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But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number and you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now his parents trampled each god given right. We only watched him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Evening Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Krunke. And I'm Donald Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, southwest, central, northeast, and west. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com, PBN.4MG.com, and we are on live 365. Then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, and alternate technologies east-west of Mississippi along with southern and central Alaska and the Aleutians. Way over there on the left hand side. The Hallmark Network from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana, Texas Oklahoma, our friends in Nebraska, a lot of the third in Wyoming, and our friends in Iowa slash Iowa. Then back over to the Blue Ridge in the Smokies where we have the Golden Spike Project in motion. Congratulations and thank you ladies and gentlemen for the fine work you're doing. I understand that an excellent meeting this last Sunday. Keep up the good work please. And all the gear got moved the way it was supposed to. Mostly hardware and switching equipment. Don, today's date is... Market is the 14th day of July. You're of our lord, 2000 and 10. Again July 14, Aut 10 you guys and you know that's the strike down the middle of the week on the calendar That means it's Wednesday and you know we got to roll out that weapons Wednesday thing so here it comes It goes like this one in the chamber the slide to battery the magazine and the well and the perimeter is secure it is means we can now offer equal opportunity coercive force. I was going to say, I don't think I'd really probably jump out and grab any one of those anytime soon. I mean, the face plasmon rifle, if we pull it out of one of the Terminator hands or something, but I think a lot of other weapons on my shortlist. I mean, it was these okay. It's out there, but sold a lot of those back in the day. But, you know, there's a lot of heavier weapons that'll do the same job, guys. I mean, range-wise. So let's just think all the way through the toolbox here. We're not going to complain about your toolbox. We're just trying to be creative. Anyway, it is Weapons Wednesday. a couple of things here too to remember. We're seeing a scarfing up of ammunition and equipment, mostly in the first in the handgun categories in Arizona. and this is across the board right now. The more I'm searching different sites in the last 48 hours or so, the more I'm finding out of stock, out of stock, out of stock, out of stock. Oh yes, I got a picture. And Don, when you go to their little inventory of things available, there's a picture initially with the general chart, but then you click to that image going, all right, they've got some Tokarev pistols. And it's like, nope, out of stock, probably not to be re-inventoried. or you know again the lot of the military this is the first thing that's disappearing the former police and county deputy guns that have been turned in they're starting to dry up almost completely those are probably the best buyout there especially in wheel guns model 65's model 66's they're pretty well being snicked up and down the road but we're also seeing that in all these semi-automatic pistols such as the 82's Those were in a comfortable niche at about $209. Not real cheap, not real expensive, you know, kind of right in between. Well, they're starting to dry up, but in certain areas the mags are disappearing. Everybody's realizing, I ain't got enough mags. So when you're buying these weapons, I would recommend if you can scrounge up the money, and I know how it is, try to get at least six mags for that handgun if they're available right there and then. And the reason I say that is because as people realize what their true inventory need is, and especially with more people competing for the same product, what's gonna happen is the mags will disappear and everybody goes, well there's lots of those around because they're listing them. Listing them doesn't mean that they have them. Okay? You guys, you know, guys, I need to interrupt your mark here. You know the first Spitfires mark won? They had 15 seconds worth of ammunition. All of the belts, the cotton belts, the pilot could hold the gun down and it would fight and they would all fire for 15 seconds. That was it. He had to work one, two second bursts and if he came home and I shot down, I got three of the Bosch today. That was some very fine shooting. That meant he had less than, you know, a figure of five seconds on each target. You guys, six magazines in a bad, bad, six magazines are going to be gone in less than one minute. Think of it. You're moving, you're sustaining fire, even the Hollywood where you step around the corner and just fire two for a fat **** running down the alley and fire halfway over your shoulder. You guys, six magazines can hear in one minute. Not hard to do. Exactly, so what we have to look at here is again, whatever you're carrying, more mags or better, bandoliers for the ammunition. If you don't have them, you can make them. Remember, cheapest OD green or earth brown or camouflage cotton cloth, some strapping material from the hardware store that you can get nylon nowadays, but lighter cotton strapping would be a better choice. And stripper clips are out there. You just got to search the country to find out where the stripper clip is for the type of military rifle that you have. On that note, for our Nagant lovers, remember that a lot of the Polish ammunition that just came in here the last three or four months, a lot of that Polish ammunition is in stripper clips. Don't shoot that ammo. take that ammunition and put that in your strategic reserve inventory and if at all possible try to bandolier it up or at the very least isolate it and mark it effectively so that it's easily identified by can what it is. That five round stripper clip means you can load a lot faster no matter what it is. An old 91 Mauser, a K-98, Springfield, a Ross rifle, the straight poles, even the Steyers, they take a man-lincher clip by the way. If your weapon will accept a stripper clip, try to find a company that has them and start putting them on the shelf. and we did get into the last couple hours that we're up today talking about d-clips for the grand. Well guys, the d-clip is unique. You're going to try and scavenge everyone you can, but right now buy what you can and do without lunch. Skimp wherever you can, but buy more d-clips. If you're going to commit to the grand, or you're going to commit to any of these rifles, start spending the money where it needs to be to make sure you have enough of what you need. You know, on that note, one of the things, guys, you might look at this, the average FAL, the official combat load, was supposed to be two mag pouches, two slab, single round per pocket mag pouches for the Germans, okay, one on each suspender. That was two 20 round mags, so there's, hmm, look at that, you're only looking at maybe, what, 80 rounds? If you were carrying the M14, you'll notice if you look in all the illustrations, think about this, the average illustration you see for the Type 56 LBE is a guy carrying two mag pouches, one underneath each suspender strap, remember that? The Type 56 butt pack, couple of canteens, and some other gear. Well, you do the math. It's only a 20 round mag, four mags times 20 is 80 rounds. 80 rounds. No, I hate to tell you, but there's never a time, I don't know how to tell you, I'll be quite honest, there's never a time that I can think of where I carry just 4 mags or 80 rounds of anything in the field. At least... You know what, as a good example, I think each of Custer's men had more than 80 rounds. Yeah, and of course they did. I think they did. Now that's interesting. They weren't in magazines. Oh no. I'm sorry to make that exact in comparison. They weren't in magazines. But you know that was man yeah, and again the thing here guys is you're gonna be carrying more than that But when you do remember the battle weight configuration you look at your weight and ammunition Remember that if you add a mag pouch, that's weight too So you need to be watching and balancing out your combat load However, more ammo and more mags are better, and you are going to end up, I am sure, carrying more than just four mags. Typically, the guys at least doubled up mag pouches, usually tripled them up so they are about the equivalent to a BAR load for every man carrying the M14. And then, and cleared ammunition, plus loose stuff even in other locations as needed just to have a few extra rounds carried around. We're using MBRs in this case, or we're talking about MBRs. If you're using ARs and the AKs, even there, look at the standard combat configuration and that challenge is start doing some research and look at how they depict the riflemen in the respective army carrying the AK or carrying even the M16 or any of its variants by the Koreans or whatever. The official look is basically what we were talking about. You know, one or two mag pouches or one four mag blister pouch, you know, mag pouch for the AK and that's it. Now the East Germans didn't set up like that. In fact, typically they carried two 4-meg pouches. They had them actually engineered so that they canted differently done based upon left and right handed pouch. And you can imagine, remember that's a banana mag. So if it's not at the right angle, you'd start to snag and be a problem to get out. Well, the East Germans actually looked at that, and so the back strap that the carrier hangs on was actually located differently so that the mag pouch on the right side that your left hand's going to have to reach across, if you're using two, was actually at a little bit of a different cant so you didn't have to pull up and try to work the mag out. Instead, it crossed like a kind of like pulling a saber from a scabbard. Whereas the others had more of a straight line positioning because of the nature of how your left hand will operate directly at that location, say on the left side of your body. So interesting, ideas changed or ideas were researched and developed by different countries and different philosophies. Take advantage of their web gear and also perfect and develop what you need. You can alter, but I will say this, if you alter mag pouches or alter support equipment like that, make sure that you use the best quality thread and stitching you can to set up and reconfigure the equipment. If you chance out, you're going to pay for that in injury or loss of equipment later. Well, it might come in. It might get your way. They're saying, just after sundown, that we should get a little bit of sprinkle intermittent and it's kind of moving your way. That would be good. We need a little more rain, help counter the swelter. How does that go? It's been a great day. A feast, a parade, a holiday, and a fortune. Yes, it's been a great day. Not exactly like spring or fall in Michigan. It's a hot, humid day. And we might see some of those hot August nights this year that what's his name used to sing about. We'll see. Now real quick here too, we were on Webgear. One of the things we've talked about, a lot of people are asking, how do we set up the, or what do we carry 50 caliber rounds in? Now there's a couple tricks to that that we found work quite well, haven't we? Well, you can run along a number of different paths in that spot line, Mark. You're right. You're right. I think that there is a 20 round magazine for a 20 round pouch for AR-15, AR-16 mag. And you know what? You can put about 9.50 caliber in that straight up and then about 8, maybe 9 straight down. They don't rattle around and I know it's not exactly. There are some of the marksmen out there that are cringing at the thought. I'll tell you why. We talk about run out. We have addressed it before and we'll do it again here real quick. You guys, a bullet when you push that bolt closed or when the spring throws the bolt back to battery, jumps into that chamber. If it was perfectly manufactured, perfectly, you know, God doesn't build bullets, then the exacting center of the bullet coincides with the exacting center of the bore. And that generally never happens. So you want to get as close to that as you can. And the farther away you get, the more the bullet will want to ballot inside the barrel, and it will want to figure its own way once it leaves. It will go to sleep at a different angle, because that bullet is spinning so fast it at the instant, the microsecond it leaves the barrel, this is with a 22 or a 50 caliber, the duration is just shorter on a 22. A 22 is probably going to go to sleep in about 6 or 10 feet after it leaves the barrel. It's balloting, it's barrel balloting, and it's muzzle balloting are done. Going to sleep means the bullet doesn't have that slight wobble, like you've just thrown the top to the end of the string and it wobbles for a second, and then the centrifugal force in the spin brings it up, single acts, same thing happens with a, it's a shorter duration. Skip used to say a 50 caliber bullet between 150 to 200 yards So, you know, you want to keep that balloting down and you want to keep that one out down to the best of your ability This is one of the reasons why people say that and it's not people say it's it's a well-known fact of the US government bullets that were built until we've got into some of the specialties as of late Well, generally the armor piercing bullet was the most accurate It was built to a greater spec a good category in the Pacific in the 50 caliber as soon as they figured out that the Jimneys weren't fielding aircraft with fast tanks every 50 cal and incendiary round. And it took very short burn into a gas tank to light up a Betty or a Zero or many of the... But, and we were talking earlier in the day, you know that 50 caliber round for a rifle, it's basically, as far as people look at rifle rounds, the 50 caliber, the most versatile round in the world, more things could be done with that half inch gun, putting things in it, this, that or the other. than any other gun, any other single caliber. Now getting back to that run out, because you guys, you can carry a couple of those pouches and you know, 50 caliber ammunition, if you've ever loaded 50, if you've ever loaded 10 50s into a Barrett magazine, that Barrett magazine is, I'm guessing, weighs more than any of your handguns, unless you built a handgun category out of an M16 variant until it's down, until it has to be registered as a handgun. And then even that might weigh less than that 10 rounds in a Barrett magazine. I think you said 44 or 50 caliber 10 mark, 100 rounds on a link? Yeah, the average for a 50 cal can with pretty much any system load is about 44 pounds plus or minus. So there you go you guys, you know do the math take a tenth of that and that four and four tenths pounds is going to weigh more than most handguns built in the world. So you know you can carry it different ways. It's not bad if you're carrying 50 caliber into the field length. I hope you're doing that with a Mod Duce because you know what if you have to D-link them in the field that's going to kind of slow you down. If you're moving into something this is why we talked earlier about The M2 being a, you know, the Mod Goose, the 50 caliber machine gun being a crew serve weapon. You know, it used to go like this, you guys. One guy would carry the gun. One guy would carry the tripod. You got a couple guys carrying ammo boxes. And you know what? That gun, all by itself. If you went to Knob Creek and you were lucky enough or adventurous enough to look at the person and say, can I pick that 50 caliber there on the tip? That 50 caliber, 82 to 84 pounds. Now, just try carrying that for a while, and this is another thing while we encourage teamwork and whatnot, but just try carrying that for a while. You'd much rather turn around and carry a couple of, well, those two boxes of ammunition are each 44 pounds, aren't they? So that about equals out to the gun. So I think I'd want to carry that tripod for a while. Don't exactly remember the weight of the big tripod. So, you know, either way, in any position you choose there in that team, it's going to be a workout, right? It's work, that's right. It's work. Right, but you're working for a future, aren't you? It's not just a pastime, is it? Now, we've seen that gun reduced in a number of ways. As mentioned moments ago, Ronnie Bitts, M82, finds semi-automatic, good portions of it, as you pointed out, Mark, look at an AR-15, look at the meld a little bit of it together, and make it a lot smaller and bigger than the MCG. And look at what you've got. Very fine little piece there. It's limited to a 10-round magazine, but you can smack that magazine right out of there pretty quick. We started to talk about this a couple of weeks ago, Mark. I can get going in 10 different directions trying to talk about this and saying, I'm the first one to admit that. I'm glad that some of you guys put up. I started to talk a couple of weeks ago about different applications. I went on about applications, but We were talking about 50's and you guys, you're going to get a real good M82 that might shoot. Once it's been blue printed and brought down to finding the mix, the cartridge, the motor, the primer, the bullet, the gun, you might find you'll get an M82 down to 10, maybe 9 inches at 1000 yards. A 9 inch M82 at 1000 yards is bragging rights you guys. The basic actions of it being a semi-auto and a sleeve on the barrel and all of the other things that hold that type of gun back to 1911. When we talk about field application, I would, you could throw me that M82 and I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot at the track vehicle, at the rolling vehicle out there at 1,000 because you're going to go bang, bang. You're going to take aim, you're going to shoot again, you're going to take aim, you're going to take aim, you're going to shoot again. At 1,000 yards, if the vehicle came to a stop, And you were pretty certain that you nailed it, you know what I mean? We hammered that one, Frankie, didn't we? Yeah, boss. And then now, Lieutenant... Lieutenant... ...Tini or... Well, that's when I'd look at one of Ronnie's fine bolt guns, or the Amalite, or a Rock McMillan's gun, or maybe even a Spider-Upper, something that's gonna shoot you two or three minutes. Well, now, you know, just over two minutes is the world record, not to say made it even smaller this past... 4th of July mark. But if you've got to fall down into a company these days, that's just 1,000 yards, and that's going to be the gun I'd want to use to shoot a pinpoint target. And just before, you know, you could see him just as he came up. He had that microphone in his hand, and oh darn, up over the hill comes that rotary wing aircraft, you know, that helicopter. Here comes that hind boys, and you know, he's turning right towards us. Well, I'd bring the arm of light to bear on that. I'd get one or two shots off. But you know what? I'd bring that Barrett to Barrett for sure and I would be going bang. I'd feed the magazine into him. And if I had to, or if he wasn't falling out of the sky by that moment, I'd pound another magazine in and continue to punch, punch, punch, punch. When you talk about the difference in the two, we're talking about a sustained rate of fire, and that's a military phrase there, ain't it Mark? Yeah, sustained rate of fire. Sometimes you're gonna come across a park, well that's, bolt action just, you know, what do you want it? that just might not be enough and when you start talking about shooting at something in the air or a vehicle moving kind of rapidly on the ground there's a reason why they built Trait as mentioned before it made it made rookie it made aces out of rookie pilots real quick And again, tracking technology, that was the first solution. And it's been around for quite some time, but it was perfected mostly at Frankfurt Arsenal. That's who did the research on most every trace element system that was out there. And we had that down to a phenomenal science. but it was critical to understanding how to get the drop on. In other words, the very thing you were talking about earlier with aircraft, for instance, you only carry so much ammunition, you've only got so many rounds to get on target, the sooner you're on target with that chain of bullets, the more likely it is you're not going to have to use any more bullets on the target. So that was the objective. That was the purpose behind it. In aerial combat, of course, ground to air for air defense was the next logical solution and also for fire control. As you know, in many manuals, the squad leaders or the platoon leaders use tracers to direct the fire of the squad, the platoon, or other elements for support. Maybe, for instance, tanker, 1,000 yards on my tracer. That boom was that tank following your tracers out to the objective. See how that works? Or the spotter who's going, I cannot identify target, I cannot identify target. Spotter, watch my tracers. Everybody, in fact you may even have the whole fire team do this. Or a squad where you actually have each man, you have a mag with tracers. and everybody lights up an objective. Well, it's like a crisscross, so to speak. There you go. If you can't figure it out from that point forward, I don't know what's going to do you. What's going to help you? So there are techniques. Now, it doesn't mean you have to light 10-minute and don't have to light up an objective. But sometimes, it actually is quite useful. So Tracer can be looked at as one of those tools that if you can access it and put it in the toolbox, don't waste it, save it. No matter how old it is, there's a possibility it'll light up and you'd be amazed. I don't know, Don, for whatever reason, one of my favorites is you'll fire it and then it'll trace activate while it's in the impact area. How many times have you guys been arranged and didn't think you had a trace around and you're wondering why the target's sputtering with smoke and fire? Well, I don't know what that's doing down, but I got like a- This just didn't light up before it had air-traveled enough. Yeah. It didn't start to show its trace. So it's spitting like a little horizontal volcano, which is really kind of neat. I mean, coming straight out of the backstop area, we've seen that. Especially it's obvious when it's low towards the sunset, you know, you were thinking, man, we got a few more rounds to fire, and then you fire, and everybody has to stop for a minute and look over their guns, because they're trying to figure out what's wrong with that target. Or what's that- What's that sizzling in the backstop area? The first winter we moved here, Mark. The first year we moved here. And back in 96th by Cracky, you know I can say that. I had a friend came up and he brought his AK and it was brand new. And he had some 20 round magazines and we stood on one side of the creek. He lit up the base of one tree. I knew it was going to be cut down. I knew my neighbors were going to build there. He just lit up the base of that tree with that full magazine. We stood there for a moment. It took me a second to figure out what was going on. But we were looking at exactly what you said. The base of that tree glowed through the snow. You could see he had just in maybe seven seconds, maybe five seconds, put that 20 rounds into about a four-inch group at about 45 yards. And you watch that glow for more than a moment. All those tracers were in there and started to light off inside the tree. I watched that. That was pretty... It was like the invaders being from a dying planet. Yeah. Well, you know, and again, that's something that a lot of ammunition sold. This is what we talked about too with the PTR32s, guys. You don't know what you're possibly loading in because Hugo of Warsaw may have had a production run problem that day, and they said load up so many rounds, and he's like, well, we've got nothing but tracer left, and they said, well, load them up anyway. Well, do we worry about marking them? Ah, who cares? I mean that happens all the time. AP, incendiary, tracer, so don't be surprised. Another thing is ammunition is passed from one country to the next. It's then finally sold on the open market. It wears out. Stuff wears. It just falls off for lack of quality control. That happens a lot. So the lacquer paint that may have been used to mark that tracer or that incendiary has fallen off. from age. I have seen this especially with European AP rounds. Which everybody, we tried to tell everybody, don't shoot them, don't shoot them. There was a bunch of European, oh and Israeli AP brass case, Berdan primed, but the AP black tip, you could see right where the paint had fallen off down. You know how the paint had protected the jacket of the bullet to a certain degree? And I tried to tell everybody, I said, guys, you won't find any more of this. Well, it was four cents a round. So you could imagine, everybody thought, this was blastin' ammo! Well, and amongst all that AP was a whole bunch of Incendiary and Tracer too. Shame on them. Shame. Though it did create a unique experience on a range up to 400 yards, that's for sure. But shame is all stuff we could use now or might need in the future. So save it while we can. Speaking of the future, you guys, and back to that run-out problem. When you start getting up into big calibers, you know, even 30 calibers, you need to check the run-out if you want to shoot the dinky groups. You need to check the run-out. You need to hold it. Now, once you load that bullet into a magazine, it's kind of stable. A very good accurate bullet for 50s as of late proven is the AMAX. It's, oh, HBS or HSB. I think they build it. The Hornaday builds it. The Honyshack sells it. They were the one that bought it. You can't load that into your M82 magazine. It's a longer bullet if you want to. This is a way to shoot smaller groups out of your M82, you guys, because you can't build really a custom. You can do all the custom things to it, but you can't really lengthen the bullet into your M82. You can empty a magazine or drop the magazine out and pull that bolt back and put a blueprinted bullet into the bore and close the bolt on it. Here comes that very special shot and you want to make your M82 group as small as you can. You can do that and run an AMACS down the barrel. Getting back to that run out, and talking about the future, I don't know if you ever came across the about it many times, Mark. It ran under a number of names and finally patriots surviving the coming collapse. There might be a copy of it around Mark's house somewhere. I'm not certain. In it there's a certain man, Dan Fong. If you remember Dan Fong, he came to an end. He made a pretty good showing for himself for that. Mr. Wahl says that He wrote the chapter on Dan that way in order to how not to do things. How to do things and more how to do things and do them even until the next day. Dan was a little exuberant and over energetic. One of the ways Dan had some pre-deployed fighting positions is Doug. If you want to get the most accuracy out of your 50, Now, you're not going to do it carrying the round bullets, no matter how blue printed they were in that M16 20 round mag pouch. You're not going to do it. The first ones out are going to be very accurate. The more they take a beating and bouncing around next to each other, the more the run out is going to change. So you can carry these in different ways. You can carry them in boxes that are foam lined and just perfectly capped. They were built 50 caliber. And you can pre-deploy those and you can carry those into the field for the bolt gun. It's not exactly a good thing to a good practice for the M82. Again, it's more of a repeat fire weapon, isn't it? It's more of a sustained fire to shoot 4-inch groups at 1,000 yards with your 50. You're going to be in line and it keeps you behind the gun. One of the things here too with the again we're integrating the 50 caliber into pretty much all of our militia units in one form or another there are guys that have 50 caliber semi-autos if you have the links don't get rid of them and hold them in reserve put them into a Ziploc bags or sealer meal bags vacuum pack them keep them clean keep them dry we're gonna need any link you've collected Guys, do you know how much stuff American soldiers have carried home? Okay, in the last hundred years, we're looking at coming up on the 100th anniversary of World War I, there is not a vet from World War I that I have met in my life's experience that didn't have at least three to six footlockers and duffel bags that they paid for, part of it the Army paid for, part of it they paid for a ship back that wasn't full of stuff. And when I mean full, there's no airspace. Any place where there was a trigger guard, more ammunition or gun parts were in there. Any place where something could be stuck, it was stuck. If something could be inside something else like a Chinese puzzle or like a Russian puzzle box, it was. That's just World War I. World War II? Hey, you know what? A lot of guys, their logic was, don't mess with me. I risked my life through this whole war. I'm going to take home what I want. Korea? Yeah, exactly. Korea, Vietnam? Guys, up until 1966, the basic rule was, if you wanted to get three guns mailed home to your house, no matter what they were, All you had to do is have, and whatever gun you wanted, you had to pick up three firearms. One for the inspector, one for the mail, the postmaster, and one for yourself to send home. As long as you did that, it went right to the door, Don. The other two went right to their door. That's right. The only thing a mess set up was the drug issue, and that's the only reason they did more checking. But even then, guys still were sending in parts, pieces, and assemblies, thousands, tens of thousands, and then hundreds of thousands of weapons home and they all got back here in one form or another and they oh they haven't been any crimes but they have been made to disappear they've been maintained cleaned up some of the guys brought home every spare part they possibly could every day their mission was and in the year that they were in Vietnam was to bring back every gun part they could get their hands on Guys, those are all over the country. There's breadas in 8mm Mauser. Italian, the Brits loved them. They used the snot on them. If they could capture them, they'd fight over them. It takes a tray-type belt. It actually, each tray has so many rounds, and then you hook the next tray to it, and it goes right through like a buzzsaw. The woodpeckers do the same thing. The Japanese machine guns, medium and heavies. The same is true for a lot of the other Italian guns. There are several others that take a tray. The 6.5 and 7.35 Carcano comes through in those calibers. Save the trays. They will be either sheet steel or they actually will be stamped brass. When you speak about a Chinese gun stamped steel, you guys, Something you might see in the not too distant future, we talked about this a little while ago. The Chinese are fielding the lightest 50 caliber belt-fed machine gun in the world right now. It's, you know, when you consider the stature of a man, it's understandable. Well, and when you consider the rapid deployment forces they wish to work around the world, it's understandable. But hey, this is a gun that performs like a mad deuce. 600, 700, 800 depending on how hard you set the buffer. 800 rounds per minute it can cycle as fast as that. It weighs I think 38 or 39 and a half pounds Mark. Now that doesn't include the tripod. There will be plenty of a Chinaman to carry the tripod. I carry the belt in the can. This gun is you guys it's a quick weight and at you know that sounds more undressed. That's Amalite 50 caliber at 34 pounds. No sight mount, no sight, no... That's only four and a half or five and a half pounds heavier than armillite's bolt-action 50 caliber. So with that in mind, you could carry one of those away real quick should you find one. But I would caution you that even the Chinese are finding that at that cyclic lathe and that little bit of mass to sustain the hammering, they come apart. They're not a highly reliable... The Chinese working hard as they can to make it a better 50 caliber, you know that. So by the time it gets here, it might be something we really want and can turn on the Yacht Force. That'd be pretty cool, a 50 caliber machine gun. Belt said that it's under 40 pounds. I'll pay it. Well, the Zussman Ackermann B7B comes pretty close because that's the, again, tubular feed, gas operated, it uses the M106 spotting rifle system with the AR-15 belt feed using M250 caliber links, the M250 caliber links. But again, I think the weight is a little heavier. It's about 40-some pounds on the upper end. and they make a lighter version that's still semi-auto, not full-auto. That's the other issue. The kinetic energy transfer is the consideration when you start looking in full-auto weapons, guys. There is a hard... there is, and you've seen this in some of the programs on television, but there is a harmonic ripple. that develops and actually works the metal that can change dramatically performance, reliability, and progressively even durability as far as being able to hold together under those conditions. You've seen slow-mo pictures of the AK-47 barrel wobbling in the air and they go, oh look at how weak it is. No, it was already taken into consideration. It was designed with that issue put to rest. and the rifle serves well as is. Ergo, how many millions are on the planet? Okay, so of all the weapons to try and be persnickety with, I'm sorry, the AK functions, functions well, and if it has a few little interesting tweaks to it, I've never had one fall apart in my hands, and I've seen some pretty beat, tired, and rusted AKs that are battlefield pickups that we've had, that we've actually had to use when I was in service. that they had us training with or utilizing for instruction and they were used for live fire. Anyway, I heard a beep, I think we have a caller. Yes, this is Tom in Indiana. Go ahead, Tom, we got you, sir. I've got a question. I hate to take you off to 50 cals, but do you know anything about the 5.7 uppers for the ARs. Oh yes, I've seen them now. Here's the thing, that's one that we have, I don't know about the testing yet, but the guys that did the testing on the PTR rifle, the PTR 32s, are probably going to be experimenting with those next because they're not that outrageously priced. It's an interesting idea. What's fascinating to me is for all practical purposes, that's a complete gun. You know, I mean it's an AR-15 upper, but with one simple trigger group attachment that could be made from far less than an AR-15 trigger group, that's a complete system because of the way the magazine system is set up on the roof of the rifle. It's an interesting idea. I've never been impressed. I'm gonna be honest, and you know I've said this on the air. I've never been impressed with the perpendicular magazine feed. only because there's a basic rule about plumbing fixtures and making them more complicated means that they can bollocks up. Now, as long as everything runs right, that weapon system, though, indexes just like any manufacturing machine. The round pivots around off of its battery stations, its magazine station, drops, is inserted into the chamber, and pop, pop, boom, boom, continues. The only question I would have as far as the system goes is durability or reliability of the mags that are being offered because there are some American, I assume they're American made versions that are coming in right now. They may be Korean, that's as likely as not. Otherwise, it's a good mate for people who have the 5.7 pistol which you might already have. I can see that as a solution as opposed to buying the actual rifle which because of the length of the barrel and because of other issues the people have a tendency to harass you over the Stargate rifle. But if you have an AR-15 upper 5.7 people don't think twice about it. So I would say if it was a choice I would probably head towards the AR-15 upper variant in 5.7 to get the job done. Now, we'll see if we can find out in the way of additional testing. I know the guys are experimenting with it, but I have not seen the same write-up that I saw from the PTR-32s. So, we'll do what we can there. Go ahead. Anything else? No, that was just a question that I had about that. I don't know that much about them. I shot one. It seems like it's a good idea. the gun is fairly accurate, it shoots nice, it's not got a lot of, not got any recoil to speak of and it's about half the about half of the volume of what a .223 is. Right. Well, again, the idea behind this was shock, you know, the multi-shock concept with the .57 projectile and of course they have a military load that's even more devastating, delivering more hydrostatic shock where it's supposed to. But the round that's presently available in the civilian circles to me is more than serviceable enough for what it's designed to be. It's a volume fire light rifle package. It's niche, it works just fine. One thing that I can see is, imagine, my basic scenario, here's what I would see this rifle as, for security personnel or as a light combat weapon. Either way, one nice thing is if I stepped out of the shower bare butt naked, how many rounds am I carrying? All I had was my birthday suit and that rifle when I picked it up with a magazine in it. Well, that's got a lot of firepower. For a single weapon to pick up, that should. It can get me into trouble if I'm not careful, but if I were in a situation where I had to get out of trouble, I had to return fire and extract myself from something as a security weapon or as a garrison weapon, I think it would work fine. The biggest test is going to be those mags in terms of durability in a combat situation or a field situation. There are both variations. I know the originals are much more expensive, also rare. By comparison at different times, they come in and burst, and then they just dry up, and then they wait, and they come in and burst again. The aftermarket ones so far seem to be holding up, but as we know, typically it's going to be in the chip used for the plastic that's going to tell the tail. as to how long they'll last. So that would be the thing. If you were to buy that and if you're comfortable with it, what I said at the very beginning of this hour, I'd repeat again, I would buy a bunch of mags. Because once you're committed to it, you've got it. And I would stick with it. I would just play lots of mags and lots of ammunition. You never know. I think we're going to see that thing showing up in aggressor hands. I think it's going to be in the outforce hands, without any doubt. So we will run into ammunition but it will have to be routed to you because you know some forces are going to be carrying 7.62x39 that are aggressor, some are going to carry 5.56, some are carrying the new Russian rounds or the new Chinese rounds. They'll try to consolidate but the problem is it's a consortium of thieves and each will have their own agenda. So the cool thing is that they're going to have the same kind of supply problems everybody else does. It's a depression, they've got national identity they're worried about, they're gonna want to carry the weapon the troops are familiar with they're not gonna want to trade out to something else so it'd be worthwhile I think it'd be a decent weapon. Do you have the pistol made up with it? No, I don't. That would be the thwa- that would be the combo you know the right the upper receiver like that on the AR package with the pistol would be perfect solution I think. Well I didn't know about those mags the plastic just didn't look to me like it would hold up like It should in cold weather. I think it would be a cool weapon. You know where I think it would be neat? Because we've written this up and I actually contributed with the Patriots in several areas, but one of the things we discussed was the ultra-light aircraft, the gunship. I think that would be neater and snot for a support weapon for a light pilot because you can carry a lot of ammunition. No, like you said, no felt recoil. The thing can be mounted a dozen different ways and while you gotta, you know, again, you gotta get close, it's a light rifle, you're gonna get close with a small fixed wing, you know, fast attack aircraft anyway. And it's just basically spit and lead to, you know, spread things out to mess up the other guy to support your infantry. The other thing is, just again, there's a wall hanger or something to put away. It's not gonna be used every day, but if it was something where you needed to be able to grab a package, You could have it sitting for a period of time, but you have a package, you could grab it, you got a lot of firepower, you have so many mags, it gets you to where your good stuff is or your next batch of stuff is, depending on what you're doing. The big thing is the volume fire. That's the advantage it has. That impressed me. It's hard to put 50 rounds on anything and get very close to the ground and that oh yeah Get right down with it right in fact for anybody who hasn't seen this I guess we better qualify this thing what they did is they took an AR-15 upper receiver and they built it to take the PS90 series of light rifle magazines that you see with a Stargate rifle. But the upper looks just like a standard for the most part with the exception of the fixture where the magazine goes because it rides over the barrel. It looks to be a standard AR-15 system. The cool thing is the brass drop is right where the magazine well is for the standard AR-15 lower. The guys that did test it, now I know two different groups, thank you for, we talked about it long enough, thank you. There is a write up in the shotgun news. and I believe that it was done by one of their regular shooters and they were discussing, experimenting with it using the magazine well, or actually making a catch bag for the brass out of the magazine well itself, but using the mag clip. using the magazine clip and a dead-haul body, you then rivet the bag to the base, put a little zipper on the side of it, and you can actually collect all your brass so you'll believe no empties, which would be kind of nice too in a lot of cases. You know, to keep the bad guys guessing? Know what I mean? Well, on this, I've just taken a regular AR mag and taken the guts out of it. and it works just fine. It'll hold 60 rounds. Very good. Cool. Now, you know what, on that note, of course, not like you said, you want to get close to the ground, but an old clunker, aftermarket 40-rounder would give you a little more room. Not that it's critical, but you know, just something to think about. There are 40-rounders usually that don't work right, but there's a purpose for them, make them a Nebraska catcher. That's an idea, that's a good point. And again, one of the things that's also interesting, it really throws people off, because one guy said the same thing, he goes, you know, I was looking at that thing and the guy put a 30-round mag in it, and I couldn't figure out what it was supposed to do. You know, because I'm thinking it's a regular AR-15 because it's spittin' bullets, but then he looked closely and he started to realize, one of the other people who was standing there during this test, that, oh, wait a minute, that's not what I thought it was. So, it does have a unique design. It's all fixtured in the upper receiver. The only thing that the lower receiver on the AR-15 does is give you the trigger group and the sear. That's it. Everything else is on the upper power package to include the magazine system. So I like that because here's something to think about though of course, you know, somebody else would have to do a little piddling. Rather than a whole air 15 lower which costs $100, two pieces of 4140 chromoly steel, all of the internals for a semi-auto air 15, a post for a pistol grip, and a straight buttstock tube out the back. And I don't see that being a problem. Know what I mean? I think that could be done for a lot less than the whole standard lower receiver and there's nothing anybody could say nor would anybody know where it was. If you know what you see what I mean, so that's the first thing I looked at it's like darn the whole guns basically there in the upper receiver So it half the battle with a two-piece or like making adapter kits is the magazine well on the air no matter which configuration if you go 5 4 5 7 6 2 by 39 or 2 2 3 The bottom line is you need that magazine well, so you basically truly do have half a gun and But with the 5.7 add-ons that you're talking about right now, only a trigger solution is all that's needed. Everything else is up above. So good point there. Are you still playing? Are you using one now? Are you experimenting with them or somebody else has one? I ended up getting one last week, and I've shied it. I haven't done a whole lot with it. What I do like about it is there's not near as much cleanup as what there is on a 223. Uh huh. Okay. Oh yes, actually that's true. Straight bolt, straight face. That's true. Yeah, there's no, it doesn't use the gas to blow it back, so there's a lot less cleanup. It's a whole lot easier to maintain. Now what's the length barrel that you have on yours? 16. 16, okay. Or 16.5 probably, right? Am I about there? 16? Yeah. They were offering it in a longer barrel though, aren't they offering it in a 20? I don't know. I ended up getting it off a person that had bought it new and I just took what was there. Oh, okay. Well, that's cool. Well, let us know because I'd be curious. You are right, like I said, I would watch the mags. That would be my first issue. Most important is around the feed lip area, you know, where the pivot is too. You've got working parts there. One of the ways to safeguard those would be to build or to use a photographer's pouch for the magazine pouch. The reason I say that is because they've got these variable geometry where they have little Velcro walls. They're heavily armored, more heavily armored than a regular mag pouch is, and that's what I would focus on protecting are the magazines. That would be the thing. I'm looking ahead. My logic is I want that rifle to last your lifetime. I think it could. I believe the big thing is going to be the mags and would be neat as if somebody eventually decides that somehow they can make them in steel. Plastic is okay, but steel would be cool. That would be the next one. Well, I know what plastic does in Indiana here. It won't take the abuse. Well, the other thing there, when I mentioned photography bags, if you've got a couple of old pawn shops or photography stores, they're probably dogging right now in the photography store because business, you know, the depression being the way it is, or at least business. You can usually go in and look in the used areas like if you have stuff that's been traded in and what you'll find are these multi pouch stations that were used. They'll be the depth of your magazine and they were designed for telephoto lenses. In many cases they were again, for somebody who had some money, they would have one or two telephoto lenses side by side, sometimes as many as three and the pouches would be individually divided but because obviously one, not everybody has three telephoto lenses or two telephoto lenses, the rest of the bag had Velcro and solid panels that would lock into place that you could put however you wanted to to support little mini bipods, little extra tools, they're like monopods or filters and fixture equipment that goes on the camera that may have been a little more unique. The advantage is that they're well made They're fairly cheap for the way they're made but they're double bulk because those telephoto lenses weren't cheap Just like Don's night vision, you know, you want to protect it So the magazines that would be a good choice for building up a magazine pouch that usually has a shoulder bag strap And they also usually have a slip for going on a belt so and lockdowns too the other option there is just like we have battle gear for for web-only gear. Before Molly Gear came out, where I truly believe they got the idea from is that a bunch of guys were going into doing this type of web gear for camera support. And so if you look around you'll find a lot of camera shops still have some of those lines. And again, they've got the deep, long armored pouches for a number of different devices that are used with photography. And they're convenient, or they can order them too if all else fails. So anyway, there's a solution. My engineer is not right here at our fingertips. So we're a little over, I think, right now. We still got it down there? I know we have Tom there. Uh oh, we don't have Tom here either. I think Tom took off. Well, I'll tell you what, we are at the top of the hour. Uh oh, we're heading way over into the next year. I know we got Dutch coming up right behind us here in a few minutes. A quick reminder to Don, if you're a night vision number. Uh oh. Hello? Oh, this is not good. Well, maybe I'm still, I can't be sure if I'm even hooked up. So the engineer is taking care of something else that critically needed to be done. And so I guess I'm going to do this real quick before we leave. Just changing subjects, but I was working on something in the in-between hours. A lot of guys, again I understand we're arming up and preparing to deal with this, the up and coming battles that are taking place, but we still want to pitch in wherever we can. We've got Larry Pratt, a lot of the other groups out there that are trying to deal from the political arena. Congressional toll-free numbers, guys. Grab your pen. I'm going to give them out real quick before we leave here. 866-220-0044. That's 866-220. 0-0-4-4 8-7-7 8-5-1 6-4-3-7 That's 8-7-7 8-5-1 6-4-3-7 1-800-833-6354 That's 1-800-833-6354 And 8-8-8 355-3588 That's 8-8-8-355 three five eight eight and if we can, uh oh here we go let's bring that down there and let's double check. Well guys I think we're still up on the air. I can say hi to the guys in the chat room. They can confirm that. Sounds like we're still sending noise out. Uh, interestingly enough I know the guys are experimenting with the five sevens and there's a little conversation in the chat room on this. Um, Interestingly, oh yeah, I don't think so. We still have our other guest host in the vicinity. I think they had to take care of something else real quick. Not doing what you might think he's doing there for the chat room. But the 5.7, nice little pistol. Again, volume fire in conjunction with security operations or for garrison use. One of the things we've pointed out, typically garrison pickets are stuck in a situation where they're in the wrong place at the right time but that's their job. The best thing that you can do without violating any laws so they don't try to screw with you is to become creative with the available systems we have. Now the five sevens come with a large capacity mag right off the bat guys. You can carry a stick of six or eight magazines and still be pretty comfortable using a shoulder pouch that would be flip over CIA type or the old Gorilla type shoulder pouch where a strap goes over your shoulder. You got the bag of mags and you got the rifle. Nice combination, comfortable weapon to shoot, lots of fire power Just keep pulling the trigger. You just drop the mag when you're in a situation like that. The other option, as you know, you don't have to tell me about this, is if you can, for every AK47 that you have, AK47 variant, try to pick up, if it's a standard RPK in 7.62x39 or an AKM slash AK47 in 7.62x39, pick up one of these 75 round drums, if you can, and try to get it for the best price. One of the reasons we bring that up is because the AK-74 will give you good firepower, but they don't make a drum for it yet that everybody can jump out at. So it's going to have to be a 47 to make it work. Well, we're at the top. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run, and we are on the march. Dutch is coming up right behind us. So we will be. Well, I think Dutch is coming up next. I was right. Right here in LTR. You guys be, uh, stay frosty and experiment, guys. We need more feedback. Let's find out about these new weapon systems and how they're working. Bye-bye. loading up vehicles but the great news is I keep finding really cool stuff that I thought I didn't have anymore. I found my little Grundig shortwave pocket radio receiver that works fine. I found all kinds of pocket knives, all kinds of first aid stuff, found our snake bite kits, stuff that you buy and you stuff it in a cubby hole because we've been out of one room for two years now. One room and it's probably 20 by 10, you know, which is big for a room but small for a family So now we're moving into an actual two and a half bedroom house I say half because it's a converted walk-in closet. We're putting the bug of the little girl