Live 365. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. And this is the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors, so their children can be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores, and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is? Distill the land of the evening ladies and gentlemen. This is the evening intelligence report. I'm mark clunky and I'm Donald betcher one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, central, west, southeast, and north. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com, PBN.4MG.com, and we are live 365, then go to Liberty Tree Radio, WorldSwan AM and FM Micro stations, CB Bay stations, and Ultra Net technologies both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska. We're on the Allmark Network on the eastern seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida, from the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed towards Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma. Big jump in Nebraska. Oh my goodness. The third of Wyoming, then over to Iowa and across there, over the Mississippi too, the Golden Spike Project. Across in the middle of the, well, from the Midwest bottom all the way around, a big old lazy L or J, towards Pennsylvania, New York, and other places, tumors to mention, in between. There will be a meeting at the restaurant on Sunday, a meeting at the restaurant on Sunday, a meeting at the restaurant on Sunday. All basic rules apply. And there will be no changes. This is a fixed date. It is a critical meeting. Everyone must attend. Don, today's date is? Mark, it is the 29th day of September. Year of our 2000 day. Again, 29 September, October 10th. And that's the stripe down the middle of the week, you guys. So geez, you here. Magazine is in the well. It sounds to me like we can offer equal opportunity course as expected. Well, you know, I've been perusing while we've been off the air and I've been kind of going over the books here to see what I could find in the way of something that might be useful from certain companies. And even today, there are multiple page ads for like JG sales. JNG is actually what it is, JNG sales. But when you go to their website, which kind of you know is complete update like what do we have right now? Guys, there just isn't that much out there, okay? And it's interesting you know selection of course like in certain types of weapons there's you could pay price you want for a 1911 like that one you just heard that Don you know the action Don worked low-end the high-end and everything in between Good thing is a lot of 45s out there now in surplus or for that matter in will save you service weapons from police departments nothing you'll find out there most of probably know the other part about what's changing that market in either a they're being paid to destroy or rent a revolution companies are buying the stuff up because you've got all these departments overseas that want more guns and they'll take american anything or they'll take anything from america because we don't wear it out we typically just you know find that one next gimmick to buy and or from yet we have a couple Oh, I thought that one was... Yeah. So then what happens, it used to be those would be offered to the general public here first, but like everything else, it's being run out of the country just about as quick as it's available. There's a bit of an issue there with regard to what's on hand. What is it that we can find that's useful that would be tolerable, price-wise? Most of the 22 knockoffs, and there's a whole bunch of them. There's 45 knockoffs in 22, MP5s in 22, which are good trainers. I will not argue with you. You know I've mentioned this before. The 22 is an excellent choice for training to get a guy out on the range to actually use a weapon for a period of time that otherwise he might not be able to fire it because he can't afford to pull the trigger. But you're looking at three, four, and $500 for these 22 knockoffs. $270 for the pistol is approximately plus or minus $10 give or take and about $350 to $400 up to $600 for a .22 knockoff and the other weapons. Now high and low range varies depending on what it is you're looking at. There's an MP5 knockoff AK-47 AR-15 M4 etc. So there are some really cool weapons that are mimicked out there, which is especially desirable since when you're pulling them off the corpses of the enemy, you won't be totally unfamiliar with them and you've got some range time with the sight picture, which is really nice to have to understand how the weapon works. But beyond that, I've been looking to see what we could find for you. I mean, Kel-Tec 32 ACP pocket pistols or 380 Auto, $260 a piece. Now nice little you know DA type, you know backup gun. I guess you go a kel-tech PLR-16 5 5 6 NATO long-range pistol in other words, it looks like a Star Wars blaster. It's basically a hacked down SU-16 is what it comes down. It's called a PLR. Yeah takes a 223 mag Basically, it's a broom handle on steroids, okay, in 223. Neat little toy, be cool for like a vehicle operator or somebody who's gonna get out of something, spray, pray, and run. If you're trying to get out of something, okay, but there are other problems when it comes to actually engaging targets. You have taken a consideration. The other thing is affordability. You know what, I'm telling you what really gets me, Don, I have gone everywhere looking for some decent quantities in any kind of service revolver. With the exception of two directions to go, the Center Fire System and a couple of other companies are carrying these K-Frame Model 10 knockoffs made in the Philippines with a 2-inch barrel or a 4-inch barrel. I take the 4-inch. Get a little extra energy out of that thing. But the other is the... the uh... they got revolvers that's it and they're not in any great supply they're not going to last the things are going to just you guys are already the mop i know that to the talk to two other companies today what we're out about and call them on the move uh... it turns out that you guys are taking a dent out of at least two of those companies and bought fifty percent of the inventory in the last couple days as we mentioned which is cool because that means that you know we want to walk the shelf in your hand that's what i want to see happen there's nothing on the horizon to replace those now there are some tokarev pistols that came in two hundred dollars instead of seventy nine or eighty nine or hundred dollars apiece so they've doubled in price almost tripled in price putting a look at it and i'm not investing all my goodness you know i'd never expected this this is all but won't go back to something you know i'm saying more and more we told you so now they're been near isn't going to last uh... number one weapons are being blocked from coming into the country number one 2. Available Liberty Arms are being scarfed up as quick as they can be found by people. They're not getting to the gun shows hardly at all. Some people are walking in with stuff, but they also typically know what the value of the thing is. So don't be surprised at the dickering and debating and arguing that's going to go on there, and the lack of pliability on the part of the person typically selling the weapon. That should be expected because people know what's going on. They're not ignorant of what's actually transpiring. The one issue here too is, and part of this is a burp that goes back a couple years ago when the UN paid to have weapons destroyed in Eastern Europe, etc., and other places where there were a lot of pristine firearms in excellent condition that would have been absorbed into the market and not put any great debt in the economy, as far as hurting the American firearms industry. Now, barring the fact you're going to buy brand new, which you know we have addressed, uh... if you've got a little bit of money and you got five people outfit or you're looking at strategic reserve weapons all these firearms are just fine for strategic reserve if they're cheaper and you're not going to cry about losing them you're not going to cry about not being able to fire them all at the same time big deal but when the time comes you have the ability to hand out and build up a fire team or a squad that the five ten program we've mentioned Well, the nagat is still the king right now. As the K98 was 10 years ago, the moison nagat is now the king of the inexpensive bolt-action rifle category. And it's a good serviceable rifle. It's comparable to the 98 in terms of, you know, reliability, etc. But when they're gone, they're gone too. So if you're going to be looking at those, make up a schedule and continue to purchase them until you have what you want. And then make sure you get all the accoutrements and goodies you can find that are off the shelf right now. Now, I'm not worrying too much about AR-15s. There are so many gobbledygook companies, not just countries, but companies, making the AR-15 Dom that I don't think we have to worry about parts of the AR-15M16 family for the next century or so. 1911. In fact, the other thing that's happening is when you have only one of something in the industry, how much can you really talk up about it? That's the only problem with what's going on right now. In the American industry, lots of air-15 stuff, but it's to the point now where it's like, and again consider this, if they were to cut off the industry, there's a couple of directions I've gone with years ago and I got this argument and one of them is already out of business. Years ago, there were a bunch of these people, when the Quintinistas were in power, they started sucking up to the police state. And I commented, I said, oh, yes, he got all this spiffy little riot police kicking in doors and little t-shirts with little black uniform thugs kicking in this door and getting ready to shoot a civilian in his home there. Because after all, they're a pair of military if they're in those little spiffy black uniforms. and you're in favor of restricting everybody selling and buying and everybody being able to buy from you and they're all yeah i go along with that completely well how many guns do you think those little cop friends you have of all twenty of them or fifty or seventy that might be your shop how long do you think they're going to keep you in business when they have everything they want and they can steal it off everybody else's table If they can take it at gunpoint, why do you think they're going to be selecting and buying and selling and trading amongst themselves what they've stolen? Which is number one. Number two is how much can they buy off the shelf before they've got? I mean, they don't need, they're not going to want two, three, or four of. And whatever else they don't have, I mean, short of the goodies or trinkets or whatever the latest fad is, the fads are going to die out because nobody else is interested. There's nobody running out there buying, ooh, I need the latest police state magazine so I can look at something I can't own. It's like, who cares? Eventually, what really frustrates the characters that have stolen all the stuff is that they've also created a disinterest on the part of the population. So all the little goodies and treasures that they said were worth so much also are devalued because there isn't anybody who's going to have any working knowledge or they already know they can't own it anyway. And if they do try to own it, well, who's got it? The police state. If you try to get from the police state, they're going to betray you. So lo and behold, several of these characters that did the, oh, I'm only going to deal with the police state, they're out of business now, they're gone. Not just one, but actually four that I can think of right off the bat, because they really started to, mmm, I'm special, you're not. And eventually the customers they had were all running off all of the regular people, because they were all just the special guys in the special black uniforms. And eventually, meh. And you know what, Don? I bought I think half of the ammunition inventory from the one for about one quarter of the price that he had in the fort on the shelf because nobody would come in to buy the stuff. Think about that guy. Wow. You see how that works? And at the end I did one thing and I did an intention. I said, you know, remember what I said? I told you so. And we're full circle on this too. I think we got, who do we have in the background there? I think we do. I thought I heard it from you. Maybe just a patient listener. That's okay. Well, Dom, anyway, just a case in point on that, guys, because it's something that in the long run, a lot of these people don't want to look to see what's on the end of their nose there. They won't look past their, you know, or they'll cut off their nose despite their own face, and they're not realizing until after it's later, like, oh, yeah, well, there's a reason. You held the knife, and you sawed the knife, not a sharp one, Dom, just turned into itself. Like somebody on the cover of it. Yep. Well, Again, the other element here that needs to be tied into this is, and this is what we're looking at right now, is the inventory is a veneer. While there are lumps of stuff, if there is any interest at all that accelerates at this time, and right now it's still steady, but if it accelerates again, as we've already seen, and it's most likely that it will, then they'll have to shut it off. Because I don't believe that they're actually going to let a second wave out like we saw a year and a half, two years ago. As it is, uh... this created a whole math problem for mama one hand we directly affected the economy down we actually constituted that we actually went away resuscitated the economy because it was the only up drop swing market the only ups week industry was weapons sales and ammunition how many times is the arm like stock five years yeah and we can have our we can have our friend up on the air and he'll tell you flat out Well, that said, that says something for the company itself. Anyway, and as we know, they've been diversified and gone to so many other projects too now because they've actually been able to afford to commit the resources and time to it, which is interesting. I heard another beep. Who do we have? You have mole freedom. Hey, jump in there, sir. Breathing for the moment. They may not let that last much longer, but we'll keep doing while we can. Okay. I, Liberty Arms, is a 22 rifle that would reliably shoot 60 grain sonic night vision. I have a, you take the four end off and you unscrew the one screw in front barrel just comes right off. Work on 60 grain loads because it simply needs like a one and eight or one and nine twist. With that wheel it makes a barrel. Well, are you talking about using that gun or would you prefer to switch to another weapon? it's a great guy right in the only thing about the browning swell again the barrels are not going to be cheap but uh... i'm i'm not sure the same company and uh... the one of the companies used to be very notorious for being able to get spare barrels was uh... all out of ten a secret matter of their format i know that they change hands they're not in business now because i try to call them and i get the information service for unfortunately century international arms but uh... SACO might be an option on that one to find another barrel for that browning. Now I know that Gun Parts Company, which is old number of carms, they do carry browning barrels. They have many different browning and Remington barrels in stock. What age, what era, what length, you'll have to call to find out what they have available. But they're notorious for having the odd barrels out both with unique twists are configured for certain special projects or built for a certain contract with a company or a US government to deal with the destruction. And they picked up the lot. Usually what these companies do like Sarcos is they'll buy the whole block and then sell it piecemeal as they go. Whatever is there, they'll grab it all. So those are the two best choices. Sarcos would be one. And then Gun Parts Company. And I'm looking... You have to slide me in the head here. Normally I have that right at my fingertips but I know I moved it because I was going through and looking at something here earlier trying to find another company. Go ahead while we're doing that Don, you can get a nice one. There is a guy whose father shot the Slope 22 on record and it hasn't been beat since like 19 something maybe 1967. I'm talking about Rock McMillan and his father, Gale. Yep, he does. He custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any custom, any If you want to build something that everything you want it to do, there's one option. If you want to go over to 8-vision, you move up to at least a picture of what you want to do, at least a second generation scope. First generation is going to be good, but it will limit your around the clock and through the month. A lot of times on this hour between first and second generation, if you're working, here's another thing. more slightly hit right now the cb cap actually for a lot of the work to be amazed with cb cap will do cb cap so by c c i have been around for a long time uh... they were actually addressed in the book uh... unintended consequences if you remember that text it's mitts of bible it's a big book actually three books and one unintended consequences He actually discusses the potential based on, again, experience of the CB cap used as a varmint neutralizer, especially the two-legged kind of varmints that might be kind of busting them from one direction and how they can be dealt with in a certain way. In this case, one of the considerations, if you're without spending that much money, now there's a number of different barrel companies that will produce any barrel you want. As long as you don't look for and personally I wouldn't worry about pretty much twenty two i'd paint it to be quite honest this barrel is a replacement barrel for your existing system to shave money don't worry about finishing with you whatever you want to finish it is that what you do by it unfinished spec the barrel length to match the optimum performance for the amount of powder available in the charge and the other option is have the barrel threaded Now the reason I say that is simply goes, oh, I think I'm quieting the weapon in other ways. Well, that could be an option. But I'm more interested in the idea that habit threaded to the standard 223 M16 AR-15 family of rifles, and you can incorporate flash hiders and other things to protect the crown of the barrel initially. But it also makes available or provides an option for future issues, not now. Don't do this now. You don't need to. for acquiring the weapon down the road. But in the initial phase, there are some beautiful flash hiders that are being produced. In fact, the variations are so numerous they can't even be counted right now because every company is making three, four, five of their own. Plus they're buying other companies that are specializing in flash hider blanks and then building whatever they want to build. The interesting thing about this is if you were to go, certainly with a bull barrel, I don't see any reason for striding or lightening the barrel, I mean that's an option, but first of all it's a 22. How much are you carrying in a bull barrel to begin with? You know what I mean? You're not carrying that much weight. That's the first thing everybody tries to do, we'll shave it down or you'll, you know, you'll, you'll, you know, do the recessed milling of the barrel, length of the barrel to create, you know, ventilation. Well, you're not going to heat the barrel up, so that's not an issue. I'd rather have more meat around that barrel generally because the 22 with the harmonic As the bullet moves through it and the barrel responds, it's going to be negligible with a, first of all, minimal amount of energy, subsonic in nature. The other consideration is what little flash there may be. If you calibrate, depending upon the average type of round you're using, for instance, you're talking about a 40 grain, which could also go down to a CB cap on that one. or all the way up to 60 grain which could be an Eli, it could be one of the, like you said, the Aquila, subsonic quiet rounds. Actually, you know what, they used to be just standard velocity. That's really what we need to remember is that most anything you see that right now is called subsonic originally was standard velocity ammunition, which was almost always subsonic. So if you choose the subsonic for reduced report right off the bat, and you don't have to worry about that hypersonic crack, Pretty much coming out of the muzzle without any modifications, which I wouldn't worry about unless you're really, really, you know, run into a unique scenario. You shouldn't have any physical report short of something so small in nature that if timed with background wind and or other activities, it would be impossible to identify. The other consideration is the amount of spent slash unburned powder that may reach the muzzle. And there again with the .22 it's going to be so negligible as to be almost impossible to identify. If the barrel is properly calibrated, is properly timed in length to the average round you're using, there will be no muzzle flash. And this is something we experimented with years and years. It's been 30 years since we played in this area. But the balance is, back in the day, rather than using the rifle or using the Browning, Glenfield bolt actions were readily available. Plus the US military Remingtons and the US military Winchester marksman's rifles that were also cadet rifles from World War II came out in good quantity. The Model 52, as I recall, was one of the most dominant ones. And that weapon, which is actually a full-size adult rifle, with CB caps there is no report and there is no muzzle flash. There's nothing to see. The barrel is standard length, I think it's 20 inches, 22 inches, it comes to mind, 22-22. And the attack driver to begin with, the other nice thing is it's set up so that it can take a picatinny rail Initially, it was using a number of different type of sight systems, but many of those were already drilled and tapped for scopes. So the cool thing is you can throw a picatinny rail on there, and then that night vision scope down is talking about will slide right onto that rifle. Yep. Imagine you guys are gun writers in the guns and ammo, or in a bolt that you try for. Single hitting the pad, the link to it, it comes with an 18-inch bull barrel, and it's got a recessed car. I'm not going to get messed up very easily. I'm not really going to deal with the length of the barrel because if I mostly wanted it for such a kind of needle-long barrel, and if I was going to set this up for night operations, and first generation is actually beyond my budget, trying to see what it would take to get into an entry-level night vision rifle scope. I was going to say, let me give you another idea here. And Don, remember we researched this years ago, one of the proposals was an area fire type weapon. But now we can look at it almost like what we see with red dot today. What were you expecting as an engagement range? 50 to 75 yards max. Okay, now you're opening it up a little bit, but still, one of the things to consider is adapting a first generation, I know this is all crude, but it's something that actually could be worked out. uh... a first-generation scope of the type that don offered here just a short time ago which has been pretty good optics be quite honest it it's way above what was being offered say fifteen twenty years ago uh... for the same price and we forgot the same price uh... that could be adapted with a set of maln as the an area fire or like an approximate will see approximation to the throwing out do it you can come up with a simple set of crosshairs or over cap that would allow you to put a red dot in the center of the optics. Then you adjust the optics accordingly and adjust the base of the fixture so that you are centered at a particular range. Now it wouldn't have a whole lot of variance. In fact, again, you set your range 50 yards. And then you could even include gradients, kind of like what you see on some of the Russian crosshair systems, not this slope type, but they're crosshair north to south, 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock. And these would be on the overcap. This would rest on the first generation night device. and allow you to get pretty good once you test with the weapon, once you're experimenting with it, you know what its point of impact is, you can adjust your fixtures accordingly. It would not be micro-adjustable, it's not going to be resetable. The night vision device itself is, again, giving you the best it can in first generation. But we did this with an experiment with the SKS years ago and came up with a pretty successful design. We went one step farther and actually just took a first generation night device and posted a simple set of optics with it, a scope system. And Dom, we actually came up with a pretty good solution in that direction, didn't we? Oh yeah. There are a number of ways to do this, you guys. If you have like a, you know, the red dot, think about hanging a piece of night vision in front of that. Yeah. In front of. Now that's going to put some wash on your face. You're not going to have the boot right up to your eyes. So that there's some pluses and minuses. with that setup. or beyond that it starts to cut down what comes in. A number of ways to get to shorten the length to consider this. Let's look at something we did years ago is you take the earlier AR, they're lightweight, they're Chycom knockoffs. So there's your savings, there's a savings right there. You're talking pennies for the rear scope. Your jump tube, well first of all you can use a Russian eyepiece for the back. You can use a rubber boot off of the front. There are several of these that are made right now that are for the front and for the, or for the back. Mostly for the front actually, Chris, sun shroud. That would wrap and give you the jump to seal up the optics from the front to the back of the night vision device This would all fit on a standard picatinny rail if done properly you may have to go with an extended picatinny rail But my god you can go to air 15 catalogs and find any size picatinny rail as your arm Yeah, what size do you want now? Now, the only thing I can see with this, although the Air 15 scope will be lightweight, and it would be very, very lightweight, the night vision device, what was the weight on that scope? The one you just offered that you sold out of? A pound and a half to two pounds. So in reality, the optics, they're not going to be that top heavy. The existing barrel would be the issue if you're going to go with it, or if you trade out the barrel, that will be the big consideration. You could repackage this thing for a very reasonable price or package it up and it would not be that awkward and it would not be that expensive. When you think that the first troops were provided with, we thought, was a PBS2. Guys, one of the nicknames completely rebuilt and put different tube systems. You could pay a lot of money for one of those. Because a PBS2, even with the little dinky, mercury battery pack, on top of your AR and you basically... Which way is six and a half hours? Double weight of the gun. Right back after what I said before, you start adding more gimmicks and do hickies and you end up back in the MBR, Main Battle Rifle Weight. Everybody complained about carrying a 9 pound rifle. Then they put 9 pounds worth of junk on the rifle that weighed 7 pounds and now you get a 16 pound rifle. Think about it. Nobody wants to discuss that. With this 22 package, the other consideration is a folding, you know, you can get aftermarket in a number of different directions. Aftermarket, folding bipod, put it up underneath on the stock. Free float the barrel if it isn't already free floated, not a big deal there because of the design although it may be difficult depending on how that barrel is connected to really completely free float it. But you can eliminate a lot of the contact with the barrel which is going to eliminate any other types of influence with the action itself. I think you can press far past the 50 yard mark with this package. The general night vision scope using first generation low end Again, you have to calculate point of impact, you go with an overset, something that gives you a crosshair for limited approximation. That's crude, but that can be done. The next step is what we just discussed with a conventional scope of whatever, you know, ilk, in other words purely matter what you can spend. In an optics, let me give you an idea here. I was trying to buy a little time while I was trying to find that scope. The compact 4x20 AR-15 scope part number SCOAR12, this is an upper end model from Centerfire Systems, $40. Now you're looking at a 4x40 full size scope, 5 inch eye relief, $45.99. There are a number of different types of options. Red Dot, Green Dot, 30mm Scope, $40. So not having jumped on these, the Chycom Cheepy models, they used to be $6 and $7. I don't know if they're really out there. To be quite honest, as simple a scope as that is all that you would need. I would buy five scopes at $6, $7 a piece. And I doubt that your little CB cap or your sub-centre ground is going to even be felt by that scope. Oh yeah. There's another point to be made. You mentioned red dot and green dot scope. Now that's a daylight scope. Yes, exactly. And we talked about employing daylight scopes at night, in particular good, good glass that will gather, not amplify, gather a lot of light. You can get so dark you guys that you can't see your black reticle. And then you reach over there and you touch the or you turn the dial or you slide the switch and on comes your red reticle and man you can see there because you got a good scope still light enough that you can't see it with your eye but your scope pulls that much more light that man you can make out that target and you turn on the red and you see that oh man guy doing he's got a gun and it's pointed right at me well he he's looking at you with a piece of night vision and you draw attention to yourself with that he can look right down there's no As far as your opponent seeing that red dot. Now years ago I urged the company to a green dot and they did for a while Mark. And they offered it almost on every daylight scope that they hardly built daylight scopes. Hardly anybody bought it because I'm familiar with it. It was a new system and they thought it might, they might lose it against some green foliage or something. But it would be a great piece if you've got one out there. Don't get rid of that. That's a great piece to use at night. Why? because that green frequency is almost invisible. I think we've come up with a few solutions for your night vision issue. You would be keeping the price down. I know you can get the AR-15 knockoff scopes for less than $40. I know you can. So to do a test package, that would probably be your best choice. Straight tube, more than sufficient for a 22 at 50 to 100 yards. You could go with a short 5 or 6 inch tube with a 1 inch core tube for about $8 to $10 a piece. They don't have them through Cinderfire. Of course, maybe they're all gone. I don't know. I have not seen any announcement that they blocked those coming in. So there should be something in that range. If you were to go that way, I would buy, as I've said many times, three scopes right off the bat. All the same. If I can get a scope for about $8 to $10 to experiment with on a 22, buy three of them. Why? If you're satisfied with it right away, then lo and behold you have your two spare scopes as backups if something ever happens where you beat the snob or you run something into it. The night vision is going to be the big expense. Now, the nice thing about this is if my optics go bad on my scope, all I do is replace it for $10. If my cross-heirs or if I have a problem with the reticle with the night vision that's a rifle specific, a weaponsite system, it takes a little more to repair or replace cost-wise. On the other hand, what's the price right now, Don, for that first generation scope? Beyond the sale that you had. They've now, of course, they're offering that still, but you have a couple options for a first generation standard monocular like that. What's the price range? But you can still get that same tube in the MO2. You can get that. We can, I'll have 249 and that's including shipping. The three level piece as far as a big lefty, they have to be to the eye and think you little fit in your hand. That's not going to... MO, you still there? Okay, very good. One of the reasons I want to bring this, I want to ask this question. Is this set up and drilled for a scope already? Does it already have the, like say, caps and covers maybe or at least a recess screw, you know, into the... What I don't like about it... parent site that's all for okay that's good okay so we can buy with the but you could switch out the weaver to a standard picatinny uh... but we've a real would work but i would i would say you could actually switch it out probably without any complications your picatinny rail would cost about maybe four to six dollars your screws are going to be fifty cents to dollar apiece Whatever fixture bases you're going to use, the biggest thing is coming up with the adapter fixture for the night vision device. So you know it's $250 for the night vision device itself. I would say $11 for the scope. What, maybe another $10 tied into rubber, you know, the plastic and rubber, the eyepiece, whatever, because I would try to get this thing to tighten it up. You don't need to have, there's not really a reason for there to be backwash if you use a conventional optic scope for the rear, a daylight scope for the rear. Other than that, the bipod will be critical with any kind of sighting system if at all possible, simply because it allows for this to become an effective placement shooter and it will be a tack driver. By the time you're done it will effectively fire just as, it will be just as dominant at night as it would be during the day. It would have the same potential. The big consideration as you pointed out is going to be mating the barrel to the ammunition you want to use. Whether or not you're going to spend a lot on a custom barrel or if you're going to pick the ammunition that matches that barrel up and performs best. Don't forget, Eli ammunition. Eli has been doing competition ammunition for years and they do both sub-velocity, subsonic, forgive me, and hyper-velocity ammunition of varying degrees. A little more expensive in some ways, but net shooters have been using this stuff for years. And it's going to put the bullet right on top of the other every day. They build 22 ammunition as a primary interest, not as a secondary thought. Remington and Winchester and even CCI, 22 is like the bulk producer ammo of their industry. It's the way they make up their money. Cheapest powders, cheapest alloy composition for the bullet, there we go. And needless to say, simplest primer system possible. What you want to find is a company that goes, 22 is our industry, 22 is our business, 22 is what we make our money on. That will be the company that will perform best for you, first of all. And I'm not deriding everybody else, but oh my God, Mark said, by your life. I want to repeat this. When I bring this up, it's like it's varying degrees. If you threw me a brick of 22 Winchester ammo and a Glenfield tubular-fed 22, I will take it in a heartbeat and use it, you know what I mean? But there are varying degrees. And what we're talking about here on the air is a precision, quiet night weapon. uh... great for getting rid of those pesky pigeons when they finally roost where you can get them all in one week in the short run i'll keep the bull barrel it'll make the sixty-grain keyhole three different styles of eli ammunition not the right now you can pay what you want for eli exactly said you do what a flavor of the day what do you want to spend you know right and some of it like six fifty and some of it the local store the point is in the short run i'll leave the barrel as is it's a bull barrel too good. And why not set it up strictly for night use? Well you can. The only reason what we're doing is we're trying to come up with an inexpensive solution for your night vision scope. Exactly, but why even bother putting night vision in that? Oh no, because it's cheaper. You're looking at being able to... The advantage is there are two advantages to this. Number one, you're using this as a field weapon probably. If you, this is what I just, what I repeated earlier is a consideration. If I jar my optics, if I damage that rear scope, I'm only out $11. I can virtually reach into a baby poor man's Pelican case that I've got in my backpack, in my Mollie pack or my backpack or my gear, and I go, wow, look at that. I take the tool out, I take the back scope off, I nest it into the can, I take the replacement out, put it on the rifle i'm not out anytime i'll have to recite it that'll take a few rounds pretty much i'm already familiar with the optics all the parts are interchangeable so my turnaround time to bring the weapon back up and online is a big plus plus For $250 for a first generation night device that has nice optics by the way, Don gave an entire class on that with that system. I've got to say, everybody was impressed. They came back in going, whoa. That was to compare first generation, second generation, and Don, I think you had a third generation there too, didn't you? Not that thing. There was first and second. Okay, just first and second. First and second. First, they were very impressed with this particular system. But then they got a chance to see second generation go, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. While again. Yeah, while again. Just the best way to describe it. The reason I'm bringing this up is the Picatinny rail, like I said, going down through the prices, it's all less than $10 for most of the components. In fact, less than a dollar for many of the components. I guarantee you like the Picatinny rail. If you go to Centerfire Systems, you can buy three or four Picatinny rails, several different lengths, all for under $10. Like a whole lump of them. That gives you an experiment package. Now you can experiment with the length of the Picatinny rail. You can also experiment with placement of the scope and placement of the night vision device. There are just a number of different things that can be an option. You can go just night vision and like I said, one of the options here, since you're looking at a fixed range of about 50 yards, I'll put it this way. Once you know where the point of impact is and if you have a fixed crosshair without even gradient, You and I both know, and everybody listening that's ever shot a weapon for any period of time, is that you don't even use, I typically don't even use the secondary or auxiliary crosshairs. I'll simply place and then reset the gun accordingly based upon my experience with the point of impact up or down the center rail and bingo. If I caught them in the nose and I caught them in the nose again, but the next time I caught them just a little left side of the nose and guess what, it goes up in an austral and up into the little brain pan and plops down, I think I did my job. or the eyeball socket and down the optic nerve and it still hits the same part of the brain pan. Guess what? I did my job. So it's purely a matter of cost. That's what we're looking at. You know, like you were saying, the limit is money spent. How much can I spend? We've done this before. When the SKS's were $56, they were the optimal night vision weapon. Think about it. A 10-shot semi-automatic rifle with all military parts, a consistent weapon from rifle to rifle, with one of these trash Chinese rear fixtures that had the Picatinny rail on it all ready to go ready for weaver whatever you want to do you replace the dust cover mount that in place today we could extend that picatinny rail we wouldn't be worrying about using the stripper clip we're going to individually load rounds but taking that same optic system we built an SKS up for what a couple hundred dollars And it was night vision committed. That's all it does. Exactly what you're saying. That's why they had to stop bringing... I mean, think about it. They thought everybody was going to get jacked on this. We were all going to be charged $300 per rifle that they were going to be so expensive that we couldn't afford all the other goodies. When just the reverse happened, we were able to buy $56 SKS's. We could spend more money on the optics, especially the night vision. And at the time, not all the extra goodies were in place cheap. I mean, we had to shop around to find them in the past. Today, because of the very thing we're talking about, all these AR-15 knockoff companies, Picatinny rails are coming out your ears. I mean, if you can't find what you want, there's something wrong. Because if it isn't close, it's so easy to modify because they're aluminum mostly, or even Zytel nylon plastic, that you're not going to have any problem building what you need. You can elevate it, you can raise it, you can buy it already elevated. So we'll set off that receiver a little bit. You could offset it. It would depend upon your need depending upon the shooter. I just go simplest first. Because you want to look at this as an experimental package. You've already started the research. Picatinny rails, search centerfire systems, go through the other AR-15 companies. Your scope mounts, purely a matter of what you can buy cheap at the gun show or if you can find a monster deal. Some of them have even like three sets of scope mounts for a set dollar amount. For a weaver. You know, a weaver or a fixtures. So, there you go. The next step is scopes. Bosser scopes, Russian. They're cheap, and they're effing fancy to write home about, but you know what? For a 22, how are they going to beat this? Not at them with a CB cap or with a low-velocity round. Anything would work. Toilet paper tube. Well, hopefully it gave you some ideas. I appreciate the call. This is something a lot of other people have been asking about, and we kind of got it out on the air. That's good. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate your service. Now, keep your closing thoughts. The guys who went into the field with PVS2s and PVS4s, that when they're reticle, remove that reticle and with a heavy string. Not and not. A heavy string across the front tape. It makes it easier to adjust point of impact. Little hint there you guys. That's the cheapest, easiest way. Real quick guys, before we go, one last thing here. Don, grab your pen by the way too. 800-883-0300. 1-800-883-0300. Got that number guys? 1-800-883-0300. This is Atlantic Cutlery. Guys, page 32 of the latest catalog. Napoles, Gajendra Martini Henry rifles. Now these are the ones they grab from overseas out of the arsenal. These are untouched. They haven't been cleaned up. They haven't been graded. They haven't been fixed. The base price is $189.95 as is no FFL. However, 20% off right now means that that rifle is running about $150 each with no paperwork and you play with it. That's in 450 dap 0.577 Martini Henry caliber guys. Now you know what that means? That's a single shot center fire rifle that in the same vein as what we were just talking about with that .22. You load that Martini Henry 577 using a brass case using a standard primer, red dot, 21 grains and a 500 grain projectile. There will be less noise out of the muzzle of that rifle than that .22 we've been talking about for the last 40 minutes. There will be no... And more thump. 500 grain bullet going down range. The most important is there's a whole bunch of these things. You need to get the catalog right away. I gave you the number one more time. 1-800-883-0300. All of this stuff from the Napoleese armories. including, by the way, some cap and ball rifles that are leftovers, as little as about $100 apiece, that are tired, but if you've got an interesting set of tools in the shop, these would be worth checking out. Snyder breech-loading rifles, and of course the Martini Henry, these are drop actions, guys. This is a cartridge gun. Be creative, think what you can do with it, okay? Plus there are many others available Don, many many others. Oh, Martini Henry 4570 with, oh the 1878 infantry rifles with BAN-F. Short lever types. Okay, worth a doubt, God bless the Republic. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. But we are on the mark. And forgive me, last minute here, 1-800-883-0300, it's Atlantic Coupery, 20% off on all the items from page 30 to 36. Guys, that's all of the no FSL firearms. You're looking at a pretty good price for some interesting project bench work. Thank you, Don. Thank you, Mark. Got a question? Oh, and by the way, we have... That's right. That's coming up right behind you, so stay tuned. More live LPR. He said one of the most difficult things is to choose one particular message because you don't really know where everyone is on this particular subject. I have a series back there where we are and how we got here which is about 14 tapes dealing with 1830 right on up and then making applications at present time. Plus numerous numerous messages like on men of Stonewall Jackson general Richard Stoddard you'll D Joe Sam Davis and just tremendous men of character and godliness But today I think I want to share a message with you Which basically will really time with the theme of what has been going on? The message is simply entitled who were the rebels and by the time I get to the end of the message I might change the title and you'll see what I mean Look, if you would, in your Bibles to 1 Samuel chapter 12. 1 Samuel chapter 12. We're going to read verses 14 and 15, and then verses 24 and 25. 1 Samuel chapter 12, beginning there with verse 14. If you will fear the Lord and serve Him and obey His voice, and not rebel against the commandment of the Lord, then shall both you and also the King that reigneth over you continue following the Lord your God. But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord, but rebel against the commandment of the Lord, then shall the hand of the Lord be against you as it was against your father. Now skip down to verse 24. Only fear the Lord and serve Him in truth with all your heart, For consider how great things he has done for you. But if you shall still do wickedly, you shall be consumed both you and your king. Now, usually when I talk about the war, I even refer to it, either refer to it as the War of Northern Aggression, which it was, or Lincoln's War Against All Christian States, which it was. It certainly was not a civil war by any stretch of the imagination, but the official history of the War of Northern Aggression is entitled, The War rebellion. In fact, there have been many books written concerning the war of 1861 to 1865 that contain the word rebellion in its title. One of the books I have in my library is entitled, The Great American Rebellion, which is on that particular war. The first picture in that book, in fact, the opening picture, is a picture of General Ulysses S. Grant. The very first sentences in that book are these. Let me read them to you. We now approach the most momentous period in the history of the United States. The culmination of a great conspiracy on the part of the southern politicians to bring about the dissolution of the Union. This was not a calm, deliberate determination of the people of the South, but a conspiracy originating with a few ambitious politicians. Now, not only is the South openly accused of being the part of the rebel in seeking to destroy the Union, but it's not even the South as a whole. But it's just simply a few disgruntled politicians who simply left the poor, ignorant, uneducated, and uninformed populist astray. Now this view was popular in the North back at that particular time. In order to embrace that particular view, one would must absolutely forget the fact that each succeeded state's legislature, knowing past documents of secession, they were properly document and publicly recorded. One must also forget the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people in the South not only agreed to secession, but they did everything they could to effect that secession. One must also forget the fact that, to embrace that view, that there were serious economic, religious, political...