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O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watching tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. This is the second hour of the afternoon in intelligence report. I'm Mark Horky One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories Western, Central, Eastern, and Northern. Well ladies and gentlemen you're listening to us on... libertytreeradio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are on live 365, then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM and FM micro stations, CB Bay stations, all over the country high, Channel 27, way up north there, especially around the Bay Area. And we are on the alternate system from the east to west coast to the top and bottom of Alaska and the Aleutians over there on the left side of the chalkboard lower part of Alaska off those little islandy thingies that head towards Russia and come. Then, the Hallmark network on the eastern seaboard, top of Maine, bottom of Florida, bottom of Florida to the Louisiana coast area. Then a little bit of Texas, and well a lot more a little bit now I think. Then back up to the whole top of Nebraska and more, but we'll see Nebraska really strong there, then the third of Wyoming, across Iowa, over two. The Golden Spike project, which is bridging the Blue Ridge slash the Smokies, has a busy project there. Again, an announcement, there is not, not, not, there is not a general meeting at the restaurant this weekend. There is an administrative meeting that was already agreed to. Volunteers are going to be there. And this is to deal with, well, hey, the alternate systems and all the rest of these run 24-7. There are problems that you need to deal with or things that need to be transferred because people need spares. So they're working on that. And again, there will not be a general meeting, but there is an administrative meeting. This weekend at the restaurant, calling your meals, most of everybody already did that as part of the policy. They signed up during the meeting, but those are some alternates that are probably going to be volunteering to show up. Guys, make sure you call on your meals. It makes it a lot easier for the cooks. They'll do their part, but you've got to give them the ammo. Anyway, it is, oh my goodness, it's not the first of September. No, wait, man. We survived to September 1st. of 2010. That's right, second year Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a K. And it is the Dun-Dun-Dah! Weapons Wednesday on top of everything else. Now, improvised weapons as far as building and producing arms don't have to be as crude as you might think, but there are a lot of things that governments have done over the years that they don't necessarily want to bring up or talk about a number of reasons not the least of which is embarrassing uh... example is uh... and again it's not really probably country has done this at one time or another but though about wooden rifles what about mock-up wooden rifles at their trial it just like the real thing Was there a program like that? Well, you bet there was, because there was a general shortage of arms in the military sector. The civilian sector, everybody had weapons that they needed, and pretty much could muster out the militia in 1939, 1940, and 1941, better armed than the average regular army force that was out there. And we outnumbered them many, many, many times to one. uh... one of the written one of the things that demonstrates that is a lack of ammunition in these on non-military standard calibers at the very beginning of world war two much like what happened uh... in the last couple of years All of a sudden everybody took ammunition purchasing seriously and the store shelves were exhausted. It wasn't the donut of destruction, though in that day and age it was the War Department. The War Department did not want to buy everything off the shelves. They bought a lot because they needed everything. They needed 22 ammo for training. They needed other ops 6 rounds simply because they did not have enough ammunition to field what they needed as Pearl Harbor developed and in the process deal with other munitions issues. So the shells were scoured by government contractors for a specific list of ammunition. Let me give an example. 351 Winchester, a unique cartridge made of a police semi-automatic weapon during the 20s and 30s. That particular weapon, the 351 Winchester and its sister, just like the 30 Remington and the 32 Remington, were very unique cartridges that had a certain niche and because they were in a caliber that was easily identified and easily accessible, in police circles they were pressed into service for guard duty in different locations like train yards and they were prioritized where it was not likely they'd be combat infantrymen but defending a position. In other words, they wouldn't be combat infantry assault forces, they'd be defense forces. This is also true of many other weapons that were brought into service immediately here in the US because we were rich in arms available. Not to be confused with poor old England that, well, in 1927 they'd done a general gun ban and so everybody was a peasant, an unarmed peasant. Australia was in no better shape, despite what everybody says. This isn't the first time this gun grab they just did. That's not the first time they've done in Australia. Go back to the history books, go back to the real history books, go back to the period, especially newsprint and such, and read up on the gun grabs of 1927 in preparation for the world depression. See, they knew what was going on. And they wanted the people disarmed before they all found out that they'd had their money carried away and that they were planning on making them, shall we say, poppers in the streets. Oh, timing is everything. Well, anyway, interestingly enough, Here in the US, we still didn't have enough weapons, we didn't have enough ammunition. My dad, two of my uncles, went through most of basic in the early stages of World War II carrying a wooden rifle. Why? Because even though it was the last of the World War I, 1903 Springfields that were still in service, still in inventory, that were from the last war or from the production era in between, the Roaring Twenties, Most of those weapons were prioritized to line combat units. And only a small number of, and a very small number at that, of actual battle rifles were kept in reserve anywhere because they were needed on the front, or they were needed at priority defense sites such as the coast where it was figured, hey, if they're going to land, better have the stuff forward where we need it. The civilian population, they'll deal with what they got and figure out how to make it work. So wooden rifles. Yeah, wooden training rifle. Oh, not the great American superpower. Yeah, yeah, the great American superpower. By the way, once they got through basic for the Navy, for instance, their qualification rifle at that time was not the 1903 Springfield, which was standard for most of the training sites because it was not six. Gave them familiar, you know, like familiar with the weapon. Instead, their qualification weapon was a .22 caliber bolt-action Remington or Winchester, depending on which unit you were with, and what they bought most of. from the civilian market no way i thought will be facial garrett they show straight yeah yeah and i'm a chinese jet pilot name lousy guys this is the actual history not the movie propaganda version okay remember you the idea behind the movie propaganda was just that to help pump up everybody here like well i will basically come over and i will carry out nineteen seventeen uh... marlin in each hand to get rid of it and i think you know boom boom boom boom I'm going to have probably a 50 strapped to my back and I'll get a Thompson. No you won't. In 1939, 1940, and 1941 they were scrambling, even though production was up. Scrambling to find the weapons that were needed. The Model 1917 Enfield was pressed extensively in the service. A keynote 1917 Enfield in 30 Out Six. Many other weapons were pressed into service, including the 3040 Craig, which was in strategic reserve. and it too was brought forward and in fact was issued to state militias. Ah, I didn't hear about that one. By the way, the 3040 Craig was also issued, along with Gatling guns, for factory defense militias. How much history have you seen on that? Oh, none. But for instance, my dad, several of my other uncles in the early stages of the Liberator plant production here were working in the factory here, and guess what? About every 20th man was designated on each shift and rotated as part of the designated militia defense force for the factory. Nope, they didn't have garands, they didn't have Springfields. They had pre-turn of the century 1896, 1899, 1998 Craig Jorgensen slash 30-40 Craig rifles. sold that was uh... cutting edge for the militia and the active navy and the active army in most cases were running around about practicing with wooden rifles better than sharp harsh language or women at all you could use now the fancier ones could actually have a bad at log and for the actual had a fake band that that would go on the end of the fake rifle but it gets worse locate not the same time by slayer the bottle of britain we will fight them in the streets will fight them on the beaches will fight them in the air yeah yeah but when they did the problem is if they got none of the chills are one out of maybe twenty men had a fire the rest were all screwed completely you could run around with a club uh... cricket bat There we go, there's an option. But they had many different weapons, which by the way, the British forces were actually serial numbered. Now this is scary. They had what they called a Home Defense, Home Guard Defense Club, which was basically a 2x2 tapered, so it was going out to about a 2x4, like a baseball bat, but very crude, and was serial numbered. Heaven forbid you should get that piece of wood and carry it home. But then they upgraded. Oh yeah, yeah. They had clubs for the younger men because they could flail those younger clothes. Oh, you guys can move those clubs like a caveman. And so they were close in support weapons. Not sharp pointy objects, just clubs. And the next step was the home guard Pike. Pike? That's from Medieval Times. Yes, I know. Mark? That's just... No, sorry kids. What they did is they, now pipe was already in short supply too, but they had to, you know, they took older pipe, 6 foot lengths, stuff that was, you know, out of service, probably a little yucky, cleaned it up inside and out I assume, I can't be sure, and while they didn't have many rifles, they had lots of extra bayonets. for the old Smellies or the SMLE number one mark three or whatever and even earlier the Lee Medford rifles and stuff from the Martini Henry rifles. Nice bayonets, sword bayonets in some cases, really nice bayonets. I'd rather carry that than the club. I'm sorry, don't give me the club, give me the bayonets. Especially if it's like a machete, at least I can hack and chop a little bit. Oh no, you get a club. Because they then took a six foot piece of half inch water pipe And they welded the bayonet to the end of it, put a serial number on it, because heaven forbid you could get away with a home guard pike. It's not a gun, guys. And you were supposed to, as about a 55 to 65-year-old man that was, you know, DXed from the military or not able to get into the military, you were supposed to charge that guy with your club or with your home guard pike. You were supposed to charge that 19 or 25 year old with the MP40 submachine gun or MP38 or hey he could have a number of different weapons. Let's just say that even running into a guy with a K98 Mauser would be a problem if all you've got is a home guard pike. And if you're 65 to 70 years old and if you've got to close the distance of about 60 or 40 or 30 yards, I got this funny feeling the guy with the gun is going to use his bullets. I don't think he's going to be fair play. Oh, he's got a pipe with a bayonet. I'll fix my bayonet and we'll bayonet joust. You think that was going to happen? No. But there's not a whole lot of emphasis on this. They love to show the Spitfires. By the way, the British were down to so few a number of Spitfires that they were repainting the aircraft logo number, you know, the ID numbers. and flying them to different locations so that the German spies would think they had more planes because they had lost so many. But the guns were the big thing. And so the Home Guard Pike and as we know the Home Guard Club were dominant for a bit. Oh there were some falling pieces that hadn't been confiscated and there were one or two other weapons that were from other museums that were handed out to the Home Guard but for the most part they were screwed. And they were screwed because of the inward tenet of control freak government that was in charge. And that is very obvious. But here in America, not much better. They really didn't maintain the system the way they should have. What a surprise. The good thing is, at least we had lots of private weapons. People still own machine guns. A lot of people had personal rifles in good quantity. Many people had brought back a lot of war trophies from World War I, so many a K98, many a LaBelle rifle. many groz rifles all kinds of stuff showed up in the malicious hands here where people were bringing them to the meetings because I picked this up yeah I got this 1918 over there in the Ardeneye yeah it was pretty a lot of fun there I got that thing out yeah I got that hole in my side about the same time but I got that K98 actually probably a Gewehr 98 from that German got his bayonet too didn't get the scabbard though darn it Anyway, the guys showed up with a lot of different unique weapons that really did work and were martial arms. But even if they didn't, the Japanese understood a gun behind every blade of grass. And still we were short. Now, we had a couple of different things that we had to start looking at here in the U.S., including simplification of the designs. But we still played pretty much Cadillac. All that maybe we dropped down to Buick or Oldsmobile level. But by comparison to what was happening in France, oh, that's right, they lost. They got run over. England, oh, they lost really bad. They were heading back. They ran across the channel, leaving most everything on the beaches, or inland just little ways. They got out with their hides and left a whole bunch of their men on the beach. Let's see, in the Pacific, for all the attached parties, Holland, of course Holland and Europe was gone. They had been occupied. They were one of the first occupied. But then Holland, the colonial holdings in New Guinea and Australia, they weren't firmed very well either. They had already been at war for quite some time when Pearl Harbor came about, guys. And most of their weapons had already been captured by the Germans, or captured by the Japanese. It doesn't mean they weren't still fighting, but there was a whole lot of weapons that were already gone. So, here's an interesting thing. Every country had to start looking at alternate solutions. Now, you may not have seen this before, but you'll know where to look now, or at least you'll know what to look for. Does everybody understand that the Princess of the Australians, being the innovative men that they were, took an idea from World War I one step farther, and made a fully automatic bolt-action rifle? Everybody goes, a lot? As a matter of fact, because of casualties, the British mismanaging and sacrificing the Australians, for instance in Southeast Asia, losing them left and right in Africa, and of course later on in other actions that we really look like. all monte casino there's a fiasco and all the international forces got dumped in there in the aussies they got hit just like everybody else with horrific casualties well way before monte casino a lot of brent guns got left in the desert or got captured by the german's or got blue dot so the all these the australians were going to get a whole lot from england because england was trying to rearm its troops don kirk so they had to try to figure out where we're going to get a squad automatic rifle from and somebody said that hey Do you remember the Peterson device? And everybody went, what? Yeah, the Americans came up with this thing using 30 caliber French pistol ammo. and it was called a mark one receiver on the spring field nineteen all three spring field had a little ejection port thing in the side of the receiver i had a few of those guys over the years or anyway they used to give you add a change the floor plate you take out the bowl you put this whole mechanism of locked on top of the nineteen all three spring field and all of a sudden it was a uh... semi-automatic rifle with thirty two round magazine It was designed so that it would be kind of like a poor man's assault rifle for trench warfare. Now a lot more Peterson conversion systems got into the field than the Army wants to acknowledge or that they were keeping track of. And so a lot of men not only saw the Peterson devices but in many cases carried them home because the government didn't have an interest in maintaining the program. Now, I mentioned something also important here. That Peterson device, which was a lock-on mechanism that bolted right onto the Springfield, locked right on, a couple simple locking cam points, taking advantage of the existing bolt system, bolt locking cams, get it? Well, the whole shroud and mechanism dropped in, and it was like a little, some automatic kit that dropped on top of and into the Springfield receiver. No significant modifications and pop pop pop once you can carry it like say with the rifle When you want to use your mark one receiver with a 1903 Springfield you come over Boom Wait a minute looks like we're gonna have some busy work here Ralph keep busy with the with the of the Springfield there and hey Otter, you know, you know jump into that BAR pop pop pop pop pop No problem. Many white Germans did now. Of course that's not good because he probably... Again, that's how he was feeling about it. Anyway, so what we had here was all of a sudden you slap a few parts in, you don't change a barrel or anything guys. It all locked on, clamped into place, and then ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta A number of the French pistols were built in the caliber and the caliber was still in service at the beginning of World War II. The adventure continues for the French. However, the Peterson device went into history. Well, over in Australia, turning back to the beginning of this story, Australia was desperately short Bren guns. They had both the Mark I and the Mark II in service. and they lost out they were going to get more from england they didn't have production they really could keep up with losses but somebody got the cool idea you know what we can take this and on device take the bolt out of the rifle extracted from the very go take it out of the receiver completely now the cool thing about the uh... but pretty schlie enfield the f m l e number one mark three asterisk et cetera et cetera uh... a b c d et cetera All of them were the same basic design. And what they did is the same Peterson concept where the whole mechanism locked right into a standard bolt-action smelly rifle. Little bulky on top, but not really when you consider what they were doing and the Bren gun carrier wasn't a light baby. They put a bipod on the front. Yep. They made a bigger magazine and in some cases even adapted some of the heavier Bren mags. They experimented both ways. There were some models came out of the machine shops with a Bren gun 30 round mag. Otherwise they made elongated standard SMLE type magazines, but you know 20 round capacity and 30 round. The larger were experiment wasn't found to be a failure. The smaller mags or even a 10 round mag worked just fine. So what they had was an improvised weapon halfway between the weight of a BAR, actually still a little lighter than a BAR, with the fire power and the cyclic rate of about a BAR, made from an existing bolt action off the shelf. Hey! Yes, way! Now, the important thing is that this action was all engineered around the existing receiver. So it could be disengaged. Let's say that clunk clunk, beep beep clunk. Oh man, I think that barrel shot on that rifle. Oh no problem, give me another smelly. Bring another rifle over. It would detach all the parts. Slide them over onto the other rifle. And now you got another BAR type SMLE. Of course, they didn't call it a smelly. So wow, you mean you could do that? Well, if you're thinking and you look at the fact that you've got a fine piece of machinery there, What can you do to come up with the next solution? Now was it super complicated? Not really, when you consider how it was made. Did they take advantage of stamped parts? Yes, wherever possible. Did they skimp wherever they could? Oh, you know they did. The one good thing is unlike a lot of other improvised weapons like the Home Guard Pike or the Home Guard Club, at least with the modified SMLE with a full auto option and a 30-round magazine or even a 20-round mag, You actually had some firepower. Now these weapons went to Australian regular forces but also got into the hands of some of the New Guinean forces and even showed up eventually in the hands of some guerrilla forces fighting against the Japanese and other parts of the island complexes around Australia. About 30,000 were converted. right off the bat. Now, the total number is still questionable. Even though Australia had a big anal-retentive control program just like the Brits do with regard to serial numbers and keeping track of things, there was a research project in motion constantly. And because of this, people were allowed to experiment. I mean, you're always looking for better solutions because they were allowed. Man, we need to find a simpler and easier way to make this thing. So there are virtually hundreds, if not thousands, of these kits slash systems that were provided for or sent to relieve pressure where units were begging for or demanding a squad gun and didn't have one. This was a way to pay off or to quiet down anger in the ranks. So again, the system worked. Eventually the Bren gun production caught up to a degree. The Aussies even ended up with VARs just as we ended up with some improvised weapons or other foreign weapons when we showed up in Australia. I might point out that again, just as we had wooden training rifles at the beginning of World War II, also men were sent over to Australia with absolutely no weapons at all. If you get a chance, hard to find a little footnote on this, even though the activity of the Japanese is mentioned, but like a lot of these other embarrassing actions, they're not really wanting to talk about what happened with the American Expeditionary Force when it first showed up. About 3,000 men hit the beach. The Brisbane line is what it was called. Basically they landed in Brisbane. They were showing up in their class A's. They had the old frying pan type helmet. Minimal gear. Everything was short. The idea was to get manpower where they could stem the tide and hopefully defend Australia. Because Australia's troops are in North Africa. Australia's troops are in Southeast Asia. So we showed up and if the home guard was poorly armed, guess what? The US troops had little to nothing. So what happened is they scraped the barrel, they found everything they could, and the whole unit was outfitted, initially armed, with two Maxim machine guns that were actually war trophies from World War I. They had a few cans of ammo that were part of the museum display where they were pulled from, from one of the Australian equivalent to the VFW. In addition to that, they had everything from 22 gallery guns, 22 short, gallery gun single shot rifles, men were issued with nothing but a six shot short bulldog pistol in 22 caliber. The gentleman that I know who was part of this, he was one of the lucky few, he had a 333 BSA custom elephant rifle. It was a custom caliber, custom built and 20 rounds of ammunition. As he pointed out, that was it. Nobody else had the rifle, nobody else had the ammunition. The only ammunition that the Australians could scrounge up was with the rifle. But he was better off than the guy next to him who had a Winchester Gallery pump gun and the other guy that had a single shot .22 that was from an unknown manufacturer. and everybody else in the line was set up that way. Now, no artillery. There were six guns defending Brisbane Harbor. There were two Maxim machine guns for the Americans, maybe some more stuff that the Aussies had. They dug trench works, setting up defenses, and they put three strands of butter wire in front of them. And that was supposed to stop the Imperial Japanese landing forces. well you know that would work actually the four-hour but still uh... you know it's like everybody else i wouldn't fight with fill in the blank well are american soldiers were deployed an issue this stuff guys This is part of history. This is not something we all they're trying to bury this stuff. They're going with we are a superpower You never did anything. We are so strong in Vietnam course Then you got CGBS for you know for like World War two you know with all the stuff to do it now It's like now people are doing triple somersaults, and you know flying through whatever you know and lining on their feet whoa No, but they were martial arts experts in Kung Fu which nobody even heard it Kung Fu hardly back in the day But what can I say? Anyway, so the Brisbane Line, interesting end of the story is that the Japanese came in with a landing force and with a combat group, a battle group, flush with victories over and over again. They came into Brisbane Harbor, made one circuit of the harbor, made one loop of the harbor, turned around and left. Now when they came in the harbor, oh, the old spincure factor was so high that you couldn't have driven a needle up someone's hind end with a sledgehammer. But as the Japanese turned, everybody's mouth dropped, as I am told by our friends, that the people that were there, and everybody's like, I don't know what's going on, but whatever it is, it's good. The Japanese lack of confidence. In reality, there were a total of six guns of any significant caliber to defend the whole harbor. There were no field pieces for the American units on the ground and what little artillery that was left were mostly the 75, you know, World War I era reserve guns that were in minimal service. That was it. Other than that, three strands of barbed wire. Wow, whoopee. No mines, no any tank weapons per se except you want to run up and climb on the back of the vehicle and hopefully it didn't lock the hatch and maybe nobody will rake you off the vehicle while you're busy putting some pistol rounds in through the roof hatch. That would be about it. So that's the scenario for the beginning of World War II. That's why when you talk about Guadalcanal guys, Think of it as a dog fight because we didn't go in any better equipped nor any better outfitted nor any better fed than the Japanese. It was a meat grinder and it was a horrific meat grinder because hey you got to slug it out person to person. The Marines didn't fare any better. Now again all of these units were looking for and in fact did improvise in a lot of different ways. We picked up the boys 55 caliber rifle from Canada. and actually employed it. A foreign weapon integrated into the American service, the Marines used it and the Army used the boys at Guadalcanal quite successfully. Other weapons were experimented with or were modified depending upon the situation. The first garand that came in it was realized, man, there's a lot of Japanese and not a whole lot of time to think about it. So the toothpick technique was used to modify the Sears without modifying the weapon. Simply a toothpick locking back one of the Sears. I won't say any more, but think about the process. It meant that you had a very high cyclic rate 8 shot BAR. And if you got 500 Japanese in front of you wall to wall and you decide to lay that thing sideways, every round will hit somebody because they're so close you ain't going to miss. And that was a little, again, cheap modification, nothing more than a toothpick, designed so that if it broke or failed, the weapon would continue to function without having to fear disassembling the weapon and having a weapon that was useless in your hands. So that was another little trick. Why? Well, for instance, the Marines used a three-man fire team at the time, and they used a Springfielder Garand, one man with a Ricing submachine gunner at Thompson, and the other man with a BAR. That was a fire team. Now this actually was quite successful and this meant that the squad was distributed a little differently and actually had pretty decent fire power. One man was a marksman slash rifleman. Anyway, the different armament was designed so that it offered unique combinations in firepower. This was critical to the overall operation and became quite successful. So when you look at the beginning of Special World War II, understand that nothing was standard. Everything was a hodgepodge and it was whatever you could drag away or carry down the road. The Marines bought all their own stuff by the way. They bought their own weapons systems so they wouldn't be competing with the Army for the inventory, for the available resources. At the time, in the beginning of the war, they actually instead of the BAR, they had the Johnson semi-automatic rifle, or forgive me, automatic rifle, a BAR type rifle, side magazine fed. They had the Johnson snail drum feed, 10 shots, some automatic rifle. As common or more common at that point than the Grand or the Springfield. Actually, Springfield might have topped out the Johnson because it was only in service for a while before the Marines finally started getting the Grand in good numbers. But the Marines did not start out with the Grand. They had their own weapon systems. They had the Johnson light, or the Johnson semi-automatic rifle for infantry. The squad gun was a Johnson auto rifle. They had the ricing submachine gun. Now, the ricing is an interesting weapon because it was a submachine gun that was also offered commercially in private circles as a carbine. The only difference, let me hint at this, if anybody ever sees a ricing at a yard sale, okay, The only difference between a ricing carbine and a ricing submachine gun, because they were sold without anybody worrying about the difference, is that there was a push rod designed to operate the selector sear, so it could go from semi to full auto. Well, to sell it as a carbine, they simply took the push rod, it's almost like coat hanger wire guys, out of the weapons and sold them all over the country, right through the 50s and into the early 60s. Oh yeah, in fact they would show up at the gun shows for about $75 apiece because nobody wanted them. Even though they were the only .45 caliber carbine out there you could buy that was reasonable. Now interestingly enough you've got to look at the racing to inform me to explain that it was not, did not have a standard charging handle. It worked with a very unique process with the way it operated. But it was simple, I mean it was a submachine gun so it actually was quite simple for the day. The Marines would either swear by it or swear at it. Take your pick. It depends on the gun. And for that reason, they still popped up in many different locations in their native form, handed over to the, for instance, Gorilla fighters, Resistance fighters all over the Philippines. They showed up in Indonesia, Malaysia. They showed up anywhere the Japanese were. They were dropped in or pushed in by a submarine and they were issued out because that way weapons didn't go to waste. In other cases, the weapons came back to the U.S. and were put into the strategic reserve, issued out to militia units. Marine militia and regular militia from all of the states volunteer or regiment it. Either way. So, what else happened? Well, let's get back to the British here. I know we're running out of time. The British are desperate. Now the Australians can't get Bren guns from them because, and they can't build enough because, the Brits lost all theirs at Dunkirk. So they're at least chugging out prioritized production there, but they need something to fill the gap and something they can get out to a lot of troops quick. And the submachine gun offers a lot of firepower. But, just as they lost a lot of weapons, So England also lost the lion's share of its strategic forward reserve deployment in ammunition of all types. What to do? What to do? Well, a research group said, hey, I got an idea here. We can make this thing out of tubular metal. It doesn't have to be all that great a quality. We can drop the quality and standards that we have for all of our other firearms on this thing. Make it out of tubular metal. Give it about a short submachine gun barrel. minimal threaded parts, no screw parts if at all possible, a handful of springs, everything locks and pins together and twists together or is under tension. And it'll take a 32-round magazine and it'll be a 9mm which is standard for the stuff we have and if the Germans show up we take theirs. Oh great! And so the Sten gun project began. Now, initially the Sten gun was all non-strategic parts. And you know I've talked about this before on Weapons Wednesday, but I want to emphasize this gun was made in every garage and basement. No, not the whole gun. Let's say Don has a drill press, and there is one part that needs to be drilled. Don would get a case of raw metal, a jig that would go on his drill press, and he would start the motor up. and he would simply of course you get so many drill bits buddy better lubricate the metal he better make sure you've got everything properly lined up a oil was always in short supply the machine tools were priceless and the time with the viet and so don would start the drill and put the part of the jig and will remember and i'll come back and he throw over the person and then he do another one but i think and i'm going to let me get really good at it really really good and had a little test jig too so you can find out that little widget party made work well then albedo every six o'clock at night or every second day at six o'clock and i see on tuesday's and thursday's uh... you know ralph and uh... couple of the guys which show up with a little pickup truck paid on how you do it or just like i will go to what you got four thaw got four times apart there and they've thrown the back of the pickup truck and the governor and another garage would be all these buckets And just like Pink Floyd, they would take all these odd little widgets and all these little bent pieces of metal and a couple of screws, because that's all they got for the whole thing, guys. Two screws cut, hold the cover plate for the trigger housing in place and for the covering the sear. It's a dust cover. That's it. The only other threading is for screwing in the barrel, the barrel shroud assembly, which also holds the trunnion, the block that holds the barrel. That's it. Everything else is pins. Everything else is under tension and a twisty or something that you work it into place and it stays on its own volition because of tension or tabs. And by the time they were done in a few seconds, we clink, clunk, clunk. Oh, wait a minute. Let's see. We got one or two things. We got a solder. Did I say solder? I didn't say weld, did I? Oh, some of these were brazed. Forgive me. We would call it, it's on the edge of soldering. But we're talking the crudest form of metal connecting, you can imagine. They actually brazed these things together, and they held. Hey, yes, way. And by the time they were done, they ended up with the Sten Mark II submachine gun. Now there was a Mark I, and it got out there in some numbers right away, guys. In fact, Home Guard said, well, the squad leaders got something new. Yeah, one man out of maybe 20 or 50 got another weapon to give them some firepower so the other guys could use their clubs. Anyway, tell you what, I heard another voice. Who do we have? Oh, okay, well, maybe we have a caller. Anyway, interestingly enough, the Sten gun showed up and the Mark 1, it was all over the place, it was tested. Immediately the Mark 2 was in production because, not so much flaws, but guys, they found ways to make things even cheaper. Now, in the earliest stages, the idea was minimal working parts. If they could take the part off and not need it, it was not built. Why? Because they needed that sheet metal for planes, tanks, light machine guns, heavy machine guns, anti-tank weapons, you name it. So all of a sudden, in the troops hands shows up this really nice, simple design submachine gun and it's actually quite reliable. Now most people don't know that the lifespan of the Sten gun was to be no more. It was expected to be out of service within six months and survive no more than two years of constant service. 40 years later, those same guns would still be in the hands of either British soldiers in reserve or in foreign countries sold to other countries on the render revolution market by the, by stacks like cordwood and would still be functioning way past the six to two year mark, guys, six months to two years. Now the other thing about the Sten gun, which by the way could be made in any place in the United States that had any kind of tools whatsoever, any kind of tools and to be modified to use pistol magazines instead of submachine gun mags. Oh, wait a minute. You mean like those 16 round Glocks? You mean I could make a magazine well that would go on the side of the Sten type weapon that I could use pop pop pop on a pistol and I say throw me a mag and somebody throws me a mag and I could take a 16 or 15 round Glock mag and shove it in the magazine well and put up put up put about put about But about, yeah, I could keep fighting. Now, understand this, even though it was a submachine gun, the ammunition supply did not change as far as critical measure for almost a year, going on two with regard to England's situation after Dunkirk. Because of this, the Sten gun had to be built with a single shot semi-auto option. That is the only complicated variant in this weapon. It could have been simplified to one other step and they could have dropped the semi-auto option altogether, but wait, most of these troops had never handled a submachine gun. Nobody had any training time because nobody could afford to spend any money shooting ammunition that we might need to shoot Germans. Yeah, the Brits might need to shoot Joymans. And so instead, the idea was, well, we'll give them a few familiar rounds. Here's 10 rounds. Try this out in semi-auto. Pock. Pock. Oh, slow down there, son. Slow down. Pock. And after you got your 10 rounds for familiarization, shut up and take the rest of your got and be lucky, be thankful you got two boxes of 32 rounds each. Or a couple of big piles or chicklet handfuls out of a gunny box. Okay? So that was one of the issues with the STEN, even though it was available as a submachine gun. Only designated and more experienced individuals initially were allowed to use it as a submachine gun. Now, it didn't mean that people didn't flick the switch and use it however they wanted anyway if they were in a tight situation. We know that. And that was expected. In fact, in combat, frontline units obviously would consume ammo. That was expected. And it was a submachine gun. Duh. So we knew that was, you know, everybody knew that was going to happen. Well, here's the kicker. What do you think it would cost for a submachine gun like this? Go take a look at a picture of the Sten. Go take a look at it. It's all steel. It is, in fact, a steel stock, tubular steel stock, flat butt plate rear end. Nothing that was done was wasted. Any energy cutting one part, in many cases, made another part for something else. Example, you might notice the holes that are cut in the stock to lighten it a little bit and create a point for clipping the sling ring, by the way. Well, and there were a couple different locations. Those circles that you see that they cut out of the stock were then punched or drilled and turned into washers for other heavier weapons. Hey, yes way. Nothing went to waste. everything went from one step to the next so here now we get back to the price we make how much would you pay a it's got a thirty two round magazine a it can be disassembled broken down and is no longer than the it can be broken into a package as small as the length of the receiver to the weapon they can be quickly disassembled for cleaning or for barrel change and reassembled in approximately thirty five seconds oh yeah i think that the eddie that easy that simple are both can be replaced just about as quickly Now, interestingly enough, all steel, flat gray finish, painted, sometimes parkerized, mostly painted. What would you pay to have this weapon made? Now, remember this has got a rifle barrel, minimally. Some of them were made with smoothbore barrels, because they were in a hurry with the Mark 1's and the early Mark 2's. So, better a barrel, it's a submachine gun, spray and pray. Well, hopefully, spray, don't pray, aim. But, what, $50? $40? $100? No peak production for the Bren gun mark 2 was $2.75 per gun including the cost of one stick 32 round magazine. No, oh yeah. Now consider that after the mark 1 and the mark 2 were built the mark 2 being the more dominant round more dominant stand They also looked at other ways to build this tent. What if we make a clamshell system? You've seen the Mark III's that are out there. Also, let's make it fancier. Now that we're winning the war, they made the stocks fancier. They actually tried to come up with a better grip system in different ways. They made what's called an airborne pistol grip, which is also by the way known as a Gorilla Hitman pistol grip. uh... that was purely became right out of the back of the weapon but instead of the buttstock it had a simple pistol grip you could take the weapon and lay the mag inside a coat lay the pistol grip literally on your chest over your heart and the gun could fit fairly well concealed when you want to bring it out it's a natural motion to regret grip them grip those side of the weapon bring it up holding the pistol grip and put it together it together together together together together change mag time to leave so that works $2.75 totally improvised. It was probably the cheapest weapon to build of the war. There were only one or two other zip guns that were cheaper, and even then I think they cost as much as the Sten gun. Think about that. In peak production point, because of every garage, every basement, every grandma, grandmas were brought a little hammer, and a hammer, actually it was a mandrel, and a hammer, and what they did is they had a pattern. They came in with a bunch of flag steel, just long strips of steel, that were cut to a certain length for Grandma. All Grandma had to do was sit there, while she was listening to the radio and listening to Winston or listening to somebody else tell them about the war effort, or listening to the London Philharmonic Orchestra. They would sit there with a hammer and go tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Then they'd get to the other end of the metal and go tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. By the time they were done, they would end up with a trigger guard. No way! Grandma could make hundreds of trigger guards. Thousands of them. She's really good. Probably over a thousand trigger guards a day. Who knows? They all went to the bucket. The bucket was marked trigger guards. The truck showed up. Just like down the street with Donald's drill press. Okay, Martha with her little mandrel and her hammer, the animal system, was building trigger guards. You're saying we can't do this? No, I go one step farther. Because you see, there's another combination. That would be your, that would fit a nice niche in a 9mm weapon down the road in the future when we have to look at, you know, problems. But the difference is the only thing that has to change, engineering wise, I wouldn't change anything on the design, even leave the magazine while on the side, don't put it on the bottom, because the stem allows you to get really close to the ground, something most people don't think about. Take cover, take cover, take cover. Well, the other thing is that you would want to modify it so that, like I said earlier, we'll take, for instance, the most common submachine gun or pistol magazine on the market. Why Glock? Why did I mention Glock? Because there's a whole bunch of Glock mags that are actually 20 rounders and 30 rounders and 35 rounders out there. Which means you've got a submachine gun size magazine that could be affixed to a modernized Sten gun. Are there other things that could be modified? Well guys, $10 for $12.50, M16A1 or M16E1 butt stocks. Now if I take an old buffer tube and I affix that with a piece of threaded stock to the lower step in a Sten gun type rear base plate for the receiver, I have a really cool modern stock that's very comfortable. and I could even use the pistol grip off the M16. Wow, that's already made. And again, let's see, 10 of them at the, at the Nob Creek for as low as $8. 10 M16 pistol grips for $8. Now I'm going to use a screw to hold that pistol grip in place. So I've got a new pistol grip. I've got a really nice, you know, plastic stock to go on the weapon or, you know, modified stock, very comfortable. And I'm familiar with it too, by the way. And I've got a pistol-type magazine well, which means I've got an interesting idea there. I can even go with a foregrip, which the Stenga never had. And that is by using a number of different shells or shields. I would experiment with again the M16 series, the family, whacking it down to a certain length and then affixing it with a couple of stand-off screws and a collet to go around the end. What does this give me? It gives me a shroud and a double panel so my little paw doesn't get burned on that fore shroud of the Sten gun. Wow, with minimal modification and junk parts off the shelf, And in fact, if need be, just using a standard Sten gun mag, by the way, still only about $6 apiece, guys. Still the cheapest, one of the two cheapest submachine gun mags available for project work. The Sten submachine gun mag, 32 round, 9 millimeter. And the Grease Gun magazine, which still runs about $68 if you look around, you'll find them that cheap. They used to be $2 apiece. We used to buy them for as little as 50 cents apiece. In the wrapper, never issued brand new World War II. We have thousands and tens of thousands of them stored. That's not an exaggeration. We have thousands and tens and tens and tens of thousands of them stored. We made deals and bought them for 75 cents apiece. see how that works, but they're not going to be around forever and other mags are cheaper and readily available and brand new, never used or seldom used and gives you the opportunity to put together a system if you had to have a defense weapon system that you were going to build to help protect America. Here's a quick solution and you aren't going to be gouged by HK or any of these other foreign manufacturers trying to war profit in every direction. Now let's turn to one last idea, because we're at the top just about, and I want you to look up Volksgrenadier rifles, the VG-1 and the VG-2 Volksgrenadier assault rifles. Both of them were made in beer can plants. And if the Sten gun was only $2.75 a piece to make, the VG-1 and 2s made in beer can plants in Germany and fortress cities, cost about $3.80 to make. Plus or minus depending upon what parts they used the VGs used a standard 8 millimeter stem gashoot stem gabir Assault rifle mag 30-rounder Bieber boardstock pressed fittings pinned with no screws it all got put together and once it was together you used it till it broke So simple it's ridiculous guys. Anyway, we got a change over here. We got Craig coming up right behind us God bless the Republic Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen The Empire is on the run, and we're on the mark. We'll be back at 8 o'clock, but meanwhile, stay tuned. Lots more live broadcasting right here on Liberty Tree Radio. Bye-bye. Where have all the military surplus stores gone? Don't worry, you don't need one, because everything you need at Military Surplus is at mainmilitary.com. 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