guys talking along these lines. Scripture says, pray for flight does not happen. It might be in the winter on the Sabbath. We've talked about and addressed this before. It's one of those days that it's going to be chilly tonight, not cold unless, well, you're in a bad way out there in a t-shirt and tennis shoes. We've addressed this. I've walked with Nancy on this last week, Mark, about glemmading for the winter time. You guys, in just another week or three, it's going to be chilly enough. You'll see people in Phoenix if you go to Phoenix for the winter. There are people who summer in the north and winter in the south. I've had the opportunity to be there in the summer and in the winter. In the winter, a lot of people that live there, they're walking around it literally in winter coats and it's 70, 75 degrees. They've got what would be a winter coat on almost. Northern and the winds and the snow and everything and they're cold become acclimated to that desert and the summertime spring and fall. That's when the summer runs up to. 110, 115, even sometimes 120 degrees, rather than more livable climates like the Gulf of America. It's looking us in the face, and I've said it before. I'll finish this thought with, unless you want to continue it, Mark, you've heard it on this hour before. You get in a bad way in the weather in particular, you know, the winter and the cold. It will kill you. It knows no enemy. It is no one's friend. But it will kill you as sure as an enemy bought. I'll be quiet now. Do you want to change subjects, Mark? Well, actually, the big thing is to start switching out your equipment right now, look at how you're going to re-upgrade because we're heading towards winter months. You should already be carrying cold weather gear in your utility equipment with your vehicles. That should be policy anyway because anybody knows that if you're going to run into an accident situation, guys, typically you're going to be treating for what? Treating for shock. That means trying to keep core heat active in a casualty and you may end up with more than one casualty, you might be the casualty. So additional support technology, coats, blankets, things of that nature, or something that is a priority. Emergency blankets, as we call them, on the vehicles are critical. But your combat gear should reflect the weather shift. Always have some cold weather gear on board, a wooly pulley, for instance, in your backpack. your fuel jacket liner even if you don't feel you need your fuel jacket liner during the summer. Why? Poor man's sleeping bag and nothing else. Okay, a number of different ways it can be used. But the idea is to have something to add layers of warmth when the time comes. Spare glove liners, spare socks. Socks can be used as gloves. So wool socks and wool glove liners are a really, really good idea if you can find them. If not, piles of jersey gloves, at least in the vehicle, zip lock, bag them, or ideally vacuum seal them. That way when they bounce around back there, it gets wet. They don't. And when the time comes, you've got something dry to put on your hands. This helps to keep you warmer in general because remember, moisture kills. Moisture pulls heat. You lose calories. During the summer, that's not a problem. You're trying to shed them. But even there, you can still have exposure issues, depending on what you're doing. During the winter, though, cold is absolutely a killer across the board. And we want to make sure that we keep you as dry as we can and as protected as we can. Layers are the key because that way you can open up and ventilate as needed or you can bundle back up and stay pretty confident that you're going to be safe. The other thing is food and water. And again, what I would recommend, remember we're looking at the season change. It would be a good idea if you have been keeping water and storage and canteens and such in your combat gear. If you haven't used anything, you sure you know to dump it, but you should be cyclically dumping it and reloading as it is. Just keep it fresh. Make sure the containers are kept clean. Overview with regard to other items include warm head gear that can be old baklava, a three-hole ski mask, any kind of helmet liner covers, the types that are the cold weather gear like the Norwegian ones we offered last year. A scarf is another thing. It becomes both a light pillow, it can be a cold weather item, it can help to cover the hands. Most of the US ones are actually a hollow tube, which means you can actually use them like a baklava. You can wear them as a... you put one end over your head and on the top of your head wrap the rest around the face and you actually... like a Bernouce works quite well. The other is of course a scarf itself to help seal up the system, so to speak, and also cover the face. especially in the extreme cold weather. So these are basic utility tools. Dump Knob Creek, the guys had some pretty good prices on American Mickey Mouse boots. And everybody was taking advantage of that and carrying them away. I noticed actually quite a few of those left this weekend. And you know, it was not exactly a cold weather weekend either. It was one of those, hmm, it's kind of warm. But they're looking ahead. Yeah, so fortunately- I haven't seen them in a while. There is a company up by you that is actually in a little surplus store. The guy has a whole bunch of military vehicles and he does have boots. But again, few and far between are the Mickey Mouse boots, guys. He has a couple of odd caches here and there. The other variation, there are two countries that made a variation on the US Mickey Mouse boot, mostly the infantry boot. Not many companies made the more expensive valve boot, which is designed for equalizing pressure when you're an aircraft. That's what the valve boots were for. They were also deeper protection in that they were rated to a colder temperature also. They were actually even more insulated than the standard Mickey Mouse boot. The infantry boots were made in Korea as a copy, but the Koreans also used them. I mean, it's not that they didn't just make a copy, guys. They used them themselves. And also France, which you hardly saw in the surplus, but in the last couple of years France has released some thousands of their copy of the Mickey Mouse boot which they have sold in the surplus market. Only a handful of companies have gotten any of them and when they're there, they're typically in medium sizes. Now some big but typically medium, and what we mean by medium is about size 8, size 9 and then maybe up into the 10s. They're certainly smaller and they are certainly larger but those are in the minority. Smaller is always common. in general simply because there aren't as many people out there running around that want to be wearing cold weather gear in our 100 pound soaking wet women etc. because typically the smaller sizes were made for female troops etc. Great for the kids though. If you're trying to find stuff for the Munchkins and you're trying to outfit them with cold weather gear which we've done for years that's a great way to get up with some of the best gear made for a, again, consistently made that's the key word. for military operations. The mouse boots have proven themselves time and again. I consider those a very valuable, very critical and very valuable tool for all of us who are in winter combat operations. Have it in advance, make sure you got it where you need it that way when the time comes. You're not going to have to worry about chipping toes out of frozen boots. Other than that, again, head to toe, top to bottom. We just went through it real quick. Soon enough we are going to have snow on the ground. If you go through our YouTube videos you will notice that our militia units we train year round. There is no part of the year that we are not in the field. So everybody out there pay attention. If you want to go to YouTube and then punch in Liberty Tree Radio. That is Liberty Tree Radio. Then scroll through our videos and watch them. You will see some of the equipment. And of course pretty much everybody in those scenes. I think there is only one or two that weren't. Pretty much everybody has a pair of Mickey Mouse boots or a pair of Sorrells, depends. But the Mouse boot is dominant and it's very, very popular for obvious reasons, especially when you look at some of that video footage there. Even the lubricants in the cameras were freezing up. That's where I wanted to go next, Mark. And use the example you guys. You'll find information here and there. And if you ever come across a copy of a book called the Blond Night of Germany. Pick it up. It's a good information about the Eastern Front and Russia fighting German aviation against Russian aviation and ground and whatnot. There's good information there. It's a story and it was pretty big ace, World War II. In fact, the biggest scoring ace in history. The Germans were having, and again, I know it's a primitive example, But the Germans were having problems keeping their guns and cannons operating at altitude in the winter time. And sometimes, well, here come them Russian fighters, or sometimes they'd attack Russian bomber formations and their guns wouldn't work and they'd be under fire because the Russian bomber or Russian fighter guns were working. Now not everybody was a good communist, you won't have to understand that. And one day this one guy who didn't like living under communism came running across the lines and found his way to the German aerodome. And he was a Russian aviation armorer, Mark. And they took special interest in him and asked him, how is it your guns are operating at altitude in this cold, cold weather? He told him, well, go get me some guns. And he boiled their guns in water, boiled all of the oil out of them, cleaned them till dry so the water didn't hurt. And again, this is a primitive example. And told them to assemble the gun and test fire the And in the dead of winter, the gun would cycle and would never come up to such an operating temperature that it would harm itself. It had all the clearances and no oil. Guns were maintained and serviced and whatnot. But now, we don't have to be that severe, you guys. You'll find that something that keeps your gun running in the middle of the summer, smooth and everything goes back and the bolt jumps back. The last shot of the day on that trigger was as crisp as the beginning. Well, that might not be so good in the winter time. And you might want to think about, even if you've again found a good oil that you've worked, it works all, you know, if you're in a severe climate you guys, we've talked about, and I've bought the example of the AR-50 just freezing close from a little bit of snow in a little while. And that can even happen over even if the gun is oiled. And we could talk about gun rags. We've brought that example up. But try to find some graphite lubricants, dry lubricants, or some extremely thin oils. for the wintertime and put them away and you may never need them but you know what how does that go Mark? Are better to need it and not have it than what? Need it and not need it then need it and not have it. The bottom line there so as far as you know I think we've covered we've taken the first 20 minutes to cover the oh we're looking at wintertime. Those Mickey Mouse boots you guys you know Skip used to say once you got a night force on top of your gun you'll sell the gun if you have to if you're down to the I've got to be out of here in about 10 minutes. And, as we pointed out, your best bet is to give Don a call. If you're looking at getting night vision by from a friend rather than a stranger, in this case, Don will keep you up to speed on whatever. When you ask a question, you're going to get a straightforward answer. If we don't know it, which is very rare for Don, then as far as especially with night vision, because again, you've been keeping up pretty well abreast to what's been going on in the industry, Don. You can always get hold of the guys who make it. If there is something unique or odd, you missed on something. So guys, don't be afraid to give them a call. If you're looking at picking up Night Vision, he's going to give you probably the recommendation on the best technology. A lot of people, of course, are watching the Night Vision Trio videos, the instructional and the field discs. They are part of the 3D series. We will cover that again in a bit. Go ahead, jump in there and let people know what is available and how can they get hold of you. Please. Well, the first thing I would say, you touched, you took the words out of my mouth there Mark. You guys, you can see all kinds of things on Hollywood and the news and all kinds of things about night vision. But, to my ability, the night vision video is presented as humanly, honestly as possible. When there's an alteration of slight magnification, you're told. When it's magnified to pixilation, you're told and then it's obvious. But what you see there is what you get in second and third generation on the video, you guys. So, the examples of performance capabilities. Go back to the first video and man, oh man, that's almost two hours worth of about night vision. History, performance, how to get the most out of it, what you're looking at, how to work with, how to work with the wind and all. That's a real good pen to help you out. That's the bottom line there. That's what we're, you know, well gee, enough blowing my own horn here, you know what I mean. Get the night vision video, you guys, and you're going to learn a lot. And you're going to sip a lot of, I'm in the field, you're going to keep a lot of time off of your device. That's always good too, because there's limited amounts. First, second, or third generation, you can say that there's almost all first generation now, it's Russian tubes, you guys. $1,500 is about the lifetime of it. first generation tube. If you treat it real good, don't point it at street lights and tail lights and for the moon, this object in the night sky. If you treat it real good, you might get $1,600 or $1,700 out of it. $1,500 is the accepted manufacturer. $2,500 for a second generation United States. Although right now, you guys, I have available a Belgian to claim 5,000 hours lifetime generation. Now, Jesus, the American, I don't know whether coming up in construction or whatnot as far as justifying twice the lifetime in a generation two, but manufacturers is 5,000 hours. Now, one manufacturer is saying nine and the other manufacturer is saying of the two major third generation manufacturers are saying nine and 10,000 hours minimum lifetime of a third generation two. Every night you guys, you can burn first generation in less than a year. time and the third generation a little more. Dawn to dusk and that's not even advisable. There's a reason why they call them LPOPs, Mark. Observation. The first part of what you generally hear, it's not OPLPs, is it? LPOP and you know what that is. That's a listing post, observation post. Listening first because many times you'll hear before you'll see them. And that sound will kind of get you looking in that direction and then maybe you see that first motion. It's not necessarily even in an LPOP to sit there and burn a piece of night vision all night you guys. Turn it on at dusk, turn it off at daylight. That's just a waste of the device and even your experience. One thing about that is, well gee, you know, you get... work. Your eyes get fatigued looking at a piece of night vision and what are you going to do? You're going to hand it to somebody else. The Army says 45 minutes and hand it to somebody else. But now, that's with two eyes generally. But now almost everybody, contrary to your Army procedure again, the 45 minutes, almost everybody has a third generation piece hanging from their helmet mounted on top of the same piece if they choose to mount it on top of their AR. So again, it's out there. I gave you an idea of lifetime. Let's give you an idea of light performance that can be example in an audio arena over the radio. If you have a first generation piece and there is a full moon, you should be able to see with almost any first generation piece on the market, 100 yards and determine the make of the car. It should be that clear for you at 100 yards. Unless you have something so old like the Russian that looks like a metal movie camera. That's like 12 lines per millimeter. It looks like a metal 16 millimeter movie camera mark. So rare now they're kind of old. But you should on a full moon night be able to recognize the make of a car as long as it's not hidden in shadows, you know, out there in the moonlight. You know, someone walking toward you if you know them. Now that's a good first generation piece. By the time the moon is, all you have is stars in the sky, you should still be able to recognize that person at 100 yards, the make of the car. In fact, you should probably still be able to do that at 100, no shadows or anything. It's overcast, no stars visible in the sky to 200 yards of illumination. You should still be able to recognize and make of the example of life, low light performance. The light is gone. You're going to be itching to turn on the illuminator if you have one on your first generation device. We've talked about pre-deploying illuminators so that you're not at the site where the illuminator is. If you do that, you can actually, if someone wants to walk in there and remove it, well, they're kind of walking into a highlighted area if you're looking at it with a piece of night vision. If someone wants to be so aggressive that, well, see that piece of that illuminator over there, shoot it until it's dead, they might not hit it with the first shot. Now you're looking and now you've got an idea where they are too, right? Again, they might first shot, but now you've still got warning, don't you? two or three or ten dollar piece or if you've gone commercial and gone with something that's really high performance and 150 yards and the adjustable beam or something like comes on your gun site, that's 120 to 140 dollar piece you guys. But we've talked as of late of building your own. Go down to Radio Shack and purchase a number small. Under two dollars you can get an infrared LED emitter. It looks like a little LED light bulb. but it's an infrared emitter. Pound a couple of those into a flashlight body and wow, now you've got $4 into it and a little bit of epoxy or some type of blue one. Well that tube could build 50 or 100 of these so count it as negligible and you've got your batteries in there. So now you've got an illuminator that you can pre-deploy and leave in one place. And if you're clever you could even hook up the switch with the tripwire. So now you've, you know, you're beating the heck out of the commercial available, you know, infrared. pre-deployed infrared would be really good with first generation for the aforementioned reasons. You're going to want to turn it on real quick on your first generation device. Now if you were to do that and have it on top of your night vision, your gun sight, your rifle, and you're walking across the field and you're looking around or you're crawling across the field and you're reaching, lifting your head up and looking around, someone over viewing that area with their second or even their first generation device if they haven't turned on you, their illuminator, you don't know where they're at yet, or a particular second. or third generation. They're kind of like the submarine still running silent, no kings yet, and they're working off your one ping, that individual, that individual illuminator out there roaming across the field. Now you're kind of giving yourself away. The same thing works, and I've encouraged you if you're going to buy a light for your gun or a laser for your gun, not to buy an on-off switch type, buy one with a pressure across the field, or if you bring up a laser to target and creator forbid that something happens to you, well you fall and now your gun is laying there next to you, maybe it's pointed up at the sky and maybe that laser is still in the on position. And that kind of gives your position away to anybody out there with night vision. So if you were to let go of the gun, even as you fell or move your hand to a different position on releasing the off switch, well you're kind of not throwing that laser around in the air. You guys, I've got to go out the door here. Mark, I was raised in that no excuse environment, but you know there's something I got to do. You guys, if you want to talk, I'll be back here in just a little over half an hour. If you want to talk to me about night vision, you can reach me at 231968. Again, 2319684. I'll be back here just after 9, but I have to make some tracks, Mark. Thank you. And again, I want to make sure that we've got a little bit of new listeners and for our friends that we're asking a lot of questions this weekend. If you're going to be buying night vision, why buy it from a stranger, buy it from a friend, ask on the questions you need to. Some people think, why do you make goggles? That's the most common comments made. Well, no, you may not need night goggles. You may just need a metascope, or a single single monoscope out there for observation or you may need a weapons site for certain missions. It depends on what it is you're structuring, your concept of using the night vision is all about. Where do you plan on employing it? How are you going to deploy it? Well, I've got to go, Mark. Thank you. Very good. And appreciate it. Thank you, Don. And again, it's Tom Betcher and this is the Intel report. It is Monday. Not quick, but exceptionally well for our friends listening. Sometimes it will catch us this hour. And although the attendance was down initially, people kind of, I think, one of the things that happened to the economy is certainly chewing on stuff. The other thing is it was an incredibly nice weekend. A lot of people were out during the day running about. We had beautiful weather for the whole weekend, actually from Thursday, well before Thursday. The Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday set up went well. I want to understand everybody got everything put where they wanted to and the rest is history. Of course, now Creek is now coming gone. Once the evening started to cycle in, a lot of people came in for the evening shoot. That's really what they wanted to see or they figured they'd time it so they would take care of stuff they had to do with the family. Then we bring everybody over to Knob Creek and so there was another big wave that came in for the big evening shoots and that's basically how it worked out. Some calibers they ran out of in general across most of the dealers and so that was kind of interesting. 7.62x39 was bought up in a couple of different venues. The other interesting thing is there were a few new items there. I will point out CenterFireSystems.com. CenterFireSystems.com has Bulgarian AK-74 benefits. Now they didn't, don't have these listed anywhere. You go to the website, chances are they're not there yet. They are the same price as the standard East German and Russian AK-74 wire cutter bayonets. These Bulgarian bayonets are wire cutter but they are a dagger blade. Instead of a bowie blade they are a dagger blade and they are heavily reinforced. These are really nice. These are the bayonets that went along with the earlier 90 series Bulgarian AK-74s and AK-47s with the newer barrels. It was an all new redress for the AK and the Bulgarians took a step into the future and built better barrels on top of everything else. Their barrels were so unique that they were restricted. The plant was under high locking key and the standard of their barrels was such that the Russians started to buy them and put them on their AKs. What did that tell you? So unique process, very high quality. If you have some of those earlier Bulgarian AKs, all black typically, black hardware, black finish. Don't get rid of them. Hang on to them. They were top of the line, still are top of the line as far as I can see. I don't think there's anybody who's done as well as the Bulgarians. We probably will have brought our standards up to theirs, but the Bulgarians exceeded everybody for whatever reason, right place, right time, right technology. Not a whole lot of the nagat revolvers, but I was talking to different dealers, either they have not been able to access them. So this is interesting, and maybe Centerfire will have some here soon. I informed them, because they were down there, that hey, the nagat revolvers are back out there in force. And they said, really? Who has them, or who's carrying them? They didn't have any information on the However, there are other people who are carrying them. How many still have them? I do not know. But there weren't that many of them at the gun show either in general. So that should be a little case in point. You guys have been scarfing them up and dragging them all the way. That's good. I like to hear that. So as we find out more, I'll let you know. But AIM, as far as I know, still has a number of negots available. Interestingly enough, something else that has become available through AIM, and I wanted to mention this today too. AIM surplus, their numbers 888-748-5252, 888-748-5252, 888-748-5252, Romanian SKS's 7.62x39 car beams, they're calling them rifles, they're not the car beams. Model 56 SKS, some automatic rifles, manufactured by Rene and Cougher factory from 56 to 62. These apparently are the last we will ever see. These nice rifles are in very good condition and have only very minor metal finish wear and some wood stock wear. Features a chrome line barrel and 10 round integral magazine. While supplies last, nope, they're not $56 a rifle, they're $300 a piece. So if you're looking for an SKS or adding SKS to your inventory, very well made rifles, got this. You throw me one of these, I'll be more than happy. I don't care about it having a large magazine so much as I want to make sure we'll have point at a hit accuracy over volume fire. This rifle can be kitted out quite nicely, but as it is out of the box, everything's self-contained. It's ready to go. Cleaning kits in the buttstock. It's There we go, 5.2.5.2, 8.8.8, 7.4.8, 5.2.5.2. I'm checking on the handguns here because as far as I know, cross your fingers, they still have them in theory. As long as I check here, and I have not done this today, they still have Romanian, or forgive me, Russian, Nagat revolvers, F3 Nagat, $94.95 a piece. ammunition is available and that makes this a pretty decent package in general if you're looking for something that's serviceable. So for a handgun, nothing under or about $100 that I could see laying around guys and looking through all the surplus companies, very little of anything out there in a pistol for less than $200, $209. So for $100 or less for a negat revolver, not bad. ammunition, comparably priced to the .40 caliber Smith & Wesson. When you look at the price, it's not that bad when you consider. So don't panic at the idea that, oh my goodness, the ammunition is about $20 a box, but that's a 50 round box, so that's not bad. And when you look at the prices of pretty much everything else out there, it's comparable. The big savings is in the initial price of the pistol, and the fact that there is ammunition available that is military ore, that is The previous part is made in Europe, botch or primed, reloadable, non-corrosive, etc. Makes for an excellent solution there. So there's one direction to go. And again, Centerfire Systems, I did not check this, so we probably for our guys in the chatroom, if you get a chance, go to Centerfire Systems. They were down there at the show, got a chance to put faces to the names. Don't always get a chance to do this. 99% of the time, I don't. Not really there for the weapons or for the material. I'm there to see the people, but I got a chance to actually talk to some of the people I needed to, which is cool. And everybody is, you know, staying up to speed with what they can find. But there are some of the things that Centerfire has. I would heavily recommend any of their kit. There are a lot of stuff out there for you guys that have the AKs where Centerfire has some nice little packages available. If you are looking for spare parts and kits to put your weapons up and online, there is an option. There is a direction to go there. Huge shipment of handguns. We're going to find out what all we got here. Huge shipment of handguns. OK, well, what do we have? That's not saying much. I'm not seeing a whole lot of anything that's jumping out of here. We'll see what we have. Anyway, mostly SIGs, mostly $800 apiece, and mostly out of the average person's price range. Glock, 34 semi-automatic competition model handgun, 90 millimeter for 500. Aww, $500 a piece, SIGS, all over $600, $700 a piece. So that's not exactly driving me any excitement there. Other options. There are a number of other 45s that are available, variations in the 1911 or other knockoffs in the SIGS. Well, if I'm going to spend that kind of money, I might as well buy a 1911. What the heck? I think that's your better choice. American Classic, 1911A1, Government Model, Semi-Digmatic Handgun, 45 ACP, $368. So there you go. That's more in your pocket price range, at least realistically. There's some other built up variations. My personal attitude, those Government Model 1911s, you can beat the snot out of them and then still use the weapon as it was intended. So it's in fact, me even having to beat the snot out of somebody with it is using it as intended. So, let's not be discouraged by that idea. That was the concept, guys. Anyway, the only other place, and I did want to check this. Forgive me, I'm going to do one more. So, I'll forget that. Anyway, one more thing that I wanted to check. Another thing that we noticed is, even in the Magots, they're starting to thin out. As you know, we expected this. I mean, come on guys, the surplus World War II is only going to last so long. This is the last of the cold or inventory that's coming out there in one form or another. One thing is that if you run into or you find a watering hole where they have your favorite rifles stacked up, make a point of if you're going to be doing your 510 program, do what you can to collect what you can now and don't slow down. because we only have so much time in the schedule the way it's looking before things go to heck in a hand cart. And I don't want to see anybody caught with their rear end hanging in the breeze, as they say. A number of different options on the SKS out there, too. I know a lot of people were asking this weekend about finding SKS's. There are the Grenadier model, Yugoslavians, those are out there in force. Eames Surplus has the standard Romanian, apparently the only company I've seen so far that has that in stock again. There are a number of Nagats and the AK-74s. Another thing we did notice, lots of mags, but the 74 rifles, everybody's grabbing them and dragging them home, so they're not out there in force to just pick up. If you find them, check to see if they're in stock, just because they say they have them. It doesn't mean that they have them. That's something I got into a conversation about as well. What's happening is with the guys that we've actually been talking about with off the air that are with these companies is that you guys have been responding and pretty well cleaning out whole categories of arms guys in a matter of two or three days. So congratulations. I want to say thank you. I appreciate the confidence because people are making decisions based upon what we're talking about. But I will prepare you for the fact that it's a veneer. There's only so much out there. It appears that there's a lot of selection again. Yeah, but it's all shallow with the exception of one or two weapons. And we're going to have to engineer our purchasing accordingly. Just like when we, you know, three years ago, when I got back up and online here, one of the things I pointed out was a Sega shotgun, which already was a good choice, and many years ago we got guys into the Sagas, and nobody even had a clue that the Sega 12-gauge shotguns and the AK-Action were out there in uniform. They were cheap cheap because they didn't really hit off well. They're not cheap anymore but they're still reasonably priced and they're an excellent weapons system guys. As everybody has found out it's like man these things are top of the line. Now for a lot of you that took advantage two and three years ago what we were talking about we said go out there and buy them while you can. They're not going to be cheap after the second wave. You know after when the second wave comes in well sure enough we were right. Everybody has picked up on the bandwagon there. The cool thing is that other people have picked up on Sega also and we now have Sega 12 gauge drums. for the Sega's in 12. I don't know if the 20's are out yet. I was told there would be some 20's available. But this gives you either a 12 round or a 20 round drum for the Sega shotgun. Now that's some fire power. That means it's a nice suppression weapon especially or you know rear guard defense. Guys falling back. Two guys with Sega 12 gauges with 20 rounders. You're dumping rounds down a corridor. I hate to tell you, nobody coming down that corridor as long as you guys just progressively alternate and continue to pull the trigger. 40 rounds worth of double out buck or number 4 buck or 4 buck in BB. Oh yeah, that's kind of messy. Going down the range, patterning everywhere, someone's going to get hit. So nobody wants to usually lift their head up to find out what's the happen end. And if you do hit them, the kinetic energy strike with that many 22 caliber or BB shot, you know, 17 caliber BB shot rounds is devastating. And followed up by two, three, or four rounds simultaneously. Pat, pat, pat, pat. Yeah, well, that's going to pretty well stop somebody in their tracks no matter who the hell they are. Anyway, the Sega's are out there in force. There were a few at the show. Again, quite a few of those. People were actually picking those up, carrying them away. I noticed that. By the end of Saturday, a lot of those were already gone. Again, people were looking for very specific things when they showed up at Nob Creek this weekend. They had a very specific shopping list. They went through and took care of the shopping list. They went on to watch the programming. Wait until the last minute to carry everything out because you don't want to drag a couple cases or several cases of ammunition around while you're trying to enjoy the gun show or watch the range fire. So that was one of the other things that kind of changed the dynamics of how people were purchasing. Again, middle of the show attendance was down a little bit. But as the day progressed towards the evening shoot on Saturday, everything kicked right in. I think a lot of people were enjoying the beach. They were going last gasp if you're going to go out and go swimming, or if you're going to go out and enjoy some really nice weather on the lake or with the family outside. It truly was a holiday weekend because today is technically a holiday Columbus Day and all of that, you know, a bank or holiday thing. and everybody was taking advantage of this weekend fully I think. So a lot of people on the road didn't see any lightness in traffic, just reverse. And a lot of other activities taking place around Kaddab Creek as we expect. Country music event going on just east of and another event going on just west of Kaddab Creek. So that kind of built up traffic even late at night when everybody was leaving. Other things, a lot of questions about night vision as I said and hopefully Don answered those questions before he left. But remember you can get ahold of him later on this evening or during the programs you can ask questions. It's not a problem. In fact, we would enjoy people calling in when Don's here and asking about night vision because that's his specialty. I trust Don with regard to his working knowledge of night vision. He has been doing this for a long time. He dealt with the companies directly. Whenever he gets into a subject, he immerses himself in it. He is very competent. I have great confidence in him. So, take the time and connect with him. Also, if you would like to get ahold of copies, the three night vision discs combined, $30.00. It's a special package. If you can, this is a donation to help keep Liberty Tree Radio's lights on. Make sure we have computers hooked up. Still have bills to take care of. In the process, we get a working set of copies of The how to use night vision from the basics with a tutorial done by Don, that's disc one. And then also the actual field use of the night vision technology. The only thing we ask is we expect you to copy these, but please copy at the same rate, at the same level and quality as you received them. The reason is we don't want them all compressed into one disc, you would lose some of the quality of the night vision footage. What you're getting is exactly as you would see it out of first, second, and third generation. None of this Hollywood gimmicking where you have a daylight picture and you use tinted green. That's not what we did. Those images that you see are all through actual pieces of night vision as you would observe them. Don has done everything he can to explain the processes and also to give you recommendations. Some of the basic rules include, hey, remember, don't point your night vision at a fire. It's a bad, bad way to start eating up hours and burning up filament, the element of the night vision system. So don't do that. But there are many, many other subjects covered. To the first dimension, a few minutes I have here. If you would like a copy of the three-disc set, Make a check or money or it will be Nancy. Last name K-O-E-R-N-K-E. Nancy. Last name K-O-E-R-N-K-E. And then put that in an envelope with your address printed. It can be an address label like you use for return address. You can make one up off the computer or print on a piece of white paper. the address that you want the disks sent to. I'm going to turn right around and tape that, glue it and tape it. I'm very, very paranoid about that. I want to make sure it doesn't get lost at the post office. So we glue it and tape it right to the envelope and wherever you wrote there is where it's going. So, put that address label in the envelope along with the checker money order or FRNs for $30. If you're going to do checker money order, make it up to Nancy, last name K-O-E-R-N-K-E. Put all that in an envelope and send it to PBN PO Box, 194 Dexter, Michigan 48130. Again, that's PBN. PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan 48130. Drop that in the mail as soon as we get it. We'll turn right around. In fact, I've got envelopes that are already packed up. We're a little ahead, not much, but a little ahead on the DVDs so that we can move them out that much faster. That was intentional. It means we've been pressing the operations here and Ethan's been doing a great job. But if you need a copy or a set for classroom instruction especially that's perfect, hey grab a bunch of old analog televisions, grab yourself a DVD player and VHS player, plug them in, make up a media classroom. These people are throwing out these TVs, people they're freebies. You don't have to use your equipment, grab the stuff that people are getting rid of especially since more and more of these big screen older televisions are showing up and they're not that heavy. So you've got two, three, or four televisions set up. You slave them to the one box. And you hit play. And you have Don Betcher on talking in four different locations simultaneously. Everybody can see what's going on. Everybody's able to observe nicely. And you guys can make it a very casual environment. You can also segment the programming, because it is in chapter format, chapter sections. You can actually stop it. Put it on hold, come back later on, start where you left off, and then continue the class. You don't have to just have everybody sit until they are crossing their legs and wondering when the bathroom break is. We don't want that to happen. You want people to be able to absorb what they're looking at. And if somebody wants to review something, you're able to take it back through to that point and review it. That's the advantage. But please, the only thing we expected to copy, we just asked you, copy it as you got it. That means it's going to take three disks to get the job done. Again, PBN, PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan 48130, 3 disks, $30. That's of course postage paid. It's a donation. You'll get a gift. You'll get the 3 disks as a gift. If you want to donate more, please. That would be fantastic. That's a great way to help out the network. We'll do our part to make sure we get everything to you as quickly as we can. You're happy, we're happy. If you're going to be teaching, take the time to use this, review it, and then integrate it into your classroom block, especially if you're doing tack lanes and overlapping into night operations. If you're going to be doing a class on human, natural night vision, You can enhance that class with additional instruction to understand conventional night vision technologies and how they work. And be creative. Start asking the guys to come up with solutions to deal with certain problems when it comes to observation and using the technology. Be creative. This is more important than anything else out there that we come up with ideas. We've got a whole lot of people in the brain trust. Let's make sure that they all got the brain gear going. I want to hear some grinding. Also, we can use some feedback too. We'll talk more about that. We've got down upon the air tomorrow. We'll give out the numbers. And I'd like if you could have you call in, say hi. If you've already got the night vision DVDs and you've had a chance to watch them, hey, talk to Don and give him any recommendations or, again, compliment it. It won't hurt. If there's something that you see, you think it worked well, we need to know. If there's something that maybe you have a question about, guess what? We tweak the system accordingly by knowing what it is that people are either missing or what they understand from the technology we put together, from the classroom instruction we have already assembled. We have the ability to edit. We have the ability to also do supplemental disks, which is what we're probably going to be doing because there's some new ideas that have come in that we're going to, first of all, experiment with. And then we're going to show unit operations and troop unit motion utilizing overlapping technologies, both IR, first generation, second generation, and third generation, in night vision. So that's something coming up. It's going to be a lot of work. It's already happening. We have some of it in the can. But we are going to have to do some additional editing and then work out the rest of the programming. Another quick thing before I go, a lot of you guys have AKs, but you didn't get a cleaning rod and you don't know where to get them, the correct cleaning rod for the AK. Classic arms, 704-6840650, 704-6840650, they're one of the few places across the whole of the country, apparently they got all the cleaning rods you were supposed to have in your rifle. They do have AK-47 cleaning rods, so you want to give them a call, see if they have something to work with the SKS, if you don't have one for that. Make sure that your rifles are kitted out completely. Why? Well, you're going to lose it possibly down the road, but it's awful handy to have that cleaning rod in every once in a while. Example, you got a piece of brass stuck in there, you don't have a broken shell extractor, a broken case extractor, guess what? That cleaning rod can be used to help cap that out. There's a couple different techniques that are used. Just be careful, we don't want to damage the rod. But just a little extra force from inside rather than you trying to pry with a knife and lop a hand open. You know what I mean. Let's do it right and do it with other technologies that are part of the integrated system so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. Now there are vokinshell extractors out there too, vokinshell case extractor. They used to come with the SKS's and the AK's. Well, that's back in the day when China thought they had to offer everything that was supposed to be there. Most everybody else hasn't been doing that. So, you want to look around for the different companies to see who has those. Classic may have them on the shelf. They did, but I don't know what they have left. And again, one more time in that number. We're going to hear the music here any minute now. 704-684-0650. We are at the top of the hour. We've got Dutch Jones coming up right behind us. You've got more live information on Liberty Tree Radio. Don't turn this off. Don't shut us off. 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