August 4, 2010
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57m
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Mark Koernke and Don discussed firearm ergonomics and design, focusing extensively on the 1911 pistol and its A1 modifications, the FN P90 bullpup rifle, and various concealed carry configurations. The conversation shifted to night vision technology, thermal imaging, and tactical equipment preparation for potential deployments, including discussions of chemical agent defense, gas masks, and water systems. Topics included longevity studies showing diet and smoking were not determining factors in centenarians, hunting and self-sufficiency, and preparedness for border security scenarios.
- 1911 pistol
- ergonomics
- firearm design
- p90 rifle
- night vision
- thermal imaging
- gas mask
- chemical agents
- tactical deployment
- militia
- preparedness
- self-defense
- weapon systems
- concealed carry
- border security
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Live 365. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press. And you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic in each God-given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke he'd vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? libertytreeradio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are live 365, then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, and ultra net technologies, both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska. We were in the Hallmark network on the Eastern Seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida, across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed towards Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, all third of Wyoming, and then Iowa slash IOA. Well then, over across, whoa, leaping across the big muddy, ooh, ooh, ooh, landing on the other side, tromping through. That's right, the Smokies. The Blue Ridge, well, that's the Golden Spike Project coming from two directions and more all at once. uh... we have a part of the beaches saturday party to be to saturday party on the beach this saturday meeting at the restaurant sunday meeting at the restaurant sunday meeting at the restaurant on sunday and it's been pretty busy in general don't it is a special day today what they use it sir market for content again august you guys that you don't don't be surprised when you hear chamber but the magazine is in the well with his weapon one day the perimeter is and there's more magazine And we're now ready to rock and roll with the best of them right here on Liberty Tree Radio. Well, that's right. What we're doing is making sure that they're very ergonomically designed 45, considering its size and age, is very, very much going to do the job. It's very much in service and ready to rock and roll. So I want to touch on ergonomics a little bit because, you know, there's only one real 1911. One M 1911. Most people don't realize that. Well, no, Mark. There's a 1911, there's a 1911 A1. There's a Commander's Monitor. Well, there are short. Yeah, that's not a little differentiation. I'm talking about military government models. You know, we got like an M1911. And then we have the A1. But the most important thing to understand about that A1 designation, guys, is that it had nothing to do with the mechanical operation of the pistol. Nothing. Everything on the weapon as far as mechanical function from Browning's original design stayed exactly as it was. The weapon discharges, the slide is carried to the rear, the empty case is extracted, the other case is picked up out of the magazine well. from the magazine and it slid into the chamber, everything locks and you're ready to pull the trigger again because needless to say the whole shear and everything went back in operation, the hammer returned to the location and everything was locked into place. Okay, but the A1 model had to do with ergonomics. Two little changes which you really don't notice very easily. Now one, could be done to any 1911, so in other words you could kind of make a 1911 A-half. Because you couldn't do the other half. Around, I'll cover the most important one that couldn't really, you know, could be changed with a Dremel tool or a grinder, but the armors didn't bother. In the original 1911, if you look where the back of the pistol trigger ring is, you know, you've got the ring where your finger goes into the groove, like into the stirrup. Well, the backside of that used to be just a flat cut and it was all a flat, flat surface right up to where the metal was beveled in behind the trigger. And this was not a problem, at least it didn't appear to be, but upon experimenting with a number of shooters out there, it was found that A, they wanted to in the palm of the hand and number two it appeared that some people had little shorter fingers and others and so it was slightly inconvenience to use the 45 in that present configuration so what they did the A1 is they milled on an angle the back area of the trigger guard the back area behind the trigger the actual frame And then they did something, this is why they can be a half model, they simply put an extension or an expansion of the back strap on the mainspring housing. Instead of it being flat, if you look you'll see that the first models are flat, right to the, you know, they're a perfect trim line, straight straight. But the next model, the A1, which is the only other official military model made, The A1 has an extension so that when you think about it, when you hold it, it actually fills in that area where the V is in your palm. When you start to scrunch your hand together, if you're looking at your palm and you don't close your fingers, you'll notice all your worry lines there. You've got what basically makes up kind of an M or a W depending on how you're looking at it. It's an M if you're looking at it and you hold your thumb up. Well, right where that V is in that M is where your, it was kind of left hollow. And so, Don, what Browning did is he found a way, you know, again, what they were looking at the part with this issue that was discussed. It was like, no problem, we'll do this. And so they came up with this expansion or extension of the mainspring housing. And then they just did a little more milling at the factory. Just one on one side, and one on the other side, and then finished the pistol and it was done. Now, to make a half model, all you'd have to do if you had a 1911 is just switch out the mainspring housing, and most of what you wanted to do would already be there. uh... custom gunsmiths smith do much much much much more with forty five i mean triggered jobs and barrel jobs you know compensators event on your done it's a few can be a phase plasma rifle forty five will is absolutely can go from its standard field grade which is still pretty accurate to an absolute tack driver you can take that weapon to its extreme and all the parts in between so you can make a half a quarter a fifth of a model whatever you want to change out leave everything else the same guess what it'll still work That's the really neat thing about the 45. Now, I wanted to bring up something else though here, Don, because this is a Star Wars blaster. It truly, truly is. But it's a forced, what I would have to call a forced, aeroconomics design. It's not forced upon the gun, but the gun itself is designed to force the shooter into a certain physical action. All weapons do that to a degree, because in order to get them to work, you have to operate a certain way. But the PS90, oh, there's a weapon some people love and other people hate. Now, it's in that new 5.7 round that everybody's familiar with, where you're mostly have seen this gun, and where it first came into public eyeballing, which is almost always the case with weapons like this, is in television. Eventually with the movie came the television series SG-1, Stargate 1. Well, they had to come up with something that was unique. So lo and behold, they found the FN, you know, the FN-90, okay, this little rifle. Now it's got the short barrel, it's got the little Star Wars submachine gun blaster barrel on it. And the big claim to fame on this weapon is large magazine capacity and the ammunition is stored perpendicular to the barrel. Now that's a plumber's nightmare which I won't be discussing. As long as it works, it works beautifully. The day it stops working is the day you're in a whole world of hurting. However, interesting design. But I'm not going to look at the magazine or the rest. I'm looking at the stocks, Don. Now the stocks literally are two scalloped pistol grips, but they're sculpted into each other. Now, if any of you have ever been a shooter, you know, one of the things we try to do, you see this in a few movies where they tell the guy, hey, get your elbow in, you know, get your elbow in, you know, bring your elbow in, yeah, right, right. And, you know, the person has a tendency to shoot in a certain way, which I understand. But, you know, again, for the instructors, they're trying to do it the other way. Well, interestingly enough, the PS-90 literally forces the shooter into a specific stance that they can't really avoid. By the nature of the way the stock is down, it's a bullpup to begin with, I mean for all practical purposes, I'll bet even though there's no mag underneath, the design is very compact and very short. The rear pistol grip brings the hand right up into the armpit just about. And if you look, any of you have ever done long range or stabilized combat shooting. The most important thing is that all of your body parts, one be supporting the other. Well, by setting up this dual pistol grip, what you've done is actually forced a tripod configuration of the hands and the arms combined with the body that makes the gun very, very stable in operation. It is uglier than sin. It doesn't look like it should make a whole lot of sense, and for a lot of situations it really wouldn't necessarily apply. But if you want to look at what Mark always talks about, he says, ergonomic, you know, ergonomic design. Consider that when they build the stock, you've got all kinds of pictures, and by the way if you want to see a picture of the PS-90, well you can go obviously to Google, but you can go to mainmilitary.com, mainmilitary.com, mainmilitary.com and go into the weapons and start scrolling around. There's a very nice white background silhouette shot of this rifle which gives you a chance to look at the design of the weapon. Now then go to YouTube or ViewFlicks or Google Video and check out videos of the PS9 in action. It'll give you a chance to see what I'm talking about, about what it forces the shooter to do. Now this is a plus and a minus because it actually, well it does force the shooter into a certain platform stance, Don. The other problem is it also limits movement to a degree. Yeah, this can create problems that are, you know, again have to be compensated for. So Or it may not be compi- you'll be able to compensate for at all. So another thing to consider when you're looking at this weapon system. Interesting design. I want you to stare at it a little bit. Check it out. And then think, consider what I was talking about, about how it puts the shooter into the position. That's an example of ergonomics to the extreme with a, you know, very narrow and specific agenda on the part of the shooter. And it was done by the engineer and the people with their philosophy about the firearm itself. So another thing to think about, there are many other bullpup designs, you know that, they're pretty interesting. In this case, it's really a quasi bullpup. It has the bullpup silhouette in terms of length and in terms of barrel length, except that unlike most bullpups, which put the magazine behind the pistol grip, the trigger pistol grip, in this case, the ammunition actually is platform stationed above the receiver, and it's laying in a large capacity mag that is The ammunition is perpendicular to the barrel. That's a really unique feature of this. It makes a 90 degree turn in order to be chambered. It does ratchet well, but guys, when it stops ratcheting, that can be a big problem because you may not even be able to deal with the malfunction. The armor ends up dealing with it, or you end up having to fall back to the rear. It doesn't mean that can't happen with every other firearm we have out there. We know that. That's why we deal with something we talked about in the last hour of immediate action drills. and it's something needs to be looked at. Going back to that 45, Don, you mentioned there are a whole bunch of other lengths in 45 to, you know, again, this is for carrying for the most part, but that even in itself is an ergonomic issue. So what can we find in a 45 in the smaller frame and smaller barrel? Oh, you guys, you can get a 45 down to something that looks almost as so weight, like a 380 or something, because it's only four in the magazine and one in the tube. get that dinky now you have to understand the barrel is shorter and you think oh my gosh that's going to be quite the gun to shoot well the event time you know the bullet in the barrel it's not going to be a hard kicking gun it's going to kick a little more than a you know standard length 1911 it's got a little less major consideration but you can get 45 again four or five round magazine barely there think you've got a good and you know as skinny as it can be built the point where the little dinky once again, five in the magazine, one in the chamber, put that in your blue jean pocket, hardly anybody would notice. Interestingly enough, and there are also now, and this is something where you start moving in another direction, it's rather interesting, we shortened the weapon but now we've got staggered magazine 1911 cut frames, which of course they're really not 1911, the basic 1911 axis, they're the basic lines are there. But we're talking anywhere from a 9 or to a 10 to an 11 shot staggered magazine hideaway gun similar to what you're talking about Don. And they're out there. Llama even makes one by the way. And so do several other companies that make just chop shop versions of the 45 in tiny configuration for either backup guns or as concealed for undercover slash out of sight out of mind work. Something to consider for a little bit, it's a lot of bark. When you start losing barrel, you always lose velocity though. Always remember that. You have to accept that. So then you have to look at, well, what kind of energy do I have left with the round that I have? The one good thing is when you shorten the barrel a little bit on a .45, you still got a .45 caliber slug. That's a lot of lead, guys, no matter how you look at it. It's a lot of metal, so it distributes more weight. Again, I'll bet it delivers more hydrostatic shock, more energy to the target. So it kind of makes up for a little bit of the velocity. It was not hyper-ballistic to begin with. That's the only thing about the .45. Everything we can get out of it, we want to. Typically, here's the thing. They make it a shorter barrel. They make it a shorter frame. Sometimes with a higher capacity, then all of a sudden everybody says, I need super hot loads so I can boost the velocity back up. So there's usually how, again, you're adjusting the carburetor. But you do that on a short... That poor man's flamethrower. Yeah, that's where I'm going. You're right. And in semi-dark conditions, when you can still... Maybe if you're a two-tap kind of guy, you might want to... If you're standing in shadow, maybe you think you've got to make this... Certainly going to let everybody else in the area know where that shot is like that. 45 barrel again keep your flame every bit of powder that's burned and again report Most important your visual report is as critical is the silhouette is as critical as noise It's kind of funny because in a closed-in area guarantee you want to worry about a flashlight every so many seconds if you're pulling the trigger constantly Oh, no the other thing to be addressed you go if you're gonna be shooting and if you got that in and depending on you know, what location we could do that again, but then with how well you know your house it might not hurt to have well you're just you're just you're done that's just you light off a big bore even even something like a back at your ears immediately and then try to figure out who's yelling at you what are you saying you're gonna be talking for the next few days because your ears are gonna be ringing pretty good and alone if you have to go bang bang bang bang again it hurts because you can get make the most of it which in you know fight or the the guy who gets off that fight because you know mark I've heard that side and then drag them in Well if you're going to do that and see on CSI, not to be redundant, you know, that I view on the boob, you know, the idiot box, on CSI, or there's a couple other ones now that are CSI with social imitating them. Well if they could pretty much, you know, some of that stuff wouldn't be too over getting off the fur, you want to yell, get on the ground, I've got a gun, you've kind of in mission met your legal option, you guys. And we've addressed that before. It'd be good to do in 47 of them say that they'd 3 or 9 or whatever, I've got to be part of that. number of people who I told you I'd bring you that quote. Even at like a percentage mark we've talked illegal tomorrow every day, one of your criminals. I'm hoping that's getting smaller every mind you know it is a it is a mindset. We just audio before to you in a moment. Just on the air when I'm just creating and we've talked about we've been shooting paper that if you can shoot that can shoot the lungs and the heart are told when you know the very first time you well when you're in the gun shop and you buy that paper I've gone out in the field with a number of people markets. I could count them on one hand. It's less than a year shot that rabbit and never gone back. Let me go hunting with you, Don, okay? And you know, you take this, go out two or three times and you know, even take shots at things before that and you're overlooking and watching and trying to correct, you know. Finally they hit something and they bring home that rabbit or that, and they never come back out. And that's an, you know, you could say, well, it's a particular type of person because it is. You know, we've talked this hit on this. I've said it a number of times, Mark, and this is something that needs to be said again. Because, you know, I do believe this. When every young person in America, and it kind of, I would be imposing on, this would be my will, impose on, we have lost certain rights of power as we move city and then generations born. Now in particular areas, the right of your go out and steal somebody's car. I do believe about the time you turn 18, maybe 19, you ought to be sent down air hammer or that, and that might seem to some people, but you know, there'd be a number, there'd be a lot more respect. Well, that's instilled in the farmers for life as they see it. And there'd be a few more vegetarians, too. Again, this goes back to some poor animals. Please don't rub it in. It's for those vegetables. You have to understand, though, that's a lifestyle. Very few vegetarians make it to 90, and almost, that's a... that are actually beyond that note their wanting to respond with his program i caught we hours in the morning and it went on all night despite doctor sir the doctors have been studying people of over a hundred years and hundred and ten hundred fifteen years of age and one of the things that they had to kill which really agitated a whole bunch of people after they put this thing out with it not being a vegetarian didn't make them live longer That's right. They were just as likely to be either large meat eaters or light meat eaters or whatever as they were to be anything. All of them ate meat. That wasn't the leap that was brought them over the hump. He actually had to say he referenced this several times through this thing which was three hours on radio, it was live and it was nonstop and he was being interviewed and he went over all these subjects. on aging, on the age population of the planet. That was something you had to keep reinforcing. I know the vegetarians aren't going to like me, but this particular group, none of them were vegetarians either. None of them were omnivores. It was kind of funny because you had to chuckle every time you do that. It's like they just kind of eat everything. It's really not a style. He goes, oh, and by the way, I'm the smoking thing. If you stop smoking, you're going to be over 100. For almost every one of these people smoked at one time or another, it's whether or not they stopped maybe, but they all smoked at one time or another and some of them quite extensively. So that wasn't part of the formula. There's obviously some specific genetic traits we can't physically see in order to be part of this petter, which is what they're trying to figure out, I'm sure. They're just trying to be polite about it. part of it is if you ask, well did you defend yourself when you were younger? I imagine pretty much all of them, especially being over 100 years old, would probably tell you, oh hell yes, do you think they would be here today? And the career would end a lot sooner than 110 or 105 or 117 years. It's kind of interesting. Just a case in point there. We are past the past the bottom of the area. On the weapon systems, I'm going to touch on this before we have to rush because we do have a lot of guys that have asked for the night vision videos. The latest batch just went out. And quick as we're getting the orders, we're sending them right back out in the mail so everybody gets what they have because a lot of people that are ordering are ordering in preparation for the deployment. I understand that. Questions and letters about night vision, in fact, extensively. So one of the things that they've done is they have picked up the night vision videos. But Don, if people want to get hold of you about the technology because they're going to want to pick up something for the deployment or just for personal defense in the future, then how do we get hold of you and what all can we find that you have at that end? Well, you guys, we can talk about night vision goggles. They have a right. We can talk about vision goggles. You can read the names and numbers in the phone book, be it guns, engines, tube goggle systems are great for driving. to continue to waste. We can get a viewer and a monocular, we can get binoculars, we can get two. But it's a matter of education and tools. They're great for keeping eye fatigue down for LPOP applications. You're going to sit in a particular thing. The thing about binoculars is if you bring up binoculars, they're binoculars for a while and then you come to somebody else because you see, let me look through those. You hand them to him, well you're night-lining both eyes until your eyes adjust because your eyes have been looking at that bright little screen there. the right tool for the right application and a monocular might be a good thing because a monocular is a tube like a telescope piece of night vision that you're only one eye only making one pupil though you know that that eye is adjusted for the night time and if you were to hand that device to someone even simply you know bring it down for a moment or look all piece of night vision you know the other eye that isn't affected by the piece of the night vision thing so again you know we can go on and on about oh you can buy a gun sight and never put it on you know what I got over here I've been Except me, let's see if this fits on top of there and now look, I got this sight and you got that gun and now we're a lot stronger. But you know, even to the point that you can put a, you don't have to put it on at night on your property. If you're on your property, it'd be pretty good, you know, walking and looking. Because you know, gun sights, you guys generally, they're too, and even at two power, when you look at your feet, if you point the gun sight down like 45 degrees or even straight down to try to look at your feet, gee, what did I just step on? It's gonna be out of focus. because it's meant to improve that. Over to the one power and arm's length and looking at your feet. Goggles are great for walking down paths. You know, if you're the point man there behind you, he might have or might have a sidearm, he might have a shotgun for that guy with goggles. And I had a shotgun or even a handgun of them or any of the aforementioned, be it the shotgun or the handgun in my holster or pressure pad. We've talked about lasers before, or even with a single tube and a handgun equipped with a laser that's already been zeroed. you can identify the top of a single tube. Bring the gun to barely general direction. If you focus so that you can see the front or even it's going to be a long stretching feet away, you can't make out what it is. So you light up the lake and faster, that's going to be a lot harder to handgun. You know, there's a number one in the dedicated gun sight. But now that pair of goggles, it's going to be awful hard to that handgun 200 yards with your hand. For the right job, a small room full of pop bottles. The Perjola might be a big room, you guys. money I would advise you to at times you know really lousy camouflage you'd be walking along or standing behind the tree and you bring up to the guy standing there and when he you know you've got the book and you see the dummy over there the really that night against the green if you have a even if you have a number of pieces in your group a great addition to that 100 yards with no kind of deal you know Wow in the daytime of light and shadow wouldn't see them video you guys what your device will but again If you've got a good group and have night vision, you should think about adding a piece of thermal because you could use it like a guy that just laid down and by you and looks at you and he might even look bash and you look like a big rock and he just continues to, he might even pan back and look and then he maybe marches over. It doesn't, you know, move a knife, that will leg up and some of the available tech, you're going to be a lot harder to beat on the field. You guys, I'll quit talking. me about night vision after the hour. You can reach me at that old time communication number 231. No, no, actually I wanted to because one thing that's going to happen here, and again, this is expressed more extensively and with the technology in hand with the night vision video, the dual, the two disc. and it's critical to understand that uh... there's more to this and just plug and play if you want to work for you oh yeah you can't want to play you can play you'll learn but you know one of the two things that we know is that you probably don't you probably say that your problem with the by whatever you're gonna buy even if you didn't get anything from dot you probably bought remember that when you tax your system by overkill over you know exposing it you're going to start wearing it out If you have working knowledge to understand how to avoid that, your equipment will work that much longer or that much more efficiently will be that much more reliable. We don't want to have to save more pop bottles up and replace, replace, replace. Instead, we want to do it once, get the job done, get on down the road, and again, sign your resources to other tasks. So knowing how to employ and then deploy the equipment is critical to the overall operation before you get the equipment even. In fact, or as you're making a choice. That's one of the things, while you're making a choice, because that's part of the conflict, or usually the debate going on amongst everybody. Well, I heard this, or I knew about it, and said, well, okay, here, let's look at this from an intelligent perspective and decide based upon all of the other factors brought to play. So going down the border, the bad guys got all kinds of resources, guys. If you look, they've been picking up a little bit of everything and it's been all going south or going north, but either way they've got it in hand. There's a lot of pictures of what's been picked up, what's been acquired. So let's work it out accordingly, let's make sure that we're prepared for that. We're going down to what is not a two-hour movie, it's going to be a non-stop deployment. And this means you're going to have to be serious about all the technology and equipment you have at your disposal. The cool thing is if we get ahold of more thermal, well obviously that would be a plus plus because The aviation assets, as we saw with Minuteman II, the aviation assets could very easily throw into high gear the thermal combined with your first, second, and third generation on the ground. Nothing would get by. Nothing. That's the whole point. And here's the thing. We're doing it with shoestring. The sick part about it is we spend $2 trillion a year in national defense that's failed us completely. What does that tell you? And it can't be by accident. Yeah, exactly. We're busy over there. Well, of course, we're not really even stopping the dope there, Don. All we're doing is shooting at the people to kill the regular population off. We're not even really trying to stop the dope. They weren't even told that. Don't touch the dope dealers. So let's see. Don't touch the dope dealers in Afghanistan, but fight a war. And not know what else is going back and forth. And let's see. Open borders in America where we have the war on terror. Or is that the war on terror? Yeah, or the war to terrorize America, which is really what it's all about. So that's why we have to be prepared for this. We're going to have to deal with ourselves and we're going to have to make sure that when we do get down there, we, you know, again, understand our equipment completely. Weapon systems, personal maintenance and support equipment, our technologies to support the weapon and to continue to function 24-7, which is another thing, which is why the night vision's there, guys. It allows you to work through the evening hours as if it were a day shift. Maybe not 100%, but close enough. And that's a big plus. And just to end of itself right there. First generation makes a big difference just because it brings you a step up. Second and third, more gravy. Okay, more plus plus. So we have a lot of things to prepare for. I know we got a lot of guys that are right now that are trying to make a decision where to go. I remember Don, your number for night vision because when we're done with the program, Dutch is coming up right after us. So when we're done with the program, we sign off and you can call Don right away. You can reach me at 2319-3196. And another thing, PMs. The PM manuals that we have in place, which are designed for militia organization, the militia SOP manual, it's a pocket manual, it's a quarter pager. It fits in your breast pocket, it fits in your field jacket pocket, and it can go into your gear easily, but it's militia SOP, the PM10. If you want to find out more, go to our Liberty Tree radio dot 4MG dot com page, go to the donate key, take a look at what's there, and then plug in accordingly. and you'll find if you scroll down through the donate which is also our your PayPal key I'd list the FM or forgive me the PM's it lists training videos everything else you need our friends down in Austin they got a big pile of stuff out of their way right now I think somebody knows who we're talking to and almost everything has been filled exception of maybe one or two orders are just now being copied But priority was to get the night vision out, obviously all the PMs. And we're looking pretty good. So if you want more or if you want a copy, if you want something for yourself to put in your gear, then this is the way to support LTR. And in the process, pick up the information you need. Personally, I would recommend the recon manual slash tricks of the trade, the PM10 for obvious reasons. The anti-armor is another good one to actually understand because even though we may not use it in this particular exercise, though you never know, most important is that you'll be prepared something you can study while you're in the field and something to be brought up as part of the class, you know, classroom, work when the time comes. The other thing is the night vision DVDs and NBC DVDs. And I recommend also that if you're going to be in this deployment, take a gas mask. the people that you're facing have the ability to employ chemical they're probably not going to go high-end biological but remember everybody has chemical and these guys by right from the police they buy right from the government's they buy right from you know military armories they don't have the restrictions you have so expecting especially think about this it's a night patrol somebody's decided they want to cause some problems for your patrol What they're going to do is fire up a little bit, get you to chase them perhaps, or get you to move. Not necessarily to fix them in location, but to bring you to a particular point. While you think you're moving through a relatively secure area, you take a lung full of something and all of a sudden you're in distress. Psychologically, you don't know what's going on and you typically are going to panic. Now, you have to take command immediately. That's one of the most common problems. But it's designed to disrupt, especially at night. Throwing chemical agent in the path of a moving force is a very, very common trick. It's like a tornado at night, unless there's lightning. That's right. And even if you do, there's night fogs, there's night mist. Some don't really offer that much in the way of a fog even. Some of the capsium oil dispersion systems have little or no signature at all visibly. They're not lethal, but boy, you'll think they were. Oh, you'll be burning, you'll be spewing phlegm in all directions, your eyes will be burning. They'll be watering, you'll be sending buckets of fluid in all directions, it's just the way it is. If you're not careful, now you can restrict that, but you have to immediately take command of the person. The other thing is, the moment that somebody is affected like that, you need to go to protection immediately, which means the gas mass slash protective mass needs to be there. I'm just warning you in advance, everybody's showing everybody all these videos and still pictures of gas, you know, for the first, forgive me, of, you know, half-inch guns and machine guns and submachine guns and every weapon you can imagine and even RPGs, grenades and whatever. Well, looking amongst that pile of grenades, I noticed there wasn't just grenades sitting there. There were CS, well, forgive me, there were smoke or discharges of some kind, probably for CS. Now, what do you think they're using that for? Think about it guys. It's not against the coyotes. Yeah, exactly. It is by the way when you're being pursued. Remember also, chemical dropping, a CSCN grenade or a capsium oil grenade, a capsium particle grenade grenade slash dispersion system is an excellent way to force an aggressor to break contact or at least slow them down. Now if they press through the objective or it looks like they're going to then your most common way to deal with it is just dump one or two more. What you do is you want to be conservative. You drop one, you see what the result is. If they seem to press the attack through the first one, you drop two or three. And as they find out that it's deep, then the aggressor typically is forced to either break contact and change direction for the approach to the target to use the target or they'll stop and they'll don their masks and then proceed. Okay, so that's another thing to think about. Again, I ask you to carry your masks. Get used to the idea of carrying your gas mask. Please. It's just that simple. Other technologies, hey, not the least, which is we know is water carrying systems. We aren't going to hammer on that tonight, but it is something that needs to be touched on every time we talk about this. Water, water, water. Not only for drinking, but let's say we get hit with capsimola, flooding and irrigating is a positive way to deal with a problem. You mentioned a gas mask that you can drink with. or a gas mask that is for you to get on your weapon. Okay, have you ever tried that? Have you ever tried that? It's fuzzy, it's blurry, I can't see a thing. My nose is running too. I'm really having a hard time. Well, what the heck, it looks like there's a blob over there to my left. Maybe I'll just fire on that. Oh, that's Hal. Wait a minute, that was a friendly. Yeah, we don't want to see that happen. So again, I hear the music, we're at the top. Don, your number for night vision one more time, please. Two, three, one, seven, nine, six. 845H. Ura! Kick him in the slaps? That's right, grab him by the scrap of the neck and throw him over that fence back to those mad dog rugbyland Joaoas. That'll just do him fine. From there we can watch them from over the fence as they circle back and forth. And do no harm to anyone from this film. Thank you, John. Thank you, God bless you.