October 29, 2008
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Mark Koernke and Donald Betcher discussed building budget-friendly sniper rifles from surplus military arms found at gun shows. The hosts provided detailed guidance on sourcing inexpensive rifle components, optics, ammunition, and accessories from grab boxes and vendor tables, demonstrating how to assemble a functional rifle for $65-75. They covered scope mounting techniques, the M1D Garand's offset scope design, tip mounts for lever-action rifles, and practical finishing methods using inexpensive paint. The episode emphasized preparedness, self-sufficiency, and the strategic value of auxiliary weapons for facility defense and freeing up primary combat arms.
- gun shows
- surplus rifles
- scope mounting
- m1 garand
- mosin nagant
- carcano
- arisaka
- preparedness
- ammunition
- sniper rifle
- budget firearms
- liberty rifle
- stripper clips
- bipods
- camouflage paint
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Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic in each God-given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each god-given rite, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Well, good evening ladies and gentlemen, this is the Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Kornke. And I'm Donald Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, east, southwest, central, and northwest. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on libertytreeradio.4mg.com, pbn.4mg.com, and we're on live 365. Then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We're also on AM&FM microstations, CB base stations, and ultra net technologies across all of the continental United States, also southern and central Alaska, and expanding from there. Well, Don, today is... ...29 October is secure. It is... Oh my God, you didn't touch that gun, did you? Oh my goodness, it didn't bite you? No. The ammunition didn't explode? Did you drop around? You didn't let the magazine hit the table, did you? They could have cascade fired immediately. I watch movies. Starting a chain reaction in the destroyed world. That's right. No. What? What do you mean they lie in Hollywood? Oh man. Two things you don't do number one is remember if you drop around in a Hollywood movie it explodes like a nuclear device and the other thing is Whatever you do don't drive a car I mean have you ever noticed this about how many I drive all over the place guys how many burning wreckage is the Rex do you pass on the road when your car bumps into the car in front of it or you know has it double and explodes while it's spiraling If you look at Hollywood and how they condition people, it's like, oh my god, you're going to have an accident. You're going to have an accident. You're going to have an accident. And the same is true with firearms. The idea is this is mental reinforcing with regard to just general stupidity and ignorance. And we have to correct that every once in a while. Okay, grenades do not generate massive balls of flame, nor consume you with the shock wave and destruction wave of atomizing flash power, I guess, with regard to flame and whatever. That's not how it works. They're very dull actually to look at in that respect, but they're very devastating and dangerous to be near. Grenades, no, no friends. Magazines do run out, contrary to everybody thinks. Or people do know how to carry more than one magazine. The other thing I've always been fascinated by is, you know, you pick up the gun, they only bring one, but they don't bring a mag down. Yeah, but the other favorite is you can't take a bazooka out of your vest pocket, you know, the inside pocket. What are you talking about? All of a sudden you reach inside your vest and... You know, you've got that... Wait a minute, hold on here, Edward! Hand me that piano! Yes. That's how it works. Shot in the foot seven times and still running. That varies depending on shock value there, of course, and of course how much is left of whatever got shot. So that's another issue. A couple things that we have going on right now that are interesting. First of all, a little quick response to something here. In the chat room there was a question about the M1D sniper rifle and the fact that somebody at a gun show had the scope mounted directly over the receiver. The only possible way that that could happen, you might remember we had used to have what we call tip mounts. How many of you remember these? Now there's two places where those were built. They were built for, well, after World War II, especially in the 60s and 70s when a lot of these M1 Garands started showing up in more people's hands because they sold a lot of them to Surplus, by the way. Many countries did, and the US did too. The tip mount was used on two weapons, the M1 Garand, and you'll also see it, used to see it built for the Lever Action Winchester. Now, it's not a military mount, but the idea behind this is that literally it is a hinged scope base, side mounted or mounted to the existing military fixture depending on what it was built for. You could actually tip the whole group, the scope group, the rings, everything was built to a base platform that hinged to the left. Now, there were a couple reasons for this. In some cases it had to do with ejection ports, also with ejection direction. One of the models actually had a little deflector plate because remember the Winchester's, with the way that they eject, if you're collecting Winchester's, there's a difference between the top straight eject rear and there's also a side drop eject. There are different variations on the theme. They did this intentionally to deal with certain issues to include the fact that more and more people wanted to try and put scopes on the classic lever action model 94. So that's where that came up. It's possible if you took a closer look that might be the case if not You're absolutely right about that not looking correct But the biggest problem is the grand requires the use of a d clip and one of the things about the m1d is that? And not just d clip it's the m1 there's the you know the m1 in this case the d model is the sniper rifle configuration The scope mount was offset to the left to allow for the introduction of the D-clip into the magazine well. If you can't do that, you can't use the Grand as anything other than a really, really heavy single-shot rifle. Yep, exactly. So you there there again I have to you have to take a closer look at that rifle and ask them You know, hey, can I see that and how is this supposed to work? Now these tip mounts one of the things that may have been a long-term issue with regard to Performance is that they usually pivoted back over and there were us there were one or two studs on the base of the mount that rested on the receiver at a rigid given point on the rifle Now that would be the wear point. The hinges would wear over a long period of time. But the biggest concern is that when you're dropping that scope mount back into place, that little tip, that little piece of metal would actually start to impact or wear. That would be my assumption over a long haul. Of course it takes some time, but it is a consideration. Something to think about. These tip scope mounts though, we're handy for a number of different arms. There are several different types where this would apply. And I don't know, but I seem to recall, and I'd have to double check this, B Square made a variation on that scope mount years and years ago. And they built them for the Garand, they built them for the Moissan Nega, they made them for a number of different weapons. B Square, of course, was the company that first came up with the idea of and stuck to it, and actually it's a good one. They could adapt a scope mount to any military arm without altering the weapon. In other words, this is what we call a non-tapping scope mount. What you had was to use, they would come up with the engineering to make the scope mount fit the type of rifle sight that was already on the weapon. Now the bad part is that typically you lost the use of the iron sight temporarily because the mount actually goes in place of the rear sight element of whatever iron sight system that military arm has. But the advantage is if you wanted to use what was considered to be a collectible or at least a weapon you wanted to keep original for the most part, you could put this scope mount on a Nagant rifle, K98, Model 96. They made them for the British Smellies, you know, the SMLE, number 1 mark 3 or the number 4 mark 1. which is of course just the Mark IV. The Mark IV I is not a smelly. The earlier model is a smelly. Anyway, the concept that B-square put in place actually was very popular for many, many years, and still is. And you can find them used. So here's a consideration. Now, Mark is in need of, let's say, putting weapons together, and Mark doesn't have a whole lot of money. So we walk through the gun show and we find ourselves a really tired looking Moss rifle in 7.5 Moss. Stock doesn't have a butt plate. Stock has been cut at the fore grip just past the sling ring and has been made to be sporterized but somebody just decided to take the hacks out of that stock and that's it. Other than that it's tired, finishes all gone. The wood is looking actually bleached and kind of gray because of even the oils have worked out of that. What do we do with this? Well, first of all, we obviously are going to be doing some refinish work when we get it home. But we're looking at a base rifle for maybe $20, $30 that we can turn into a nice little placement sniper rifle in a few minutes. If we come back, we're going to finish this job at the gun show. This is the Intel Report, Weapons Wednesday. 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Well, you Well, we've got real quick on that note, Marcus just gave us a call in while we're off the air and www.gunshows-usa.com. What's that again, Don? Gun shows, just like it sounds, you guys. Gun shows, dash, USA, Tom. Put three W's in front of that. And hey, this old list in alphabetical, United States there, gun shows. And I think you can ratchet it around a little bit, you know, a mechanical term used in a computer world mark. You computer guys will know what I'm trying to tell you. You can ratchet it around a little bit and around in the month. What's coming up not just this month, on and on. So again, yeah, this is it. Gun shows dash USA, USA. Sit down yet. The chalkboard cleans. Alright, I tell you what, Don, you're a little soft. That's the only thing today, just so you can. I don't know why, but it could be a connection. And again, the advantage here is one place, check to see what's available in your area or what's close. You can get to it as quickly as you can. Every weekend up to Christmas, there I'm sure will be gun shows and just after. Past the December mark, remember, usually things get a little slow. Past this December, things are going to get hot. You know what I mean. If not sooner, so let's all be prepared for that. Now, I'm just going to explain real quick. Let's say I go into the gun show and, you know, I picked a Moss Rifle, a bolt-action French Moss Rifle, nothing fancy. I may or may not have the end station in place. If it does, the Moss Rifle had a built-in, screwed-in cruciform bayonet. Looks like a stud, okay, underneath the barrel. which is exactly what it's meant to look like. Now if you unscrew that you'll find that as you pull that out there's a bayonet in there that you can turn around. However that little stud comes in handy for other things when you use the bayonet. We're going to explain that in a minute. But let's say we take the Maas or it's a 6.5 Jap rifle or maybe a 7.35 Carcano. Maybe it's a, notice I'm listening to some really wow, well what are those? Well these are oddball military arms that usually got cobbled and supported and people are throwing them back on the shelf. Might find a 7mm rouser. Okay, people might pass that by normally, but here's the thing. Guy's got it on the table for $35, $45, maybe $50. Boar looks okay, bolt's not bad, doesn't have any big holes or pit marks in it, but it is a little rusty, who cares? Clean it, you can clean it up. As long as that action's smooth and that bolt and barrel are in decent shape, you've got the basis for a handout rifle, but it doesn't just have to stay the way it is. So Mark's gonna grab this rifle for $50 or $45, ideally cheaper is better, and I've got a basic action to work with. Now, what am I gonna do? Well, I can opt for some sling rings, but everything that I need I can get from grab boxes off of people's shelves, off the tables right there at the show. I don't have to go buy new, and the only place where I might buy new would be in the optics area. But let's go down through the tables. I go over to one of the guys who specializes in butt stocks and old junk rifle parts. The butt plate on the rifle is missing. The butt plate itself, where it was, has got a little nail in it. It's a little rough anyway. Well, I look in there and here's, he's got a, for a dollar a piece, he's got these U screw them and grind them rubber butt plates that are about an inch and a half thick. Now once you put those in place you have to take a sander and sand them down, a belt sander, to the dimension of the stock. Okay, so they're very simple to make, you know, to use. You gorilla glue them and screw them in if you want to because after all this is kind of not a toss-away rifle, but she's already in pretty rough shape so you're not going to hurt anything. Clean up that butt plate area later on, you're going to attach that rubber butt plate. Now, If I want to make her a little fancier and I want to ensure that I have something to put it over my shoulder with, chances are the metal is missing and a lot of these may or may not be. I might want to go through the other junk box you've got sitting there and find two kind of matching, though I don't care what color, blued or parkerized or anodized, sling rings for the rifle. Usually you can find a set of kind of tired or decent matched or mismatched screw-in type it'll go right into the wooden stock. There I've settled my sling ring problem and I got paid about a dollar fifty to two dollars. Now I go down the way here and a guy's got a junk box plus he's got a whole bunch of other surplus clothing and in there he has AK-74 gray web slings with a couple of simple figure-8 keepers that'll go right on those sling rings I just bought for another fifty cents or dollar in his grab box. Now it could also be any number of different types of canvas or nylon webbing that's in there that's a couple of feet, about four feet long, because I've got to be able to wrap it around. And I can go get the sling keepers that you use to weave your sling into to keep it tight to adjust it. I can go to the hardware and get them here for $0.10 a piece of nylon. Or I can watch the junk web gear that people are throwing away, like old butt packs, old backpacks for school. And I can cut the two parts off of that with the one I needed and there's my little plastic keepers for my sling. Gee, so far I'm not really spending a lot of money. Now, the only place where I'm going to have to look at a little, I'm going to have to consider how much I want to spend is since I'm going to probably put optics on this thing. Now the reason I'm going to do that is because many of these rifles have typically had the iron sights knocked off them either on the front or on the rear. Now if they have the iron sights on, the consideration is do I keep using it that way, which I'd like to be able to. And that's going to determine what kind of old sling rings I'm going to look for. What do I want? I want to set a see-through. I want to set a peep-overs, or peep-unders in this case. So if I can, I'm going to go down the aisle here until I find a guy that's got a couple other grab boxes. Usually it's a can, or a tin, or a box. And it says, everything in this box for $1. OK, $1 an item. sometimes fifty cents sometimes two for a dollar sometimes two dollars a piece well if it's a scope base do I really care I'm looking for a couple of rings I need them I want to make sure they're standard to mention I want the keepers I also want the base and if I'm going to tap it I'll tap it if I'm lucky he might even have a couple of B-square mounts laying in there usually they'll be worn they're aluminum in many cases so they're gonna have some anodizing missing but you usually you can ID what they're for if they'll fit the rifle you got in your hands, be it an Arasaka or be it whatever. 7mm Mauser and any of the pre-98 models. Now, I got my sling rings, I got my scope base, I got my scope rings now, I got those for a dollar for a set, they aren't pretty and they're not the top of the line, although they may have been back when they were taken off the rifle they came off from. I've got a bunch of little goody used parts here now. The last thing I'm going to spend a little time on is scopes. Now there's two directions with scopes I can go. I can either look down the line here for somebody who's got a simple 9 power or 12 power fixed rigid scope that somebody took off a rifle because they wanted a variable power scope. I could actually go smaller. It's a matter of what somebody got rid of. As long as the hairs, the crosshairs will still adjust, And as long as the gas hasn't, you know, the seal is not busted on the scope and the scope isn't foggy, you know, you know what to look for. I got myself a cheap scope for about $10. Don't be afraid even to look down to just a simple for power. That's right. Whatever it is that's affordable. In fact, you can go the other way. We'll go that direction too. You can find CHI-COM scopes for as little as $6, $7 or $10 that are brand new in the box that are smaller powered scopes. Okay, low powered scopes. They will work just fine. We're building up a rifle as a handout rifle. Now there is since I saved all this money the option to go over to the guy that has more of this China port sports stuff example We have like Midwest sales that shows up with the gun shows and he has trays and trays and trays of stuff that he bought from the 80s and the 90s and even today That's the import stuff from China or whatever and everybody goes at China I said well we're gonna hand this thing out We only won't put it together. So if maybe we can throw it away and still we want serviceable Now the only specialized tool here that I really might want to purchase is you can get variable, adjustable, fold down, mount to stock. bipods for pretty reasonable price. In fact they're as cheap as about seven dollars for a complete unit in the box with the screws and there's my bipod base for my rifle. The other option is if I go over to the military surplus guy three aisles over he's got a whole pile of these nylon scissor type go on the barrel bipods like he used on the M16. Yeah, but you better pay attention to them when you're running through the brush. Yeah, the only thing about that is you don't want to lose them, but the thing is, what's cool is they're a quick clip on, and if you have like that old Moss Rifle, that bayonet stud works as a perfect location to clip on temporarily your bipod while not directly affecting the barrel. And if you are disciplined enough to start to leave a position, you're doing pretty good. You won't be leaving it for someone else to find later. Oops, wait a minute, I didn't want to do that, I just paid for that. Wait, aw man. Well anyway with the with the little cheapy in the box fold down fixed to the stock system I have all the parts now to allow me to finish that rifle off and make it look pretty good But I still need one more thing now Here's where the connoisseur would go oh I need to spend a little money me on the other hand after I'm done at the gun show we go over to the strip mall or we go over to the place that used to be a regular store and there's a dollar store there and And we go inside and we go back into the paint section if they have one, or we kind of pay attention to all your dollar stores are different. And I look to see if they have any primer gray, primer brown, or flat black. And I'm going to pick that up. Now, I might stop over the hardware. And for my finished coat, I'm going to buy one can of OD green or a can of OD green and loam slash earth brown. Between the flat black, the OD green, and the brown, I have three colors to camouflage my new sniper rifle. Now, I will mention one more thing. I shouldn't have left the gun show yet, so I gotta step back out of the store and go back over to the show. I still have the stamp on the back of my hand, so they say they nod and I go inside and I thought, wait a minute Mark, you should have had a V8. Well, actually, you bought the rifle. Did you get any ammo? Don't! Yeah, it was great. I got that 7.5 French and everybody goes that's why everybody looked at me I'm sure in the air they're looking sideways at the at the speaker on the radio and going huh Well, I go down the aisle and I find myself the ammo dealer Now we're gonna come back But now there's a couple solutions here real quick because I got to have something to put down range So when we get back we're going to discuss this. The later points of acquisition of the gun show to put my little $60 rifle together. We'll be back in about three minutes. Don and Mark here on Liberty Tree Radio. Why come ye to the red goats? What mind you've met? There's spills in our valleys, there is danger, and there's danger in our hills. Oh, hear ye not just singin' of the view, though wild and free. Soon you'll know the ringin' of the rifle from the tree. Oh, the rifle, oh, the rifle, in our hands will prove no joyful. You may ride a good late speed, you may know a stern a master Your forward marks with speed, but you'll learn the back much faster When you meet our mountain boys And their leader, John, is dark Glad you make what little noise and always hit the mark Hold the rifle, hold the rifle In our hands, we'll prove no frightful Maggie no graves at home, back across the brine in water And Giddy he must come like, well it's a suit to slaughter But it's way the job must do, and as soon as he's begun If Clinton's figure holds a buck through, the quicker it will be done Hold the rifle, hold the rifle In our hands we'll prove no true rifle Hold the rifle, hold the rifle In our hands we'll prove no true rifle bits of history there. This is my rifle and oh the rifle from the mark. As a matter of fact one of the things we need to do is this. Now this is where we're going to get into an odd scenario but it works. Let's say that you don't know much about the rifle you picked up but you know it's in 7.5 French or in 7.35 Carcano or, now that's an odd one because you're going to need stripper clips I will mention this. If you buy for instance a Steyr straight pull, a model M95, or you got hold of a Carcano 6.5 or 7.35. Both of those do require stripper clips just like the M1 Garand uses a D-clip. They require a man-lincher clip to hold the ammo for the magazine to work because they are the magazine. The only thing that's inside your rifle with an M95 Steyr or with a Carcano 6.5 or 7.35 is a spring guide that goes right up through the middle of that stripper guide and keeps pressure on the case for as long as it's held on the individual shells while they're held in the magazine. Once they're done, the stripper clip drops out through the bottom, not ching through the top like on a grand. The man-lature clip drops through the bottom of the rifle and allows you to immediately insert another stripper clip of six rounds. Now that's not a bad design. Actually, think about it. It's just like the grand. What do you got to think about? No matter which way you go, it was an avid dexterist with a Carcano or the grand. Now the styre is different. The styre is direction specific. It has finger serrations on the top of the stripper clip and it is a straight guide that's tapered, I mean it's designed to be a clamp guide that's tapered on about a 78 degree angle from center. And in either case, if it requires stripper clips, you're going to have to start looking for those. And that's where you might spend a few pennies because they will charge you for the stripper clips. Okay, you know that. However, we're working with a 7.5 Moss or we're working with a 7mm Mauser for today. Either way, first of all, we go to a gun dealer, an ammo dealer in the show that has either he's a reloader if there aren't many ammo dealers, or you go to a regular ammo dealer and you ask for some of the guys that's bigger say, hey, you got any 7.5 French around? He goes, yes, I do. How much is a box? A box is, oh, it's not going to be cheap. It's going to be like $12.50 to $15 a box. Maybe less if you're lucky because some of their 7.5 French, there is surplus around. Now we're only buying one box of this ammunition. Now why am I doing this? I need a true sample. Let's say that you're not a person with calipers and a mic and you don't have all the information, the database that Mark has or other people might have, and you're doing this off the shelf because you're learning as you go. You buy one box of the correct ammunition for that rifle that you picked up for $35 or $40, 7.5 French or 7mm Mauser or whatever. Now, You go through the rest of the show to places where people have odd lots of stuff laying on the table Huh? Well, here's the thing a lot of stuff they put in grab boxes. They're not sure what it is either sometimes get my drift But mark went to the ammo dealer that has a true box of ammunition Mark is then going to take one round out of the box which gives me the proper specs and dimension including case base identifiers and and I'm going to go to the grab boxes and start sorting through things. Now my first box of ammunition, the round may have cost for a brand new factory round about 35 cents per round, maybe 40 cents per round. That's not really all that bad. Typically boxer prime non-corrosive reloadable brass. I'm not going to throw that away. If you go with military, it'll be bardame prime, sometimes steel case, uh... mildly corrosive if it's because of the seven point five french well chances are was made by the french okay now the thing is that russian bear all those bear animals down there made right now with uh... uh... they're made uh... to factory spec and boxer prince you can get him that way i need one box of that i'll pull one cartridge out that's going to be my template for matching up stuff out of the grab boxes It's also going to be my template when I go through the, oh I got a box of five rounds of this or six rounds of that out of 20 sitting on the table and they don't know what it is. You do a quick check, you can round up a hundred rounds of ammunition for a lot less money. I'll bet it will be different loads, different mix, you know, different combinations. In many cases it won't, it's just going to be, now you can see what the one case looks like, you can match up the others that are in other people's hands. This is going to be more time consuming than all of the rest of the other activity you did scraping through all the other grab boxes or just patiently looking on the tables for what you needed. However, the more ammo you have, the happier you will be, won't you? So and again you got to be able if you want to try to shoot this thing you're gonna be have to bring it in and sight it in when you're done with applying the scope etc. Well I got my ammunition I took that took part of the day and I had some fun because I also found another scope for about seven dollars wasn't fancy looks like it's got a little bit of scrape on the outside from a deer season you know a little bit of the anodized surfaces missing so there's some aluminum showing but otherwise it's a pretty sound scope. I found another bipod for another rifle I wanted. Oh, and I found some other goodies because I slowed down and looked around for my other rifles in terms of ammunition in the grab box for about, oh, 10 cents a round. Maybe 12, maybe 15. Nowadays, when ammunition's 40 cents a round, 15 cents a round doesn't sound so bad, does it, Don? Now, I'll go back home. By the way, I had to make my one more stop. I got my camouflage paint colors, or just a flat color of green. I'm going to go back first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to try to get that rifle out of the stock. If I can, great. If not, I might just suffer with it the way it is because I don't want to bust anything up. But I want to try and disassemble it and I want to make sure that it's clean. Now there's two things I can do. Obviously I can do a Google search that's really you know computer or I can go over to my bookshelf and over a period of time I've collected all these exploded diagram books that we were talking about That are usually about ten twelve dollars at the show you can collect them over a period of time And I'm going to go through and find that rifle I want to disassemble it to instruction, and I'm going to clean everything up Now if it's a part that has surface to surface contact. I don't paint that because I don't want anything hanging up right But in places where I know it's going to be an outer surface area that's going to be exposed to the weather, first I plug everything up with a little bit of newspaper or cotton, cover it up appropriately with tape if need be so that it doesn't have to worry about paint getting in there, make sure that I clean everything off on the outside. If there's a little bit of rust, guys break out the Brillo pads and break out the, and by the way don't get out there with a sander or you can if you want to. You're not caring too much about this rifle and its finish is already shot and in theory it's kind of rough anyway. However, green pads and different gauges of burlopad slash steel wool will eliminate most of your oxidation problems. Now, make sure we clear everything up good and keep it dry. We got it wiped off. We break out our 99 cent can of base paint and we spray it. Black, your choice, brown, whatever you got. And then we're going to go over it with our colors and make it look whatever, however we want to. Now, then we're going to look at applying our fissures. Now, with the stock, you want to sand it down, clean it up a little bit, that's fine, I don't care. If you have some deep dings you want to bring out, here's a little secret, but it's going to take you some time because you're going to lose the day. What you do is take a wet washcloth, especially if it's a tired dry stock, it's got a dent or a ding and it's pretty deep. Take your little washcloth, fold it up or your rag, fold it up, dip it in warm water. Get the rag warm and wet and then wring it out a little bit and lay it right on that dimple and walk away. Now you've made a project there that's going to last a little longer because you're going to have to A, let that water work into the wood, it's going to expand the wood, it's going to soak it up, it's going to pull that dimple back out. Now that means I'm gonna have to take another day to paint it, but we'll go we'll go past that Let's say we didn't do that. We're not worried. We don't have any major stock problems Even if we do we don't care we're gonna sand the stock down clean it out We're gonna get inside there and make sure there's no rusty spots on the wood, huh? Well sometimes underneath you get rust. It's it usually permeates the wood a little bit We don't want that making contact with anything again. So let's clean everything up inside the stock Dust it off really good, dry it off, wipe it off, and we can paint that at our discretion or you can linseed oil it. Personally with this project, I'd paint it to match the rifle. just because I want to blend in better and guys I don't think anybody's gonna care about the quality of the finish on this thing considering the situation how you found in the first place your $35 rifle is well your total cost if we add everything up down as we were saying is about 65 to 70 dollars worth of expense but you have an unregistered papered Liberty rifle in a standard military caliber decent bore and hard-hitting Now we're going to add our scope mount fixture. We're going to make sure that that's properly aligned. Guys, I'm not going to go into detail. We don't have enough time for that. But we're going to mount our fixtures. We're going to mask everything over. We're not going to paint up our scope completely. However, we are going to cover key components, and we can paint it to eliminate any possibility of oxidation where finish is worn off. Remember cover it with something in this case you got the camouflage paint you match it up to your to the rest of the system We then affix our our fold down bipod to the stock apply the sling rings adjust the sling and Let's take it out to the range now after we've double-checked to make sure everything is reattached where it's supposed to be we put it all back together We have ourselves a little tack driver that we can start working with now when we site this in let's bring it as close as we can to center bore and and we will do a one-round placement shot on paper at 25 yards, in other words the 1000 inch range. Sometimes to save time and ammunition I've come even closer but usually you should be able to golf ball it in at 25 yards, you should be smacking the paper somewhere. Now be generous with your sight adjustment. because we don't have as much ammunition to expend. So if you suspect, I mean I've done this before Don with .308s and .06s where we'll take part of a day to bring it in. Okay? Well anyway, we get to the point where we print paper, then we'll be generous with our adjustment, then we do a three-shot group. Now we may do a spotter round again to see if our adjustment was pretty much accurate, you know, in the ballpark. Then we want to do a three-round spotter group to see how the rifle's patterning. Once we see that we're looking at consistent strike and we've double-checked our screws to make sure that our scope is secure. In other words, it isn't backing off with the rounds that are fired. We forgot to, you know, tighten up a single screw down, something like that. Always embarrassing, but it happens. Just in case, now we know that we're printing within a, say, a nickel or a dime on the 25, you know, the 25-yard range. Now we pull the target back and we do another spotter shot. Once that's done and we see that we're in the target area, we've got ourselves a pretty decent rifle we can take out to whatever range we wish. But as an intermediate light sniper rifle, here's something I can hand out. Cost, $65 to $75. Originally, it looked like something in a wrecking yard. Now it looks like something that can run with the big boys. And again, the guy who shows up bare naked, congratulations, he's got a rifle. We'll be back in three minutes. We've got Don and Mark here at Liberty Tree Radio, Weapons Wednesday. Collectors, outdoor enthusiasts, survivalists. The Army-Navy Store from your memory as a child is just that, a memory. But there is still one place to find everything from gas masks to ammo cans and find it cheap. MainMilitary.com. 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And did I mention how much money you're going to save by turning down your air conditioner overnight? Please don't let another sleepless night go by. Get your Bedfan by going to bedfan.com or calling area code 210-632-8280. I'm getting up in the cowbell. And ladies and gentlemen, I guess we are back, Doc. Okay, I didn't recognize that one winding down, Mark. But you know, one thing that we did kind of skip over there thanks to, we were reminded about you guys, you know, metal finish. And before you put a finish on, I've told you this before, Mark, you know, when we talked about paint and guns. Over there to where Granny keeps the stuff she uses to clean that leather chair that grandpa used to own, you know, owned it all his life and she's kept it so well. And get some of those mineral spirits that she uses to clean the hard scuffs and the heavy things off of that leather before she seals it up again. And take that mineral spirits and clean that. What you're going to do is you're going to help all of the existing oils that are in the barrel and then you don't want to take the mineral spirits to the interior of the barrel. Let's make that clear. Anything, any surface that you're going to apply paint to, you want it as clean as possible. So you take that mineral spirits and you clean it, you wipe it down and you wipe it down again and you let it evaporate into the air. And as was suggested, you might want to get you some Gibbs oil and oil to gun down if you're going to paint it with an oil based paint like, oh, you know, oh, I got to do this, Mark, like Rust-Oleum. You know, they make Rust-Oleum from, have you ever seen a fish rust? You know, if you're going to do this, you need to probably use an oil bed. Hey, you can get that Gibbs oil to run on the inter- Right. In this case, the one cool thing is building these rifles up. If nothing else, let's put it this way. I think I should qualify something. I just made a nice little sniper rifle for way, way under $100. You see how that works? The more ammunition that I buy the happier I will be because I can become more proficient But I'm just putting this out there so that if you needed a rifle you need to tuck away because most people are going man I'm not gonna bury my or I'm not gonna put my my thousand two hundred dollar fill in the blank You know in somebody else's place, okay? Well, you don't have to do what I just described Pick something up build it up and put that at the other end. How's that sound? You can keep your favorite whatever it is over your shoulder or nearby so it's over your shoulder when the time comes. But if you ended up cut away from or stuck away from the situation where you were planning on picking everything up and you had to run down the road, shall we say, we call it bare naked, in reality you got your car, you got your family, you grabbed some equipment but you weren't able to get back to where you needed to to pick up your primaries. When you go to your second location you have the ability to tool up immediately and you're not out anything. The other advantage is if you show up and then you have other personnel that you're incorporating, guess what? You have a pretty decent system to hand over to people who can participate then in the security of your facility, you know, to protect your family, your troops, your whatever, fill in the blank. Another thing is these are auxiliary arms. By taking and having auxiliary arms in place, we can free up primary weapons for battlefield operations. Think about it people who are on their base of operations say facilities safe houses underground complexes that are set up for you know concealment locations that are isolated could actually be armed up with secondary weapons that are still more than lethal enough to do the job but that frees up many other arms that are class a combat arms to be fielded by troops who will take the fight to the enemy There we go. That's how our military has thought forever people. The only time we throw things away is when we get these goof bean counters in place and they want to squander your money and put you into debt. That's right and or the ones that are coming up the next batch of traders whichever dictator it is they choose now There is one step I could eliminate is most of the things I picked up you could completely ignore and if all else fails you picked up a 7.35 carcano for $30 you go over and brag grab a bunch of ammo as long as it's got iron sights It's still serviceable go to step. Let's see go to the final steps over to the paint shop or to wherever you need to to pick up the finish oils you want if you want to tongue oil it or linseed oil the stock because it's raw or just tired and guess what you're done and then remember Gibbs on everything see how that works now we've done this many many many many many many many many many many many many times notice how many times I said that so many I can't count them there's a reason I've thought for a while here and I know we're getting close to top the arbor but one thing that's true there's a whole bunch of receivers laying around out there for bolt guns Also, there are the bolts, there's the extractors, there's the ejectors, everything you need. If you picked a certain rifle like a 6.5 Jap, an Arasaka, the only thing you might want to do is you could actually have somebody make a barrel for you like Douglas and have an Arasaka threaded barrel built in 3030 Winchester. Why did I say that? Well, 6.5 jabs not real common, but let's say you have a receiver laying there on the table with no paperwork you can get for 10, 15, or 20 dollars. It's got a ground lotus. Okay, it's got the imperial crest ground down so its value is reduced. Still they aren't making any more. I'm sure all of them are collector's items, but we're looking at building up a quick rifle. You can get a chopped up or busted Arisaka stock or a Sport-A-Rise stock, usually laying face down or butt up. in a box usually by somebody's table or laying there with a stack of wood they got. So you can find the stock, you can do all the other things we were talking about for the butt plate, you know, go to the dollar boxes again and the only thing is you're going to have to have a, you're going to spend some money on a custom barrel, but you know what? You're looking at basically matching up, because remember 6.5 JAP and 7.7 JAP is semi-rimmed. So the base as long as whatever caliber whatever chambering you choose matches the base and will fit to the extractor Which is the only consideration guess what you can build that rifle up on whatever caliber you want that will match up that can be a Semi, you know like a semi common civilian caliber Pick something that's out there reason I brought up 3030 is think about it 3030 is everywhere May not be the fanciest rifle in the world, but it'll be a magazine-fed 30 caliber rifle that can be scoped and become a tack driver for intermediate and short-range use. It will work just fine. This is how you can think things through. You next gun show coming up. Do a little experiment. Do it in your mind if nothing else. Go over to a guy's table. Pick something out like one of those receivers he's got laying there. Then walk through the show and see how long would take for you to go through junk boxes to find everything if you decide real quick It can be done. There's a way you can find a Liberty rifle without spending a whole lot of money guys See how that works while you're standing at that bin looking at like used Optics like scopes daylight scope, you know how even a trained person when you run up like 20 25 power You have to be really the target. Otherwise, any little motion just zooms you by the target. The point here is, you know, the other end of the scale. If you see that four power and that nine power for the same price, take that four power because a novice with that on top of the gun will gain the target much and that could be the difference. Bring the gun to bear on the target much quicker with the four power with a gun that's probably only going to work out to about 100, 120 yards, you know, generally anyway. By what I mean is the bigger guns will play working at farther distances, you know, but a novice, even when you put a nine power on top of something and it might take him a moment to gain the target, to be able to adjust the cross. The field of vision is much wider, making it that much easier, bringing the gun to bear that. And again, one of the things that guys, you know, all the stuff we're talking about, notice we didn't say go by the very, we're talking about what can I do with a hundred dollars and make it count. With optics that are available somebody bought a scope their dad used it on his rifle and they decided they want to put the latest greatest fill-in-the-blank on it and the scope that dad bought was a gray a grade above the rest in 1972 1985 1993 and It's not a bad scope as long as it meets the criteria that Don you just mentioned Who cares what year it was made or how it looks provided. It's well made. It's built Well, the other option is to go cheap Chinese And then, like I've said, you know the more you buy, the cheaper they are. So if you're going to buy one, and they'll give you three for a better price, why not buy three? That way if one breaks, because you know it will. I'm just telling you flat out, it will. It's not an if, it's just a when with the Chinese stuff. Well that's okay, because guess what? There's another one in a little Pelican case, a little mini Pelican case you got from Walmart, that the next one's sitting in, or the other two are sitting in. Bet you've already got zeroed. Yeah, think about it. You don't even have to take them to, you know, it just... goes in the piece of tape marking the rear or front piece of uh... and that's where you can the saddle tighten down the caps and it's already zeroed to a hundred yards or whatever you give me a little rifle like that and i'll have anything that i want to use later plus i might not change from that weapon because it's performing well and it serves its purpose well we're at the top of the hour and i know we've only got four shopping days until they decide what dictator is going to be used to destroy america This is the Intel report buy more ammunition pick up more weapons square off everything cross the T's dot the I's We're heading to war people and to do that. Well guess what we plan on winning it also God bless the Republic We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the Empire is on the run and those half-inch rifles Don we can make them sing can't we they'll never know what it'll. 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