September 15, 2010
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Mark Koernke discussed weapons maintenance and modifications on Weapons Wednesday, September 15, 2010. Topics included M1 carbine maintenance and ammunition compatibility, Johnson carbine conversions to .223, 30-06 to .308 chamber inserts, .50 caliber barrel life extension through reaming, and essential armorer's tools for weapon maintenance. The show concluded with a caller reporting military convoys surrounding the St. Regis Mohawk reservation in New York over state taxation disputes, with references to historical Mohawk armed standoffs with Canadian forces.
- m1 carbine
- weapons wednesday
- armorer tools
- johnson carbine conversion
- .223
- 30-06
- .308 chamber insert
- .50 caliber
- barrel reaming
- st. regis mohawk
- new york
- taxation
- sovereign nation
- preparedness
- gun maintenance
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It's easier to find than my birth certificate. We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent, although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold you trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame You've taken Satan's number You've traded in your name You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children and people... Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic and each God given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As Iowoki vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is to still the land Yeah, we should be moment. I can't hear it though Ladies and gentlemen, this is the evening intelligence report. I am Mark Wernke. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, Central, West, Southeast, and North. Ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on... We are live at the Liberty Tree Radio, and we are live at the Liberty Tree Radio. We are also on AM and FM micro stations, CB Bay stations, and UltraNet technologies, both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska. We are on the Hallmark Network on the eastern seaboard, from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida, from the bottom of Florida, across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed towards Well, devastated and no longer a human-occupiable Louisiana, the wasteland of Texas, and let's not forget Oklahoma, which is, although it's inland, I think they're still pumping oil, but only with the raggedy hands of semi-lifeless bodies barely able to operate close to the Gulf. And then, that's not really close to the Gulf. Well, excuse me. Anyway, they're still pumping oil. Then to Nebraska, the nuclear fields, the cows and the corn fields side by side by side. Back over to Wyoming, the mining state. A whole lot of stuff going on too there with the third of Wyoming. Back over across Iowa, then across Mississippi. And all the way over to the Golden Spike Project across the whole of the Smokies, the Blue Ridge. That's right. There will be a meeting at the restaurant on Sunday. Meeting at the restaurant on Sunday. Meeting at the restaurant on Sunday. Five. PM bring transportation bring transport trucks trailers, you know the routine You've got a lot of hardware to move you for two weeks behind now because of the vacation in between you had That means there's that much more to do so get hold of your team leaders find out what's happening and to remember also calling your food orders in advance The party on the beach is canceled the party on the beach is canceled party on the beach is canceled repeat canceled Then, on top of that, let's see anything else. We've got one other event. We've got a special meeting up at Camp Emmerich. That's going to be coming up on Thursday. That will be tomorrow evening, 7 p.m. meeting at Camp Emmerich. This is a command meeting, Colonial Marine Militia, Independent Militia, some of the Wolverine commanders. to discuss what's been going on across the state here and the cooperation and other issues. We've got the same signal issues going on. In fact, it's a virtual identical print to what happened back when the Huttari incident took place. Our signals people are doing a great job. They were the first people to catch on to this. A lot of them have auto computer oriented frequency scanners now, so it's real simple for them to do, guys. And that's been part of the heads up over the last couple of days. But today is a special day. What is the date today down? Mark, today is the 15th day of September. You're of our Lord, 2010. Again, 15 September, ought 10, you guys. And that's the strike down the middle of the week. And it is the last hour today. So you're going to hear it one more time. And I might do it just because we can. But right now, you're going to hear... One in the chamber the slide ringing as it jumps the battery the magazine is in the well The perimeter is secure and I have confirmation mark the calendar calls me it is weapons Wednesday Excellent and of course that means we're recovering phase plasma rifles. We'll see small thermal nuclear technology and oh wait a minute. That's later on We'll take it from the corpses of the enemy, but Other than that, a lot of other things that are available out there, kind of touched on the high point carbine during the last two hour block. As usual, you know, that's one of those weapons that's like, well guys, it's American made, doesn't get any better than that. American made, light carbine, easily handled. Now, there's another thing. There are, of course, the 770,000 M1 carbines that were supposed to be in, that everybody under the table knew about last year, that it kind of warned we're going to get blocked by Obama and the ring knockers. Now that it's been blocked by the Obama and the Ringknackers, gee, what a surprise. The swine did exactly what we told you they do. Now, they let them run that thing all the way to the absolute end. They filled out paperwork, they rubbed their tummy, danced on one foot, they stole. They probably also paid them to the table and they were also working as liquid toilet paper just to try and make them happy. You know what I mean? And it didn't do any good. when the time came, guess what? They turned around and screwed them. So all the fees paid and all the nonsense that they spent, guess what? Did it no good? Now, what does this mean? Well, here's something I should point out, guys. It means that all the other stuff out there is going to be that much more useful and valuable. Let's take that into consideration. With all the support systems that we do have, it doesn't mean we can't find good weapons. We can. It doesn't mean we won't find stuff that will work. We will. The carbine is another option. It is out there to a degree. It was coming in in limited quantities. It has been for a number of years in different sources. South America, places in Asia, just like Korea, sometimes Korea over a period of years. But if you do have a carbine, most important is remember you need to understand how it functions and you better be doing maintenance. Carbine is a beautiful firearm. It doesn't have any real failings per se. Some people say the cartridge, but again, it's a carbine. It wasn't meant to be an MBR. It was designed to get you out of trouble. The only thing that happened is, Don, they made so many of them, everybody just started carrying them during the war. Millions were made during World War II. Then during Korea it became a very dominant light rifle in its own as the M2 and M3 in fully automatic configuration. Now there are some things they did to beef up the bolt, modify the weapon in other ways to include a chunkier beefier stock to give you a little more material to hang onto. But the basic design really didn't change and the number one concern with the carbine is its gas system as with most semi-automatic rifles. But more important than anything else is out of sight, out of mind means that in many cases people don't realize the maintenance that's required. Underneath the M1 carbine is a little gas tappet system which made it so famous. Just a little piston, only about an inch long. It rides inside a fixture and what it does is it actually slaps the bolt carrier assembly and actually the charging handle is attached to that. It moves the action. Well, the gas that is diverted there, it has to go someplace and it doesn't go very far. It sits right there on that piston. It will evacuate or scrape to a degree. Remember, you have a lot of varied ammunitions. French stuff, very dirty, kind of oily. Russian stuff, not sure. Okay. I'm putting the question mark next to Russian carbine ammo. M1 carbine ammo, steel case, kind of a brown, gray steel case, depending on who made it. There's a mix of other stuff. Oh, my favorite. Lake City, 1952, from Communist China. Hey, wait a minute. What the Chinese did is they figured what a great way to market ammunition. They started making brass per Dan and were stamping it down, Lake City 52, LC 52. So it just had to be that American stuff, that great American ammo from the Korean War that the Chinese just picked up by the droves. It was Ling Chow and the English Infection. Yeah, we thought it was Lake City, but you're right. It was that other group. And they also had a restaurant chain, too, by the way. Ling Chow, Chinese restaurant and ammunition in Poryam. So anyway, back when the communist Chinese stuff started to come in, lo and behold, there was tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons and tons. of this LC-52 ammunition made in Communist China. Well, it came from Communist China. They tried to market it that, oh, this one has gone so close. We pick it up, wait, I've got nothing here. Yes, they told. But it turned out that, no, that wasn't the case. And the case, as a matter of fact, the big proof was in the pudding. For damn priming, we didn't do. Okay, that's a European or a Chinese thing, but that's not us. That's out there in force now that car be ammo though wasn't really that bad You know that poorly made and really it did conform to spec and amazingly enough for the Chinese Had pretty consistent powder set, you know as far as the charge from you know round to round around around So the car be itself has some pretty good ammunition laying around out there US military ball You should say back if you're gonna shoot anything up shoot up the It was your best interest and it comes to That's right, dark bores are not a happy thing with a carbine because remember the rest of the system gets dark and corroded too and that gas system is what you've got to watch. So, the gas tappet is the big thing. There are tools, there are solvents, there are cleaners, there are things you can use to lubricate. One of them, of course, Gibbs is an excellent choice for the carbine. Very light, light surface coat. In other words, clean everything up, get all the carbon off it, and then treat it with Gibbs, and then wipe everything down. You don't want it sloppy, but you do want something to seal that metal up and to allow it to continue to operate. Otherwise, let's see, a gas piston wrench. You usually can get those from Sarco or many other companies. There's two versions, the early and the later model. In many cases, the gas piston wrench is also a combo tool, which is nice to have because it's an armorers combo tool. The other item, which again, if you're servicing a lot of car beans, even if you have one yourself, if you want to spend a little money on this, there is a bolt take down assist tool. Now, this was made to assist armorers to reduce time in turnaround and breaking down the carbine bolt and reassembling it. In many cases, these things were issued in larger quantities than just to the unit armorers at the lowest level. But Sarco and Gun Parts Company have carried them and I believe still have them in stock right now. That is a bolt takedown assist tool what it actually does is it has a couple of little screws and you know and connectors and when you put the bolt in place and you push this and would you that everything comes apart without you having to worry about things just way on you, okay? Especially critical because of the extractor So, again, carving, some specialized issues, but for the most part, a weapon that as long as you keep it clean, and as long as you keep it properly lubricated, is going to function flawlessly. Now, ammunition. Most ammunition is 110 grain standard ball. Variations on that, maybe the 108 grain, there's some oddball French stuff. And you may be reloading with like the Plinkster bullet which was made specifically for the carbine in 30 caliber. It's about a 90 to 95 grain bullet depending on what era it was made. This bullet is semi-jacketed. One of the rare rounds it's like this, Don, it actually is semi-jacketed lead 50% of the way up the projectile. The jacket is to keep the leading from being a problem with the gas system. But it does save you a lot of money in terms of the cost of the bullet. And that's the old 30 caliber Plinkster bullet. It's still very reliable and very desirable for range use. And I believe it would still qualify for indoor range use because it is 50% lead exposed. So, it will, you know, of course, flatten out an impact and dissipate the energy against the target and steal impact here. A good bullet to use if you can come to a point of aim and point of impact that is agreeable, that would be a good bullet to use against medium sized gain like North American gear. Yes. Actually, the round itself, the carbine is not a bad load. You'll even like in McHale's Navy and other movies, you'll see, oh, these peashooters. Well, those peashooters had a 15-round magazine which offered a lot of firepower. And even though everybody was carrying many other weapons, the carbine, if you look, you'll find a lot of men in front-line units and in combat units all through the Pacific were using the M1 carbine as their personal defense weapon, their personal infantry weapon. A support personnel was supposed to receive it, so it did end up in a lot of artilleryman's hands. It ended up in a lot of special support with drivers, things of that nature. Why? Well, it's a car beam, it's a cavalry gun. The idea is you're supposed to be able to carry it. It's quick to wield, easy to use. And of course, the next logical step was the M1A1 folding stock, which was originally made for the paratroopers, and then eventually ended up in a lot of other people's hands. That stock, which of course is quite intricate, is still not too expensive for what it is. You know, Mark isn't too excited about folder stocks, but it is a decent folder stock for the carbine. The only issue is the short configuration that it folds up to, so you don't really want to get in trouble over that. So what I would do is take that carbine stock and put it somewhere else. waiting for the day if you want the folder when you need it to make the weapon even smaller. Most guys I know that were in first special forces that were over there in Vietnam in the early days. Guys, some carried the Garand, but most carried the M2 or M3 carbine with that folding stock because of its size. It was out of the way until it was needed and you could carry tons and tons and tons of magazines for a little bit of weight. In fact, still lighter still than the M16 in all configurations. something nobody wants to talk about. Now here's a little subnote. Back when they were proposing, introducing the M16E1 down, Johnson of Johnson rifle theme. Remember this is the guy who gave us the Johnson helical, the snail drum, some automatic rifle in .30-06. Like Iver and Johnson. Well, actually, this was, I believe, a major. I may have to crack myself in the rank. Originally he worked in the military, but he actually developed these weapons himself in the Johnson Semidimatic Rifle and the Johnson White Automatic Rifle, which was the counterpart to the BAR. Years later, he survived World War II because he was an engineer at the time. He was designing things. He was not on the combat lines. But, after developing these weapons, he got into a couple of other niches and stayed in the industry in many different arenas. One of the things that he came up with, which most Americans don't realize exist, is the Johnson M1 carbine conversion. Now, let's think about this. Right now, there's this great idea you've got, what is it, the 6.5 Gremble, which is for the .223. It modifies the .223 round, and you don't change anything other than the barrel. for the AR-15 and you've got several others that are out there that are trying to put more teeth into the M16 round, right? Well, years ago, Johnson said, why do we need to buy a brand new rifle? And everybody was like, what? Well, all we have to do is change the mainspring, no big deal, and we don't have to change it. Change the barrel on the M1 carbine. and take the carving round and taper it down to .223. Now they actually came up with a, where did somebody get this idea? The new round is .57FN, right? Okay. Now guess what? If you were to do a spec on that new .57FN round, guys, take a look at the Johnson cartridge and tell me where FN got the idea for that round. Uh-oh. And Don, here's the neat thing. Nothing needed to be changed on the Johnson carbine conversion but the barrel. The extractor was the same, the magazines were the same. Consider this. You got the same ballistics, exact same ballistic coefficient with the modified tapered carbine round as you did with the 223M16 round. But wait a minute, wait a minute, I'm a little confused. The cartridge is a hair shorter Duh! Wait a minute, the magazines are how much smaller than the AR-15 mag, Don? Oh gee, aren't they the same? Well, I know, actually a carbine, I can get a 15-round mag, carbine mag, as opposed to a 20-round, I can get about four carbine mags in the same space. Mm-hmm. Think about it. Or at least three guys. Now consider this, I'm getting, I've had more firepower, a proven weapon, I didn't have to do anything special to modify the firearm. The magazines did not have to be changed because they'd already worked out the ballistic coefficient, the combination of the new powder with a 55 grain bullet or a 50 grain bullet. They went a little lower but not much. Remember, 55 is the standard for the M16E1 and was still the standard for pretty much all of Vietnam into the 80s, as we know. Not all of those, the SS109 and all the other projectiles. The Johnson carbine gave us all the solutions, but we weren't going to end up having to buy all new weapons. Instead, they could have barrel converted a large number of the carbines and in fact then done an XM field test with that rifle. And it's guaranteed that if you were going to push a .223 rifle, why not simply make something that much more efficient? Now, again, the carbine select fire option was already perfected. An inventory of parts was already in place. No new parts to buy, Don. Hey, but that wouldn't suit the Alcoa aluminum boys now, would it? Didn't make their foundry draw. And so, as we know, the rest is history. The Johnson conversion, if you guys look this up, it was an excellent idea. By the way, Johnson in the private sector still sold a bunch of these, much as we're seeing these unique Wildcat 223 offshoots done in 6mm, 6.5mm, etc., etc. And the .30 caliber 223 rounds, almost. In fact, what's interesting is, here's one of the things I'd reverse on this. Back years ago, the first time I saw any quantity of 223 brass, you know, the first thing I thought we could do with it. Man, we can cut off that neck down and we can size that up and we got carbine brass for cheap. Unfortunately, the 223 brass is just big enough that it actually is not quite tolerable unless you do some major thermal lube. Now you can do that in resizing cases, so I will point something out to a lot of our carbine aficionados. If carbine ever became a problem, What you do is inspect your cases and watch for split throats on those 223 cases or bent that can't be repaired. You then cut the brass down to about, although a little under would probably be your best choice, a little under standard M1 cartridge length. Then, preferably with a carbide dye for the carbine, you run the 223 brass through the dye. It will extrude. Now you're going to want a thermal lubricant. There's a couple of different lubricants out there that you actually roll the brass in. What it will do is while applying pressure, it will create heat, chemical heat. What this does is it makes the brass more manageable so that it will stretch. Now then you end up with, oh that's right, a brand new shiny boxer prime, just the same as the standard carbine, a 223 converted case. Now you may still have to do a bit of reaming on the inside of the case. You will still want to do a case length spec. The reason I cut a little short is because there's a little more meat on the inside. So when you run it through the die, what's going to happen is the case is going to stretch back out to about proper length. And you have one experiment to find out what cut would be your best choice. Now the less trimming you have to do, the better you are. So if you're really an artist, you would figure out a jig that would cut it to the proper length. So that when you resize it, it would already be at just about where you want it to be. And one last case trim with one little twist of the trimmer would be all would be necessary. There you go. See how that works? Again, we don't throw anything away. But in the meantime, just an idea there that Johnson and you run into a carbine and it might have a re-stamp on it or it might have a barrel stamping that says Johnson Firearms and or you know Johnson Gun Works. There's a number of different stampings depending upon when it was built, kind of like auto ordnance for the 1927 Semitatmatic There are a number of different stampings depending upon what year because Johnson trucked along for quite some time. Even after the military proposed this project to the military, they didn't really embrace it obviously. They were heading towards this all-new rifle and so the rest is history. But it's still an example of unique innovation on the part of Americans. So, can we do the same thing today? Well, there's a lot of other cartridges out there. There's a lot of things we have to look at that may be an issue. Another thing we haven't brought up in a while is the 30-06 to 308 chamber insert. Now, most people say, no, we need to re-barrel that garand to 308. Well, back in the day when the U.S. Army was getting the M14, the Navy always kind of gets hand-me-downs. Or they kind of get stuck not switching over as quickly. They're not exactly combat infantry You know and the sailors are usually you know used for anti-boarding or for boarding operations sometimes for anti-mine with light rifle Everybody is on the ship of course if they hit and they're too close I guess you really didn't want to hit it with that rifle after all didn't yeah, but But anyway, back in the day when the M14 was being issued as a first line rifle, the Navy wanted a .308 weapon down, but they didn't want to spend as much. So there was a solution, wasn't there? And it was. And that was the chamber insert, which of course, without having to convert the weapon over, and by the way, there's a couple of guys in the shotgun news that still make these guys, what it allowed you to do is you took a ball round, You took this sleeve and laid it over the brass case, over the loaded round. And what you did is you then set it in the chamber and you let the bolt carry home. You let it fly home. Now what happened is the brass case 308 round with the extension which formed out or filled out the rest of the 30-06 chamber It pushed it into the chamber. What you wanted to do was check to see if the bolt seated properly. Typically it did not. So what you had to do is extract the round, which would extract easily. Then insert another 308 round into a D-clip, or load up a D-clip. and allow for the bolt to fly home full force and drive a second round into the chamber. Now you might want to just use the same piece of brass because you're going to be a little abusive to it. Not much because it should be the proper size. But the point of this was that this chamber insert meant that the Navy didn't have to change, they didn't even have to change barrels in the rifle. Now this is a one-way trip for that insert. Once it's put in the chamber it's forced into place. and metal adhesion, steel on steel, keeps it locked in plus the dimensions were precise so that it would stay in place once the first round was fired. Now it would stay in place probably, but I don't think you're going to force it out anyway. But the only way to extract the insert was to use a reaming tool. It would hook that insert, which is like a sleeve extension made out of steel of a standard 30-out to fill in the difference between a 308 and a 30-out 6. The Navy then made a D-block insert that goes in the magazine well, it goes in the D-clip well. These are available from a number of different companies, by the way, around the country. There are guys that still make these because a lot of guys use 308 barrel converted garands and they need something to fill in that jump space because you're using a shorter cartridge in what is a fairly large magazine well. Well, the Navy made the D-block for that so that it goes in, fits into place and you're all done. Otherwise, everything else functions the way it normally would, 308 instead of 30 out of 6. Now, as we have pointed out, this is kind of a handy tool if you have the garand But it's also a handy tool if you have the FN49 in .30-06 or if you have a Model 70 or maybe a Model 700 or any other rifle such as the Savage models that are in .30-06 but you might want an insurance policy in the buttstock. or on your person so that if you just happen to run out of OTSIX and there's a whole like 20 or 30 rounds laying on that slightly or heavily damaged APC you guys just captured that you can switch over to 308 without any complications whatsoever. Now think about that guys. That means that your OTSIX has the ability right off the bat to use two calibers without any special technology other than that collet, other than that insert. And the insert is so simple it's ridiculous. So there's got to be more to this part. No, there's not. It truly is that simple. Dom, the only thing that I don't think anybody's thought about yet, and granted the pressures are much greater, but still the concept and the engineering are the same, is switching out by making an insert for the 50 caliber Browning to go down to another case to alter the case but not change the barrel. Now, when California made the BMG round, the illegal can't be, you can't bring a new gun in and whatnot, the people who build the Wind Runner, I think it's EDS, arms, I might be wrong about that, maybe somebody will call and correct me, but that was Bill Ritchie. They built a different chamber, basically the same chamber mimicking the chamber in Europe in the countries that outlawed 50 caliber or rather outlawed military calibers. Now this holds the same interior volume as the Browning machine gun round, the 50 caliber BMG. The throat is the same size. It's just that the chamber is different. So it is as of today allowed to be sold in California. So you get the same ballistic You know, the same muzzle velocities and all of that that you would with the BMG round. And it's a way to skirt the law, granted. But it's a way to run up a different avenue. You're right, Mark. Another thing to point out here, you know, if you have a number of people that own 50s and maybe none of you are builders, you know what I mean? You all might have, every one of you in your group might have a store bought gun. be it an Armalite or a Barrett or one of Rock McMillan's guns or you know go right down the list. Might be a store-bought gun. But so you didn't build the gun. But if you've got a number of people odds are in your group you're loading now aren't you? You know in your group between you you've bought that press and you've bought the die for your you know there's two different AMACS bullets the old one is just about sold out now. So if you've got the old AMAX die, you might want to take, oh, Skip would say, get a little brave and run a little coca-cloth in there and make that fit the new AMAX bullet. But, you know, it's still going to work for you if you've got a whole stock of the old bullets. But here's where I want to go with that. If you've got a number of people and you're already moving into reloading, think about getting a chamber reamer. Why? Well, with, as you mentioned, Mark, the pressures and all the things that go on in a ... If you're going to move a bullet downrange at about 3,000 feet per second, be it .223 or .50 caliber, there's a whole lot more oomph behind that .250 and the .223, it's smaller. But either way, you need about 45 to 55,000 pounds of pressure in that chamber, you guys, to move either one of those bullets to around 3,000 feet per second. Now, burns like that, in particular when you burn a lot of powder in the big borers like the Lapua, the Chi-Tech, the 338 Lapua, the 408 Chi-Tech, or that 416 that Ronnie's got now, or the .50 caliber, when you start talking about that much powder, you're starting to assault the lands, the very fronts of the grooves where the bullet jumps from the chamber to the lands and now it's being guided and spun down the bore. Just a little sidebar here, Mark Skip-Tow, but once said that, you know, that .50 caliber bullet, if you could catch it as soon as it came out of the barrel and stop it mid-air and lay it down on the ground and not lose any of its, you know, all the physically impossible things, but not lose any of its forward motion or anything as soon as you laid it on the ground, it'd roll away at almost 250 miles an hour. That little half inch diameter being a wheel, you know how fast a wheel has to spin that's that small to go away that fast? Yeah. Well, you can sit down and figure it out, all the formulas for yourself. But Skip Talbot brought that to us years ago. But when you go back to that jump from the throat to the land and the burn on the front of the lands where the grooves start, you guys. 50 calibers do it, and this is where you see the major portion of wear on a 50 caliber barrel. And we've talked about burnishing a barrel, and you know, you can get the barrel to last longer than you can the throat. This is why we talk about, well, if you've been shooting your gun for a while, you might want to start, and maybe right off the get, you might want to maybe load, after you've, you know, built up some fire formed cases and built a drop chart. You might want to try loading five or ten rounds, no pun intended, five or ten thousandths higher so the bullet comes out that much longer. Now you can go a lot longer if you're loading an individual bullet if you're not feeding from a magazine and a little side bar. Ronnie's guns don't like AMX bullets, the magazine said ones, because the AMX bullet is too long to go in the M82 and whatnot. But going back to that. Now that long, as that throat burns, you're able to load the bullet farther out in the case and reduce that jump to lands because the lands are actually eroding farther and farther away from the bolt face, literally. Now, you can shoot that to the point that, well, you can load that bullet 50,000 or 70,000 or so far forward that there's nothing left to grab onto and your accuracy is diminished. But if you've prepared the barrel, You know, burnished it in and kept it lubed and whatnot. The barrel is still going to be good enough that, you know, well, now you're going to be a little bit of a gunsmith because you're going to be a little bit of a machinist because, well, you've shot the throat out of the barrel rather than shot the barrel out. So what do you do? Get the big wrench out and the leather so you don't grab the barrel and put teeth marks in it. You know, there are strap-like wrenches that are real good for, you know, barrels that haven't moved in a long time if you don't want to put machine bites in them. And, well, you take it apart. And then you take it down to the machinist. It might not be a gun shop, it might be somebody who can cut centers very well because looking down the center of the bore, what you want to do is lop off an end of it at perfectly 90 degrees and only God can do that, so we're going to get as close as we can. And then you're going to thread, you know, looking at the example of what you just cut off, you're going to thread that again, hopefully as close as possible to the bore because only God could do it perfect. And then... Well, remember we talked about a chamber reamer? Now you're going to put that to use. And because you've been shooting so much, odds are your buddy, well, he's right behind you. So if your group throws in for a chamber reamer and you know a machinist who can cut on bore center, we've just added life to your .50 caliber gun. Now, it's been the thought that, well, It's not really worth the money to do that because you can get a new barrel for $350 or $450. Now we're talking about $550. We're talking about sniper quality barrels now. You can still find 50 caliber barrels for, I don't know what, we'll have to see what they're going for at Knob Creek this fall. But a barrel, rather, I'm sorry, a chamber reamer if you're in a group of 50 caliber people and none of you is truly a gunsmith. It might be something to have if one of you knows a good machinist. Thank you, Mark. In fact, one of the things that really has been, you know, cued into this particular part of Weapons Wednesday is armory tools. You don't have to be a gunsmith to have armory tools, people. And it's critical that there are certain tools you should have, especially if you have a large number of support weapons to deal with. A precision screwdriver set. Not just a four-way screwdriver that we use in maintenance. I've got lots of those too. But a real armorer's screwdriver or a precision screwdriver set. Now, spend a little money on this because when the time comes to do maintenance on your weapons or your optics, you do not want to shave out or round out anything. You want everything crisp and precise and there are specific slot sizes for designated slots and for different types of fill-up drivers. Now, you also have hex systems and those are just as common today now. as threads, you know, thread stock fixtures of any kind. It can be also hex nuts. So you're going to want a driver set. See, there's a long list here, not real long, but a list that keeps being added to. Now, for most weapons, there are armourers tools that were built. Now, since you live in the United States, guess what's the most dominant set of tools you'll find? Well, for the AR-15, the M14, the M1 Garand, the Browning machine gun family, the BAR family, the Thompson family, not very much to do there, and other weapons like the Ma Deuce. There are armorers assist tools that are really kind of handy to have for either doing specific maintenance or for disassembling things. For the AR-15 there's about now I think down three going on four different armorers tools that have been built. The originals are the pre and post M16A1. The pre type include a specific fixture because the pickle fork flash hider was dominant on the M16E1 and then the first model of the A1. The pickle fork didn't last long, although it was a wire cutting flash hider. That's really what it was for guys. That's why it was a pickle fork. It had an open end. They went to a closed fixture because it collected vegetation. No way! There's only a little spot there. Yeah, but it was enough to collect vines, vegetation, and hook on stuff it wasn't supposed to. However, the armorers tool includes accommodating to be able to take off, to actually wrap over it. Literally, you take the tool, it goes over the three tines, you know, the tines that make up the pickle fork. and what you do is then use those as your torque point and you wrench it off because it's threaded. Other variations on these armorers tools are fairly cheap from as little as $5-6 to as expensive as $30-40. Depending on what it is, you're going to want to still include an example in your armorers tool chest. or in the basic unit tool chest. If you have 10, 15, 20, 30 AR-15s, I'd suggest getting one of everything and preferably more than that and everybody should be pitching in to buy the tools. Including the precision screwdrivers, also pin pushing sets, remember for tapping things, those usually are brass tipped. You can find cheaper versions of them and that's okay. But just make sure you've got a set of this stuff. Oh, and add to the kit, Some 2 and 3 foot 22 caliber brass rods. Ideally 3 foot, but not too long. However, long enough that they'll reach down the end of a barrel and still have about say 4 to 6 inches of material beyond the end of the muzzle when the time comes. Now what do you suppose we might use that big old solid brass rod for when the time comes? We got a stuck case rather than using a reaming tool from the one end which we might have to do. In many cases there's just enough adhesion and only a little bit in one particular point on the case. We can take that brass rod, carefully run it down the bore, provided that the round has probably gone off and we'll have to identify that too. And we can tap the round back out, even if it has not gone off, provided that we're careful and we've got the bolt carrier, everything else disassembled and out of the weapon, we can do that for safety. Then we have the ability to tap cautiously and carefully, not beating on it like we're trying to drive a nail, but tapping on it with whatever size, either brass mallet or lead mallet or little ball peen. and progressively working the brass out of the chamber. A simple piece of metal that saves a whole lot of pain. And please, let's not do this with a cleaning rod. Typically the cleaning rod will not survive. Everybody understand that? It wasn't meant to be a a flooding tool. It wasn't meant to be a hammer. Other tools and components include some of the ones that I mentioned. For instance, for the M1 carbine and many of the other older weapons, there is a gas system tool. On the Garand, it's part of the clean kit. It's part of your utility tool. On the M14, it's part of your clean kit. The T-handle also has a number of other multi-tools including a hex socket, a hex fixture. Well, that's designed to help clean that gas system out. See, so it's important that you get the military variance even in the cleaning kits because they serve more than one purpose and they have specific integrated tools that are attached. You want all the tools you can get your hands on. You don't know when one's going to be needed. And while one might break, the other one might work just fine. So, you want overlapping technologies. Anyway, this will give you solutions. Not just lamenting about the problem. Look down on me back and he's not waking, but I do. Oh, I am telling you. Well, it's pretty straightforward, guys. Break out the armourer's tools and do the job right. Another half of this battle is information. Manuals. Manuals and more manuals. Really super critical. Manuals, manuals and more manuals. If you have certain weapons, collect everything you can and the way of written information on them. This includes troubleshooting but also histories because in many of the histories there's additional troubleshooting information available. So learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself. Oh my goodness. Now, Don, another thing there too, you've got for instance, well, one of the finer solutions to the half inch family with a very straightforward solution that several of the companies have come up with. There's a few armorers tools that come along with each one of these .50 cals, aren't there? Well, it depends on who you get it from. If you go upscale like Arctic warfare guns, you're going to get everything in need, you guys. I've never seen one at a competition. That's probably why. You have $11,000 or $12,000 or $14,000. You can get Rock to build you a 50% Rock McMillan or some of Gale McMillan to build you a 50% FUR between $5,000 and $7,000. It'll be custom. It'll be a single shot and it'll have a very accurate barrel on it. You guys, Rock has built championship guns, so if you go there, you're going to get the ability, you're going to get the tools from him to disassemble the gun. When you look at, as example, the Armalite, the AR-50, you need, I think, three different hex heads to completely disassemble. the gun, the receiver from the stock and to lift the bolt out, there's a bolt stock. That's basically, there's few moving parts on it, but most of the moving parts are in the trigger group and the bolt. Again, to remove it, it just doesn't come with the bolt. But the first thing I did was take the whole gun down to my local friendly hardware store and take it into the back room and we walked into the you know, the keyway section and found the proper keys and cost me like three dollars, you know for hex keys, you know Allen wrenches, but again you move upscale and you get a lot of the things and yet that can't be pointed out enough Mark about straight blade and Phillips head screws and You know, you put the right size blade in and the screw lasts. Instead of beating it or even, you know, people think bigger is always better. Well, it can be so big that if the screw is sunken, you know, countersunk, bigger doesn't work, does it? Now, you know, you can go down to, we can name any of the box stores and you can buy something Chinese that might take your gun apart three times. It might take it apart once, but this is the time when you invest in good, tool, steel. There's a reason why they call them tools, but I think we've got a caller, Mark. I heard a few. Yes, Don, I do need to break. This is David in New York. Hey, Dave. St. Regis, Aquisestiny, right now it appears it is a possibility of being under siege. There's a large number of military convoys and troops. surrounding the border of Aquisestiny, that's St. Regis, just northeast of Messina, New York. The state of New York is trying to force taxes upon the Aquisestiny that people have said no, and it appears somebody is sending troops in right now to cause trouble. a stand by tonight folks because if these clowns try to move on to the reservation it ain't going to get pretty. And again most of the tribes have their own military assets and of course population have, you know, they are armed so as far as this thing escalating, we remember we had the Mohawk standoff years ago The Canadians learned real quick that the Indian nations actually were a little better prepared than anticipated. Everybody might recall the two British APCs knocked out on the road by a wadi 20 millimeter and also by a 50 caliber single shot fire. That was over a land dispute. In this case, it's taxes where they're trying to muscle in now, just like all the rest of these shysters are in areas that they really don't have any authority on. No matter how we do or don't like this, and a lot of people have commented about this in the past, the bottom line is this is called desperation revenue. It's something that they're trying to crack this from one direction to another. The Department of the Interior knows better. especially, and the fact that the states continuing or proceeding with this. The states pretty likely asked the Department of the Interior on Indian Affairs long ago guys. That's why they have a department there called the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Here's a question, Dave. Yes. Did the Indians offer gaming? Yes, sadly to say, and they've been trying to get that taken out. They've already closed one gaming hall down. But Spitzer right now has been pushing, Elliot Spitzer has been pushing to open another gambling casino here and a fast deal with certain people on the rest. And there's been several arrests in the last week, totally bogus arrests, and several Indians have been injured or hospitalized due to unlawful under- The stopping, the one who was beat up two days ago, was stopped because they couldn't read his tag. They smashed his windows, dragged him out of the car, maced him, tased him, beat him. He's got cuts all over his body and numerous stitches. Nice people. And he's a relative of one of the leading clan mothers of Aquasesne. Now we might remind everybody too that if there are any updates that need to be given out on the air, we have the Dutch Jones program next. So if we have a follow up, if anything breaks, then we have the ability to go live on that as we can report. Ed can do the link through there. Well, actually, I think Dutch would be good. There's a calling number through the program. Yes, he was going to be changing that. Has he changed it? I don't know. Ed's been so busy, I'm not sure. We might have a posting on that. Check our page to see if there's a link there that will get you to the Dutch's page real quick. I'm in the field. Okay. Well, probably we can figure out something if we have to, get hold of the station and go that way. I'm sure that we can follow up on that. Ed may have something he can offer if he knows before we close here at the top of the hour. As I've said, Mark, they try Northeast, then they try Southwest, then they try Southwest, then they try Northeast. They're playing the ping pong game back and forth between the two points. This is a border. This is on the Canadian border. What they're looking to do is to to find one border or the other that they can cause a border order over. That is what it boils down to, is trying to cause an excuse to have the joint border of one nation now no longer have Canada and the US. We just have one big happy North American Union, I guess. Any kind of border order they can create, they are going to try it. Well, again, Mohawk nations had the same problem here, sir, over the last 20 years, but two major conflagrations escalated about eight years apart. The first one, which again I'm hopefully jogging some memories, the Indian, Pampin, Mohawk troops dug in and created a defense in depth grid. The Canadians moved forward, brought in military. There was an engagement. The Mohawks engaged, neutralized the Canadian forces, and then withdrew from the front of their defensive network. When the Canheads moved in, the first comment was that, man, these people normally knew what they were doing, but they were surgical. So, this is something that historically, for everybody who is listening, remember, don't be surprised at what might transpire here. The Mohawks knocked out two APCs and allowed the crews to evacuate and fall back. As the commander of the unit originally said that was with the Canadians, he goes, it's obvious that they allowed us to retreat. because otherwise they wouldn't have gotten away. As it is, whoever has knocked out the two APCs knew exactly where to shoot, knew exactly how to hit it, and only fired three to five rounds total. If there was a miss, they can't be sure, but otherwise very fixed, limited rounds, 50 caliber and 20 millimeter Lottie. And in both cases, the vehicles were knocked down instantly. These were state-of-the-art Canadian pieces of equipment. These were not older pieces of older gear. This was cutting edge stuff. We're looking at the same scenario. Again, we'll see how this develops. A lot of people are just not going to put up with a lot of this nonsense anymore. It seems that this has been an ongoing affair. This has been going on for what, the last three to four years now at least? It's been at least right. The state of New York has declared that as well as BATF, this comes from a bat faggot operation. trying to force them to tax all cigarettes manufactured. They raise their own tobacco here, they manufacture their own cigarettes and the DATF is demanding that all those be taxed. Once they tax the cigarettes, then the next thing is they tax the land. The Oneida already have that problem. They have been involved now for something like five years in Tangled. Then Madison County is suing the Oneida Nation for over $12 million they claim in back land taxes since when is any sovereign nation subject to taxation of another nation. Well, this is the parasitic desperation revenue is what it comes down to. And this is something we're going to see more and more. The lines are going to get so blurry, eventually someone is going to pull a trigger and it's going to be done. And you're on it, it's just a win. I mean, everybody just needs to be prepared for it. You're going to hear more and more of stuff like this because the skanks that are in the system just don't have brains enough to back off. Dumb as a box rocks twice as thick. Yep. It's all there is to it. So again, it shouldn't be a surprise. I'll just remind everybody I've seen we've already been historically we've monitored actions of this type. the bad guys assuming you're gonna be able to do something won't get away with it. We gotta let you go Dave, we're at the top already. Bye bye. Thank you sir. Keep us informed. Don, God bless you. That's the new world order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is in the run, but we are on the march. Hope they end tonight. Well we got Dutch Jones coming up next live, so stay tuned there and if there are any more reports I'm sure we'll have him through Liberty Tree Radio. Thank you Don. Thank you Mark. God bless. God bless.