May 11, 2009
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Mark Koernke discussed militia organization and training, including updates on Colonial Marine Militia units, Michigan militia exercises, and joint training operations in Iowa, Nebraska, and South Dakota. The show featured an extended technical discussion with a caller about military vehicles, particularly the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, its design philosophy, ammunition capacity, and comparison to other armored personnel carriers. Koernke addressed political correctness in the military, the opium trade in Iraq and Afghanistan, fratricide incidents, refugee policy, and concerns about devil worship and anti-Christian sentiment in the armed forces.
- colonial marine militia
- michigan militia
- bradley fighting vehicle
- armored personnel carrier
- preparedness
- military doctrine
- iraq war
- fratricide
- opium trade
- afghanistan
- political correctness
- red crescent
- constitutional rights
- militia training
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Clock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat. And speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost. You're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watch him tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dill the land of the free and good afternoon ladies and gentlemen This is a second hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Cronke One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, central, east, and northeast. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on liberty3radio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are on live 365. Then go to Liberty 3 Radio. We're also on EM&FM micro stations, CB Bay stations, and ultra net technologies, both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska, and the Aleutian Islands. And you will find us also on the Hallmark net, 8 colonial states plus all the tendrils and extensions. And I will remind you that we are going to be seeing the Golden Spike Day coming when all three of the different separate from the internet networks are plugged in. So pay attention because that's coming. And if it's just a win. Real quick, Andrew, thank you. Your letter came in. Jerry Lubbock. your letter is here and stuff on the way almost immediately uh... m p in georgia got yours and uh... yes everything is already in the mail will be gone actually should be your hands here in three days and as a half in california sf i know you're listening guess what uh... you already have stuff on the way we put stuff in the pit in the uh... mail for you as of yesterday and today. As a matter of fact, more just went out this afternoon. So pay attention. You guys all have packages in the mail. I would ask to remind you also you're going to have extra copies. Everybody that's getting mail right now is getting extra copies of the Knob Creek resolution so you have that to share with other people. Take the time to do that. Make copies. Also, the 29 pumps questionnaire I sent out as many of those as we possibly could and there are more on the way plus the handgun control incorporated agenda That is something that everybody's been asking for we're gonna have to make more copies. We just ran the last one in the mail last night So that's that's in motion also for Frank in Chicago and I think Rosalie in Iowa For both of our rebroadcasters there, you've got some stuff coming, discs on the way that are for programming. Please take care of that. And I think Edward is listening right now. You know what? There's a song I've wanted to play for a little bit. And in fact, Ed's right here in the studio with me too. But Carl Klangs, it's coming down. is kind of like the first of his won't fight for the New World Order pieces but it was from the original album. We might play that at the bottom of the hour. We got plenty of time to get ready for that. And if you are in the Midwest and you want to find out more about some of the other training that's going on here in Michigan, the guys and gals had a great time with the last event. MichiganMilitia.N-I-N-G.com michiganmilitia.nig.com. That's michiganmilitia.nig.com. A good time was had by all the last training date and there's going to be another one coming up pretty soon. Plus, and let's not forget this, We have alphiomegetraining.com. That's alphiomegetraining.com. So if you get a chance, check that out. There's a couple of sites for you. I know people are always asking for new contact points. And another one, because again, I mentioned Zussman-Ackerman, ZA. He has worked extensively with the colonial marines. In fact, their 50 calibers are used by pretty much all the colonial marine militia units. If you have not gone to the page yet, let's see, go to colonialmarinemilitia.4mg.com. Again, that's colonial marine militia.com. dot 4 mg dot com. The 4 is the number 4 mg dot com. That's colonial marine militia dot 4 mg dot com postings will be there and will be updated accordingly as they develop and a lot of the individual announcements especially for the RCTs as There are specific or significant changes take place will be there, too There are a lot of people have asked for colonial marine links a bunch of mail just went out again In fact, I've got one two three four five more requests here now. I'm going to remind you how this works these go out and to the RCTs and then they follow through accordingly. But if you would like to find out more, we will advance these as we receive them. You can send information to PBN, a request. Send an SASE to find out more about Colonial Marine Militia. Send an SASE to PBN, PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan 48130. Again, that's PBN. PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan 48130. And what we'll do is provide you with the contact information. Actually, if you request contact to be made, then it's going to be advanced to the unit in your area or to a new organizer depending upon the size of the formation. We've had a lot of new platoons and new companies that are being organized. The platoon strength units, 42 men, are traditional and were established back in the 1989. That has not changed. We also have new squads and structural formations that are support units that you can be a part of. If you're a former marine, then we like to try and point you towards the colonial marines for obvious reasons. The CMM has a long history. It has actually been successful in part of the dagger wars and is now part of the situation where we are obviously facing the defense of our liberty and the defense of the United States and it is an ongoing issue. But many, many, many people have made the CMM possible. It's multi-generational, so do not be surprised. You're going to be finding yourself amongst a long line of patriots that have worked very hard to build the organization up and have done a fine job accordingly. So that is part of the effort there. Now, militia efforts in general, people don't be afraid to use the M word everywhere. In fact, drop it everywhere you can in as many ways as you can. That's one of the best things you can do. If you aren't going to promote the militia, who will? You waiting for Google Women to do that? What the hell is wrong with your head? That's all I got to say. We got to be politically correct. Oh yeah, okay, well let me tell you something about this. If you've ever done anything that isn't politically correct and you're not part of the present little click in the regime, guys, you're not going to be safe under any circumstances. The Communist Manifesto is set up and that's what's being plugged in across the board here. The 10 planks dictate that getting rid of all the opposition is mandatory. And that includes anybody who doesn't have right think, and I don't care what you think you're going to BS everybody over, I'm going to bury my weapons, I'm going to hide this, I'm going to deny. Yeah, well you can deny. That's what they did in the Gulags. Read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago. If you have never read it, and I can't believe you haven't. If you're my age, then almost for everybody it was mandatory reading. Now in my case, it wasn't mandatory, but it was one of those things where Well, you know what, the book's around and there's so many copies of it and what the heck, I got time. Then I found out what Russian authors were all about. Oops, I had already read Tolstoy's War and Peace. So, let's see, wow, the British were right, Russians are long, long in the pen. And there are many other comments about that over the years. So the Russians try to do a very good job of detail. And so you can't claim, I didn't know by the time you're done reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago. What you then have to ask is when you turn and look at Hollywood, it's like, why aren't they doing movies about this? Oh, they can't because the best they will do is, oh, bragging about the glories of the Soviet, don't you know? And Stalin and the communists, yeah. Yeah, okay, well, kiss my arse on that one too. But that's part of this intentional twist to try and drag all this stuff together because a whole bunch of these spit, swap, and Soviets are now in our system, guys. That's where the problem is. Anyway, other stuff going on. Real quick here, we also have a series of exercises this weekend. As I said before, on the last hour, we have the Dayton O'Hara Arena event coming up. We also have a special session of the It's a joint training exercise, but it actually is a preparatory taking place with the Iowa militia. Iowa, Nebraska, and South Dakota are meeting. It will be a series of staff meetings. And these are confirmed. So for everybody that was thinking about waiting for an announcement, we're putting it up on the air for you so that everybody has that available. And we want to make sure that everybody remembers that this is a tactical exercise, a tactical meeting. So you will be camping out, and it will be rustic. So be prepared for that. And then tactical deployment with regard to radio rigs. Communications will be covered along with many, many other subjects, so take the time to do that. I'm looking for another piece here. Forgive me, but this is something that's on the air on top of everything else. So this is the second time. I've been so busy today. Hold on here that I've got it in my hand. I'm trying to find it so I can read the exact quote. Well, I'm going to have to pull back on that for the moment. I'll wait till probably 8 o'clock, because I have to take the hour in between. I was running right up until the last minute here with a conversation and an interview with somebody, and I did not get a chance to finish. And as I'm looking right at the page that I want, probably, and I just do not have it on hand. Anyway, one of the points is Condest and operations with regard to and this is tied into this whole thing with I'm gonna play it safe. I don't like those guys I'm gonna say that I don't like those guys Well, I've talked about this before and this is the old divide and conquer routine and every cycle this they played the same game Pat Buchanan of course was singled out by the ring knockers mostly by the leftist outer party members I don't know if you all remember this. It doesn't make any difference what you think about Pat Buchanan. We know that he is with most of the other societies, which means planned opposition. However you want to look at it, you take your pick. But it is interesting that for public appearances, the idea is to be able to embarrass or to do as much to the person without him responding appropriately. and uh... one of the things that they did is uh... well so-and-so or people that are working with staff are working with who are going to have the militia now simply the smart thing which would be to embrace that go yeah yeah you're right and it was all the designers now embracing it and maintaining the power base would have been the important thing in the way to deal with it and the main or singing they can bang on their gone into your blue in the face but you know what the limping uh... decided to uh... go the other direction or will Oh, he's resigned to leave. And that basically shows weakness. Okay, that shows cowardice. The enemy rubs their hands and laughs at such cowardice because that is part of getting you to react rather than respond to an action. Do you see how that works? And the same is true with what you're seeing right now. What did they just do with the, and I'm laughing because if you're already on the list, if they already made this thing with Myak up, how many people out there did they, oh, I don't know about this or that, don't take them, kill them, oh my goodness, I'm not with them. But did you notice it's the same scam, only compressed. every time around, and this time around it was hyper-accelerated to a degree, but it's still already too late. Most everybody should understand that if they stated that you're on a list, let me ask you something. How do you think you're going to get off that list? Or how do you think that they would possibly even think to clear you from that list? Why should they? because you ran it and raved and had a tantrum and because you uh... political or attacked uh... what was technically an ally because your enemy told you that if you didn't do this they wouldn't like you you know how stupid that sounds do you think that anything that you could do once they've already named you and demonstrated publicly that they perceive you as an enemy that there's any pulling back Please, I would love, I want anybody who has that kind of mindset to call into the program if you want to. And please, talk to our audience and tell us all about how this is going to work. How all of a sudden you do this magic incantation and the bad guys just go, oh! Ah, stupid me! I was looking at this all wrong! You were right, it was a mistake! Oh, I did not mean to mention you! I was just talking about those other guys, too, I should have bought me. Yeah, yeah, right in file, really stupid, could possibly be used as quizzling. Yeah, you see how that works? So please, explain to me. Mark may be stupid on this one, but if they've already mentioned you... I'm going to put you on the list. Like the MIAC report where everybody, first of all, remember the P-brains are going to continue to be P-brains. Do you think that if they are already affected by that report, do you think that there is anything that is going to fix that with them? Because there are certain P-brains, they don't care who they help. They would work for the Devil himself because if they are little power freaks, being what they are, if they are little power freaks, they don't care. Now, they are miserable people. These are the characters in uniform. First of all, does everybody understand there are two groups of the largest groups to commit suicide in the country? Who they are? Do you know which groups they are? One is cops and the other are psychotherapists and psychologists. Okay, psychiatric types. Okay, psychologists, you know, shrinks, etc. Now that would tell me number one. Hey these characters got a problem. So what is it's causing all this schism for them? Okay for the cops uniform types Of course, part of that could be that they're having suicide committed upon them because they took the wrong brown envelope. They've been doing too many dope deals on the side, too much table scraping, competing with another dope dealer. Who knows? OK, that can be from one end. And they're being suicided. Or they're being suicided by the ring knockers because they're not ring knockers. And that's as likely as not, too, because you've got to remember a little spit-swapping ring knockers will try to murder other people if they can. So they have suicide committed upon them. And, for the Shrinks, the next question is, if these characters are all this bad off, that they have one of the largest suicide rates in the country, why would you go to them? Oh my goodness, you're not supposed to think about that either. If that's the case, and these characters are all committing ritual, super-coo in whatever way, and they don't necessarily use a gun because that wouldn't be politically correct. So what do you do? Jump off a building, hang themselves, drive their car into an abutment, whatever? Well, one way or another, they're rated as most prone to suicide. So why would I want to go to those characters? Now beyond that, looking at the overall situation, you've got to ask some basic questions here about the system. These are the characters that would then, as power, what is it that bidders them to that point to life? And I think part of it is that this whole power freakishness that they've invented, the me, me, me, I, I, I, me, me, me stuff that initially they buy into, it gets pretty lonely after a while. Nobody wants you over. Nobody wants you around. You are constantly doing the embittered scabbiest scratch scratch scratch at the wounds thing or spying or it looks like you are a thief when you walk in the house because you are scanning everything as if you are looking for something to steal. Which is the same with the secret police or like these acorn types or all these other rats you got out there now. These Commissar wannabes. Why do you want them? Nobody wants to have anything to do with them. They are going to want to have anything to do with them. Another thing is the embitter, there's a combination of things. They all buy into this forever young agenda, and they all buy into this constant yap about power this, power that. Well, at a given point, they become so self-isolated that they don't know what to do with themselves. Now, first of all, they'll become really embittered, and they become really vicious, and they become really mean for a while, but eventually you see time waits for no one. And then what do they have? They have nothing because they are very much alone. You see how that works? So let me ask you something. Have you ever been around a whole bunch of patriots? Have you ever noticed how we pretty well keep an eye on each other and watch out for each other? And we enjoy each other's company. We actually have a lot of fun. We laugh all the time. We don't laugh because we're ridiculing somebody. We laugh because we're enjoying each other's company because we're actually having fun. Most of these other characters that you're talking about laugh at somebody else's pain. That's the difference between our side and their side. Uh oh, I heard a bling. We might have a caller. Do we have a caller? Yeah, there was something on my computer. I apologize. Oh no, bling. Well, that's okay. Let me know you were there, Marcus. Jump in. You know, I was trying to download and I filled my disk up at people at http colon forward slash forward slash. htpp colon forward slash forward slash type in steve's s-t-e-v-e-s that's sierra tango echo victor echo sierra steve's pages that's papa alpha gulf echo sierra steve's pages dot com and then forward slash the word page the number seven the letter charlie or c.htm. Okay, or just go to stevepages.com and you can go on that page there and it has back to World War II a lot of the FM's from various services, mostly Army. And I just had to be downloading one I was going to give to a kid, how to shoot your M16-8R15 in combat. M14, M14A1 rifles and rifle marksmanship since his dad has an M14. And his uncle has a US rifle caliber 30 M1. So guess which three things I was going to download for that young man to have for his dad and grandpa's rifles along with his new little AR15. All the best manuals. Exactly. US Army, US grade, we paid for them. Your tax dollars at work, and it doesn't say oh my god. You can't look at them. Oh my god You can't the secrets on the mysteries of the military You know if you notice that the new ones have destroy don't let the peasants see them And what's really interesting that demonstrates you in the past it was like hey department defense FM blah blah blah TM blah blah blah, okay? We met there's nothing here says anything, but yeah, you know what the hell everybody used them Hopefully you have to write you know how to use your rifle. No. Oh you got to get one of those Attitude totally different. Well the reason I bring that up, Tuesday, well this is Monday and I know Tuesday's communication stuff and Wednesday's weapons, but I'm downloading this, I'm going to fill up a CD with various, these manuals and I can download the gun stuff in one file and download the military manuals in another one. And I'm going through like, I never trained on a Bradley, okay? We didn't have Bradleys in the service I was in. We had the Marines had Bradleys and the Army had Bradleys. But we sort of looked at the Bradleys and practiced what we'd have to do if we had to take one out. But I never operated one. I didn't care what kind of ammo they had because if they got a shot off of me I figured I was dead anyway and I was going to high drill good. But I was going to take them out first. So anyway, I got to read through and it's amazing that you just read through these Army manuals and if you know what you're doing you find weak spots. and the holes in their theory and wow that's how the army fights a war. No wonder they get their butts kicked. No disrespect to your army service but I'm like if that's really how they follow these army academy graduates whatever no wonder the army has to go back into Afghanistan. Do you know what I'm saying? Part of it is too and now you've got to remember and of course they have changed doctrine you know progressively they've tried to alter it but they're very A very hard... The Army's slow brother. Yeah, everybody. You're dealing with a monster machine that has a bureaucracy that's longer than a supply train supporting Patton. That's the best way to describe it. The old Red Ball Express. It goes forever, man, because Patton's always way out ahead. Yeah, well for that reason, the supply train never catches up. Anyway, it would also have a patent thought outside the box too. Right, well no, but you see what I mean, in other words, the length of the time it takes, the duration. The thing is that with the Bradley, what I look at it as whenever I see it is I just look at it as one big massive resupply pod for an infantry unit. because the amount of material that's carried on board, on the roof, same with these strikers or even with a BMP or a BTR. They're designed to support an infantry unit in the field. I mean, that's really what they are. As much as anything, look at them as not just an armored taxi slash armored infantry fighting vehicle because they're either an APC or an IFV, but also they're a rolling resupply dump. Well, can I emphasize that point? Yeah, of course. It says if a Bradley is fully loaded, it carries 4,200 rounds of M16 ammo. It carries approximately 12 to 1,500 rounds of 7.6x51, which is 308 Winchester, on top of the 200 rounds of, was it 240 rounds or 230 rounds or 250 rounds of 25 millimeter. You know what I'm saying? So you're just talking extra ammo right there. Right, and then on top of that you've got to remember that's just combat load for the coaxial, for the roof guns, and for the... The little window guns, access port guns. Right, and whether or not those have them, depending on what year they were made, some still have the ball stations in place, others had them panelled over, and that's an example of what we were talking about earlier about politics in the military. The only reason that they did, I mean first of all we built the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. It was bigger, it was meaner, etc. But it was only built the way it was to accommodate two things. Number one, we wanted to increase the amount of material we could get into the field with the troops. And, well, I guess three, because you could also combine with that was the idea of that roof gun offering more firepower to support that squad when it dumped out of the rear end of the vehicle. But, the only real reason we built it, and the big excuse, was the fact that we put infantry fighting stations on board the vehicles to mimic what the Russians did with both the BMD, the BMP, and still later on the BTR 60s, the BTR 70s, etc. Now, they came up with a pretty straightforward and simple system. We grossly overcomplicated everything. And we could have built it exactly the same way. And infantry fighting stations were not new. Take a look at the Saracen APC, the Saracen six-wheeled APC that we've the Brits made. It was a simple design. Right, very reliable, easy to operate, work, simple fighting stations, and those guys were carrying FALs or stirlings at the time. Now, Sterling is a short submachine gun, but the FAL is a main battle rifle in .308. Now, the logic behind the fighting stations is that the infantry can participate in the battle. Now, there's a couple things that are tied into this. Number one, despite what everybody says, it feels good when you're being shot at to pull the trigger and fire back. Okay? And that's something that, you know, for morale boosting, if nothing else, it makes you feel like you're doing something. And that is critical to keeping the troops motivated to continue to move. Well, that was one part of it. And also the idea that because, and this is the other component which everybody is seeing right now, is the purpose behind infantry fighting stations was to help to suppress anti-armor potential along the flanks of the vehicles, especially when they were in motion as in traveling, which is what traveling is where you're not expecting contact, you know, non-stop, but contact is possible, such as in road convoys. And the concept here is that they would already be in a seated position monitoring their area of control and if they saw a threat or if they were fired upon they could return fire and suppress the attacker. Or the vehicle commander could tell them contact right, contact left and they could get to their station and go for it. Exactly. And that's one of the things that everybody forgets. And here's the thing, Sentia paid for it. This is what bothers me the most. They built it and we paid for it in the McVie. We already built it. The Philippines and Holland bought the original McVie. It had a slightly less powerful engine. They say it was a little underpowered, but in reality they worked. They're still in service and they've been running them for how many years? And they could always upgrade them once they wanted to do that. I mean if they want to change. Power plants not a big deal. But anyway, since we already built the bumps and the humps on the hull, why in God's green earth would you then turn around and take them off? because what they did is they left the bumps in place. Look, in fact, you're in a modeling geyser if you're into imagery. Google Bradley Fighting Vehicle. Okay, Google the Bradley Recon Vehicle, the Infantry Fighting Vehicle, and the latest variants. And look at the difference. You know what the difference is? They still cast the same hull components. They didn't change anything. They just took big plates and covered up, you know, just bolted in place to armor up. the infantry fighting stations which makes no sense at all you're casting them into place you already had the parts there and then the bright ideas oh all what we'll do is we'll discontinue we'll drop them out why you're already making them they're already available the stations work use them if they don't want to use them the guy won't use them The infantry of the team won't use them. That's all there is to it. Now the problem was, and I know the issue of the size of the weapon, etc. Here's nothing that bothered me about that. Is they made a shorty that was designed specifically for the fighting station. Leave it to the US. Now the Russians have the Krikov. Yeah, you call that the M231? Yeah, the Krikov was built for the same purpose, by the way, with the Russian vehicles. It was designed for the armored vehicle fighting stations to be more convenient in several ways. Yeah, it was called VM-231. Yeah, it was available to the troops. And you know what, build them and leave them. Build them and I saw how these originally were configured, and when they weren't in service they were racked to the wall anyway, or they were racked to the center fighting to a center security station in the middle of the APC. The original McVie was a rolling arsenal. It had two dragons, it could carry two mortars, had all the rounds to support that, plus it could carry all of the individual weapons for the soldiers, plus the firing port weapons, plus the roof coaxial, you know, the coaxial gun and the main gun, and had the option for even a roof gun in the original configuration. It was an option they never went with. So this thing was basically, it was a rolling porcupine. In every direction you could be firing. And they went from that to, well, then why do we build the Bradleys? What I kept asking, if you take all this off... And all you have is that main, that new main gun on the roof. You could have done the same thing with the M113 and the Gavin was highly automotive, much smaller silhouette. You can make more of them for less money. We already had them in production. The M113... It actually went faster in miles per hour. Exactly. It went further on a gallon of diesel. Further on fuel for less and you lost less when you got hit. Because if you're going to get hit, And you get hit in the smaller vehicle as opposed to the larger vehicle. It doesn't matter how we look at it, it's sad to say it, but it's a fact of combat infantry life, is people are going to get hit and people are going to get hurt. And if you have a smaller package and you only lose one and there are fewer people in it, you're a lot happier because there's more of you left around to fix the guys that are still alive, if there are any, and also to continue to carry on the fight. You can you know armored taxis and armored infantry fighting vehicles an APC is a taxi basically guys like a poor man's bus Well, actually no a Cadillac bus. It's not cheap at all And these are concepts that you know are you know that they lay them down and then they just disappear Well, Mark, you didn't even get to the good part of the story. Oh, go ahead, please. Yeah, continue what you were doing. Remember when they first came up with the concept was from Vietnam, right? And how many years, and it took an Air Force colonel to finally get it in production, but how many years did they play with this thing before you finally went into production? It was 17 years. Remember? Oh yes. Even as we have it. It was one of the projects that longer and more costly to build for what they got and they found out the Israelis were building it on a separate production line but all the improvements that this Air Force colonel wanted to do but the Army still wanted to go the old way. Well another interesting thing about that was, now you can just back up a little bit on that, the idea that Bradley paralleled the secret project everybody thought it was that we had an idea what was going on. It paralleled the project that was eventually to be known as the BMP. When the BMP first came out, it was a kick butt and it still is a very viable APC. There is nothing wrong with it. Everybody sees a track and they think, tank! That's not a tank. It's an APC. It's a light infantry or light armored vehicle. Our Bradley, even for its weight, is still a medium light armored vehicle, but light. It's not a tank, it's an APC, it's an infantry fighting vehicle. It doesn't have the armor. Just because it has a shape and has tracks doesn't make it a heavy combat vehicle, which is something we have a hard time with. It's like looking at mobile artillery. Man, it's got a big gun, it's got a long tube, it's got a big turret, it's got a hole that doesn't turn all the way. But it's got a big turret. Oh, that must be real. You know what, you hit that tin can, she pops open real quick. M109s don't look real impressive when they get hit with any tank ground, trust me, because there's not that much armor there. The armor is designed to protect from shrapnel and fragmentation. It was not designed to stop main tank rounds. Okay, small arms. Bradley, yes, small arms and then fragmentation from counter fire. That's what it was designed to do to offer protection to the crew. The Bradley, the M113, the M114, the BMP, the BTR 60, BTR 70, BTR 80, the older BTR 50s, all of those were and are nothing more than light fighting vehicles. Now Mark let me ask you a question. Wasn't the original rabbit called the M2? Well, the M2 but the original term was McV. Right, the McV. Then it was like the M2. This now is a 2003. The M2A2, M3A2, M2A2ODS, and ODS-E, the M3A2 ODS, M2A3 and M3A3, M6 Linebacker, M7 Bradley Fire Support Team. And you know what ODS stood for, don't you? Operation Desert Shield. I was going to say, I was going to use another term. Well, I just learned the mistakes and they improved it from Operation Desert Shield. And like I said, But it's amazing though, like you just said, that they, guys, if you've got something, they could put it down range, you fire one round at a time, and it's accurate, it's accurate, and it's accurate. Okay? They can fire all the rounds they want, and what I've been reading, they gotta change the barrels out after about two minutes. Okay, yeah, they put a lot of rounds down range, but they one late waste a lot of ammo, and then the guns no good to them. So if you're firing one round at a time, and it's accurate and it's accurate and it's accurate what's the problem? What do you always say Mark? What's your favorite thing? 500 what? Yeah 500 misses don't constitute a hit. It's not a cumulative video game guys it doesn't work that way and that's one of the things that I see too you'll find that they actually you know Bradley Gunners a lot of guys you we got guys out there Bradley Gunners that are experienced. That's why that single placement round, trying to hit him at range or trying to fire single placement rounds, was to create a banking of the barrels life expectancy so that if you got into a crisis situation where he said, tank, tank, tank, tank, tank, go to the left, go to the left, go to the left, and then you swing around and you, oh my goodness, he's a lot closer than I thought, then you just put her on full auto and let her chug. And the idea is pepper the snot out of whatever's in front of you and hopefully you'll pull optics, maybe put a round into the tube, maybe at least smack something critical. But one way or another you're going to distract the gunner before he pulls the trigger and turns you into, well, a big canoe, you know, an open top vehicle. And that's the whole idea, is that you, again, otherwise try to use accuracy over volume fire. But as we know with the resources typically that the government has, the fingers have a tendency to get a little heavy. It's like an accelerated pedal feat, you know, the same thing. Well, I feel for our kids that have to use some of this equipment. I really do. I know we're heading towards the top. One of the things to remember about this is that Bradley was a good idea. I really do think it was. I was in the McVie prototypes when they were first built. And to me it was a cool idea. It even had a little hair shorter silhouette in its original proposed design. I also went with the one man and narrower turret, much less sophisticated turret, which I think in the long run would have been better because most people don't understand that to make things fit in the turret, but the way they expanded it, they still had to go with really small microswitches. A lot of guys that are operating in the turrets know this. They've changed a few things. They spread things out a little bit to compensate, but one of the first problems they had was mistakes that were made just in trying to operate the controls. because the micro-dip switches that they were using, little toggle switches, it was easy for a person with a gloved hand to activate things or to double switch stuff that they didn't want to touch. And this becomes a real problem. And the reason is because they had to crunch more into a smaller space to get everything into the turret that they wanted. That was something we saw right from the beginning both of the prototypes later on with the M2s as they came out. They changed just kind of like we talk about the McVie, or not McVie, forgive me, the Humvee. And I noticed everything had V back in the 70s. That was the whole thing. Humvee, Cuck Vee, McVee. They didn't call it the Abrams Vee, McDonald's Vee, whatever. Anyway, the point is that everything basically worked off that nomenclature and they progressively pushed away from it. So they tried to come up with more, I guess, modern dynamic names. But there was a whole different philosophy as far as what they were trying to accomplish. The biggest complaint with the 113 was they wanted more goodies to take with them. Which means that if you did, you strapped it on the roof, you piled it up on the back, you tied it to the sides and hung it. Whereas what they were hoping to do by accomplishing the mission of creating a bigger vehicle is being able to carry more and have it inside where the troops could access it without exposing themselves. To a degree they accomplished that but they dropped the basic philosophy in many areas trying to add too many more bells and whistles to the basic system. And that's where they ended up with a lot of problems. So again, KISS, keep it simple, stupid. Let's put it this way. Here's an example. I know everybody always jokes about this, space programs. We come up with a million dollar pen, the Russians use a pencil. We come up with the space shuttle, the Russians use a big aluminum, we always joke about this, but it's a big aluminum ball. They cast a big aluminum ball, they come in with the routers and grind out the inside and they use it for a spaceship. Well, here's the kicker. Okay, the pencils are still around, the space pens nowhere to be had. Space shuttles, we've lost a couple, we only have so many left, and we ain't replacing our pickup trucks. Right now, to give you an example of long-term reliability, when it's simple, is what kind of vehicle, or whose country's vehicle is hooked up to the space station as an emergency life pod? There's... Yeah, there's the big Russian aluminum balls. Why? Because they work. Now, I'm surprised that the Russians haven't financed putting another one in. Personally, if I were anybody, and it's the International Space Station, I'd put three or four of them on standby simply because make more, hook them up, leave them. If you need them, it's kind of like the ejection pods in Star Wars. At least you can get to one or whatever, depending on where it is on the station, you'll get to it before you fry or before you freeze, depending on the situation. Well, speaking of space, I've got to ask you a question about what happened in Iraq today. Did you hear what happened at Camp Liberty outside of Baghdad? Oh no, go ahead please. One of our young army soldiers supposedly killed four of his comrades, wounded three others, and they shot him or he shot himself but he didn't kill himself. Or they didn't kill him trying to take him down. But we had four casualties today due to factricide. Well, you know that gets back to the old story about the fragging days. In this case, a little different story. There are a couple of gentlemen I served with that were in the MPs during Vietnam. That is how they got one of their Purple Hearts. It was not necessarily, of course, you would have to look at the history and understand maybe the reason for it having happened. In this case, do we know what unit? Any ideas? No, it wouldn't say. No names, no, not which unit, just what camp. And all we could assume by the way they were talking, and one of them did say one of the new things here in Georgia was, it was Army. Okay, we'll find out more about that. The problem we have with the situations, especially when you've got a whole bunch of people in uniform, you put them in one place, is as things digress, as they degrade, You're going to see more and more tension amongst the troops as more of the dope dealing. This is stuff that is the problem with the area you're in. It's like Vietnam guys. You're right there off the Golden Crescent. A lot of people see things that they didn't want to see or didn't think they'd see in uniform. A lot of tension is created in different ways. Like in contractors. Yeah, contractors will muck you up every time and that's again. Everybody used to use the term mercenaries in Vietnam and everybody was thinking, well we ain't going to see that again. And lo and behold, everything we saw that mucked up Vietnam is what they have plugged in to muck up Iraq. They didn't learn a blasted thing. The goofs were allowed to plug everything in. And one of the things that's a subroutine here, I guarantee that you are not going to hear anything about, they'll be told to shut it up as much as they can, is the dope trade. We are not doing anything about the opium in Afghanistan Iraq is a bleed off for that and a lot of it's part of the spice trade guys part of the spice roots the old roots that go back before any of these countries that are over there existed and The spice roots include all of the things from hash slash hashish. Okay to opium to any number of other drugs that you, you know, they're part of the pharmacopharmacopoeia that have been around for a couple thousand plus years and then some in many cases. So we put our troops right in the middle of that boiling pot. So there could be any number of things, not the least of which also simply somebody's having a bad hair day, they've been tensed out, I mean like it isn't, they aren't being shot at, gee, what a surprise. But you don't know what's going on back at home. You don't know what's happening with the interaction between the troops there. And between all these things, you mix that up into one pot, you've got yourself a hell of a tense situation. And that's what we're dealing with right now. Which is another reason we need to have all of you talking to the troops, talking to your boys, talking to your girls that are overseas. You cannot isolate them or forget about them. Out of sight, out of mind, that's the most common mistake that's been made for a long time. Amen, brother. And we knew this was going to happen. I warned everybody about this. Be ready for this as it develops because you see, you notice something, let me give you an example, Marcus, and this is something I watched up here. Everybody was rah, rah, rah into the war two years ago, three years ago, four years ago because it was fresh. And every time that a kid was killed over there, all, well, initially everybody was coordinated so all the flags came down. half-mask right but then after the first year most of the flags came down but some people weren't quite paying attention as much and then about the third year and fourth year out well the flags about only 50% of them went down and sometimes they were up and other days they were down because somebody didn't find out about it right away and the news media wasn't really making any special announcements anymore And now, how many times do you see everybody coordinated in a state where they actually have made any effort to identify that you need to lower a flag for the fallen over there in Iraq or Afghanistan? Only if the government gets involved and lets people know. And they don't make any effort at all and the control press could care less. And that's where we are now. It's like I said, eventually, especially when they start talking about this, 100 years war. We're going to be over there 100 years. Well, exactly what we said after a while. Out of sight, out of mind. And it's sad, but it's just the way things are. We should have gotten in, deal with the problem, get the hell out of dodge. You know what? If Iraq wants to deal with Iraq, if the Kurds want to deal with the Iraqis, and the Iraqis want to deal with the Kurds, whatever they're going to do, that's their country, not ours. It's their business. That's right. We don't need Dragon. Here's the other thing now. I've had several people ask me a question and it would not surprise me because they were doing all this propaganda BS about a month ago, guys. Prepping everybody for the next wave of refugees. Now wait a minute. Now Marcus, don't we control, say, east, we control East Iraq, right? Yeah, sure. We control Central Iraq, don't we? Well, I'm just saying in general, like as far as, you know, didn't we invade all of Iraq? That's what they tell us. Okay, so East Iraq we got control over, oh, but the British. Central Iraq we got control of because we got, bugadab. And then we don't forget, we have troops up there in Kurdistan because we at least, we had Special Forces personnel there. So, with that being the case, who the hell do we get these refugees from Iraq from? What do we get them for? We got Iraq liberated, didn't we? If Iraq's liberated, who the hell do we bring over here? We don't need to bring any Iraqis over here. Tell them to stay right there in their glorious liberated country where they belong. Now, the only reason we could be having refugees being brought over here is because we've mucked it up over there and screwed the country up so bad somebody's made some enemies. That's about it. Otherwise, I'm a little confused. We control the country. They tell us it's feudal resist. You'll be absorbed. Blase, splee. And then all of a sudden turn around and tell us they're going to dump 20,000 refugees on us because that's the number I've heard. Now, I don't, they said they were Arabs, and my logic is, let's see, we're not talking Kuwaitis, we're not talking Jordanians, I know we haven't been doing anything in Lebanon, certainly not Saudi Arabians, they don't like us, and they already own all the party stores they want, and so let's see, Iraqis, that would be about the only ones left. Well, you know why they want to bring more Muslims over here, don't you? Sure, so they can create that much more of a conflict in the long run when the time comes. Exactly. That's all it's for. They have no interest otherwise. I can give you a whole list of people we can bring into this country that will be fine productive people that are all consistent, good conformed to our way of life pretty much and integrate without any problem rather than creating more conflict and heartburn in the Tower of Babel nonsense. That's again what half of this problem is right now. That's what they're trying to create. We know that. Anyway. When we went to Desert Shield, Desert Storm, and then Operation Provide Comfort, which we didn't do. But we had a mission, we knew we had to do, we got prepared, the Schwarzkopf got us together, and they went in and let us do what we had to do. And as they said, we won one for the Gipper, or Gipper Junior. And then we got Gipper the third later, and then adopted Gipper. Now we got the, I mean, Bachelorette, I mean the other Gipper. They don't let our kids win. When's the last war that was truly won? Can you think of one? We certainly didn't win Korea. We're still fighting it. Which war we've actually won? The last war the United States of America on the Union side won was when they defeated the South and they still had occupied Georgia a second time. You know, that's the last true war that we ran. Everything else was little flare ups and conflicts. I mean, how many times are they going to kick Mexico's butt and now we still need to go back and fight them again? You know, we never learn, and you're right, we never learn because you've got people who worship the devil and the biggest problem in the United States Army right now is that wicked, devil-worshipping people that are allowed to be there and the Muslims But if you profess any religion other than Muslim or devil worship, you can't talk about Jesus Christ. You can't have the Bible. You can't have it translated into the language, but ours. And you can't even have it out in the open. The chaplains are destroying them. You know, people, you've got to understand we are under attack. And all you Christians, or supposed Christians who claim to be Christian, but you're meek and mild. I'm going to wait till the rapture. I've got another one for you. You better go back and read your Bible. It says, let your light shine and be bold, does it not? Real quick, one of the things we just had reported here, and I would have to ask this question, we just had a column on 994 here of medical rigs, some like their Humvee ambulances and such. And all of them were marked with a red crescent, not with a red cross. It's being politically correct brother. Right and the interesting thing about it is we'll have pictures shortly here by we may have them in the file I don't know yet but we've got other people that are keeping an eye on the highways once we get the notice out but what's interesting is the red crescent everybody goes well why would they have that on there? Well because that is the counterpart to the red cross and the Muslim nations. So, lo and behold, I would not be surprised at all that these goofs being politically correct have been marking all of our vehicles with red crescents and will continue to do so and expand on that policy. And to turn them over to who? Oh, by the time they're done. That's more of the giveaway program. Oh yeah, by the time they're done those will be handed over. Well, it's like Vietnam. Vietnamese got the brand new equipment, our troops got all the hand-me-downs. They're driving the brand new 3 quarter toners. We were driving the stuff that was tired in, you know, lane. Everything that had bolts falling off it or was, you know, used in, you know, occupation and career or whatever. Or Japan. And that was true of a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean that we didn't get some new gear. But the troops basically had mostly hand-me-downs, whereas the Vietnamese received brand new production right off the line, right out of the factory, pulling it out of the crates and having to put it together, pulling it out of the crates and cranking her up. That's all there is to it. And that's the same thing you're going to see now. A lot of the newest equipment, our stuff's falling apart. We are handing over, I will say this, and that is happening we know in Iraq. We're handing over a percentage of the stuff right now even as we speak, and they're getting the older stuff or the piecemeal components. Because you know, for everyone that's being fragged, when you see a pile of wreckage, don't make any mistake about it, guys. That wreckage isn't going to waste. They aren't throwing most of that away. Iraqis labor is cheap. You can't tell me they aren't going, wherever they can and piecemeal and clunkers back together because just what's nature of the beast and the way it works. Expect to see more of that too. But anyway, quick point, I don't disagree. The whole wick and the devil worshipping thing right now is big time, has been for a long time. We saw it, we had many reports and people who openly were in Europe who were explaining this. We've seen this also in the Pacific theater so it's nothing new there. Everybody needs to be prepared for this kind of thing and that's why we are better armed just like the letter I had today I got to agree with our guys. We are better armed, better equipped, far better trained even than we were when we were in the military. Although I did shoot a lot of rounds when I was in service because they you know I was a competition shooter and you know worked as a trainer so I got to pull the trigger a lot more often than most. Whenever there were leftovers we fired them out. Well, we're carried him home and we outfitted a whole lot of armies. Oops, did I say that? Yeah, I did. Oh, volunteer for the ammo detail. I always did. Exactly. Anyway, we're getting close to the top of the arm. Marcus, you can close with me here in a second as soon as we get there. I think Mike's waiting in the wings there somewhere. He might be listening. But I hear it. There's the music. I'll tell you what, guys. So we're closing out the second hour. 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