September 27, 2010
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Mark Koernke discussed tactical preparedness and night vision technology, covering topics such as ambush positioning, timing and distance in tactical scenarios, night vision capabilities across different generations, thermal imaging countermeasures, and uniform thermal reduction materials. A caller named John reported on an NPR Fresh Air program featuring an FBI hostage negotiator discussing Waco and potential future threats, expressing concerns about coordinated media coverage of militia topics and possible false flag operations timed around elections. The show included extensive technical discussion of surveillance, illumination techniques, and defensive strategies.
- night vision
- thermal imaging
- tactical preparedness
- ambush
- waco
- fbi hostage negotiator
- false flag
- militia
- npr
- federal government
- elections
- siege
- countermeasures
- bdu uniforms
- infrared
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But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold you trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame You've taken Satan's number and you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dill the land of the planet says the evening intelligence report. I'm Mark Harkie and I'm Donald betcher one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories Central West Southeast and East Well, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com, PBN.4MG.com, and we are on the line, 365. Then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM and FM Micro stations, CB base stations, and Ultra Net technologies, both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska. We're on the Hallmark Network on the eastern seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida, across the arc to the Gulf of Mexico, headed towards Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma. a big chunk of Nebraska, oh that's right, slash the nuclear fields, cornfields and let's not forget the cows, probably with three I's and extra udders by now. But anyway, the third of Wyoming, hi guys, and to the unit out there. Also to our friends across the rest of the plain states, want to say greetings, and then across to Mississippi to the Golden Spike Project over on the left side of the Mississippi, no the right side of the Mississippi, no it'd be not right. left. again with dark outside. Oh dark 30 again guys. You notice something? We were bragging that here it was be 8 o'clock. We still have sunshine outside. Not anymore. Bless your way out on the left coast. It's only five o'clock. You still got a few hours of sun daylight left before we're finished with the program here. Needless to say, but for those of us in the eastern part of the country, it's dark outside. Also, we're on the edge of rain up down here. Don, you've had better weather up north. We've been just pregnant paws all day has been like it wants to anytime now. So be prepared for that because it's a common. It's not if, it's just a when. So the bad weather is on its way. Pay attention there if you're down on this end of the state. Remember that it's Yeah, been a busy weekend and we get a little bit of rain to lift that oil off the ground so slow down pay attention there But also here night vision guys. This is why we have night vision technology last night I was experimenting with some camera equipment left a light on and watch to see pride to move in the shadows You know I mean in other words you don't focus on the illuminated area that what's interesting is what tries to slink in the shadows That's the whole mission of the camera equipment and cover the areas that again little experiment one of the cool things is First Generation gives you a jump up from just trying to guess is that... the sitter there. That third night in the road, just about the time they're going to be there, and that goes over to the tree line. Now, you're going to be there or they think someone's going to cross over at this point to another. It happened at a given time that they were told they might grow very impatient. Now, this is again an example of where patience comes in at night and patience in an ambush situation. The other guy, much as we strut doing the same thing over and over, is something or even repeating it in a particular time of the clock. It can be fatal. Ability in many instances, I'll lay that on the table again, can be fatal, like end, dead, done, game over, only it's not. That in mind, when you move into an area, you might want to consider If you're not moving through, if you're moving to create ambush or to create the interdiction because, well, you don't know something is going to be here, but you're going to move in and cover a big enough area that if anything moves through, it's in the net, isn't it? And you might have enough people there, well, if something bigger moves through, well, we can respond and take what was stretched. You've heard it said on the timing is everything. And when you say that, timing is everything. I try to follow it. If I can squeeze it in there almost immediately with distance is everything else. Because timing is everything, to a great extent. Timing is everything. How long is it going to take you to cover that 100 yards? How long is it going to take you to cover that 500 yards? Will it move faster than you can? Yes, and again, the line of sight. Which is going to determine how well you can cover that 100 yards, or whether or not you're going to even move across that 100 yard distance. And if you are, at what pace? That's why the greater the number of 100s we can add to that? Remember, while you're able to maneuver at your leisure, if you have greater range capability, then you have the ability to control that 100 yards times however many additional 100 yards you can add to the formula. And that 100 yard zone that they're trying to move or somebody else is trying to move through, you make a kill zone. You make your area of control. But beyond their perception, Think about it, we can see farther than we can shoot typically nowadays, and pretty much anything. You take a look at optics. We can reach greater distances with all of our technology, but it still comes down to how far can the weapon reach? Now beyond that, what skill do you have in operating the weapon to begin with? How have you perfected the technology? Night vision gives you that edge. Night vision in any capacity, any form, changes dramatically the dimension of engagement. Traditional night fire engagement is no more than 50 to 100 yards without having to go to selective fire and spray and pray. With conventional night, not electronic, we're talking your natural night vision, unless you're one of those lucky one in a million, or, and that's with almost perfect, or one in six million that has perfect, natural night vision. That's how rare it is. That person must be treated like a treasure in and of themselves and their skills must be perfected with their organic night vision. Now you take and enhance everybody else's and you have a combined team that is very unique to say the least. And again, changing the dimension day to night. Night time is just as possible for us to control as the other side. It's just a matter of perfecting technologies. Remember, forward sensors, ground surveillance sensor technology, noise makers. One 500 foot piece of fishing line can muck with a whole bunch of people for so little money and time. We have done this in the past. All you have to do is string line and wire everywhere. You figure which is real and which one isn't. And by the way, none of it has to be. The moment somebody comes across something like that, it changes completely. It changes the pace of operation. It forces them to realize that they're now in a very, very different dimension and environment. Just think about that. Now, combine that with extended range and slowing the target down into a place where you want to slow them down. Yeah, they can charge through and then find that maybe they made a mistake and, boom! Oh, no. Look, he's in two parts instead of one. Darn. See how that works? So the world, you know, again, you can create conditions on the battlefield. I heard a couple of beeps. I think we have some callers. I heard a couple of beeps. I think we have some callers. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I think we have some callers. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple of beeps. I heard a couple They would put the star clusters out and so I would shoot the flares. They would tell us to close one eye to preserve your night vision. I don't know if they use star clusters anymore. Oh yeah, we still use them. Again, that's the technique we talked about before. Oh yeah. If it's really bright, if you can afford the motion, I even advise you to cover your the eye that you close with your fingers or your hand if you can afford the motion. Because motion, there's light in the air now, you know what I mean, and motion is going to be an attractor. We've talked about that before. We look at color, we look at motion, shape, not necessarily in that order, but if you're looking at a field and something all of a sudden moves, your eye is naturally drawn to it. But if you can afford the motion, cover your one eye that you've closed, even with the palm of your hand, because, you know, Just for example, in the daytime, close your eyes and turn your face. So even with your eyes closed, that pupil is going to be closing up a little bit. You don't want to lose any of your natural night vision because when the flare goes out, when you uncover the eyes, it is still natural darkness. We haven't brought that up in about a week or two, George. Thank you. I remember some of the pyrotechnics they used because we were going through like firing under They were crawling under a bob wire with machine gun fire. Some of the fire techniques they used to put splashes in your eyes at night. One of the things to remember is the other technique was using the enlarged night sights that are on the standard M16. You should have had that training. They were on your rifle already, the rear peep sight. It's an open arpature and allows you to see down the site in theory with night vision. Depending on what range you were at, we actually had pop-up targets that had little illumination squibs. Just little lights that went flash, flash, flash to give you the impression of muzzle flash. And you were supposed to fire in three round bursts. Before we had the M16A1, you had to use your mind. With the new M16A2, the biggest problem is that they went to only three round bursts. So you had no problem tapping off a three rounder on a single target in the middle, say at one o'clock in the morning. And if at all possible they tried to simulate worse conditions for the night fire course. That we still do to a degree today. But, we also again try to demonstrate, just imagine the use of a little bit of illumination that is non-stop and facing the aggressor or over the aggressor with you, just either with your conventional or organic night vision, your natural, or with enhanced vision of any kind. It can be IR, it can be standard first generation, second generation or third generation. Just LEDs, consider this. Just a wide beam. large lens LED lights stuck up in a tree where they can't be reached but able to beam down onto an area and you use a for instance one of the tricks the guys do they use watch batteries from the dollar store the big old large pad watch bars they'll run all night Now, if you stick those up in a tree, that's like that flare. The important thing is you want to set it up so that it doesn't do damage to your vision, but enhances the illumination in the area of interest that you want to control. On the back side of the tree is real good. Yeah, exactly. But large physical objects you can't even move and expose the light to you. The idea is that it's burning up the enemy's night vision, it's burning up their equipment or at least eliminating the battlefield that they're laying on. The impact area you've created. Remember that a piece of night vision will adjust itself to the brightest image in its field of view. And if the brightest image is facing them, and between you and them, well, they really, it's kind of like, kind of look, what's on the other side of the sun? Exactly. And you can do it in tiers. Imagine if you had multiple of these. Some of the latest LED lenses are actually quite bright and they're designed to work as a little flashlight, you know, a little illumination beam. I'm sorry, Mark. Go ahead. But if you want to negate, make night vision almost of no use, there's a couple of pieces that will get past this because of their means to adjust the amount of light coming in. But there are few and far between in the real world. flood an area with red light, I mean, flood the jungle with red light where you're going to work or where you think things might be happening to the point that you can see with the red light. If you can see, like putting a red light in your flashlight and running it, a little sidebar on that, a deer, a cougar, you put a white light on it and a lot of times a deer will freeze, but a lot of times hunters, the fox, the cougar, going to leave the coyote they aren't going to stand for the white light but you know what you put a red light on them to where you can see them and bring it bring your gun to target the red light doesn't seem to affect them so there's just little sidebar but you know what if I were to flood this 10 acres with red lights where I could look out here and see what's going on 50 80 100 yards away just because it's lit up over there by smaller devices a piece of night vision would almost be you most useless If you bring up the light, the red light in particular you guys, because red is what night vision keys are. You know, ultraviolet, infrared. Infrared, this is why they tell you don't look at the light. This is why you're advised not to look at tail lights or headlights. Being even far more powerful, heard a device as much as different frequency of light. But again, just a little sigh. If I were to take 20 devices, cost me like, I don't know, five. If I spent $100 and flood 10 acres of my own land here with that red light to where I could see what's going on. Any line of sight out here I could see in the dark, it wouldn't be dark, it would be red light, it wouldn't affect the animals, but it would make night vision out here almost useless, almost exactly every piece in particular gun sights. There are a few pieces of viewers that have an adjustable aperture, like your iris gets bigger and smaller, and they could adjust down to where they would still be usable. I don't think there is a gun sight that has that capability. I'd like to know, how can you disable thermal sight? Thermal is a whole different world because you can look at it like I'm going to have to either completely disappear or I'm going to have to throw them up a whole bunch of decoys. You've pointed this out Mark, in the woods if you're alone and there's a helicopter buzz. You know pine almost negates thermal, almost make it useless. Heavy tall pines. It's just a free the frequency of the green and it tends to negate the heat signature. Another way you guys is to have something between you and it. Now, this is much like a line of sight thing. Everybody, you've seen that the films of the PUNFORTUNATE IRAC-E, Balaigunner, you know, anti-aircraft artillery gunner, the AAA gunner, and you're looking forward at you, you're with the heavy attack helicopter, but you're looking forward. And you kind of see, because it was just that mouth thermal you guys, in desert where the temperature moves up and down enough, you know, human bodies 98.6, 98.7, well at 98.6, 98.7 degrees like when the temperature moves up or down, there's times when thermal's almost useless because, well everything is the same. That's just a little sidebar. Going back to that poor Iraqi AAA gunner there, who you never saw, remember this. Remember this you never saw him see if that gun had a shield on it and you could barely see because I believe it was just in that temperature where you could barely barely see the gun in the helicopter imaging you know the guy you know half cocked about he he stood up when if he'd been stayed crisp well he'd never been seen and half cock incident if he stood up if he would have stayed crouched down he stood up and caught a 50 caliber bullet in the head at 2500 yards and a half But the poor unfortunate AAA gunner George behind that gun was a very unfortunate one and became a visible target to the guys on that helicopter and they just loaded him up with 20 millimeter. He was disappeared and you know a half he was he left this world. You've seen that you guys. You've seen it. They showed it to you for about 20 or 30 days in a period of about four or five days and you might still see it brought up but now that been mentioned on this hour they might try to you know not bring it up because you know they listen to us and we try to use every example we can you might have even seen that George did you see that? No I haven't. Well again you know things between you and thermal are going to take that even a glass pane you guys even a glass pane is going to make a difference now they say well thermal you can see people inside buildings well you know how hard it is to move that that's the kind of stuff that gets moved by cars that the kind of stuff that gets moved by you know helicopters i could be on top of a gunfight uh... dot i remember mark i tell us about like uh... any uh... company war in Kosovo whatever uh... but but you know whatever uh... yeah they say are we we found a living daylight down but yet they defeated our technology in the they set up a whole bunch of decoys all again you know you can make a cardboard tank that really looks real the formal and you can make a take a poncho And we've addressed this before. Take a poncho and a coffee can and a candle at particular times because you know that helicopter just comes through here between 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning every night. Sometime between 2 and 3, so if you have a candle that can burn between an hour, hour and a half, it's going to be on station longer than that helicopter so you can set up these decoys. The helicopter comes in and opens up on that and when that happens, well, other things can happen because it's looking in one direction, isn't it? So use your imagination there you guys, it's against. Use your imagination if you can't be seen. Now the thing about that, I know it's a two-edged sword because when you work against thermal it's not like I can camouflage myself so good that I can't be seen in the green screen. And we've addressed that in the green screen. Starlight, infrared, and now I'm getting into the gray portion of terminology. That's why when we talk about night vision, if you've got a piece of night vision, even if it's first generation, you know what I mean when I say green screen. If you've seen examples of night vision on the news or in Hollywood, you know what I mean, although Hollywood is lens on or even some green cellophane and call it night. That's what I mean by green screen. Thermal, you guys, is generally black and white with the heat contrast. For thermal these days, you can touch a swift image to the opposite. As example, white is heat when the night vision is on. switches one way and black is heat switches the other. Now that's because you guys you might wonder about that and that's because you don't see the fine fine picture that you do even in second generation night vision or third generation with again 64 to 72 lines per millimeter. That's a Leonardo da Vinci would be proud to paint with up 64 to 72 lines per millimeter. Okay, that's like that's really really good. You know it's it's great technology. But, give me a moment, George, show that. Great. You know, the type of thermal that would show... When you see from medical technology and you see the different colors of thermal across someone's face, $50,000 piece of equipment, you guys. About as big as, well, three refrigerators. Those are the things that are needed to do that. It's about as big as three refrigerators. Not to mention the housing that they roll the person into. Give thermal too much credit here. in certain instances, as you pointed out, Mark, you can't tell the difference between a deer and a person, or a pig and a cow. You had another question? Yeah, I found out on thermals, I remember when I was in the Army, our commander recommended that we did not start our BDUs because it would pick up the night vision, the thermals would pick it up. Part of that is sealing, two things are happening there, you're applying a shine, flash, a material that is going to create a reflection, which is going to help, and also changes the composition of the anti-thermal, anti-infrared material that your cloth was made out of, your cloth was impregnated with. That's why under the original uniform, when the original BDUs came out in Woodland, they had two things they were supposed to do. Number one, that camouflage was not just for the optical and the visible light spectrum. It was supposed to, between the whole system, and this is what most people don't understand, the whole system was designed to reduce your overall thermal signature. The underpants and t-shirt and the earth brown, they were designed to be a unique brown rather than OD green, so you could ID them as thermal reduction. Since the core of your body is the hottest spot, other than where your heat leaks out the top of your head and your eyeballs, The core temperature was the key concern. So step one were your underpants and t-shirt or long john top and bottom. The next was the uniform itself. Now even your hat, and I'll challenge anybody, everybody's looked at their uniforms for years and went, man, my hat's a different material than my uniform. And if you don't think so, look at the combination of the weave and read the label for composition of material. The reason top of your head is a heat leaker, so they had a different type of material designed to change the signature there. The next step was also in impregnation of materials in general. They used a thermal reduction material, both with the underpants and the t-shirts, the long johns and the gloves, your glove liners by the way. and the uniform itself. Now the other part about it is that the uniform had different densities of material already because of the shading and color, which is why the black was integrated into the uniform the way that it was. Black's not your first best color for camouflage in conventional optical range, you know, visible spectrum. But when it comes to night vision, it's a very different story altogether. And so the thermal reduction quality of uniforms was guaranteed to reduce your signature dramatically, but you were not to start your uniforms. Oh, and by the way, you know how the busy bodies in command are. All of a sudden everybody wanted a nice neat press and a nice neat crease. And one of the reasons is because we just came out of the permanent press army. We just had finished in the late 70s, middle of the late 70s. With an all new green uniform that was permanent press you pulled it out of the washer be it the khakis or the green and they had a nice crease and everything had a line and all you did was hang it up and wow you look great in the office. Well the problem is that in the field is a different story you needed a frumping you wanted your regular. On top of that the uniform was only supposed to last for two years and then you were supposed to have it traded in for replacement. The logic was that if you followed laundry instructions or if the donor destruction did your laundry for you and they followed instructions, your uniform, the material that was in your uniform was going to be good for about two years and after that would be pretty well washed out, or at least a percentage of it would be, so they would want you to replace, to reintegrate that new thermal reduction material into your issue. Well, they obviously never kept up with re-issuring the uniform, so the best laid plans of rats and rodents by the time they were done, guys were wearing uniforms out, number one, because they weren't being replaced, and they were being told, you will start the uniform, which went against the contractors and the designers' intent from the beginning. So, yes, it was a problem, but it would help with thermal re-up. All of it would, if you could still find it even today. One of the things you could do with the hats, the uniforms, even the underpants, although I'd be careful with the underpants because that's kind of close to tender body parts, is there is bow hunters by the court, thermal reduction material. Actually, you can soak right into the uniforms. Well, Mark, I got a pair of jungle fatigues. Do they have that thermal reduction? It depends upon the year. One of the things that we have to remember is we did not prioritize this with certain uniforms and if it was aftermarket it will vary depending upon year. The Air Force did to a degree. It depends on whether or not it is the lush green, which mostly did not have the thermal reduction, or the later in the standard US Woodland Army pattern color range. The reason for that you guys was because you could go into the Air Force and all the good things about how to work your M16, your squad automatic web mortar, and fields of fire interlock. blocking and using the ground because you could go into the air force study air base ground defense you could go into the air force and be a grown good your general now that they are my i heard another caller behind me very good to go with what you do we have another court would we have jump in there uh... jon from the in-call and i'm jumping their place for a little bit of a sort of michael uh... signal intelligence from uh... mission i'm more about uh... one hour ago eastern time about so much in seven p m and uh... eight p m uh... eastern time on on uh... being public radio they're broadcasting a program from npr national uh... right called national propaganda radio the national public radio uh... it should be held called fresh air everyday i just about today i happen to hear driving and they had a person on, there's a female, I don't know what the name of the lady is, but she's the host of the show and just one of those kind of sickly, mild, mattered sounding, soothing public radio kind of things. Well we call it National Pavlum Radio, John, because they sound like they're condensing and talking to a two year old. Is that how they sound? Exactly correct. and they've got a little but about one hour ago they were the lady with a curve interviewing a uh... i forget his name now but he was the uh... you keep a few negotiator for the fbi or period of many years when you have got about thirty years ago at new book apparently out uh... that you can interview him about the parties experiences of the hostage negotiator and the chief fbi-hop negotiator the person i think that they would you can method or method or something like that of the last name any that he was uh... early the chief negotiator at waco for the first half roughly of the fifty one-day he did wake up and then this this show that was looking for apart an hour a lot of it was a rehash of the whole the whole week oh of the waco bridge tavidian feed and all that but the way it was presented by this public radio person and and her guests but particularly the the post of the show i have to say it was the most outrageously planted uh... people's biased characterization of the whole thing and just half smear on on the branch to video on malicious on uh... people who might be opposed to some of the federal government activities that we go out of it ever heard to the point it was just shocking in fact it'd be good if you were for example to do make a record of a copy already a parody of such an interview imagine the figure view and you're pulling the role of the book with the npr lady in your they're doing your credit work uh... you know i have been looked absurd over the top extremely exaggerated version of how you might imagine her to characterize things and the way she would put up a flight of facts and you're trying to do it in the most outrageous open-top way as a form of parity too decide the extreme bias the propaganda that this is for a program was you really could not have done any better it would fact it would have you may not have even gone to the point of the lady actually want to in character at the fact that the whole 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process now i heard a little that's not the program for other with an npr dot com what would be other one good fresh air and good to give it out slowly give it out three times for the listeners please believe the website for this program is i think probably w w w dot care npr org fresh air dot npr dot or fresh air dot npr dot or or g and now i heard that the real time i heard that the over the air broadcast and fm main public radio uh... about a little over an hour ago now have been like cars are driving along so this was broadcast in main over over the main public radio system live the ninety minutes ago whether this actual npr and car broadcast whether it was uh... i don't know when it was because the rebroad cashable for earlier or if it's a problem earlier in the week or or when this was but it went out of the care alive in maine at least about ninety minutes ago or and it was a your national heat now i've got also room called to the people up there remembered back to earlier this year about six months ago i remember hearing on that same radio station and that same program that npr that fresh air the exact same lady talking there was a a similar program bob think i'm a very good spring from five march april for public that where she was there was a program they were talking about the uh... the car status of quote malicious and it was again a similar sort of thing where it seemed to cut out of like out of nowhere they're they're talking and having a program about malicious and talking about how things can with his rather early nineties helping to change their interview with a guy i don't want to let go from uh... you might have been that might have been that i've from mom but they're not more view the other how my mom's other pervert yeah yeah i might have been him i don't know what he felt like but i i i heard i just got caught if someone from the middle of the interview and they're talking about you know the evil militias and all the government government and i'm not going to get what this is the kind of a random time to be stuff all up but it's at the same time i do also recall or a different after a short round of time your program you were discussing i think all the accounts jones with similar quite a bit you're making a news program talking about how there were a lot of media activity jones was talking about here people producers in various where they were working with it shows in the works or they were working on programs about the malicious and about uh... in the key party movement with the target started them i think you had referenced that there was a lot of uh... of uh... cop car just above you know for a back you know that that was coordinated with thing like those trials of an order this year uh... for various militia groups and and people are getting found not guilty and and i believe with right within a few days after that program the end car program about malicious that i heard with that uh... or not worthy of the other guy though pop like that well i think with the party had happened like like a week later or two weeks later was very from after that and so there were definite sort of correlation suggestion of your part and how to joan through some other bit it's on the media activity the nature and flavor character the time you come with from their beer it was suggestive of an upcoming false flag attack or some kind of other jack-booted activity now keeping that in mind i just heard this progress again or in half a go after think well this is interesting you know it is a suggestive of it all can be coming up here we're getting into uh... little over a month away from different elections we have the october so-called a corporate surprise people talk about the sort of other uh... it might have accepted i thought that it was the timing of it in the nature of it for significant It should be something people can kind of put in the back of the mind and think about and correlate with other pieces of information they might see and hear. Finally, the guy from the FBI that she was interviewing, and this might also have some significance, his book he was talking about, he was talking about what he thought might be some future threats or some things that we might be looking at coming up, and he was talking about terrorist siege activities what he was talking about terrorist siege activities and he drew parallels of examples to those situations over in russia where for example i get the character gone you recall from pomago and got into a theater i think it took a whole lot of hostage in the they gas them and there were a big attack on a hundred people died and or and uh... well all three of the uh... at least two of them were demonstrated actually been run by the interior police of the key of the uh... f s b uh... the go ahead and they did but i don't think he was pointing out i can never remember from other places from other things over in and former soviet republic over there that he was he was he was using those examples of or if they need thought that we might be looking at or we might be facing in the future and describing other problems of being a negotiator and how you know in certain type situations is really not a lot that the negotiator can do with the name of his book was uh... buying time or bargaining buying more time or something like that but it's a book you get to get out and so i'm thinking well maybe you could better figure out the job to me we may have to keep you from her false flag attack in the form of you know from something like one of those outrageous over in in russia or the former soviet republics uh... in the in the book that some of the movement of that uh... you know that the sort of thing i know there's been some talk about something on my grand scale pictures like nuclear attack you've discussed uh... but there might be uh... something on a on a smaller scale that uh... they might uh... throughout their i don't know but for a little bit i would disagree because the political this group because what what what point out that a single action has not been successful for them so one of the other things we can find a good dimension is what we've always called the one two three punch In other words, in fact, we had a variation on that if you think about it with what happened with 9-11. One of the things that kept everybody off balance was the first right, first the initial attack, which was Assad, Israeli slash internal American control. Then we had that we joked about it, but we're not joking about it because it's a fact. Anybody who was in opposition to the war that started to make a comment in the Congress was anthraxed. had their office anthraxed and if they can it killed a couple of uh... male people in the process too well they didn't attack the hawks they were attacking the people whoever was it was attacking with the anthrax attack american uh... congressman who were again the idea of invading iraq We should tell us something. So that was a 1-2. Now the third punch, let's not forget the airliner that went down after the fact, remember on the coast that everybody seems to ignore now? It had body parts falling off it, airplane parts falling off. A couple weeks later. Right, just afterwards. So that was part of the ongoing drum beat. John, I'll tell you what, we're going to let you go, but remember we got programming coming up and Dutchess coming up too. If you want to call up, bring the subject up again on his own. Would you do that please? I don't have his number, but I'll try back. Stay tuned, Duck Jumps coming up next right behind us, guys. Don't touch that dial. Thank you, Don. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless America. to stop it. Others love the Word of God so much they're willing to die to advance it. This is one of the most privileged services I've ever attended. As one of the people said afterwards, the Bibles of the Christians are more powerful than the bombs of the Muslims. Speaking of which, this bomb failed to go off. This is another occasion, not a place. But if it had gone off, it would have taken our team and our compound and church off the map. 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