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I'm our corny and I'm Donald Thatcher One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, Central, Southwest, East, and North. libertytreeradio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we are on live 365, then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations, and ultra net technologies, both east and west of the Mississippi, along with southern and central Alaska. You'll also find us on the Hallmark Network, 8 colonial states, and expanding even as we speak. and North Georgia, Tennessee, East Kentucky and Ohio. So the Hallmark Network is working that way. Don, today's date is... 1911 is a real good version like that. You probably don't want to be surprised like things to go your way, but things don't. You get close, you know, in today's decisions and scenarios, one might think that, gee, I don't want to get this, putting my knuckles on it. So 1911 would be done with it. That's Don's thoughts on it. Seems having to worry about those knuckles having to be bandaged later. Exactly. Kind of like a bug as money, things. Don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don critical to understand about the 1911 in its original configuration was designed to take a whole hell of a lot of abuse and in the process continue to function flawlessly. That's why we love the 1911 design. You can't necessarily do that with a Glock. Yeah, I'm going to rub that in because the Austrian Glock had limitations and it was built into it just the way. If you're looking at the Glock, it is a tool for a certain part of the toolbox. Okay, just like anything else, we have different niches. You know, say you have like, you know, three quarter inch, seven eights, nine sixteenths, half inch. Guys, there are different wrenches for different jobs. So in the same case, there are different weapons for different tools. And the Glock originally was designed as a handout weapon for troops who aren't going to typically fight. Well, did I say that? Well, it was again a good idea. It works. It's kind of like the promotional for the Glock where it originally was supposed to go and where it is now or two different worlds. Glock loves it because it's the cheapest weapon to build that they can make and they make a gross profit on it. Guarantee, horrific profit. Now if we did it in the United States, it would be lamenting. Overseas are doing it and everybody just keeps mind the Glocks. Oh well. That's kind of fascinating. Smith & Wesson tried to make their version of it. Their polyframe 9mm that came out for a bit and it's still out there wandering around. But they had a terrible problem with the front sights staying in. And this is the fact that we know a lot of guys who had the 9s that were produced by Glock as the counter, or forgive me by Smith and Wesson as a counterpart. Well, best is back when the foreigners owned Smith and Wesson. They just couldn't quite come up with a solution or figure out how to keep those sites on those slides. I don't know what it was. Might as well buy a bucket of them because you're going to lose them. Let's slide that thought over into another direction and keeping the slide on the frame. I was hoping that you would recount the police officer who introduced his and then thought he might want to shoot them but the gun didn't function because... Right. He hit the guy to knock him down. And in the frenzy of the battle that he was involved in, he pulled the gun and realized that he couldn't shoot the guy. So when the guy lunged at him, he hit him. Well, he hit him with a pistol and wrapped it up the side of the guy's head. Well, then the guy came back as he rolled to the ground and came back up with a knife and he turned to use the weapon. Of course, he stepped back and brought the weapon up to bear. and found out he had half of the firearm. Only the Glock frame was still in his hands. The slide was somewhere on the floor rolling around. I'm a big fan of metal. Embarrassing with. It doesn't mean you can't use it for pistol whipping, as they say, but it doesn't necessarily work all that well under certain conditions. And it's the nature of the firearm. It was not designed to take hot loads. It cannot handle. In fact, remember, the first thing you tell you is factory loads within a very narrow range to begin with. Although people have tried using hotter loads, there have been errors made because of that. Also, issues with Glock, which years ago, this is something that's not new now. Glock is pretty well settled. I think it was industrial sabotage. Something on that nature, but Glock had a whole string of barrel failures, one after another after another. It was also barrel and frame failures. They ironed out very, very quickly or they caught hold of what was going on. We've not seen any wave of that or they're doing a better job of keeping a tight lid on it that there is a problem. Either way, for its limitations, the Glocks work fine. There's plastic sigs. Obviously Smith and Wesson's are still out there. A lot of them are still in service. At some point, they're going to wear out though. Guys, come on. Every firearm does. The problem with the Glock is there's nothing you can really do to fix it. With a 45 you know if your if your slide rails start to loosen up or get a little tired You break out the old lead mount there's a whole process the armor knows what to do And he can actually tighten that slide back up and you know bring it back up to service real quick And if the slide does finally wear out Typically you can replace the slide with another slide and congratulations you're back in business, but eventually those polymers I Think they're just plain then you can't beat them. You can't wrap on them. I don't know what you can really do to fix them So, that's just the only other consideration in long-term maintenance. You can fudge with a .45. We did for many 1911s for many years. When I was inspecting armories in the 80s, we still had a few, a very few, but we had some 1911s that were five and six digits. And these were World War I and pre-World War I models. And of course, the one pre-World War I model was technically the commander's gun. He made a point when he realized when he went through the armory with the inspection, he was looking at the numbers and realized, hey, that's only a five digit 45. Wait a minute. And so he shifted that one over and put that one like on a special list. Well, it served its country for a long time. And he probably meant something good to keep. So, there's a whole bunch of stuff. Now, how many of those are floating around? Well, of course, Bill Clinton probably destroyed most of those, killed them all. Or, hopefully, they went overseas to somebody. Of course, then they'd probably be using them on us. Maybe, if we're lucky, they'll get sold to surplus and brought back into the U.S. someday if they don't do the Clinton-Easter thing, which they are right now. So, man, there's so many convolutions to this. You're hoping that maybe out of hope, some weapon somehow would end up in some foreigners' hand. It ended up being used overseas for a little bit and then sold the surplus back to the country it came from. A couple things here real quick. On the 1911, there are a bunch of different companies that have had surplus mags in place, the standard government seven round. Most of them are out, however you will find little pockets here and there, or you might want to consider, and this is something about the 1911 we've discussed many, many times, is the idea of saving your tired or your aftermarket seven shot, three dollar and four dollar mags if you can find any. If they're out there they're probably about five dollars a piece now, the absolute cheapest. And use those for your range fire. Don't use your best mags for range fire. I'm sorry. Right now with the cost of things, mostly ammunition, you've got to save up and do all you can to stretch that weapon as far as possible as far as ammunition and spare parts. Well, especially mags. Well, use the mags that are in question because if you do have a malfunction, that is a good training to familiarize yourself with what everybody calls immediate action. You might actually have to consider the fact that if you do have a failure to feed or it does not feed properly, you are going to experience that possibly on the battlefield under certain intense conditions. It's kind of nice to be able to go through immediate action after you've practiced and practiced and practiced. To actually have it happen means that you alibi on the line and you act accordingly. Okay, pop the, drop the mag, try to extract the round, clear the weapon, obviously, and then reintroduce the mag, slide forward, pop, pop, pop, pop, you should continue to function. If you have a second malfunction, you can assume that there is something significantly wrong, either with the magazine or the weapon itself. The failure to feed may mean that there is something else in the way you better check on. That makes for more problems. One of the other reasons some people do believe in having two firearms, two handguns. Of course, commonality in mags is where again the cool thing about the if you are going with a Glock You can have lots of clocks and lots of mags. Since they are all the same glock, they are all the same mags. Same with the 45. Purely a matter of choice there. Considerations with regard to ammunition right now too. I understand. You might want to spot check ammo man dot com. I know guys. He is almost completed. Those guys have done a great job. We cannot complain about ammo man. Some people do a little titter about it. We mentioned ammo man dot com. Everybody out there kind of cleared the shelf of them. It's all of you out there that actually made the effort and were able to plug in to ammelman.com, make the order and pull everything you had off the shelf. Every once in a while they get a few things and I understand they may have some surplus .45. Not much and it's only a smattering but they may have some .45. I know they have some half inch .50 caliber rounds right now .50 caliber ball and AP from Argentina. Bourdain Prime, brass case, Yita Nield but still $2 to $3.50 to $4 a round. If there's any of that left today then you're looking for .50 caliber ammo to shoot. That's the ammo you shoot. You save your best quality stuff for combat operations and prioritize the other for training. So that's another thing to take into consideration is how do I engineer my range time? This is also true with your .45s. Another thing I would recommend, guys, hey, the stuff that you're reloading, if you're going to reload, prioritize on the range not for using your factory ammo, but using your reloads. This is what we did for years. We saved our factory ammo for our when it counts type of missions where you have to carry weapons and equipment into the field. And we match with our reloads what it is we're going to normally be carrying. See how that works? Now you recover all that brass, reload it again, and congratulations, you're back on the range for a lot less money. It doesn't cost you a dollar every time you pull the trigger. Ouch. Every time you pull the trigger. Ouch. And it hurts after a while. Ooh, the water starts to shrivel. don't flinch anymore but your wallet does? I've been bringing up for a long time, well I confirm today the guys are doing a great job by the way, John and Doug with J&D components. Don, I'd give them a call. We're going to have them up here. They can be up next Wednesday and there's a reason. He explained to me why. But he will be up as quickly as he can be, maybe even just during the weekend at any time. Peek into that, Mark. I'll be right back. We've got to get a certain person up on the air. Yes, we do. And that would be Dave if he can get hold of him. Okay, and so again, interestingly enough J&D components guys, John and Doug are the guys who put the company together. They have SABOs on hand and they also have the centering tools. A lot of you guys know we're having a big problem finding .4-caliber bullets in any type. Well, the discarding sable eliminates that problem, guys. This means that you can use solid dart, in other words milled or fabricated bullets, or if you can find a good price on 223 bullets, then guess what? You go to the 223 bullet in the discarding sable cup, and you can also press your performance up to about 4,600 feet per second out of a 30-ounce 6. a 308, a 300 Savage, a 300 Wind Mag, which I think could press 5,000 because I know we've gotten just about that far chronographed with a basic load. And again, for our friends listening, we've got a lot of tool shops right now that have been coming up with questions about what can we make. How about standard AP or solid steel, solid bronze, or solid copper projectiles? in a mimic of either a Spitzer 50 or 55 grain bullet or a mimic of a standard 223 55 grain Sierra Boattail. Now, you produce that in solid steel. It isn't going to heat up enough in flight and the flight's going to be very short. But you've got good weight, great stability, and you've got penetration. Now with the discarding sable round, that penetration combined with additional velocity You're talking laser gun. There's no time to travel in flight. There's no lead time. You're looking at excellent performance with the bullet with regard to both trajectory and with regard to penetration. So all the solutions people have been asking for are right here with the discarding SABO design. And the cool thing that John and Doug have also done is that they have all of the computer database on their site. They've got all the programs available so you can punch in a cartridge, its dimensions, the bullet weight, and whatever your proposed load is, and you will get the ballistics. It will give you everything you need, what you need to load for that round. It will give you your specs for powder, etc. So, anyway, here's the numbers to call. First of all, I'll give you the contact address. It's J&D Components, 75 East 350 North Orem, Utah. 84057. That's J and D components. 75 East 350 North Orem, Utah. 84057. Their regular ground line number is 801-225-7007. That's 801-225-7007. That's 801-225-7007. And the cell phone number for John is 801-372-3807. That's 801-372-3807. That's 801-372-3807. If you're going to call, tell them you heard about him on the Intel report. That helps us a lot. And here's the web page. It's www.jdcomponents.com. www.jdcomponents.com. That's www.jdcomponents.com. You'd be speaking to either John, Doug, or possibly Joyce. So whatever possible, you want to give them a screen. Now they're out running around doing all kinds of things. These people are very busy. The other thing that's happening, and we're going to have them up, John, up as soon as we can with an update. is they are producing a 50 caliber Sable cup. They are in development now and final phase test firing as we speak. That's happening. That's already done guys. I talked to him and confirmed it today. That means we're going to have a half inch Sable cup available in good production, if we're great price by the way too, but good production numbers and immediately available. This means you go with a 30 caliber tungsten or steel or bronze or copper dart. bullet made to the design specs of a standard Sierra Boat Tail military round and you're talking something that can press 5,000 to 6,000 feet per second. There's no flight and travel time and there is unlimited penetration. The testing we did with tungsten carbide years ago, we were pushing about with a half inch 50 caliber dropping block action. There are only about 600 of these made by the gentleman who's building them here in Michigan. And we chronograph it at, I think it was 5,860 feet per second. And we penetrated like butter. In fact, I've got a piece of steel here that's from this test. It looks just like a still of a piece of, like a pebble hitting a pond. Literally, it was like a ray gun. It cut straight through with a 30 caliber hole penetrating 1 and 1 quarter inch of homogeneous armor plate. and had obviously energy to burn. We were doing this at 100 yards and 300 yards with a 12 by 12 inch piece of armor that was cut from an APC wreck that was in a scrap yard in Jackson, Michigan. We had lots of test armor to work with. We could measure front glacis plates. Also, sadly enough, the other test plate that we used was homogeneous armor plate that was a front glacis from a steward hull that had already been cut up to the point where it was not recoverable. In the same case, we looked at, with three inches of homogeneous armor plate tapered at 15 degrees, we looked at almost full penetration with a tungsten carbide penetrator using the same dropping block rifle at approximately 330 yards. So, it was dimpling through 3 inches of solid steel that was actually beveled. And coming out the other side, you just have the penetrator. A little more energy behind it, and we'd have had no problem punching through that metal also. So again, the performance, aluminum doesn't work the same as steel, guys. And there's no body armor you're wearing, I don't care what threat level, unless it was threat level 55 and then you look like a big Pillsbury Doughboy, but they roll around on the battlefield with little tracks, then you call you a tank and you're too expensive. Okay, so they ain't giving you any armor to do it. The Pillsbury Doe Armor Boy ain't going to make it guys. So anyway, these are solutions. One more time for the number, but if you want to give them a call, not right now, but wait tomorrow during the day, 801-225-7007 and 801-372-3807. And that's for Sables. And we need them. We need those 50 caliber Sables for a reason, because we got somebody I think on the phone, don't we? We have our guest with us. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Well, it's good to hear from you. It's fine to have Dave up because Dave, I know you've been busy, haven't you, sir? Oh, we've been very, very busy. In fact, I was hoping you could hear the... You know, you could get close to one of the machines so they could hear the grinding sound. Well, we actually have really, really loud programs running today that I actually have to wear ear protection for, so that wouldn't come over the radio too well. Meanwhile, while the machines are running, you have the song Money in the Background playing by Pink Floyd. If we could only hear it. It's definitely been a good year for us. This burst of business started in October. It's a little more economic related than it is politically related. We're going to start seeing that a little bit later this year once the Democrats get wound up a little bit and try to take our guns. Other than that, this has been a very good year for us once again. Our customers do good every year at the competition. April is basically the start of the 50 caliber competition season. We've had wins at Quantico, we've had wins at Raton, we had a win out in California. A gentleman actually shot a 4 in 160. group of the thousands. Once again, we are already kicking butt out there. With long range accuracy is the name of the game. It doesn't matter how much energy you're sending down range. If you don't connect with your target, they just hear a nice whiz go by and they can figure out where you're coming from. That's where our focus is, is making sure that big slug hits your target way down range. Accuracy over volume fire is what we argue constantly. Now, here's a question on that note. What was the combination that was giving you these winning scores, please? Well, a lot of my customers will use the AMAX projectile because it's cost effective for a matched projectile, and it's very forgiving. About 215 grains of H50BMG powder, I think, at 5.4. You produce 6 inch groups at 1,000. And then tinker with your load from there, dial into the sweet spot, and and you're going to be down in the fours. We've actually had customers down into the threes. With the weapon that was shooting in the performance range we were talking about, what was the barrel length? Thirty-six inch. For that particular group, it was shot with a 510 DTC, which is a wildcatted 50 BMG. It's a minor wildcat that a gentleman in France had developed on their laws, military base. So he created that in 99 and certainly when California decided to take some rights away, the industry said no, we're just going to step around that and it was a big waste of time for them and a big victory for the free. But still, it was interesting to see that that caliber is producing as good a group, if not better, than the 50 BMG. Now a lot of my customers do play with the solids. There is a plethora of solid bronze or brat turn projectiles. They can be finicky. You're definitely going to turn in your best groups with a solid because the bullet is balanced. But getting the load right and a bullet that the barrel likes, it's a little bit of a fussing. But when you get into that level of performance, you've got to be active in your system. You've got to shoot. You've got to know your weapon. I usually tell my new 50 caliber shooters, start with the AMAX, 215 grains, and I'm going to definitely put you in the ballpark. develop your skills and then start tweaking on the load and inching that group down. That's what it's all about. Excellent. Now, one of the other things, and Don, of course, as you know, he's been shooting for quite some time too. Of course, we haven't had a chance to get him out. We're going to have to drag him out there for the matches again too. We're going to have to Shanghai him. We'll have to hog tie him, blindfold him and drag him there screaming. Oh, wait a minute. He wouldn't scream once he got there. He'd be grinning. I know you've been busy, but for instance right now you were talking about an intro for somebody going into 50 cal. We're going to half inch. Give everybody an overview of how your system is set up because we've got a lot of new listeners here. If you can, give them the overview and then what will be the best intro package to get them up and online with a 50 like this? Go ahead, please. Okay, our product is a modular system and what we started with, a product we started with, was an upper conversion for the AR-15. So basically you take your AR-15 lower, take your 223 upper off, put ours on, and now you've got bolt action, 50 caliber, it's a single shot. The system is modular, so you can change barrels, hand guards, brakes. We've designed a system so that you can work on it or you can send it back to us. From there, in 2003 we developed our lower assembly all made out of steel and has all the bells and whistles that people wanted on their AR lower. Now this lower assembly will fit under any of our uppers. So that way a lot of our customers, they're on a budget, most of the time it's wife imposed. So, they can hit the wife up for a little bit of money to buy the upper and then come back and buy the lower. Some of our customers don't want to commit to 50 completely right away. The upper is a good place to start and we do barrel links from 18 inches all the way out to 36 inches. Now, for a gentleman wanting to start, they've not shot 50 before, they'd like to shoot some military surplus, kind of get their feet wet in the 50 caliber, then maybe do some reloading. With that I would say start with the Chrome Valley Burialed Uppers. We retail those at $2,145. We'll definitely give your listeners a discount. Just let me know that you listen to the intelligence report and I'll make sure I give you a discount. But you start with that and you can shoot military surplus. You can load up some AMACs at $215,000 and shoot a 6 inch group of the thousand and it gets you started. Once you've developed the Tays for 50 caliber, you can come back for the lower, you can come back and say, hey, I want a match barrel. How much is that going to cost me? Well, you buy the barrel, strap wrenches, and some headspace gauges, and you can change your barrel yourself. Or we can change it. Most of the time, when you've got a 50, you want to change a barrel, it's going to cost you six months and about two grand. For us, our match barrels retail for about $750, and like I said, they're drop-in, they come right from Lotho, Walther, ready to screw right into your receiver. They headspace like a savage, so you're not going to have issues there. From there, if you piece together the upper, then the stainless barrel or match barrel are lower. Now you've got the complete system and you're rocking and rolling. Excellent. And we're looking at, again, a rifle that actually, remember, these are not firearms, guys. This is simply an upper, right? Correct. So, you're looking at a, basically these are parts. A lot of people have a hard time understanding this. Now, that doesn't mean that you can't pick up. In fact, you have a whole trigger group system and you offer the entire system in different configurations. So, you can have this thing engineered. A person calls and says, they want a certain length of stock. They want a certain length of barrel. They want a certain configuration because they've already shot something maybe somebody else is using. Now, first of all, you usually collect the data. You want to get feedback from the shooter before you go any farther. But if they do want a certain customer and they've got it in their mind, you can build it, can't you? Yes, and often when a customer calls and I can tell if they're new, I'll have a conversation with them. I just don't take the order. I want to make sure the customer knows what they're buying and they're comfortable with that before they put their money down. That's how I keep a good relationship with my customers. But I'll ask them questions of their shooting style. Are they a prone shooter? Are they a bench shooter? And I'll ask them about their physical attributes. Are they tall, short? Are they big, little? Where do they keep their cheek weld? Are they low on the chin or high on the cheek? From that, I can interpolate, is a standard length stock going to be good for them or do they need something longer or shorter? The longest stock we built for a customer was, I believe, 17.5 inches, length of pull. Your standard length of pull on an A2AR lower is 13.5 inches. This gentleman was 6'7". Charge a nominal fee, I think, of $75 to do a custom stock. Barrel lengths, we don't charge anything to do a custom barrel length. The shortest we will go is 17 inches. We'll go all the way out to 36 inch. You tell me what you want. We cut the barrel at that length, re-crown it, and like I said, that's no additional charge. But we do talk to our customers because we want to know what they want to do with the gun. And it's not that I'm nosy. It's what's their application, what do they expect from the weapon. We want to make sure I get them a weapon that is going to suit them, but not break their bank. We are all working men and we earn our money and I'm not out to take anything from somebody I haven't earned. So it's a relationship. Most of my customers come back. They talk to me. If they need some assistance, I'll talk on the phone all day with them because if my customer is happy, that's the best form of advertising. I don't do print ads simply because I think it's a waste of money. I keep my customers happy. They tell their friends and this is what keeps my company alive. I think most important here too is that if anybody has an idea or a notion, what they can also do is ask you if it applies to perhaps what they are interested in doing. Because I think that's the biggest problem we have is, Don, it's like when you're doing night vision. You have people and they call, they have a certain idea, but then they find out that idea isn't really where they needed to go, right? A good question of the people who call me Mark, the first thing they want, vision goggles? Then we talk for a while and we figure out what they need and generally it's not. Night vision goggles. So the same is true. Again, you're able to sit down with a customer and pretty well work out and engineer what they need. And I think what's fun here is that you get to see the end result too, because like you said, pride and performance here is critical, not only just putting the product out or putting the weapon out or putting the system out. It's not really a firearm, because again, you're looking at the top, the upper receiver group. If a guy has an AR-15 of whatever model, or let's say, so here's the optimal situation as far as I'm concerned. Let's look at this kind of like with a Grenadier. The guy can have a mid-grade or a mediocre, just a standard, all the way around AR-15, upper and lower. He can pop that upper off and then within a reasonable period of time be switched over to .50 caliber, can he? Correct. Now let me explain to your listeners, because some of them might not be up to speed, of how this upper assembly is just parts. On the AR-15, the serial number is stamped on the low receiver and that's dictated by the ATF. They say, we want the lower to be serialized. Basically, the tech department looks at the design of a firearm and says, this is where we want it. And they have the right to do that, so to speak. If it doesn't have the serial number, it's not under their jurisdiction. So, even if I had a situation where someone wanted to illegally export to one of our unfriendly neighbor countries, some 50 calibers. ATF wanted nothing to do with it because they were uppers. So, this is not just ATF doesn't care. They have no jurisdiction over just parts. The upper assembly has no serial numbers. It's not supposed to get serial numbers. And so, the ATF looks at it like a scope, like a recoil pad, a pistol grip. It's just parts to them. The part that has a serial number, then they're concerned. So yes, these AR uppers, you call, you order, it goes right to your house and end of story. No paperwork. Excellent. And again, for a lot of people out there, they already have the AR system, the AR families in their inventory. in one form or another. Now, ideally, I would say put this on a regular AR, although it wouldn't be, there's nothing that's going to be crucial except stock configuration with regard to say an M4 or a CAR-15. You could still drop this on a CAR-15 system because it's the upper basic trigger group you're interested in, correct? Correct. And what I tell my customers, I do have them to say, hey, I got a CAR-15, collapsible stock, can I put my AR on it? Yes. But be sure your collapsible stock works right. You don't want to be in a situation where the little hook is a little weak or not fully engaged and that stock collapses under recall. If you're in a situation where you just simply have the collapsible stock and you really don't use it, drill a hole, put a bolt through it. There we go. Now when we say put a bolt through it, not through the tube, but through the keeper. Exactly. Exactly. That's a little embarrassing. Oh my goodness, a quarter twenty bolt through air? You can figure out where the action doesn't work. I can tell you real quick. The A2 stock works just fine. A lot of your aftermarket stocks work just fine. And your collapsible stock works just fine. Just make sure it's not going to collapse on you. You do have other features though now. For instance, this is one of the things that I've seen with the basic inventory. You have, for instance, different stock attachments or fixtures. Plus you do have an independent system so you can slap an entire trigger assembly on your system. You offer variations on that, correct? We do offer variations. On our lower assembly, we make the trigger and hammer set up. That's pretty much the way it is. If the customer wanted to change it, fine, it will accept AR15 parts. We do make a hammer and trigger setup that will drop in an AR15. We also make a set that will drop into a McCormick trigger. It will drop in trigger sets. We make those as well. So, if you already have an AR, and again, my logic would be this, I got a whole bunch of AR-15s. I got an older rifle, it's a parts gun. It was put together back in the 90s, it's a nice weapon, but it's mediocre, it just fits there. And I want to be able to do something else with that 50. Well, there's the rifle you can commit it to, and if you need to dress it up a little more, let's say that you want to put a little better trigger system on board. You spend the money in upgrading that particular lower receiver and you're happy. You can take this system, put it on that action, and everything is going to be copacetic. Again, the advantage of using a solid comb stock is obvious. And then there are many stocks that even have a raised comb adjustable, the whole nine yards, and adjustment for the butt pad itself. So variable geometry options are out there. If someone wants to come in and say hi, they can stop in over at the shop. Certainly. We are here Monday through Friday, 10am to 7pm. Give me a call and say, hey I want to come by. You are more than welcome. I gave you the tour of the shop. You are welcome to stay as long as you like. If you want to schedule a shooting session, give me about a week lead time and we will take you out and go shooting. In that situation, don't you take all your regular employees out and put other employees in to be shot? Exactly. I do that before I have to start paying bonuses. That's how we keep our cots down. I know that's horrible. I also wanted to point out, you don't have to use a throwaway lower. One of the big questions that are asked, how can that aluminum receiver take all that recoil? It's a 50 caliber. It'll shear the pins. all of that hogwash. We've sold thousands of these. We've never had anybody with the complaint of a broken lower. And here's why. That lower is going to feel the same recoil your shoulder will. And your shoulder will break long before that lower will. Those lowers are really, really, really tough. Unless you have the Ironman holding it in his, of course, then the steel wall of his shoulder will stop the recoil in the up and good splitting in all directions, yeah? Exactly. I will say, you know, customers that are looking at something, take time to sit down and think of where you want to be now and where you'd like to be when you have this system fully filled out. The reason we designed our lower is because guys wanted a nice recoil pad, an adjustable cheek rest, a wonderful trigger, and a monopod. So instead of piecing all that onto an era lower, save your dimes and just filing our lowers all We provide these for a reason. But yeah, customers need to come talk to me. We're not going to cover everything in the scope of this program because we do do a lot of custom stuff. And some stuff is proprietary for our matched customers. But when a customer comes to me and says, hey, I have an application. Hey, I'm in a wheelchair. I'm eight feet tall. It doesn't matter. A weapon that will fit their application but will fit them in a way that they are going to shoot good. If the gun is not comfortable, You won't shoot good and it's a known fact with 50 caliber and the reason is you're 308 when you touch that trigger off and that primer ignites the gun will move about 15,000 before the bullets gone. That's a negligible amount with the 50 caliber You're looking at an eighth of an inch eighth to a quarter of an inch of gun movement before that gun goes off So any tension in the body uncomfortableness trying to prop yourself up your groups are going to be all over the place. If a gun fits you, you will perform with a 50 caliber. So that's one of the little secrets of 50 cal is consistency and the only way to get that is if your body is able to naturally relax behind the gun and feel comfortable. If you can't fall asleep behind your gun, it's not the right gun for you. You're right. If you're not relaxed and surprised when it goes off, do you optional incline John? The standard sight rail, the scope rail is a 1913 military standard. We offer them in a zero flat rail parallel to the bore, a 30, a 60, we've done 75, we've done 95 for customer applications. A new thing that's not on our website is a swappable scope rail. We've had plenty of customers say, hey, I'm going to be shooting 100 yards for the next year, but I'm moving, having a house built, and I'm going to have 1,000 yards. So I'd like to have a flat scope rail now, the 30 MLA, in two years. So what we've done to address that is the top unbolts and you can bolt another top on that has a different angle. Now that is an option, you have to specify it. I prefer the fixed rail because it's something you know is not going to come loose. We did our very best on the sloppable scope rail to make it as rigid and as reliable. The screws we're using are a 1.28. So they're a big screw. We're using four of them for a six inch rail to make sure that thing doesn't move, doesn't go wonky on you when you're touching off the trigger. There's nothing that will ruin your day worse than to see your groups going all over the place. And then while you're looking at your gun saying, what is going on? You grab that scope and you go, oh no. This was all that was wrong. It was loose. Well, Skip Talbot used to say, I invoke that name, you know, hierarchy in the 50 caliber community. Skip Talbot used to say, If you're going to a man, he would qualify for a rataan, the nationals. People come from around the world sometimes. This is like inside the continent. If you're going to a rataan for the match, you're going to spend about $1,000. You're going to spend for a motel, or you're going to spend for your tent, and all of the other things, and the bullets, and all of the other things. You're going to spend at least $1,000. If you're going to do that, you want to get your money's worth. No question about it. And I have experienced this, I have related this over the years. I've gone to the championships and shot to the, to the championships and shot to the. You know, the night forces that have been, have really proven themselves to be really, really durable scopes. They hold together and, you know, when they do break, it's pretty, pretty much noticeable. The only thing I've really seen on those earlier years ago was the bedding come loose on the front lens, on the objective lens. Five, six years, they've really been an outstanding scope and I've seen very, very few have a failure. That's all we sell here is Night Force. Oh, no doubt. And you know what? I had a question. I thought, is this thing giving me trouble or not? So I called Night Force up. I said, look, I'm really having a, I'm questioning this scope if it's holding zero. Before I could finish the sentence, the gentleman on the phone said, just send it in and we'll take a look at it. And that's what I like to hear. And there that way with not just me because I'm a manufacturer, I've had customers call me, hey, you sold me a scope. It's Night Force. I'm not sure about it. Hey, call night force and let me know what they tell you. I get a call 15 minutes later. They said just send the scope in and I'll take a look at it. So they're that way with everyone and this is why I'll continue to sell their scopes because they treat their customers like I do. No questions asked. You're having a problem. We want to see it because we want to make it right so that you enjoy our product and tell your friends how great our product is. Right. We want it to be here even if it's development in the field. You guys are a sample in the Evo. well from the man who will attend the meeting about how you that you know times they have little gold at last year i was there he uh... won the championship and i think it would a lot of trouble there was a proud day for him to get them all with a broom yes you could have been treated well you know skip i never knew the man that well i'm not telling a few times talked to him several times but he was an experimenter uh... when he went out shot a match he was more worried that you in the next guy in the new guy had what they needed uh... for you to take everybody first but what he went to shoot the experiment every time you put on trigger he was trying something sometimes they were produced phenomenally small group one of which is still a record at two point six inches and sometimes they'd be all off the paper but one so that last year he shot i think skip really said you know what i'm gonna take this championship and he did first time that he become champion, world champion. And I watched him with tears streaming down his face, his wife was there with him. And it was a really, really, it was only one of the greatest days for him. Because he is the guy that kind of, you know, him and Buddy Clifton and a few of those other guys, the ones that kind of got us all started. And they said, what can we do with this gun? And it was just something that got a life of its own once they started. But if it wasn't for those men, I don't know that we would be shooting .50 caliber these days. There'd still be a machine gun round. And also, the most important thing there too is that this has happened every time they developed the technology that was embraced. I mean, they demonstrated by performance privately what is now embraced in the military field as the norm. That's another thing to think about. And I've argued this for years. The only reason we had, we went from flintlock to cap and balls because of private development, not public. Every step of the way, when we went to rifled weapons, it's because of private interest. It was not military application. The military embraced it once rifled weapons came over into the military sphere from the independent forces such as the militias because the private individual was the one who was willing to do the research or get into the experimental process. Yes, and it's interesting in this country that when the military needs a tool do a particular job that's not in their arsenal who do they go to they go to the civilian market well even more so you guys and this is a plus because they are trying to approach fifty caliber c military everything is everything is you've got to know when you know how to pull the trigger everything is laid out for you you want to reach by twenty seven so they're trying to shoot a fifty caliber like they would a three oh eight and so they know we need some help so who they go to Who's got the smallest group? Skip Talbot, let's go talk to him, let's go talk to Scott and I. Are those guys still trained with them? Because there's no one in the military that can do it, or very few guys. Those guys are actually out keeping the free free. Before we go any farther, because everybody's asking, go ahead and give out all your contact info. Give your phone number, give your email, if you want to email, but give out everything you can, and your mailing address too, please. Okay, the business name is Spider Firearms. S-I-D-E-R. We're located at 2005 Murcock. M-U-R. St. Cloud S-T-O-U-D. 34771. The phone number here is 407-957-3617. The website is www.ferrett50.com. And I'll spell that. S-E-S-E-R. That's Frank Echo Robert Robert Echo Tango Five Zero dot com. Well I want to do something for you guys because it's been mentioned. If you've been shooting .223 or .17, .223, .30 caliber, even up to like WinMac, you move into the half inch world You gain the joy of like you're starting to shoot all over again. And that's not an exaggeration, you guys. It's a whole worldly experience, a different world. And there's another thing. 50 calibers, no different as far as the physics. A 308, a 223, a 17 caliber. But the effects of the physics are magnified. The human is the same size. Gravity is the same. Everything is the same except for the caliber. So, the little things that you do to make your .50 caliber more accurate will duplicate on your .308. But when you're shooting your .308, quarter inch groups at 100, it's hard to see the evidence of improvements. When you start tinkering with the .50 caliber, it will show you where your shortcomings and your loading process are. Oh, yes. It will show you how you're not breathing correctly. And when you work those things out and go back to your .308, your quarter minute gun now is an eight minute gun. The .50 caliber will make you a better shooter if you step up to the challenge. Just having a gun in the closet or banging a few rounds, it's not going to do it. You have to get out there and you have to shoot. One thing Skip always said, there is no substitute for trigger time. You want to be a good shooter? Get away from the loading bench every once in a while and get out and burn some of that powder. of some of these shoot-offs. That's the perfect thing. That's one of the world's best shooters talking right there. Exactly. So that's the thing, you know, you've got to practice how you're going to fight and fight how you practice. That's the way it is. And yes, you have to do your work at Loaded Bench. Yes, the gun has to be right, but it's too easy, especially in our society. Put money to it and it'll make it right. As long as the driver's got to be on. The driver has to be on. And that's no matter what sport it is. If it's man and equipment, equipment can be a million dollars, but if you're not practiced, you're wasting your time. So the emphasis there is, guys, you've got to shoot. And if you expect to use your weapons, keep your family alive, and to keep us free men, there's no better reason than to practice. Again, Dave, thank you for coming up. Please give us your phone number one more time for everybody. 407-957-3617. Can we have you up sooner? Sure. Okay, I feel we'll arrange that maybe even just next week again. We need to have you up here We got a lot of new people listening a lot of people looking at 50 caliber and you're you're one of the people we've been trying to get up on here on a regular basis So that you know where to go. Thank you gentlemen. I'm always available for you and once again Thank you very much for having me on the show And we are the top of the hour God bless the Republic World Order we shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the empires on the run. We are on Both day and Friday. the army navy store from your memory as a child is just that, a memory. 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