May 13, 2009
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Mark Koernke discussed defensive firearm tactics and marksmanship principles, including proper stance, breathing, magazine management, and target engagement strategies. He analyzed a self-defense incident involving college students who successfully defended themselves against armed intruders, emphasizing the importance of training, muscle memory, and psychological preparation in combat situations. The show covered rifle recommendations including the SKS and Hakim rifles, ammunition availability and pricing issues, and training techniques using closed-eye stance drills to develop proper ergonomics and target acquisition.
- 1911 pistol
- combat shooting
- marksmanship training
- self-defense
- firearm stance
- ammunition shortage
- hakim rifle
- sks rifle
- target acquisition
- magazine management
- preparedness
- michigan
- fort custer
- airsoft training aids
- 8mm mauser
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Raider Company, HHC PO Box 194 Raps, the name's up. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, the legacy we gave. In this, the land of free and home of brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate and your Christian values can't be taught According to the state you read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold you trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled You paid for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame We've taken Satan's number. We've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in death. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children will be Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each god given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the first hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Corneke. And I'm Donald Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories south, central, east and northwest. Ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are on live 365. Then go to Liberty Tree Radio. You will also find us on AM&FM Microstations, CB Base Stations, and Alternate Technologies, east and west of the Mississippi, southern and central Alaska. And we're on the Hallmark Network, 8 colonial states plus, getting ready for the Golden Spike Project to come to a culmination, a joining point. And when it does, we'll be ready to cover it up here. Well, Don, today's date is... You guys, it is the 13th day of May. Season 9, and that takes a middle. Let me see if I can get in the chamber. Battery, the magazine is in the way. And again, in 1911, it barks more than just like a dog. It barks like a big dog. And of course, unless there's really something strange going on. And I will remind everybody again that 1911 has a lot of options. Long slides, standard slide, shorties with backup models or concealable models, every size magazine you can want from seven round standard military all the way up to 11. Traditionally, a lot of times down I was carrying a 1911. I carry about six standard mags and then I would always carry an 11 rounder in the weapon. The 11 rounders, I haven't seen them the way we used to. Back in the 80s they started to show up. They were very reliable. Obviously, they extended more beyond the magazine than the average milt rounder. I should say, forgive me, beyond the end of the butt of the weapon more. They were the first magazine in the weapon because if you were going for that kind of situation the idea was focus on hitting the target in the initial threat phase and then drop the mag and it would automatically drop the mag. You don't worry about collecting it. You dump the 11 rounder. In other words, just let it fall. Next magazine into batteries, release the slide catch and continue with the action. And then otherwise piles and piles of seven rounders including an ammo can full of seven round mags loaded and then another can empty and waiting and what I would do is rotate the magazines accordingly. We still do that with most of the weapons. We can do that with the .45, the Tokarev, Smith & Wesson Model 10s. Of course with speed loaders, it's not an issue there. The idea is to have ammo cans of speed loaders full of ammunition. ready to go. Either way, either magazine or speed loader, the point is that you've got the ability to reload and reload and focus on putting rounds down range, saving time and getting the weapon back up and online. If you have only a couple of mags, well after the first three you've got to start reloading again and that means it's like, timeout, I'm empty, hold on here a minute. Well we don't want to see that happen. And there are no time outs. I have to roll time outs. Question about it. When we make point of contact and you have to use a weapon, the idea is you are focusing. Here is the other thing and we have discussed many times the reaction, psychological reaction, physical reaction. Because of the fight or flight physiology that takes place, there is a time dilation process. In your mind, things do slow down. Actually what it does is it allows you to make decisions. There is a time compression issue there. In reality though, your reaction time itself is hyper accelerated and so is your energy distribution in different parts of the body. For this reason, that's where training and conditioning come in. And I really don't have a problem if you dump in the first seven rounds or eight rounds square into a target simply because it's a combination of defense and hyperventilation. Okay, we'll accept that, but you've got to get that under control real quick because there are only so many mags you're carrying and you don't know how much of a threat you have in front of you. On the other hand, if it is something as in one person or again one or two people, there are two things that happen. If you put the first target down really hard, it has a tendency to demoralize the aggressors around them. Probably the case in point, we brought this little situation up that was bouncing all over the Internet. I've got about a dozen emails on this now, even though the story has not gotten any national coverage. Again, ten college kids, they are at a house at the birthday party, and a couple of thugs. come in through the sliding glass window to take the women off into the bedroom. They're going to plan on raping them there. They're holding the guys at gunpoint. They've taken cell phones. They've taken wallets. They're talking about how much ammunition they have. Of course, the idea is that they're going to kill everybody in the room and be done with it now. There's no witnesses. Ha, ha, ha. And they could go back to being in the apartment, like one apartment block down from where this party was taking place. One of the kids had a firearm in his backpack and he decided to go for it. In other words, the other character, I would be willing to bet that Homie was probably thinking the other guy is going to be raping the girls in the other room and he was worried about getting his. So what happened is he was distracted to a degree and the one kid that had the gun in his backpack was able to recover it. He fired on the first one, put him down. Then went into the other room and found that the guy was actually getting ready to rape his girlfriend. On top of everything else, it was like, hmm, okay. Well, a firearm exchange took place in the bedroom. One girl was injured, still alive. In fact, she recovered quite nicely. In the process, the bad guy was plugged several times. He left the apartment. They could hear one of the neighbors shouting outside. Apparently, they found the guy on the ground outside. One of the neighbors did a couple of apartments down and said, first it was the guy that was actually shot. He goes, call the police. Call the police. Now, what it comes down to is, and I will tell you this, the criminals understand that they fear far more greatly They will know that your attitude is going to be in reverse. You are not going to have any restraint. You are going to take care of the problem right there because you are just going to look at it that if I got one, in this case there were two. The guy ended up dying outside and so well, so what. But what is interesting about this is again the of progression here with regard to physical response. There is a point where you have to prepare yourself. One of the things we will warn everybody about is try to oxygenate yourself. This is critical to overall operation because the body draws. What it is going to do is start drawing on energy. People have a tendency not to breathe. This is a condition because of the excitement of the moment. They are shocked or they are tensed up. And you've got to get used to the idea to continue to provide oxygen to the body. Even shooters. Guys, I've seen some phenomenal shooters and they will tell you the same thing. One of the secrets to long range or short range competition shooting is breathing. Because like any other competition sport, your whole body is involved in this. And every muscle that's coming forward, that's being brought into the battery to support that weapon, just like you're seeing Don, you can feel you've got something there. And it doesn't seem like much weight. Don, that .45 feels fairly light right now, although it's got girth, right? Oh yeah, you learn to deal with it. It's something that again, like Donics and handguns, you learn to deal with it or you go back down. You find something that fits. Well, the thing is that when you do bring that weapon up, no matter what it is, remember that each part, every muscle of your arm is working in that action. Now, you don't think about it initially, but what happens is you're burning oxygen there. You're burning oxygen with your shoulder muscles. Your back muscles and your abdominal muscles are participating in two things. Number one, obviously they were breathing, but that's part of taking up oxygen anyway. However, everything is becoming the platform for that firearm. And what happens is people bring the weapon up and they're trying so hard to follow all the basic instructions that they're not letting the body take over to a degree. Now in the process what happens is I'm going to get that sight on that target and they're a little off. But they don't squeeze the trigger because I'm not quite where I want to be. And then they bring it back up and they kind of got it where they want. But then they find that the target gets a little fuzzy. One of the reasons that the target gets a little fuzzy is in the process of trying to get everything right, what's happened is they forgot to breathe. The brain is getting oxygenated. Where do I shut down first? Well, I'm going to fuzz out certain components. It's kind of like Star Trek, Don, right? The Enterprise is under attack and the force field is up, but the force field is taking hits, so other parts of the system start to push energy towards the critical components. that reason. Exactly. The oxygen is starting to go, guys. So what you've got to remember is that before you go into any kind of, and again, it's got to be automatic. And that's how it should be. When you bring the weapon up, the sight should already be in line, the arm should already be rest. I'm doing this while I'm on the air. I'm actually falling through with my eyes closed. Why? Because you should be that conditioned. If you're in any kind of medium to long range pistol engagement. It should be automatic. In fact, one of the techniques that we demonstrate on the range, especially with offhand or combat shooting, is you close your eyes. After we teach you all of the stance, then I have you close your eyes and I want you to get into that combat stance. What I want you to do is I don't want tension on the left or right arm. I don't want tension up and down. I want you to find that groove. They always say, Don, in the groove. You want that niche, people, so that when you feel everything, the muscles and the skeletal structure are supported. Now in this instant shooting, like what would happen with a kid in the apartment, hey, he did a fine job, and to a degree, instinct takes over too. It's like an extension of your arm and it's a spear when it's at close range. But even there, the idea is bring it up, center of mass, down low, and control. Bring it in and push into the target, or depending upon the situation, obviously it might have been one handed, who knows? But ideally if you can bring the weapon around, as you bring it up to battery with one hand, you bring the other hand up to support, you let your muscles take over to actually regulate and control the climb of that weapon, you keep it in the center of mass low. If you think you can put a few rounds into that hip, then you can bring it up as you go naturally because the muzzle is going to climb and if you think you want to try for a headshot or a throat shot, you go right ahead. But my argument is up into, buh buh buh buh buh. While that muzzle is climbing you are going to bring it right up into the torso but you do the groin and you do the hip area. There is a reason. You are going to put the target down. Here is the other cool thing. In this case you have other people who are prisoners. If you can put that target down, they beat on him and he is dead. As soon as he is down and going down, it is the job of the other people there to wrestle him to death. kick him, bust his nose, stick his eye through the back of his head. I don't care what you do. More than you strain him. That's right. The idea here is to obliterate. Destroy and obliterate and acquire that weapon. Turn on the next target and you're hunting. At this point, and obviously the moment the bullets were flying guys, the world was changing in that room. The guy in the other room who was already in the business of thinking he was going to rape the girl was not exactly in a better position to respond. Think of all the variants here and we haven't got all the details. But you've got to figure that the other critter, he was planning on doing his dirty deeds in the other room so he was off on another plane. He was off into his nutcase routine and doing it and he deserves what he got. But that's where, again, at some point he's following up. You may or may not be so lucky in that the character actually has to, you know, is able to, you know, is already prepared or preparing to respond to you as you're moving through the second objective, which is passing through another door. Again, motion is everything. Distract or move the character in whatever way that you can. But engage and continue to engage constantly. In other words, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Now you have to count your rounds so to speak. With a 45, one of the things, if I put three to four rounds into the target, it would be kind of nice if I had a bigger mag. And Don, you've got a larger mag to start out with right there, don't you? Mark, this is a stainless steel. I picked up a couple of people I know, but you know. I have full confidence in that weapon safety. It's purely a matter of whether or not you've bollocks stood up. I know you didn't, but I'm saying in general, if there's a mistake that's made, it has to do with something mechanical and it's very hard with a 1911. One in the tube and the magazine loaded means you've got all the firepower you could possibly pull out of that gun and that's really what's necessary, especially in a combat slash fighting situation where you know you're going to be using it. In a defense situation, the argument has gone back and forth for years, but of all the weapons, I have no fear about putting a live round in the tube and locking all the safeties in place, it's the 1911. Well, one of the things while we're talking about here 1911's slide guns, one of the advantages of a slide gun is you can drop that magazine, still have a couple of live cartridges, you can drop that magazine. That's pretty hard to do. You're going to dump bullets the same action, granted you're moving out the empty case. Or again, in that case you actually pocket the mag knowing that you still have rounds in it and you can still use it as a reserve. Now, one of the things, real quick here, I'm going to back up because I know I jumped ahead with regard to using the weapon, but I'm going to describe very quickly one of the other things about what we call blind setup, where I have you close your eyes, is I want you, what I'll actually do is, and again, you don't have to have a gun for this people. You can teach everybody that everything they need to know with a wooden mock-up, a wooden cut-out. 99% of what a person needs to know for pistol marksmanship and rifle marksmanship can be done with a wooden mock-up made in your wood shop with a jigsaw and a skill saw and a little bit of sanding or if you want to keep it crude, keep it crude. I don't care. But the point is that with this, we can actually demonstrate where you need to be. Now, we've mentioned ergonomics on the air many times, but also with regard, ergonomics with regard to even your combat stance. There are a lot of people saying, no, you must do this and you will do this and you want to know. What you've got to do is understand. Don grew up differently from Mark. Don has a different life experience. Don may have laid that motorcycle on its side once and may have twisted and folded and spiddled or mutilated apart differently from Mark. Mark has broken parts. Don has broken parts or at least what is this way? Bruised and bent. Because of this and the different life experiences and the difference in physiology between men and women, young and old, you need to Let's tailor the marksman stance to the person's body to get the most out of it. Now, the reason I have you close your eyes is I want you to function properly so we're going to focus on feel. What you do is you bring your weapon up into combat stance and I push your hand to the left. I ask you, tell me when this is uncomfortable? And they go out right there when you start to feel stress or tension on the muscles. Okay, let's bring it back the other way. Now let's bring it center. You show me where it's comfortable between those parameters. And the person adjusts to where they are. Oh, that's right, right there. And where it is, it's a combination of your muscle structure and the actual contact of the skeletal structure. That's step one for the upper part of the body. Now, here's the other thing. Your body below is adjusted. I want you to do the same thing. Adjust it so that you feel comfortable. Shoulder feet, shoulder width apart. depending on which model of stance you are using. But let's say it's a standard four point combat stance, two hands on the weapon. We are going to bring the weapon up, feet a little over if you want, but about shoulder width apart no more. We don't want you unstable. We don't want you spread out so far. You cannot respond in terms of lower motion of the body. Because this is all part of having to deal with what's going on. But the point is that find a comfortable structural point where you feel the body resting on itself. Now we're still doing this with a closed eye. And by the way, I will do this on a range. I'll do this on at least a fabricated range where you draw a line, have the person close their eyes, we're going through this whole process, and there's a target down range. Now, once we're done, and I'm done with each person, we still have each person or whoever you're coaching, that one person at a time is fine, what you do is you have that person and you say, do you feel comfortable? Yes, I do. Are your legs properly, you know, proper width apart? Yes, they are. Do you understand where everything is? Yes, I do. Now open your eyes, and you'll find that you're not on target. The target is 15 degrees to your right. Now, here is a simple question and it is not trying to be tricky. What would your solution be? Do you tell the person to drag your arm 15 degrees to the left or do you tell the person to adjust their feet now that you know what your proper stance is and what is the proper comfort zone for your body where you are going to get maximum results? Do you adjust your feet for the target? Yes. Yes. The answer is adjust your feet because now we have everything set where we need to ergonomically so that as a shooter, as a combat shooter in this particular stance, which we've now found, this is how you register, mentally register. It goes in the memory bank. From this point forward when I see you step onto the range, when you take up a combat position and you're preparing and you're in the position of prepare to fire, I expect to see you automatically take this post up progressively. There may be a running phase, but progressively as you are preparing to engage. If you are in the crouched position, when you come up, if you are going to take cover and use cover, which you better be doing, remember cover and concealment. When you bring the weapon up, you should be using this stance and consistently reinforce this over and over again. You practice it. You close your eyes, you take up the stance, then you open your eyes and adjust, and then once you've learned where that position is, you should be able to bring your whole body into play through muscle and structural memory. You will find that your target acquisition time is going to go up faster. You're going to find that your target hit probability goes up dramatically. And you're going to find too that you don't fatigue as quickly. That's right. with proper adjustment and with proper interpretation of your limits or your advantages, you can actually bring the most out of that handgun or rifle and at the greatest range. Because here's the other half of this. I don't want them in my face. I don't want to see who I shot close up. I want them out there. I want them out far enough that when the next one pops up, he dies right next to the first one. And both of them so far out that I don't have to hear them blubbering. That's my first best choice. Why? Because I'm saving you at this point, you got to remember too, point of contact, point of impact. I want to keep them out because I want to put them down. There's another thing to remember. Psychologically, as a formation, be it an aggressor group in black uniforms that are part of the globalist scumbags being sent against America, Or if it's nothing more than a gang of thugs, highly less motivated, though sometimes motivated beyond common sense because of drug addiction or blood lust or whatever, either way when they start seeing a decimated force, the less brave begin to put the brakes on, you get out of a drift. And that thins out the battlefield quite a bit because once you start to put targets down, what's going to happen is the motivated ones will be easy to pick out. The less motivated ones will be hard to find because they're heading the other direction. Now there's two advantages. In a survival situation, you want to get every one of those that still wants to keep going. Why? Because they pose a threat to your area of operation and you want to neutralize them completely. If they are out on a thieving mission, if they are a bunch of brigands and pirates, the last thing you want is a bunch of these characters roaming around in your district. So you are going to have to deal with them. If it is a series of criminals like what we just saw and described in this case, well do you really want them in your neighborhood for very long or prowling or try to come back on anything? No, hell no. Again, it varies, it depends on the situation, but in a combat situation, especially against secret police, especially against any kind of invader force, when they start to see casualties on a large scale, they will try to come up with other solutions, but as far as being motivated in your face, they're not going to be too happy. Now then everybody's going to, well they got artillery, they got jets, that's another problem. We're talking about you having to deal with a direct threat right in front of you. You can come up with any other BS, lame excuses you want, but the only reason they're not going down is because you're not properly conditioning and training yourself. There you go. That's it. Otherwise, you are responsible for what's in front of you. We'll deal with the aircraft. We're going to get rid of the pilot problem is where you go. And you just get rid of the pilots and the planes don't launch. That's all there is to it, which means this war is very deep. When you start fighting an action like this, guys, there's a whole lot of stuff that's going to go on. And again, if I'm doing this as a belly gunner, the same basic principles apply. Be it prone, be it sitting, be it squatting, or offhand doesn't make any difference what it is. All of what I just described with the pistol most assuredly applies with a rifle. And if you do, and here's the scary part, and this has happened many times, actually in the handgun world as you know, Don, there's a lot more work to keeping that weapon on target. Oh yeah, oh yeah, this is like the sight line across. Yep. For that reason, a lot of guys, as they do get older, or they get a little tired, or sometimes guys will make comments when a guy has a bad day, hey, you ought to go join the belly gunners. We used to have that all the time on the range, especially in National Match competitions because somebody might be having an off day or something mucked up on their site. These guys are all competent shooters, they wouldn't be in the class that we were in. It's just one of those little snide comments that's made. But, on the other hand, you've got to remember that over on the rifle range where you hear that, the guys there are some of the top 100 or 500 shooters in the United States. And for that reason, yeah, they take what they've learned with the hand gunner, actually learned with basic pistol marksmanship. If you apply just that to your rifle gunnery, and then take your battle math formula and apply it people, you will defeat anyone you face because you will have three times the range in competency. And again, we don't need to keep it tech one dot on top of the other. All we gotta do is keep it in the pie plate. Center of mass, yeah. That's right, keep it in the pie plate people. I know men, I've watched, you see people can't tell me, oh you can't do that. I've done it myself and that's not bragging, that's just bottom line. I can, in fact I'll tell you what, two of my favorite light rifles, or not even light rifles, one's a main MBR, separate from the Grand and the 14, you give that to me and I can make that rifle sing every day. But I'll tell you what, two weapons that really fascinated me right from the beginning when they started coming into surplus. is the SKS and I don't care what anybody says about it, that rifle in its standard configuration is a phenomenal arm in an American rifleman's hands. You can make that rifle do anything you want to, provided you understand its limitations as far as the cartridge goes. But that weapon will sing for any rifleman who puts his shoulder to it. The other rifle, amazingly enough, is from the Arab world. It's the Hakim rifle. In 8mm Mauser, magazine fed, 10 shot, they came in at $69.95. We bought a bunch of those at that price. Whole units have them here in Michigan, and I know all around the country, but we bought a big chunk of them. I got some of the first three that we purchased out of the box. I grabbed the first one and we actually had this on the range over at Fort Custer. Pulling it out of the box, I was on the long range rifle range, so we had all the space we needed. and targets were already up. I pulled it out of the box. I fired three rounds for familiarization to see what the point of impact was. It was fascinating. It was, again, the guy who was shooting it, everything matched up physiologically. And I kept five rounds consistently at 300 yards, five rounds consistently at 500 yards, all within an area the size of a pie plate with a $69.95, 8mm, semi-automatic rifle, designed in Denmark and built in Egypt. And that rifle, I will tell you people, it's another singer. It's a sleeper rifle. Most important, like any semi-automatic firearm, remember it is gas operated. It must be maintained. It has to be cleaned. But the Hakim is an outstanding firearm with regard to performance. And so I would not even think twice. You give me, oh my god, there's one of these. Good. Give me that and all the ammo you got. I would be more than satisfied. Guess what? I will harvest rifles for you, but I won't give it up until I am out of ammo. Even then, I won't give it up. I will just wait until I find more. I will have something else to shoot by then, but I will tell you what. Every place I want to put a bullet from that weapon. Even in a crusty, rusty bore. I tell you what, we played with some of the ones that were damaged by other people. We bought them where other people bought them and didn't clean them. Even, I don't say rusty, God, but you know how it is. They give corrosive ammunition and they didn't pay attention. So, the dark bore, but even the dark bore rifles still will print just as nicely as can be, and considering the price are very, very reasonable. Of course, now they're kind of up there where the M14 is because there are no more Hakim's and a lot of people, it depends because sometimes you can find them coming in the show for $100, $150, and if you can get them for that, grab them. Don't even think twice. They are Hakeem rifles, they are gas operated, semi-automatic, they are works in a draw weapon and I will point something else out. They are a great weapon to confuse people with because if you don't really know how it works, it's one of those weapons that if you picked it up on the battlefield you have to have a moment to work with it. It doesn't look like it doesn't make sense. How does this thing work? It all looks too simple and once you look at it and realize what it does, it is incredibly simple. The maintenance on the thing is so simple, it's just, I mean, wow, I can't believe somebody built this like this. Everything comes out in one piece. The whole receiver works in a drawer tray system. So if you've got one of those, don't sell it. If somebody wants to get rid of theirs and they're thinking they want to get rid of their weapons, grab it. You can still get 8mm Mauser and premium partisan or a preview whatever it is partisan and you can get military ball still laying around here for a reasonable price. Don't worry about the sniper grade stuff although if you got it fine. But try to get the cheapest for the mostest that way you got more ammo to put down range. Some of you were lucky and got that $60 for what, 1600 rounds Don? That's a buy. I'm not certain if we have a call or a handgun and rain you know you can stand. can stand there and if you want to be a little more realistic you can shoot. You know that's all well and good that those eyes you know rings and by the time you really advance into a combat mode with it you might want to really move up the silhouettes. You can if times ranges will offer this time you shoot you're standing behind a piece of ply 10 yards or two yards behind your cover to the get over there like I'm hungover gonna be in the same place you guys think of swinging it's got a cup swinging my targets now we're shooting and it's possible but you can create moving targets want to get better at shooting almost uh, things online, are in line with your long guns. See, what am I going to do if I want to shoot around the corner with my long gun? Am I going to hold it straight up and down and lean around the corner and then use a target and then squeeze? You have to do this thing to your attack. Just describe it to you. Now, what you've done is you've kept your opponent guessing, yeah, I know they're right around that alley at brick wall right there. And guess what? At the wall shooting someone just back shooting from your tallest guy. You know, one of them, you know, little lambs. personnel you know what would be gun rules shooting at you isn't that and violating all the gun rules here but man who do we have picked up a so about you three-year-olds sure glocks are coming he'd be quite honest but of course are pretty light weapons begin with but that's it would be a million to one for the kid to hit oh so yeah what's the odds yeah and the mother said he was playing with the pistol I don't believe that for a minute that's what that's what happened in the day here in Fort Wayne Fort Wayne report.co.cc. BVAC-13B-MAC. Oh, 20, yes. No, that's a wildcat. It used to be a wildcat, yes. Center fire. Okay, and will that work in a 22 long rifle? No, no, no. Does that have to be a rim fire? No, it's got to be a rim fire. No, that's a wildcat that was built many years ago. It is still very popular. It's a great little varmint getter. It is popular in a lot of the little, there are several different bolt guns and single shot rifles and there are some handguns. The Thompson Contender has a barrel obviously, it's a very simple one for that. You can make brass for that in a number of different ways. We fabricated it in the past for some of the guys back in the 70s had the .22 Hornets when they first came out. No, that is a center for our cartridge, right? I believe so. What you're seeing there, yeah, no, no, it's not a rim fire. That is a center fire light. It's not light. It's actually a hot little pistol round. Now, it explodes on impact. For groundhogs, woodchucks, and little varmint critters that you're chewing up your farm, a lot of guys like to use that for a standoff light rifle where you can sit in place and start to pick them off. They'll never hear the note. They don't have time to respond. Very fast, very flat shooting, very high. Now, a lot of energy. How much was it a box? I'll flip back. I went to another page already. The only reason I asked was because I'm just curious what it was going for. Last time I think we bought it for $17 a box. $27.79 for $20. How much? $27.79 for $20. About 20 rounds? Well, again, not sure. 50 rounds? See, normally that comes in, and has traditionally come in 50-round boxes. The Remington comes in at 2150 rounds. The bullet itself is really where there is some money involved, but that is still not a reasonable price. That is where everything is going. I know that they are doubling and tripling everything wherever possible. That is part of trying to hamper and owning the ammunition. The only good thing is that's boxer-pined, reloadable, and that's what most people do with that round is they reload the hell out of it. A lot of guys build their own custom bullets. They cast their own bullets or they'll even machine bullets for that thing in solid copper or whatever if they want something that's a little more stable in flight for a little more range. Not much, but a little more range. I know guys that are tool and die men that have tooled out their own bullets for that cartridge. It is a good round. Anybody who has got one, don't throw it away. The only thing is, as we can see with a lot of the more exotic ammunitions or unique calibers, is that they've driven the price right up to the ceiling. There's none around here. We've got two here in Fort Wayne. I don't know if you recall, but I called you the guy and this was the day out the door. He goes, you know, put this rain check. I went back right to... Here's my rain check, man. What do you mean? He told you back in February. And he goes, well, I said you told me it wouldn't even be till fed. He goes, oh, I was like, gee, I kind of told you you should have grabbed everything you could. Little quick story here real quick before I forget this one. Nancy, coming from the Meyers over here on the west side of Ann Arbor, they have ammunition still, right? They don't have much, but they have ammunition. Well, guys, because some ammunition has not been available, right? They can't replace what they have on the shelf. They had some stale ammunition on the shelf. It was stale because it couldn't get any more. It was in short supply. Guess what they did with it? What do you do when something's outdated by, you know, it has a two year expiration date or it's stale on the shelf. What do you do with it? They couldn't mark them. They actually marked the stuff down by about 40%. Not replaceable. Somebody was real happy and jumped on that box. It didn't go stale unless it's... that step. Because they will walk it over and throw it in the dumpster. They throw it in the compactor and crush it. That's policy. And this is an example of your screwed up tax system where they let them write this BS off. There's nothing wrong with the merchandise. They do that. Well, now all of a sudden this last year they found out that they're kind of putting the brakes on that because they're trying to gouge them for more taxes. So, instead, now they're having to be forced to get the money out of the inventory. Well, it would be one thing if it was like some widget, a single piece of plastic made in China that cost $3 price tag on it and it's worth $0.10. But ammunition in this case, this stuff wasn't stale, wasn't even outdated. We're talking the latest inventory. But they were down to the last several boxes and they found they couldn't get any more. So the basic rule is when it gets to that point, if it's sitting on the shelf, mark it down to move it out. And somebody came in and said, hey, look at that. 40% off. What dummies? That's a wise thing. I would have gone up and done this. Have you got some more of that stale inventory laying there? Outdated stuff? Yeah, it could be a few days outdated. You never know. There might be expiration dates on it. I would check that out. Look, there's only a few boxes of that other stuff. What it comes down to is they can't get it. The logic is they won't have it on the shelf anymore. doing a look around for some airsoft parts the other day. Ann Myers is having a sale on at least at the Jackson Road store on some of their airsoft equipment. We're looking at the airsoft rifles, they're half price, that's about what you typically pay through one of the catalogs for the electric airsoft that they have there. They're the realistic looking airsoft rifles guys, which is going to become more rare as we go through the season. We've already got a heads up that they're pretty much putting a halt on anything that looks realistic like that coming into the country unless it's clear or looks like a sci-fi blaster. So it's another training aid issue. You want to make sure you take advantage of trying to get the training aids the way you can. Again, this isn't just true here in Michigan, it's all over the country. The inventories are being deleted. I'll give you an example. Go to Centerfire System and take a look at what they have left. Punch in Aerosoft when you get to CenterfireSystems.com and take a look at what is left of their inventory. It is minimal, absolute minimal right now. I just looked at it the other day again. Anyway, I'll tell you what, thank you Ed. We're almost at the top of the alert. Anything else, Spike? I don't know. You guys answered my question. Very good. Appreciate that. Well, we're going to let you go. Thank you. Thank you, sir. No problem. Thank you. I'll tell you what, Don, we are right at the top of the art here in the music. Yes, we are. Here you go. All right. Well, I'll tell you what, let's do this all together here, guys. All three of us. One, two, three. 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