December 4, 2008
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Mark Koernke and Michael Messer discussed ammunition and firearms availability during the December 2008 shortage, reporting on J&G Sales inventory and prices across multiple calibers. They covered medical training on protective mask maintenance and chest trauma treatment, including sucking chest wounds, pneumothorax, hemothorax, and cardiac tamponade. Michael also detailed a conversation with Representative Raul Grijalva regarding a Bipartisan Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction report and discussed concerns about government preparedness versus civilian protection.
- ammunition shortage
- j&g sales
- protective mask maintenance
- chest trauma
- pneumothorax
- hemothorax
- cardiac tamponade
- preparedness
- firearms inventory
- medical training
- aortic rupture
- weapons of mass destruction commission
- aipac
- gun shows
- tokarev pistols
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With shipping throughout the world, check out mainmilitary.com or call 877-608-0179. That's 877-608-0179. Call today. We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold you trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame You've taken Satan's number You've traded in your name You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the free? And good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, this is the second hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Kornke, one day closer to victory. And I'm Michael Messer. Oh, sorry about that. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, south, North and Northeast. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, PBN.4mg.com, and we're on live 365. Then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM and FM Microstations, CB Base Stations, and UltraNet Technologies, both east and west of the Mississippi, along with Southern and Central Alaska. And we're on the Hallmark Network with six states on the east coast. Congratulations guys and gals there. Please keep doing the things that need to be done and continuing with the great work. Mike, today's date is? For December 2008, Thursday. And we want to say thank you real quick here to Safety Harbor firearms for their donation of the Colonial Marines upper receiver AR 50 calibers to the 23rd and 24th regimental combat team Colonial Marines. We appreciate the donation. Many special parts pieces and assemblies. We're happy with seconds guys, but these aren't and so we appreciate the donation from Safety Harbor. Thank you for the assist of the militia. and keep up the good work there also uh... i want to say thank you to bear it for a similar donation understand people are doing certain work and uh... magazine showed up for a particular unit uh... we'll go any farther there but wanna say thank you for the donation of the magazines we appreciate that from bear also so much stuff happening mike and i hear your neck of the woods things have been busy what's been going on well i got kindness That's part of my day trying to track down some information. Oh boy, where do I start? I guess the first thing is, I was watching the BBC this morning and there were two British gentlemen that had been arrested by the British for investigation into a crime and the British had collected the DNA and had put it into their database and they had appealed to the European court and the European court said that it was illegal for the British to maintain databases on DNA and cited something about the universal declaration of human rights because it had violated their privacy. I'm not a big fan of all this declaration of human rights and everything. Maybe we need to look at the silver lining in the cloud. At least there are some that are realizing that these DNA databases are illegal and unconstitutional and stuff. The next thing is that they reported on was something that we've covered here about the cholera outbreak in Rhodesia. That there's now the death toll was 565. Yesterday it was only 480, so it's gone up by almost 100. is now contaminated with color. their news of it. They had some kind of undercover operation where the camera was pointed downward and it was panning back and forth and everything. They apologized for the quality of the video because the government doesn't want them in there filming these things. The reporter was taking his life into his own hand and I'm thinking, wait a minute, I've been watching the BBC report on this and their camera is not jerking around every all the time every day that they're reported on this so i don't know what the deceptive nature was but at least i have to hand it to him finally they're talking about it this stuff been going on since august but uh... i don't know even even uh... broken clock is right twice a day Let's see, the next thing is I had an interesting conversation with my representative Raul Gerhalva, and I know we've discussed that back and forth, the deal. So I was kind of looking for some of this information on this so-called terrorism report that we seem to hear quite a bit about, that the news media wants to talk about it, but nobody wants to tell us what's actually in the report. So I called the Tucson office. and asked them about the availability of the entire report and if there were any classified parts of it. The person that I spoke with down there said that he had read parts of it but he wasn't sure where I could access it and he wasn't sure if there was any of it classified. He said, but don't quote me on it, but most likely some parts of it is. But they gave me the DC office, so I called the DC office and kind of started to ask them questions about that. And I spoke with Daniel in Washington, D.C. And he told me that the name of it was the Bipartisan Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction. He gave me the website. It was preventweaponsofmassdestruction.org. It's 160 pages long. Then I started asking specific questions about making a relation to the Cold War and fallout shelters and having those stocked with food and water and blankets and stretchers and first aid supplies. I noticed that nowadays if you're lucky enough to even find one, if you go down there, they'll be absolutely empty. Then I said, how many millions, if not billions of dollars have you spent on protecting yourself so you'll have air filtration? systems and water systems and EMP proof aircraft and bunkers and everything so you can protect yourselves but you have no money on protecting the civilians who are the real government of this country. And it was absolute. I said, I've also heard that the government has spent a lot of money on destroying perf brand new gas masks. Wouldn't you think that that might be worthwhile to help distribute those? Then we talked about some other issues and then I started talking about the real deal about the real terrorists. There's the country over in the Middle East, its name starts with an I, and it's not Iran and it's not Iraq. I started pointing out about the LaVonna Fair and the USS Liberty. These are just odd things. These were actual terrorist attacks that were carried out against the United States. All of a sudden he became very defensive and closed-lipped. Then I mentioned, are you afraid to talk about anything? Maybe because of AIPAC? I said, you're familiar with that? He said, oh yes. I said, yes, the most powerful lobby in the world. You are too afraid to hold these people accountable, but you want to go around the world and try to hold everybody else accountable. And Bob and I ran and everybody else. I said, well, what about their terror attacks and what about their nuclear and biological and chemical? And their letter bombs that they sent to Egypt in the 1950s and the 1970s and the Olympics with Munich when they sent their terrorists. around the world and everything and he's like and then all of a sudden he got real defensive and it was like well you know this is just a constituent line and we're just here to you know to listen to your concerns and I'm like well this is my concern well I don't have time to you know debate these things and I mentioned some other things about the Middle East and he gives me the old well I'm fully familiar with the issues in the Middle East and I says well you mean the part about where the land was promised to the Arabs long before that. And he's like, oh, I don't know what you're talking about. And I said, well, wait a minute. You just told me that you were fully familiar with the area. Well, I'm not going to play gotcha politics here. And it's like, I'm not playing gotcha politics. I'm just stating the facts. You just stated that you knew exactly what was going on. And now I've proven that you absolutely don't know what's going on. And then he got very defensive and it's like, well, you know, I got to go and everything, you know. And I told him that if you're thinking about bombing or nuking any country, that Tel Aviv is the first place where they need to land. I'm going to switch gears. I hope everybody has their pencil and paper ready. Before I go on, I know I don't have access to a computer here. One of the things I was pondering after they gave me this website about this bipartisan commission on the prevention of weapons of mass destruction, the website is www.PreventWeaponsOfMassDestruction.org. The government usually publishes their things on pomace.loc.gov. So I'm wondering, who is behind this, preventwmd.org? Maybe some of the people that are a little bit more computer savvy than I am, maybe they can find out who the webmaster is or who this is sponsored by, and maybe who the owners are. It wouldn't be a surprise to me if it was You know somebody like the ADL or the JDL or anything. So if anybody understands some of these things, maybe they can do a pitch in, do a little bit of research and tell us who's the ones that are running this, preventweaponsofmassdestruction.org. Okay, then my third, fourth call went to J and G today. They have 7.62 by 39. I'm pretty sure they said it was a thousand of wolf ammo. It was $279.90 per thousand. 7.62 NATO. They had 150 grain and it was $17 a box for 20 rounds. The next one was 5.56 NATO. They had it for wolf. It was 55 grains and it was $429 for $1000. For 303 British it was the S&B brand and they had both $150 and $180 full metal jacket and it was $675 for $1000 rounds. They have absolutely no AK47s or AK74s. 45 ACP, they had a Gila ammunition, it's 230 grain full metal jacket for $319.90 per 1000. And for 9 millimeter ammunition, it's 115 grain wolf ammo in 900 rounds and a pin for $164.70. There is a gun show this weekend at the Veterans Memorial Museum. It's the fifth and 7th, it will be starting tomorrow. And the Veterans Memorial Coliseum is roughly at McDowell and 15th Avenue. And asking some other questions about him being on the inside and about the election and everything. And he said again that this cause of this was going up was because of the uncertainty of the election and people were just stocking up and that. And I said, well, you know, I've also heard that some of this stuff on the increase of the price on the lead, copper and brass. He said, the more of the price increases, he was really not sure, but it was mostly for the election. I said, I've heard this stuff about the lead, copper and brass. But I noticed that 22 ammunition has not really gone up as much as some of this other stuff. And you know it has lead and brass in it and he says, oh no, it's just a demand and it's cheap to produce and cheap to shoot. And it's the people that are selling them the ammunition and they see this demand and they have the suppliers to the people like J&G or the ones that have increased the price on these issues. And that's all I have to say for my GCN report and my rant and rave today about my trials and tribulations on this beautiful fourth day of December. Mark? Well again, J&G sales is in Arizona. Give the contact points for J&G so everybody knows if you have them on hand there. Okay, telephone number 928-445-9650. 928-445-960-928-445-9650-JG Sales It's just JGSales.com and that's sales with an S. because there is so much going on with the industry as far as with people buying everything up that you don't know from one day to the next somebody gets a wild hair and they jump in there and decide yep I want all you gotta fill in the blank. Well, that's going to be all she wrote, but you don't want to have your money tied up in a plow on location when you could possibly access the same or something similar in some off, you know, the corner of the country where you just happen to find that while they still have a little bit left. So again, if they've got it, buy it as far as back orders go. I don't think I'd be looking at that right now. I'd be shopping around hard and I would be making a significant effort to track down what you need. Don't hesitate, don't wait when you find it. And ammunition first, and I would say as critical as anything, ammo, because that's the thing that everybody's now munching on. They're disappearing as quick as people find little pockets that are there. Only last so many days on the shelf unless they were, unless we're really lucky and they were way ahead of the curve, which most of these companies that have any inventory left. either knew somebody inside Mike or they already had made the order for this stuff and it's all they have left because it was the last of the big orders that they made. You'll notice that the inventory for most the companies like AIM, Classic, go right on down the list. SOG, they don't have anything left guys. They can count all their primary firearms available on one hand if not two and that's it. and that includes some automatic rifles that includes military surplus rifles there are a few other things here and there I have not checked and this is the one thing I do want to do is I haven't checked to see what aim point is doing or I'm sorry what high point carbines are doing and the reason I say that is because I know that they have been popular they are one of the few weapons that keeps cropping up and all these videos is being sold sold sold over and over again and I'd be willing to bet that they're pretty much backlogged again two, three, four months out. Many companies are backlogged all the way to 12 months. Oh, that means one year. Gee, Mike, do you think they're going to get those weapons? I highly doubt it. I wouldn't be holding my breath. It can call me Blue Boy. That's right. In fact, yes, it is. They find you face down. Face down is still trying to wheeze, but at least once you pass out, usually the lungs start again. But don't hold your breath and try to wait and see what's going to happen on this. We know what's going to happen on this. And again, a lot of people have already realized that we're in the know in many different directions, and they've been constantly upgrading. they've been adding as they've been going. We tried to get you to do that, a lot of people did listen. Think about it this way, a lot of you have saved a lot of resource that way. That was our agenda, that was our goal to try and provide you with enough warning so that you got twice as much for the same amount of money and most of you did. I mean some couldn't help it because everybody's limited in different ways but wherever anybody could, think about it this way, if you bought the ammunition we told you to a year ago, It ain't the price it was a year ago, is it Mike? No, I remember buying 500 rounds of SS109 from J&G not that long ago for $99.99. Now you can't even find SS109 and now you're going to pay $250. For the for the same ammo no difference still on the shelf probably from a different warehouse, but the same ammo for a hell of a lot more So again, hopefully we've helped you there. We're trying to find solutions the by the way aim and classic arms aim surplus comm and classic arms incorporated, which is classic arms US They both have Tokarev pistols right now. Now they're out of mags. I called and asked. They already sold out of the mags and hopefully our effort to point everybody at those is what made the difference. But the Tokarev pistols they have come with two magazines, which is not bad. You're still going to have to shop around. Let's see what's at the gun shows. Pay attention and know what your magazines look like. When you go to the gun shows, guys, Don't just go to the big guys that have the really pretty, you know, pretty, you know, rifle stacked like Gord would. Check out the little guys. A lot of guys, like, there was a Monroe gun show. There's a guy down there that was his first gun show. He had two tables. Everybody ignored him. All of his weapons were Liberty Arms. It was his father's collection, and it's the stuff that he didn't want to keep. He had grands he and I don't know if he'll have by the time the next Monroe show comes around But if he does he had a couple grands he had a k-98 Mauser He had a whole bunch of other good stuff and then and a bunch of other accoutrements and his prices were not outrageous But for whatever reason everybody I guess just seemed to assume that he was a you know an FFL dealer He's not he's just a regular guy showing up at the shows Well one of the things he had there was a box with magazines in it So if you're looking for a certain odd mag, usually somebody 10, 20 years ago might have put that stuff away because everybody's got a grab box. We all do this. It's like, well, yeah, I'll take that whole lot of stuff and I'll take that stuff too. Okay, and I'll pay you $10. Well, the odd stuff you put in a box and you sell it later. Well, sometimes you forget where it is or you just fill it up and you know you think those are pretty cool things I think I'll just hang on to them anyway well then they show up at the gun show later at some point because either you throw them out there or If you pass it on to the next akin chances are they're going I don't have any of this stuff I think I'll take that to the gun show So look in the grab boxes you'd be surprised at what shows up you might have an old orchies you might have an old browning could have an old any number of thousands of little semi-automatic pistols out there it's not the mags aren't available you just got to go match them up with what's in the grab box. So I want to stress that for a reason because you need spare mags now what we need to do is shift the inventory so that if you've got a pistol if you can get three four or five mags squared away and put together for it you need to have them now. When it comes to ammunition All I can say is catch as catch can you can do a search on the web look to see what companies are out there? The next day or that day if that's what you're doing for the day is call the companies and find out what they have available Mike's been doing a great job with J&G and it's and by the way it saves me having to call down there because Many hands make for light work know what I mean so in the chat room guys We could probably be doing the same thing when you start assigning everybody certain tasks, and maybe we'll do a quick sit rep both in the chat room, etc. to get the job done because it is a needful thing. We need to expedite the process. Now on that note, another thing real quick, and Mike, this is critical, one of our allies, one of our friends, is working on a solution for infants, for children, as far as chemical protection. It's not a matter of whether or not it's going to get done, it's just, I mean, if it's going to get done, it's just when. And all I got to do is shoot him a few more tools that he needs, parts that he needs, which I'm going to, I don't know if they left today, if not, they're going to leave tomorrow morning. But once everything is plugged in, all of you that are concerned in that area will have a solution. and it's going to be off the shelf, but everything that's needed is off the shelf accessible without any complication whatsoever. So just pay attention, stay frosty on that, and we'll do what we can. Now Mike, what are you going to cover for us on medical tonight? Well, we were covering the resuscitation from shock and trauma, and we had kind of left off about a week ago. We were right in the middle of a sucking chest wound. So we can cover that and also I know the music came in last night and we were recapping the information about the maintenance and the cleaning of your protective mask. Which direction you want to run with right now? Well I'll tell you what we'll do because we'll run up to the break and when we come back I want you to first of all do a quick review on maintenance on the gas mask again. The reason a lot of people in the chat room have many of the masks, most everybody did what we asked them to do. They bought either 10, a dozen, you know, they made a, you know, you get it was a deal, cheaper by the dozen, it's true, they were. So I want to thank everybody for having confidence in our, you know, our trying to motivate you that way, I appreciate that because it's not going to help Mark, although it's good because our friends are protected, it's going to help you and your family and your allies. So everybody needs to know how to do the maintenance on the masks. They need to know how to do upkeep in general. You want to keep them where they're accessible. You want to make sure you know how to use them. So designate a couple of masks as training masks. 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Mention Liberty Tree Radio for your listeners discount or just call us at 734-340-7285-734-340-7285. Okay ladies and gentlemen we're back to the second hour of the intelligence report with Mike Mark Ford December 2008 it's a Thursday. Okay yesterday we had covered the maintenance and the cleaning of your protective mask and we were right in the middle of it recapping it all so I'm going to start back at number one we're going to inspect the mask and the hood. We're going to clean the inside and the out with warm soapy water. We're going to remove all the dirt without immersing the mask in the water or allowing any water to enter into the inlet valve covers. Next step is we're going to remove the voice mitter and the outlet valve cover and the discs and the inlet valve assemblies and the eye lens outserts. We're going to leave the filters in. We're going to make sure that the filter flaps are buttoned. We're going to dip a clean, soft cloth into warm, soapy water, and we're going to wring it out well. And we're going to wipe the mask and the hood inside and out. We're going to wipe the voice mitter and the outlet valve cover and the inlet valve assemblies, being extra careful when cleaning the discs and the valve assemblies. Next is we're going to take another cloth and we're going to dip that into clean, warm water and we're going to wring it out thoroughly and we're going to wipe down all the washed parts. We're going to dry it off with a clean, soft cloth. We're going to also use a dry, soft brush to get into any of the corners and any of the hard to reach places. We're going to make sure that the discs in the inlet and the outlet assemblies and also around the nose cup are snug and they're flat and they're not starting to discolor. Then we're going to replace the voice mitter outlet valve cover and the i-lens out-search and the inlet valve assemblies. And then we're going to press the inlet valve covers hard so they're going to snap into place. And we're going to make sure that the louvers are slanting downward. On the M17, they'll be labeled top to designate the top of it. And that'll show you which way the valves are. And also, just as a side note, is what we covered yesterday about the differences in the M10s that they screw in. But I've seen three different versions button inside where you can rotate the valve. And another version of it is to where it's a spring loaded. You can undo the spring. You can rotate the louvers so they're downward and then re-engage the spring back into there. But you have to make sure that the louvers are pointed downward because otherwise if they're pointed upward, if you're out in the rain, then it's going to focus the rain into your filters. And it's a charcoal activated filter, so it's just going to clog up your filter and cause it to clump and then it's not going to work properly. Do not ever turn the mask inside out. You can loosen up the harness and flip it over to the front to give you access to the nose cup and to change your filters and things like that. But you never want to turn the mask inside out because the eye lenses are going to contact each other and they're going to put some serious scratches on the lens itself. The last thing is the preservative, sometimes it's referred to as blue. See there a white or a rust colored bleed off and all you're going to do is brush or wipe off any of the excess if it accumulates. Okay, very good. That ends that block of instruction on the maintenance and the cleaning of your protective mask. We can kind of cover over maybe somewhere down the road about the changing of the filters and everything. fairly easy with the canister, you screw one off, you screw one back in. On the other ones, the M17s, your M10s, fairly easy. The main thing is not to force them, not to overextend flap on the inside of the mass, because there's a possibility that you're going to tear it. But it's fairly easy. After you've done it a couple of times, you'll become more and more proficient. You're going to sit there and struggle and strain for about 30 minutes. you've done it a couple of times, you're going to get it down to about, oh, maybe two, three minutes or so. But just don't get frustrated. Okay, very good. Now pay attention folks, we're switching gears. We're going to go in here. We dropped off a week ago before we started running into all this NBC stuff. We were talking about the resuscitation from shock and trauma. We had dropped off and we were covering the stuff about a sucking chest wound. Now it's going to accompany mostly any foreign body penetrations or perforations of the chest wall. Now if the chest wall has a disruption and it's large and the portal spleen space is going to freely communicate with the exterior, you're going to have an open wound with the pneumothorax is going to be the result. Now, if the communications is intermittent, now it's going to create a one-wave valve, a flat valve effect, and what it's going to do is it's going to permit the entry of air under the atmospheric pressure during the inspiration and then when the exhaust is going to be obstructed during the expiration, breathing in, breathing out. Now then the condition is going to result in an increasing of the pressure in the interplural space and then you're going to get a tension pneumo for us. It's going to cause the lung to collapse and it's going to start pressure on the midastinum and then it's going to start swinging over into the unaffected lung and you're going to have real problems there. Now in either event, the immediate correction by placement of an occlusive, the evacuation of the pneumothorax is going to result in a recovery of the patient and a physiological integrity of the chest wall or any more formal surgical debridement of the chest wall. The closure should be done urgently after the patient has been resuscitated. Now the next one is going to be a rupture of the diaphragm. The diaphragm is a muscle that separates the abdominal cavity. Now after closed injuries to either the chest or the abdomen, they can go on undetected initially, especially if your attention is directed more than any of your injuries. In other words, it's often overlooked that you're not even thinking in that direction because you can't see that injury. Now, the discovery of the air, the fluid levels, configuration in the lower left chest, in the abdomen, or the patient isn't really recovering with your vigorous recovery effort. You might want to suspect that there's been a diaphragm, and what it's going to do is it could let blood or any of the plurals The problems could be going on internally that you can't really see. Now, a chronic problem of the herniation of this, they can be tolerated sometimes by patients. If the diagnosis has been missed at the time of the treatment of the original injury, But the defects should be corrected when they've finally been discovered and then that's going to help restore the ventilatory function of the patient. And again, it's all going to depend on how big that hole is in the diaphragm. The next one we're going to cover here is the pneumothorax. Now, that may result from a disruption of the chest wall like we've covered earlier with the sucking chest wound. and where it's going to communicate with the outside or the inside in the pleural space. Now there could be a laceration of the visceral pleura or the lung itself. It could be a fracture of a major airway or rarely an esophageal injury. Sometimes will be looking towards the trachea, but they could have a perforated esophagus and the air could be entering in through that. The esophagus is what goes down from the back of the mouth down to the stomach. Now in each instance, the injury permits the air under the atmospheric pressure to enter into the plural space with either a partial or a complete potential for producing attention pneumothorax. preceding causes of like action starts to develop. As the interplural pressure increases, the mediastinum, that's where the heart, the body there in the chest cavity, it's the mediastinum and then it's gonna start to shift the intact, the blood starts to accumulate on the injured side, it's gonna start pushing everything over to the uninjured side and then that's gonna start partial obstruction of the blood flow in the vena cava. And then this condition is going to necessitate immediate decompress by insertion of a large bore needle or a catheter into the pleural space, prevent a progression, and eventually the death of the patient. Now initially a pneumothorax is treated by the insertion of a chest tube drainage, and then the injury that produces the pneumothorax is we're going to take care of that, but it must be really identified and determined and then we've got to treat that. Now the next step, the next injury is going to be a hemothorax where you're going to have blood accumulating within the plural space. Trauma, the noumothorax, hemothorax, and if it's life-endangering bleeding out of the person is not immediately, you're going to have to insert a chest tube through the intercostal space. and that's going to be sufficient to evacuate some instances. You might even consider two chest tubes pulling out the, and then one's going to be pulling out the blood. Now, your immediate therapeutic objectives in a hemothorax is to evacuate the pleural space, determine the need for any emergency type of surgery, and then a thoracotomy is necessary if the blood loss continues or the resuscitant does not produce sensation of the patient. chemothora, it's going to necessitate the cleaning up of the lung itself. It's preventable. You get the chest tube in and usually the lung is going to seal any particular tension. The bleeding from the low pressure of the pulmonary cause of the air leak, they're going to usually subside and respond. The chest tube in, we're not necessarily worried that there might be communications. long in there that they'll usually seal themselves off. Now the temptation to undertake a lung repair, any major resection is great, but however, that may appear to be irreversibly damaged on a gross examination at the time of an operation, it'll usually gonna recover with all the straw. The next thing is a tracheal or a breast. Now, this is going to produce the widespread dissection of the air accompanied by an uncontrollable air leak in a lot of the patients. Now, the presence of pneumothorax, the hemonumothorax, cutaneous, you're going to see that, the subcutaneous emphysema, and then in the neck and the upper torso, it could be your key that's going to arouse going on that they've got a tracheal or a bronchial. Usually, you'll see that. the neck and the upper chest. Somebody's in an automobile accident and their chest complaining of pain on their right side and you can feel that there's a one of the ribs is kind of depressed but you're not feeling any subcutaneous emphysema there but you're actually spinning the neck and you're going to not suspect that you've got a punctured lung from the rib itself. You have a tear in your trachophagus so you're going to have to kind of cover this before But just for the new listeners, when I say spasimos, sometimes it's referred to as crepus. You're going to see the neck will start to puff. And then when you feel that in there, you push in with your fingers, it'll feel kind of cruddy. Kind of, if you could imagine, there would be steiss underneath the skin itself, kind of pushing on that. And that's the air. inside the chest cavity and then it's accumulating inside of underneath the subcutaneous skin. Now if it's an esophageal injury and this is really infrequent, the penetration or the perforation is going to occur in the passage of a foreign body and the rupture. It can also maybe accompany a blood trauma like somebody's ring wheel. So believe if at all possible, get a chest direct then it's going to reveal the pneumothorax and you're going to see a metostinal shift. And that can be either with or without a pneumothorax. And the diagnosis is going to be confirmed by looking down esophagus itself, usually way down inside. You'll be able to see that there. You might hear some gurgling sound on that. The main areas of lawn gear is cardiac and the interferometer. injuries. They may either be sub can be a real dramatic contusion or resulting flow to the the pericardium is usually asymptomatic. We're going to see as if you have an EKG machine, you're going to start seeing changes in those, then you're going to start seeing in the blood pressure where the two numbers the say for instance 120 over 80 and you're going to start seeing these numbers creature together and that's a pretty good Indication that you've got a the blood is accumulating in the pericardium. That's a synodaxes in there, but the fusion on the heart rupture of cardium it can start inside there and it's going to be on the heart muscle itself. The next one cardiac camp. It's a urgent clinical finding. Now the any acute symptoms may not be evident on in your initial findings, but they can be causing a severely limited feeling of your right ventral of the heart, putting pressure from the outside of the heart, then the right side of the heart, then you're going to tension a low blood pressure. You're going to see a rising in your venous blood pressure and a small listening to be what you would expect. So basically the only thing that you can do about this is a needle usually going to be sufficient. to relieve the Campanade urgently. and you're going to get about a 20 or so cc syringe with about a 6 inch hypodermic needle and you're going to go off to the left side of the sternum and you're going to push it in at about a 90 degree angle perpendicular to the heart and you'll feel as you go through the skin and then you're aspirating, you're pulling back on the plunger of that Then you'll feel as you go into the pericardium and you need to draw this fluid off and usually that will be sufficient to restore the problem in the thing. Usually any small penetrating or perforating wounds. of the myocardium are going to seal without any further bleeding. However, most patients, you're going to see a benefit of removing any of that fluid, the blood that's from around the pericardium. The next thing I want to cover is the traumatic aneurysm or aortic rupture. Then you have the aorta, the arch of the aorta that goes up and it kind of curves around to the left and then it descends down through the chest cavity down into the abdomen and then it splits and goes down into the femoral arteries but up above there in the abdomen you have the hepatic circulation where you have major vessels go to the kidneys and the liver and everything. the thoracic aorta aneurysm or the aortic rupture. Now it's going to be associated with a rapid deceleration injury. Those usually occur in high speed automobile accidents. Now the descending thoracic aorta is fixed to the spinal column. by your paired intercostal vessels. So the vessels that run around between your ribs, that's going to kind of help hold the thoracic aorta in place. But the arch of the aorta is not fixed into the chest. Now, the injury is going to be characteristically is going to occur in the distal, the far end of the aorta and somewhere the origin of the left subclavian artery. Now, clinical, the presence of a decreased femoral artery pulsation, so you're feeling from the pulse. down in the femoral arteries and for some reason they don't be as strong as they should be as compared to your radial or your brachial pulses and stuff. So, and if you're going to associate that with deceleration injuries, automobile accidents, then you're going to start thinking that there's something going on in there and that you're going to think that there's some really significant trauma that's occurred in there. There's not a whole lot that you can do short of cutting somebody's chest open and repairing it. But if I had my way, and I know we've covered these brain injuries before, I'd rather drill a hole in somebody's head to alleviate the pressure than to cut somebody's chest open to try to repair an aorta. We're talking about a massive amount of blood flowing through there. There's a lot more equipment that's associated with cutting open somebody's chest as compared to cutting open somebody's head. And if there's any, I have a little bit of information for anybody that wants to look into this. I have a book called Acute Diaphragmic Injuries and it's by Druze, Mercer and Benfield. And then I have another deal, it's called The Recent Advances in the Operative Management of Massive Chest Trauma by that kind of wrap that block up of that block of instructions. The next thing that we're going to cover on, maybe, let's see, this is Thursday, maybe tomorrow we're going to start in with two abdominal injuries. But, you know, when we cover over these things, we're talking to a broad spectrum of people, and it all depends on your level of expertise, your competence. the equipment that you have on hand, but again, we're not trying to turn everybody per se into medics or cardiovascular thoracic surgeons or brain surgeons or anything like that, but in these diagnostic tools of things that we see of going on with the patient, then this is going to help us to determine who is really seriously injured. You may have somebody that's been in an automobile accident and they don't really manifest any outward signs of truly traumatic injuries, but on examination that you see that there's some serious blood pressure problems or pulse problems and stuff, and then they need to have priority to the treatment. And again, sometimes it sounds real creepy about drilling a hole in somebody's brain or sticking a six-inch needle in somebody's chest. But sometimes it's, you know, once you've seen these things done, it's not so mystifying in itself. You'll get through it. Pretty much all I have to say Mark. Real quick Mike and for all our people listening guys I have picked up and this is no exaggeration Defib units with the baby paddles, you know little infant paddles the full adult paddles Right out of the ambulances at the U of M where they virtually have just changed the batteries for $10 apiece I've got an EKG unit smaller than a briefcase, all ready to go, everything right there, they're all self-contained and it's the kit that goes on the ambulance for $10 a unit. So you need to pay attention to your university property disposals. because there's a lot of stuff that comes through. You got to remember they have fleets of ambulances, they have emergency sites. An example, most people know this, all the reactor sites, we got little reactors and nuclear medicine sites, they have to have a little mini hospital with everything we're talking about, like on an ambulance, down the hall from the reactor and down the hall from the cyclotrons they build. There's all kinds of regulations and every two years they get rid of everything. and replace it. So if you go to your property control, property disposal points, a lot of equipment that Mike has mentioned is accessible. We have units that are completely outfitted this way and it's not impossible to do. A lot of you need to start watching for medical disposal sites where they're getting rid of equipment. Not because it's outdated, but because somebody has the latest trinket and somebody got paid under the table to change a contract. It happens all the time. I don't complain about it. We take everything they're getting rid of. If they're going to get rid of it and you can get it for a great price, pick it up. We're that much better prepared. I have a policy we need it stacked like cordwood all over the place anyway. Who cares if it's a little older? You're not going to ask if you're leaning on the ground bleeding to death or you've got a major head or chest injury and someone's going to have to work on you. It's just going to happen. Now, I'd rather do that with the right tools even if they're a little bit older than shall we say improvising with radiator hose and wiper lines and all the other stuff you've seen. that people have had to do. I mean there's things that can be done to improvise but why do that when we're in a resource rich environment? We are at the top of the hour so one more thing here real quick. Go to auctions.gsaauctions.gov. GSAauctions.gov. Anything you can think of as their medical support items come through all the time. Sometimes stacked like cordwood just like we're talking about. 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