Live 365. So if you'd like to be among the first on the New Terror Watchlist, visit Knob Creek Gun Range. Hone your skills with family and individual memberships and unlimited range time. Stock up on ammo before the gun bans go into effect, or buy a handgun, assault rifle, or reloading supplies. Knob Creek Gun Range in West Point, Kentucky is one mile off Dixie Highway on Highway 44 at 690, Richie Lane. Look, it's not like we're bugging the phones or anything, so give him a call at 922-4457. That's 922-4457. Or visit machinegunshoot.com. It's easier to find than my birth certificate. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat and, speaking low to me, he said, We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun, permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent, although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number and you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As Iowoke vanished in the midst for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as the fire and trample each God given right, we only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? And good evening, ladies and gentlemen, this is the evening intelligence report. I am Mark Horkie. And I'm Donald Thatcher. and Southwest. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are on live 365. Then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We are also on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations, and ultra net technologies both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska. We were on the Hallmark network on the Eastern Seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida from the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico headed towards Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, a chunk of Nebraska, also the third of Wyoming, then Iowa slash Iowa, and then back to the Golden Spike Project Eastern part of the country in the Blue Ridge Mountains. I want to say hi to everybody there. Don, today's date is what? Mark is the 30th day of June, year of our Lord 2010. Again, June 30, a great day in Afghanistan. The well, the perimeter, the cure, the... And it is a feast. And again, back to that great day because we've got a couple of the ground running here. Michael Messer with us from Arizona and Michael Lewis from Texas. Oh, you know, the mic. Yes, good evening. Go ahead, Mark. No, no, we got you. Go ahead, Mike, please. Okay, very good. You know, last week I called you and I said something about this, $100 million for 524 National Guard. You know when I first sometimes I hear these reports I put the wrong and now I guess the numbers are shaking out I guess out of this 600 million dollars I do the math that I don't come up to quite that much that Arizona is getting 135 million and more than 300 middle in New Mexico. Now out of these 524 National Guard troops that's not starting until the end of August with a small amount then they're going to wrap it around ramped up into a peak of 524 and then they're going to, and this is all going to occur, period. Another piece of raw intel was received that someone from the Sinaloa was arrested this morning in Oklahoma City. Now the Sinaloa cartel, they, the court, weaned the, it's between the Baja and the mainland right up to the Porto Penasca. and they controlled from there to the east to Nogales, Mexico. A while ago, within those, say the last month, the Sinaloa Cartel was arrested and felt that Bill's heir. And now I don't know if this is just a high-ranking member or this is the new guy that took over or who it happened to be, but I guess that there's something to do with our Bill, H.R. 1070, the Check Your Papers Please, and I don't know if he was actually stopped. or he just felt the heat and decided to listen on what happened. He had moved his headquarters to Oklahoma City and he was arrested this morning in Oklahoma. A quick update, we've got about a percent clouds. We're seriously heading into the monsoon season. The last four or five days there's been some clouds over on the east. Sunrise and just some little puffy clouds. in the afternoon, but right now we've got about percent cumulonimbus, pretty big thunderheads, and station mountains, but they've all collapsed. And there's been some other stuff, which is the Tucson way. But right now, again, we've got about 50%. The permanently there's some rain is in. The wind has been shifting all day long. Prevailing wind is always out of the southwest over here. Right now, it's most from the east, it's been blown from the north, and then shifts back to the east and back to the north all day long. This is a monsoon, they're coming in. So if anybody's heading this way, so I'd highly recommend to bring your reindeer and bring out when we get a reindeer out here. And this is pretty much all I have to give. Appreciate that. Thank you sir. And that's a good point to make. Thank you. Again, I understand you have limited time there. We have Mike Lewis up next. Mike Lewis, jump in there with an after action report and updates. Yes, Mark. We had a big train exercise this past weekend by Dublin, Texas that was about 80 miles southwest of Fort Worth. So we had a bunch of Dallas and Fort Worth people come to train with us and some people from Waco. And our main East Texas group was there too. And we got away from Airsoft, we went back to blanks. We got a big supply of 223 blanks, 8 blanks, and 7.62x39 blanks. And we found out that we were starting to, in our op 4 exercises, we were starting to close in, and too close to the op 4. We should have said that once, we'd always change up sides. But Airsoft, you can't try to get in close, and then shoot with a real rifle. So we went to the blanks and we had a referee that was calling the heads and calling people out. And it got really interesting and we're going to use the blanks most of the time now and maybe use the air software house clearing or in the dark exercises. And we had a real good attendance. And our training exercise for July, the weekend of July 24th, and it's going to be by Woodville, Texas. Woodville is about 60 miles south of Luskin, about 45 miles north of Beaumont. And it's by invitation train exercise. And to get an invitation, just go to our website and send us an email and we'll write you back and invite you. Website is texasmalicia.info. If you're using further out or you can just type in TexasMalicia.info and you'll get to our website. You can find out what we're all about on the web page. Sadly enough, 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. Do you copy? And we are still up on Ustream, I think. But we've lost Don and we've lost Mike in the room. So 1, 2, 3. Got sound back, at least, with 1. I see we have sound back with Ustream. That's good. But we still have some other problems going on so Mark may have to get up for a second need an extra pair of hands Okay, I tell you what we're gonna do hold on to your sombrero Compadre's we'll be back in a second here as soon as I can get everything else up and online. I'll be right back Here we go one two three one two three and we are up. We're still up. We appear to have lost our Skype connection live radio Anyway, for everybody listening out there, this is the Intel report. It is the evening hour. A couple other things. I don't know what I did with the printout for Clint Dares funeral information. It's right there. We got that right there. I want to make sure we give this out again before we go any farther with any other info. We probably have Mike and we should have Don back soon enough here. But tentative visitation for Clint Dares funeral is Thursday, July 1st, 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. funeral on Friday. July 2nd at 11 a.m. Call Barker Leek Funeral Home later in the evening or I should say anytime today still even tonight I think you can it's not that late especially for visitation funeral home. Location is Barker that's B-A-R-K-E-R Leek L-E-I-K Funeral Home 2341 West Grand Ledge Highway Mulliken MULLIKEN, Michigan 48861. Again, that's Barker-Like Funeral Home, 2341 West Grand Ledge Highway, Mulliken MULLIKEN, Michigan 48861. Excuse me, we do have a trumpeter. I know that. But I'm not sure whether we have the color guard locked in yet. I know that we had several people responding. If anybody would like to bring forward a color guard to assist with this, one of the contact points is Barker League Funeral Home. Also to find out more if there are any changes or to confirm that the schedule is as I've announced because it was tentative depending upon transportation for the body, which is in motion back to Michigan, probably is here right now. The phone number there is 517-649-8920. Again, that's 517-649-8920. That's 517-649-8920. Give them a call there. And Clint Derr was one of the former Wolverine militia commanders here in the state of Michigan. He had been with the Wolverines pretty much from its inception. And progressively, if you're not familiar with how the Wolverines traditionally have set their management, it's not a for life position. Every six months there is supposed to be a complete brigade and division commander meeting. They confirm or deny, in other words, confirm that they'll either stay with the assembly the way it is, but still buy a boat of confidence, or They can of course nominate individuals and hold an election. And this is very common. Individuals were rotated into the position. Most people recognize Norm Olson, but there were many other individuals who have been state commanders at one time or another and have taken their turn in that post. Clint Dare was one of those individuals in the early aughts and has been notable for responding to a number of different actions that are now benchmarked historically here in Michigan. Clint Dare, he passed away here just a couple days ago and the funeral is coming up here shortly. Again, that will be Thursday. For visitation and viewing will be Thursday, July 1st, 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. The funeral will be on Friday. tentatively again call to find out for sure July 2nd 11 a.m. Call Barker leak later tonight and again don't worry about calling Clint's mom I'm sure that they're tied up right now they've got enough keeping busy as it is we will be posting more information on how you can help out with the family and again remember guys we're gonna have to take care of the funeral arrangements too here as far as in the long run they were you know obviously gonna get him into the they're gonna get him into the funeral plot but I am sure that there are expenses incurred that we're going to have to look at. At the very least, remember he was a veteran. There should be some assistance there for that particular direction. We need to look at that. And if that can cover the majority of the expense, that would be fantastic. So if anybody has any special interest or experience with financing, especially with regard to the death benefits slash the burial expenses covered. with a military veteran and with veteran status then we need to you know see them patch in with the family 517-649-8920 it's Barker Leek Funeral Home that's L-E-I-K Funeral Home 2341 West Grand Ledge Highway Mulligan, Michigan 48861. Heard a beat we might have Don with the scan. No, it's just white football. It sounds like you were just giving out the information for class. Yes, as a matter of fact, anything else we have to add to that? Any changes or everything is pretty well up to speed then? There will be a 21-gun salute in Gladwood, Michigan. It will be probably Saturday. I'm working on Aubrey with the details right now as to when he wants to do it. The funeral is Friday. We were requested not to do the 21 gun salute due to his son might flip out on the 21 gun salute. So we're requested to do it at a different time. So I'm going to either work on it for Friday afternoon or Friday evening or even Saturday morning. Why would his son flip out at a 21 gun salute? It's either a son or a brother, ordice. I think it might be his brother, but one of them was pretty nervous about doing it to 21 Dunsouloupe. I don't know why, but we were requested not to do it at the funeral. So we've arranged. We've got a place where we can do it up in Gladwin. I will get the address out there tomorrow night. So we're going to be doing it as another Patriot Health. out in his backyard. There's another reason we weren't able to do the 21-ton salute because not all of us have blanks and the city of Lansing requires you to buy the blanks and the 21-ton salute. His wife Denise will be receiving a flag with his rank insignia on it. Very good. And we do have a tab, a bugler is taken care of. I understand a VFW bugler volunteered his services. Okay, I hadn't heard about that, but... We could use a visual employee pass at the 21 gun salute or if not at the funeral. At the funeral. Actually Rick Haynes is the contact person for that. He received a couple of different emails. We need to get these guys connected. Rick Haynes, who was one of the brigade commanders and staff with different administrations in the Wolverine militia. I'll see if I can get back with him right away and have him pass the information on. How does that sound? We'll make sure that we get it to somebody. Okay, I haven't been able to get a hold of Richard Haynes. I lost his phone number. But if he could give me a call at 989-205-3158, again that number is 989-205-3158. We can organize the 21 guns for the week and that's the other So, we've under Rick Haines, as a system information officer. So, like I said, I just need to get his numbers again. Okay, I'll see if we can try to get them. At the very least, we get his email address. Oh, okay. Alrighty, just have him get ahold of me and I'll take it from there. Very good. Okay, I appreciate that. Anything else? Any other updates? Just at the visitation from 6th day to mile night and the funeral was at 11 on Friday. Okay, so our... I was found to be parked. Very good. So Thursday, July 1st. And the funeral will be on Friday at 11 a.m. at the Biker Leaks funeral home and Mulliken as the funeral. For everybody listening, of course you can do a map on this. Mulliken is located where? On the map. on the land thing excuse me are very good okay so for everybody out there again if you're looking into you know to google google m u l l i k e n molliken these it is four eight eight six one Again, that's Mulliken, Michigan. Also, let's figure the worst. This is a funeral. We know the bat faggots or the scum at the federal end or other fools might be stupid enough to start something. The idea is we'll finish it. So this is like every other event from now on. The second regimental combat team, Colonial Marines, are proposing that they be on standby as security in the area. We pretty well put them in touch with the guys up in that area so that they are able to rotate vehicles and equipment up into the area now. And they will be on standby so that if there are any problems, well, let's use it or lose it. Again, we don't go to funerals, we don't go to weddings, and no event without preparation from this point forward, paying attention to the bad guys. So, anything else? Go right ahead, please. We are going to have people on standby that are not going to be attending the funeral, but they are just going to be on standby. Very good. And again, everybody's doing their part. We're not taking anything for granted anymore, guys. Every place we go, everybody's pretty well on edge ready for whatever is going to take place, especially if it's any kind of public event like this, the Shysters, they've already shown us what their colors are. We see them. We have to consider that they're preparing to engage and to attack somebody. So everyone will be looking at that from that perspective. Appreciate the input, White Buffalo. Everything going well with you. I have had cancer and I'm halfway through my treatment, so six more weeks and I'll be done with my treatment and then I can get back to Native American Power Hour and Patriot Hour. Very good. Looking forward to getting back to it because like I said with this morning sickness, I get sick in the mornings and it just would not do for me to be sick on the radio. Well, you can just tell them you're every time you feel like you're getting sick just tell them you're in hold on a moment You're gonna express your feelings towards you the federal government, you know, and then After you're done, it'll be a lot It would be apropos, you know, it was it fits right in line with you know the the the programming so as far as with with regard to our attitude towards these sheisters and the other side and their betrayal of the country I think I think a A good barf now and then would probably be appropriate in their direction. It's about all they deserve. Anyway, appreciate the follow-up. If you can, if there's anything that happens in the meantime, remember we've got programs during the day or we can do a PBN special report on the air and we need to get in the chat room. If there's anything that you may have information on, pass it on to us. We'll put it up on the air and try to put you right up on the air too. Okay. As further developments are coming in, I will get on the set room and let people let you all know on the set room and if need be, call in. Excellent. Thank you, sir. Alrighty. You have a good night, Mark. Take it easy and God bless. God bless. And again, that was White Buffalo. And again, there's no change on the uh... clinton dare funeral as far as we know except there was you know what i did is an hour chain our difference six to eight p m that six to nine p m uh... so it's six to eight m a dead real quick something somebody sent me uh... not only did the observer finally get that article reposted but um... they did a uh... piece in the Ann Arbor dot-com website. The name of the story is Mark Kornke thought Houtari's arrests were start of militia government war. And it's cute because it's basically a cover piece, you know, about the article on the other one about how, oh my gosh, Actually, it's exactly what we said. Well, no, this is more like, if you read it, it's more like, well, the article's here. Going from Ann Arbor dot com. Apparently enough people requested about it that they had to do a article to explain, to send people over to the other article, which is now up. So I'll post that in the chat with everybody else. Okay, well again, the Ann Arbor News is defunct too, so there's all kinds of, it's really twitchy with what they're doing. However, it's a variation in the referencing text. As we talked about, what will happen is the minuscule or the oddball piece that was done in what is an odd or unusual paper will be the quote the reference for all kinds of other articles and pieces done. According to this we're still on WTPRN. There is no Liberty Tree radio. Thank goodness they're completely up to speed in their supposed intelligence and they're fully cognizant and no they're not. Wait a minute this proves exactly we were saying they don't have the brains God gave geese and are pretty much ineffectual No wonder the newspaper hour of its direction Yeah, exactly. And of course, well, we can have some fun insulting them and deriding them for their incompetence. We know that it was intentional. They are going to try everything in their part not to provide information on where everything is and how things are running. So that's not a surprise. In fact, just reverse. That's exactly what was anticipated. It'll be lots of pickle, smoke, and mirrors with no substance. the adventure continues. We will remind everybody too, those weapons Wednesday guys, but there are a lot of things going on in addition to that. Time magazine sent out an email, the guys in the chat room have already seen it. This should send a flag up. As I said before, we had Communist News Network, ABC, several others that already did the usual touch base thing where they're trying to get you to talk to them. We aren't going to. But Slime Magazine did the same thing, and that is a flare. In other words, they're going to push another wave of propaganda out here, and they're trying desperately to claim that they were in contact with whatever sources. Well, nobody wants to talk to me more. In fact, that was the limitation in the one observer piece that, well, because of this noble what happened to Atari nobody wants to talk to us well nobody really was smart wanted to talk to you before but now everybody else who just got their fingers burned by the slime on the other side in the control press well guess what daddy didn't train no fool at least they catch on eventually so now everybody's pretty well like well why don't you just kick rocks and head on down the road And there are much limitations in the gnashing of teeth, running of hair. That's about all they deserve. And we've got enough to keep it as busy as it is. So with all the other work that needs to be done. So pay attention to what's going on with the Clint Daire funeral. We'll be up to speed on that. Friday is when it's taking place. The biggest problem we had was getting the body back here. Initially the guys were not thinking team effort here, so we had to kind of remind them that if all else fails, there are a number of solutions. It sounds strange, but you know, anyone can transport a body across the country. If you can pick up a rental van, three-quarter ton, white panel rental van, or a box, the smallest box van that Ryder makes or U-Haul makes, you can pick up a van and run across the country with a coffin in the back of it, with a person that's deceased. Most important is that you get it to the other delivery point, in this case this is a park or leak funeral home. I understand though that there was a there was an individual who stepped in and made the task that much easier. So we're going to say thank you again to that person and the other parties that did their part. Everybody used the brain trust there and accomplished the mission so the sons were not you know, try to figure out how they're going to make the next leg of the journey because of course they were down in the Mississippi Valley and had to make it across over here to Michigan. One more time on that location, it is Barker Lake Funeral Home, 2341 West Grand Ledge Highway, Mulliken, M-U-L-L-K-E-N, Mulliken, Michigan, 48861 and that's Phone number is 517-649-8920. Again, that's 517-649-8920. Give them a call and check to see what's going on. If you're worried about being correct with regard to the funeral time and all the other activities surrounding it, especially the bodies viewing and visitation of the family. Don, up in your neck of the woods, anything else critical that may be jumping off the wall there? Oh, not a whole lot going on. It's a beautiful lead. I think we'll carry on, of course. Now we got about 20 minutes before the top of the hour, so we got some time here. We were talking about when we closed in the last couple hours, we were talking about semi-domatic shotguns or military-type shotguns and barrel lengths, guys. With a trench gun, 19 inches is more than serviceable enough. Some guns were cut a hair shorter, but it really didn't give them much of an advantage. Certainly, again, you want to, depending on how you're using the shotgun, you want it to open up and pattern to a certain specific distance. Sometimes you may want it to open up sooner with no choke, straight tube, it's going to do just that. But remember that you're using modern shotgun wads. which means that to a degree within especially ultra close range the shot does not spread that far initially. It doesn't open up right away. It takes a few moments for that butterfly to release and even then the purpose behind the modern wad is to try and keep the pattern a tad tighter with more pellets reaching into the kill zone area. So even if you do cut a weapon down which I would prefer that you know again my recommendation is number one wire you don't need to cut it close to the minimal distance minimal length why bother 19 inches will work just fine you get a little more energy a little more oomph out of the tube the modern cups unless you change them out, which is something we've talked about on the air. Unless you change them out, you're not going to see an immediate or massive response with a shorter barrel, contrary to everybody thinks. Certainly it'll take less time. I mean, the distances will be closer with regard to the opening of the pattern of the spread, but especially at close, close range, 6.1 way, half a dozen the other if you get my drift. In other words, you're going to see basically the same performance out of the barrel, out to a set distance. And in close quarter combat, it's going to be a big lump, like a big beanbag gun hitting something is what it'll come down to. Well, and very lethal at that. Messy to say the least. But combat assault shotguns, or some automatic shotguns that are magazine fed, Two directions where those can be used. Well, there are others. But the two primaries we're looking at is the very thing that was mentioned. Number one for point men, the shotgun especially in a semi-automatic weapon with a lot of saturation capability is a big plus. Another place, and we discussed this in the party on the beach this last weekend, has to do with what are called rear guard actions. Now the original real assault rifles, you know the ones that go clack clack, the ones that have selector switches, now the MP, by the way the MP43, MP44 and MP45, yes there was a 45, there's a little different still from the other weapons. But the basic lower trigger group was the same. The safety simply was a safety, one switch. Separate from that, there was an alternate switch that you pushed left to right or right to left through the receiver that changed where the sear sat that controlled the function of the weapon. Now by changing this you went from semi-auto to fully automatic. It was recommended with the original assault rifles that you pull the trigger, keep it down, and dump the mag. The interesting thing about the MP series of assault rifles though is that they actually had something that we did eventually embrace with the M16. They had a buffer spring. Now while the buffer spring on the MP44, Don, the buffer spring itself was quite comparable, a little longer than the standard M16 buffer spring. That's because of the nature of the trail of the weapon internally, but there was a channel that went into the stock and was virtually wood. It had no inner tube or anything like that to reinforce it. and it was again not a pressed into service rifle but standard issue. Amazingly enough, this stock without the tube reinforcing held up quite well. and in fact offered to retard and slash draw out the recoil off of the round, reducing felt recoil to the riflemen. When the assault troops or the mechanized infantry first got the MP44s, 43s, 44s, and 45s, what happened, they decided to use them in a number of roles, certainly as an assault rifle for attack, but in a withdrawing operation, they would put two men with MP44s to the rear of a column. And their job was suppression fire. They picked the positions where they had absolute cover, where they could evacuate from the position to the next one without being seen, and they could draw, you know, they could dump a whole lot of rounds into an area, especially with assault infantry, which the Russians were famous for, and they would actually see pretty good results with regard to creating casualties. Now, While the weapons have changed, a magazine-fed 12-gauge, two men, especially in a withdrawing situation where you want to break contact, don the Sega shotguns or the Daewus if they were available. We might pick some off somebody else that's carrying one of these days, you never know. But the SAGAs actually had the potential, especially with multiple 10 round mags, to be an excellent hold back gun. And as George pointed out, we have the drums available from Mississippi Arms. That's M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I-Arms.com. They have the drums. And a couple of guys with drums, I don't think a whole lot of people are just going to be walking through that withering fire. What do you think? You pair up a few of them, or imagine... Exactly. One of the interesting things too is especially now we move up to fire teams or squads armed this way as a rear guard team. It can be supported with a heavier weapon or a couple of heavier weapons that are belt fed. But for pushing a lot of rounds into an area and reaching out to 200 yards with SABO. You're looking at a pretty devastating weapon system here in urban warfare or in close quarters, say in hallways, controlling doors. This would be an excellent way to secure or block a choke point. And then to be able to follow... 12 gauge runs out to about 74 or 75 calories. We talk about 50 in the rifle form. Full load. What's interesting about that is that there are some other loads that were made. The Navy experimented with a boarding shotgun that was rather interesting. It was basically an 1100 action on steroids. with an all brass case shell. But what's interesting is what they used for the shotgun shell was a 50 caliber case cut at the beginning of the shoulder so that it was a semi-straight tube case. Think about how much you can put into how much powder and what kind of a charge load you can put into a solid case like that. Now, what's interesting is it was an alternative feed, dual, tubular, magazine-fed shotgun. Sounds like something out of a Star Wars movie. And again, it was designed to offer more energy, greater number of pellets into the selected target area, and, because it was an all-brass case, increased reliability with regard to reloading and loading. No dentured cases, no possibility of distorting the plastic case because the gun was semi-auto and as quick as you could pull the trigger you'd be putting rounds down range. The solid brass thick wall case system Also would not superheat and melt the cases while they were being chambered which can happen if you've ever done a lot of semi-auto shotgun in combat mode. Especially for what we're talking about. We've actually watched cases, I've fired them myself, firing so many rounds that when the chamber is hot enough the plastic is already superheated and as it hits the ground the cases melt the rest of the way. Actually melt and flatten out. Kind of scary. So again, not that it can happen all the time, but you put enough rounds into any weapon and you're going to start seeing calories retained. And that's heat. So that's exactly what transpired. The Navy experimented with, they were satisfied with the design, but they didn't really go anywhere with it that we know of. So it was a very interesting concept to say the least. Anyway, I heard another beep. Who do we have? Hey, this is Marcus. You told me to call back. Hey Mark. Hey, Marcus. Jump in there. Go ahead. Yeah, um, y'all were exactly right about that Sega 12-gauge shotgun. I'm glad to see Marcus talking about it again. The guys it also goes along with, like George was saying when he called in about his, it really would behoove you for all you guys with the AKs, is to get a 75-round drum to have in your inventory. If you're going to be on patrol, you want your guy in front to either have a 12-gauge shotgun or something with a lot of ammo, And a drum-fed AK is not... and the only thing is when you're doing your whatever, or even getting low to the ground, every round mag will hold you off the ground. I'm gonna be held off the ground 75 rounds. Right, exactly. If you're gonna be... And while especially with that particular weapon system, the drum itself is going to offer a tremendous amount of firepower no matter which way you go. Either with the Sabos and the solid shot, you know, in other words the hourglass load, or if you went with double op buck or number four buck, either way, that's a whole lot of weight going down range and it's going down in reasonable velocity. Double out buck, that's 30 caliber, and the number 4 buck, that's 22 caliber. So you look at it this way, you're peppering everybody with a whole bunch of 30 caliber rounds one way and a whole bunch of 2-2-3 rounds the other with comparable weight. I'll bet with lead, but with comparable weight. Now another cool thing is you can copper wash your lead pellets if that's what you want if you want to cast your own lead for your shotgun loads. We used copper plate lead cast bullets to reduce leading in the weapon and create a semi a mock semi-jacketed round. I cleaned up the weapon considerably and also brought the performance up a little bit. So there are plating plants out there that can do that. Finish what you're saying, I just turned by my guy. No, go ahead, we're good. No, no, I was going to make a comment and redirect them to Liberty Tree Radio over on the anorber.com site for that article that directs people over to the other one and you can only make approved postings. So I listened to Mark over at libertytreeradio.4mg.com and it says your comment is being held for review. Right. Yeah. In other words, it won't get posted. If it does, I'll be shocked. Well, again, so not a surprise. And again, that's another one of the shill articles in place. Mostly to do damage control because the other one didn't get posted, correct? And so now they're directing everybody back to the- Yeah, now it's posted properly. No, it was- Oh, then it got pulled and then I guess they got enough volume at Ann Arbor dot com requesting the article. Ann Arbor dot com linked over to the observer page, which is cute because it's run by the same people. Right. So we've got an idea there. I'll tell you what, go ahead. Marcus, go ahead, please. What else you got for us? Well, one other thing, guys. The 4th of July, the Tea Party people and the We Are Change people, I've got an email from here in Atlanta. They're going to be at the Federal Reserve. I heard they're going to be at other places too, other Federal Reserves around the country. Guys, if you really want Fourth of July, I really do recommend that you go do something political. A bunch of village idiots that think before the night is all about fireworks and cooking out and getting drunk and acting stupid and running your boat around on the lakes around or whatever. Independence. If you love your country and buy all these weapons and all these things you're doing, I'm a man, or I'm a woman, and I'm a sovereign. And you just kiss my, you know what, and I'm gonna stand here this fine, make you look rich. And when people drive by, you know, they're gonna say, what do all these people out here for? But maybe they might, a few people might get the message that, hey, the Fourth of July is about our independence and the declaration of independence. So if you wanna show that you're, you know, claim your independence, something more than just go get drunk and burn some hamburgers and hot sauce, you know, kill brains, so, you know, do something. If you can't get a professional weapon or do something, I'd like to say, says every Wednesday with his foot, yup. Well, too. I appreciate that, Marcus. And again, real quick here before I forget, too, and we are getting close to the top. Do we have a contact, like a website for everybody? Again, you can give out a couple of websites, anything that's available for the meeting places. But all I can say is just look on their start page, IxQuiz, whatever you search and just do the We Are Changer for your state. And especially if you have a federal, they're definitely going to be going. In some states, we have to do some stuff to come out on Tennessee. And I think maybe some people from Alabama, he's coming in through Atlanta to do that one. And the one up there, tell them the We Are Changer people talking. And send them an email and ask the question. Get back with you if they're going to do it or not. Over. Appreciate that. Well, anything else we can do any follow-ups tomorrow, let us know. Roger that. But like I said guys, I really think about if you're going to do these things with your weapons, the dumbest thing in the world is kill and the BAPFP sag it. One thing that the trick they like to do and they've got people in the past is they like to take liquid nitrogen and they will take a shotgun barrel or whatever, not liquid nitrogen, and it is improving in court to be legal. But when they go to pull it back out and measure it, You might have cut off right at 18 inches. Well guess what? It's going to shrink up to 1 1 8 of an inch or in a quarter inch. And now you're under that little old law, whatever, of the legal length. Whatever you do. So it's really not work. You can use it like Mark said earlier, to wrap it on. You've got a weapon that really has made combat what you want to do with it. And so if you're going to get a 20 gauge, don't be cutting the barrel off. Free buckshot and make your own. Bigger than number four. Where issue number four is 12 gauge load, so maybe we got to shoot a few of those things. It was a shotgun, yeah. Well, for naval troops, in fact even for infantry, going back to the American Revolution slash war for independence, we issued just as much buckshot as we did solid shot for the infantry. In fact, what they did is they used three rounds of ball slash buck for night fire. Everybody ever wonder about that? It's like, man, if the musket was that unreliable as far as distance, what would you do at night? Well, there were a lot of fights that took place at night, and sentries operating at night typically used three rounds of ball, smaller shot, typically double-out buck, or between double-out buck, as we know it today, and about .40 caliber. It depended on what bullet mold you had. But it was a sensible solution to a problem that you got one shot, you want to hit somebody. trying to suck air, I want to try and hit something that I'm pointing at. filter all of those images guys There's a lot of pictures from the good old days if you go back to the publications printed in the era where the guys are carrying their feather weights with bird scenes on the side of the shotgun They're not military although military issue had those too because they just cranked them out of the factory as to aspect and then they were issued to the MPs and also issued for security and detail operations and They were in the inventory through to the 80s. I mean I ran into him at 14 Knox ran into him out at Fort We Gotcha. I went through the arsenals in all those places at one time or another. Usually they'd love it when you come through, especially if you wanted to clean a rifle or two. And they had some pretty exotic arsenal collections. But one of the things you had to do was look at everything that was there. And they still had some of the heavy gauge riot guns from World War I in service back in the day. Not all units had disposed of them. And again, the security shotguns fit a different niche from the MBRs. main battle rifles of the weapons issued at the time. It's a solution. And again, we're not bound by a table of authorized equipment. On that note, something else I want to comment on before we leave. We were watching Pearl Harbor. And of course, Pearl Harbor, they incorporate the Doolittle Raid. And one of the things is everybody looks so politically correct because the guys are all carrying 45s and they all have just their basic kit. Nothing could be further from the truth. Doolittle's crews knew where they were going and what was going to happen. And I suggest that you all read about those how many seconds over Tokyo. If you pay attention, I knew, like I said, one of my instructors was a guy who survived the midway, you know, the exchange midway. He was also captured as a POW during Korea. And actually, it's rather interesting. He had a long history, and of course he was retired when he was giving us the survival escape and evasion class. And what's interesting about that is that These guys all knew about what the Doolittle raid was about because they all went into service usually in 1940, 1941 before Pearl Harbor. And the guys were loaded to bear. One guy, I mentioned to Ed that on one situation the guy was thinking he needed plenty of calories, he was going to carry something he knew definitely could be traded and he could eat. So he stuffed everything he could with Hershey bars, right? Every pocket. He had them stuck in bags underneath his flight suit. He had them everywhere. Then he had ammunition and of course his chip sewn to the back of his gear, but he had three different guns he was carrying, plus hundreds and hundreds of rounds of ammo. Well, they didn't plan on ditching the planes, they planned on jumping out by parachute. That's what they were supposed to do. Well, these guys all did what they were told to do. They ditched their plane, of course, let the plane, you know, as they were obviously going to lose it, they all jumped from the aircraft. Problem is, it's warmer in China than where they were, and all those Hershey bars down were kind of soft. And when he pulled the cord on the parachute, he looked like a big schmoor by what he said. So, but the other part about that, the reason I bring it up is because they were showing one of the gun battle after the one crew hit the ground. Guys, you didn't ask somebody else for a spare magazine. They were carrying magazines everywhere. They stitched up special equipment. They had the The Sailmaster produced all kinds of special rigs and gear for them so they could carry more junk, and they wanted it so it would be on their person so that they would not lose it. Doesn't mean they didn't have ditty bags that they carried that they hoped they wouldn't lose, but everything was stitched into their gear, was tucked into every fold they had, every pocket was jammed solid because they knew when they hit the ground the only person they could count on was themselves and their buddies. if they didn't get separated. Then they certainly were only counting on themselves. So it was just something I noticed. I said, who's got the spare bags? Right here! And it's like, cold day in hell. Somebody else is carrying my extra ammo. Oh, but we're going to be in the top of the aisle in just a moment. But you guys know that $200 tax bill tax bill plan. 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And what we're talking about, and it's going to carry over to this hour, is we that are not in the larger organized militias, we that are isolated in the smaller communities, have to think more like the French underground than the French foreign legion. Thank you, Ed. We have to think more like the folks in the Warsaw ghetto that fought back against the Nazis than the Polish infantry. Louis you better get back here. We just switched and you weren't here took you long enough to set it up Wow We went right through a break. So we're on we're on Liberty Tree radio right now I had to make sure I could see there so I want to welcome all the Liberty Tree radio listeners and we're going to continue the Discussion here if you want to call in the phone numbers 5 5 9 5 6 1 8 2 2 5 and you can call in, you can call in about this or if there's something else you want to talk about that's related to the holy cause of liberty, go ahead. I've had kind of a bummer of a day fighting with people on the internet. We've got our new video up on YouTube. It's basically just a more updated version of the other calling all malicious. I'm trying to get people to go down to the border. Give me the keys, Lee. Also, Lou has put up a new forum and that forum is located. There's a link on the dutchjones.tk website. and if you want to you can put one in the chat room since he's here. But you can check out the forum, post what you want. I'm leaving that up to the listeners. I'm getting a lot of requests. The listeners here are about another listener. They're in the same area. They want to meet and conspire together to keep their liberty. That's great. So we're going to give you the forum there and it's dutchjones.smffore3.com So that's the regular spelling of Dutch Jones dot S-M-F-F-O-R-F-R-E-E 3, that's the number 3, dot com. So it's Dutch Jones S-M-F-F-4-3-3 dot com. And you can just go to Dutch Jones dot T-K and get in there. And you know, just keep it civil. I'm not going to delete anything, but if we start getting a lot of like child porn and stuff like the forum over it on the other I Couldn't believe that hopefully nobody will do that to us, but if they do we will hunt them down and beat them with wiffle bats What's wrong? Yeah, well, we're doing the show is because the show But getting back on topic here in fact I need to drink a water here sitting right in front of a fan that's drying me out But it's better than not having the fan on can eat food ready. I was ringing over there somebody's phone's ringing. Yeah, well we're not going on a break. It's 605. This is the 30th of June 2010. What? I just like the pictures from the border. Oh yeah, they're pretty terrible. We got sent some pictures from a firefight that happened just south of the border. Brownsville, Texas. Browns actually hit Brownsville College, I think they said. And it was a fight out between federal and states to just look at the pictures. They're pretty gruesome. I forwarded them to specific listeners. I don't know what that is, where that's coming from. Where's your phone? Right here? Yeah, move it away and let's see if it goes away. Yeah, that helped. Thank you. But use the form, get in there, give ideas. If you see stuff and you take pictures of it, it's a good place to post it. But getting back to what I was talking about, you need to pre-run your escape routes right now. That's what this time is for. You need to pre-