Mark Koernke and Don discussed weapons, preparedness, and tactical self-defense on Weapons Wednesday, September 10, 2008. The show covered firearm selection (Saiga rifles and shotguns), magazine capacity, ammunition stacking, cover versus concealment, and tank engagement tactics. Caller Greg from Florida detailed his experience being forcibly removed from a Republican National Convention viewing party, arrested, and involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility after protesting alleged child abuse by local sheriff's department and Department of Children and Families. Greg described attempts to drug him, contaminated water bottles, and harassment while detained. Mark and Greg discussed patterns of government persecution targeting activists and the failure of legal systems to address corruption.
I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked him through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. in home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free, in home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Both sons of the republic arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, preserve our great republic and each god given right, and pray to god to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke he vanished in the midst of whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep, and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, to dill the land of the free? Uh oh, I'm having some really strange stuff in the background. A lot of strange stuff. It could be a broadcast for somewhere else I don't know where it came from. Gentlemen, this is the afternoon intelligence report, maybe. One day closer to Victor, after all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories. Southwest, north, and east. Gentlemen, you are listening to us on. We the people of Radio Network, Wtprn.com, that's We the people at Radio Network, Wtprn.com. We're also on the Liberty Tree Radio dot 4mg.com and we're on AM&FM micro stations, C stations and ultra net technologies east and west of the Mississippi and also southern and central Alaska. I also have to make an announcement that node 6 offline. So don't panic. People are probably picking up via the alternate. The alternate node, that node is offline guys just to be safe. It was a maintenance project to expand a particular element of that web. It will be off for two days but what I understand is don't panic, just switch over to the alternate again. Okay. Anyway, Don, today's date is... Faster, faster, faster, he's approaching faster, faster. Oh, well, okay, it was a little fumble, but that's over. Even if the mag weren't in, one nice thing about the 45, no magazine safety. At least you got one round to put right into a point blank, right? Come on, always remember that. Try to time it out right, too. I know it means you got to think a little bit, but remember, if you can leave one in the tube, you don't have to actually rack the system. You drop the expended mag and throw the other one in to fill the magazine well and still have a round, you know, ready to roll. But again, typically, if you're using your pistol, you're using it to the max, and you're going to feel that slide go kachunk and lock to the rear, and you're going to see it, it's going to be a physical confirmation, it's time to change magazines. And then of course, it's just drop her in, and well, Mr. Browning had a wonderful idea of very large slide release. It's very easy to operate in many, many different conditions. So the .45 is very conducive to quick, and easy, boom, she's doing her job again. Generally, one you hear fall into the chamber, you might find another one right behind it in the top of the magazine, another hollow point, and then you might find a couple of hollow points in the rest, you know, full metal jackets. There's a reason for that, for, but you can do the same thing with your wheel gun. You can alternate, you know, hollow point, a wadcutter, or you want into one cylinder, and then, you know, the different parameters way is we've talked about, you know, in the one you don't see comes to one that hits you the hardest, and if your first Might be the only one you get the most steady aim with, might be the only one where he hasn't recognized you as a threat. You know, things like that happen. The third and fourth ones might be full metal. Why? Because people might be looking in your direction now and they might be, you know, like hiding behind the fender of a car. My favorite is like, you see them stick there through the wall. Remember, it's drywall on this side and it's drywall on that side. Well, most of your rounds going through aren't going to get slowed down a whole lot. Now if it's structures like we build, you'll find that there's quarter inch steel plate, steel mesh, there's all kinds of fun stuff we do that we've been doing because we've been in construction for a long time, or cement blocks with sand filled in them. But when it comes to conventional construction, people don't think that way. And so again, barriers really aren't many cases. Cover concealment are two different worlds and remember it may cover you and be concealment but concealment is not. You've heard that phrase many times under cover and we need to expound us. Concealment will hide you from your being behind a heavy bush or having three strands of grass in front of your eyes so it covers what you can see but doesn't cover anything else. Oh wait, that's not cover. Cover is going to protect you and is sending your way. That's been greatly confused. In fact, friendly and unfriendly fire is most dangerous at that time because there is no such thing as. Here again, the whole idea is to think, and this is what your opponent will be doing, is thinking of taking cover in some way. No, the basic rule, any cover is better than nothing. Been an argument for years, you know, guys dropping down. Lola's a small tree. Yeah, I know. Well, you know the bullet might go straight through it, maybe it won't, but at least you got something in front of you. And if that's all you got, otherwise, how many of you were trained in, for instance, open defense? Say, where you're trying to For years we were taught to actually armor slash put a panel of Kevlar. We would cannibalize flak vests because most people didn't have threat level two and second chance armor was outrageous. So what we do is we carve two or three back panels off of a later model flak vest and make internal panels with a shock plate inside a briefcase. Now think about where you might use that. If you're walking along and you're part of an entourage or part of a team or a group and you're moving, you remember the bad guys like to catch you when you're traveling. And this may sound strange, but in reality it actually does work. Remember that like a little bit of a shield, if you have to get to the ground, stabilize yourself by using the briefcase for cover and use it as a stabilizing platform to return fire. Now, you got to remember, typically everybody is aiming a tad high. Now granted, professionals are doing a better job of aiming low into the target and coming up into it. However, remember, that piece of Kevlar and that piece of sheet metal, actually we used titanium which we carved in the corners and rounded, and what we would do is it was great, low grade, usually seconds on the titanium only because again you got to be able to afford it guys. But what we would do is come up with a security panel in the briefcase carried spare magazines, extra weapons, extra ammunition. And of course, hopefully it wasn't going to take a hit, but if it did, well, better the briefcase than you. You know what I mean? This technique, now another rule to this is you don't spread any... You can imagine real quick, anybody who's been under fire knows this, you get really small, you learn to get really small and really short, real fast, or you don't live long. Well, when you're using a briefcase or using another object like that for cover, suck it all in, bring it in tight. Why? Well, because you're trying to make yourself the smallest target possible. That's right. Now again, it's a lateral shot. Somebody would say, well, if you're prone, you might get hit laterally. Hey, if you're standing up, you're probably going to get hit because you're making one hell of a man-sized silhouette. Okay. So keep in mind to take, we got a joke that was, we were giving a class this weekend. And one of the things that I pointed out is, and this is true, especially with direct fire when you're hunting tanks. Tanks can't fire around corners people. Now they will shoot through a corner if they decide it ain't very stable. But, you know, for instance, in rolling terrain, what you want to do is pick your terrain so that when you fire, you can drop into cover that puts material between you and the tank. Now, not being able... this is what we had to emphasize. Not being able to see the tank does not mean that you are protected. Okay, in other words, putting your hands over your eyes. I think kissing your head and then goodbye is not a good choice, okay? Instead, the idea is to get Earth, real estate, of any type between you and whatever is a direct fire weapon when they're trying to employ it. The one nice thing about any tank weapons is that you can engage at a shorter range with probable, high probable hit and good penetration against armor that still, you know, it's within their arc of potential. In other words, they can depress to a certain degree they probably will depress your target area but the nature of the main round that they're probably load that they've loaded it's actually a up pencil or a dark look at that way over a hundred and twenty millimeter pencil or dark but it's still uh... nothing more than can look away gonna go straight through and beyond and if it's got an h e round it's usually sure would be short and it's not going to do the many good uh... again you've hit them and they've reacted if you haven't hit hard enough They've not neutralized you with regard to your aggression against the tank. And another thing is with tank operations is we work in Hunter killer teams. This means combination strikes. It also means hitting them from obliques and weird angles odd angles as we might describe so that you wouldn't perceive it to be the norm for a battlefield. In other words, you people depict this head-on confrontation when in reality in armor the idea is to hit them from odd or dead angles where they don't have the first opportunity to return fire even though they work in 100 killer teams and they have supporting infantry. Remember tanks work with tanks. The idea is to rate the infantry or break the infantry away in whatever method you prefer, and there's many techniques we discussed. The whole point is that even if it's down to one-on-one man-to-man dueling, so to speak, in individual fire, cover first if you're taken unaware. But even as you're doing it, that's why, as Don pointed out, Don, your magazine is built so that your first shots, first contact, will probably do the most damage when they hit. that's what that's all about stacking so the impact into the intelligent process people think well first report just bullets no it's not you actually have quite a rate a bouquet or quite a uh... a wide array of munitions to choose from when it comes to being an infantryman and again i will repeat Your handgun, although you may have to implement it as an offensive weapon if you're short weapons and you spread them out, if you're using the pistol, they've gotten pretty darn close, chances are, and of course it's typically the case, people don't want to get that close. So they're going to try to get into cover and there's going to be a little bit of a match going on between to see who is the better pistol marksman or rifleman under close quarter situations. We're going to be back in a few minutes here. 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Wait, let's bring him into the battery. How are you, Greg? No, we got him there because he just called in. Yeah, we got you Greg. Sometimes this happened. Takes a second. We hear a few technical difficulties, but remember, this is live radio and that happens. So I know Greg's out there and he can show up anytime he thinks he's up with us. Cause we got Greg from Florida and real quick, uh, since we might have a moment, one of the things I'm going to mention again, it's weapons Wednesday. And I mentioned this beginning of the week. Guys, if you got the Sega rifles and shotguns when they were reasonably priced, you're doing a great job. In fact, all of you have done a great job anyway. Whatever you've chosen, you're on the right path. You know, Mark doesn't tell you to do certain things, but when they start getting stupid and outrageous with the prices, then they're not worth picking up. Okay, right now the Sega 12-gauge shotguns, we're looking $450, $530 for a shotgun that you were paying half that much for less than what, three, four months ago? six months ago. Now, I'm sorry guys, it's a beautiful shotgun, but it's not a $530 shotgun. Not one is made on an AK frame and is made minimal, okay? The AK is one of the least expensive, and the AK systems are some of the least expensive to produce on the planet because of production. So now we're looking at a greed factor here. So if you got the Sega 12 gauge, or the 20 gauge of the 410, hey, get more mags while you still can, hold off for a bit because this is getting the stupid range. The other thing is there are some Sega 223 rifles out there. If it's a choice between the Sega 16 inch and the Sega 20.4 inch in 223, grab the 20 inch. More barrel, 4 inches worth of barrel, makes a big difficulty. I don't want shorter. I don't want to be equal to my enemy. I want to exceed the potential of my enemy. I want to zero on my target. Look at it this way, with four more inches of barrel, you get a little more oomph, don't you Don? That's 25% increase, guys, over 16 inches. What you're looking at here is a situation where, again, it's a tech-driving rifle to begin with. Conjure, everybody, thanks. The AK is not inferior with regard to performance. That is a wrong attitude. uh... purely the biggest problem with european systems has been their citing system their citing concepts just as the k ninety eight in uh... for in all of its configurations had the barley corn and post site with no windage adjustment all the a k proceeds with european policy of the simple citing system now doesn't mean it's inaccurate even under those conditions however if you add uh... citing system to the rifle you'll find that they are tack drivers and actually perform better than the air fifteen Oh, I know I got some teeth rattling on that one, but there have been more than enough demonstrated tests taking a standard AK off the shelf and making it work to show that it can beat them, okay? So the Sega 223, beautiful rifle, it's another option, it's an AK action, means it works much better in many cases under bad conditions. However, I don't want to hear about you spending five and six hundred dollars on something like that, okay? If you did, don't worry, it's okay, you got it, you just stick with it, get another one or get something comparable for less. But in a .223 knot, shall we say, the .223 niche, that particular notch is covered by the Sega .223 rifles, they're about .320, some a little less, some a little more, but get the longer barrel if you can. Same in the .308. Now, I know that you're looking at spending more money to get the longer barrel. In reality, that's the one area where it's worth it. with regard to spending more money in this case with a, you know, 60 inches opposed to .8 inch chrome line. Well, you're looking at a poor man's dragon off for $200 less put in .308-762x51 NATO. Okay? However, another thing, a lot of people have talked about, and I've gone to all these websites, and I want to thank everybody for showing me some of the cool stuff, but here's the thing. Don't spend the equivalent to the cost of your rifle to try and make your Sega look like an AK. Why? Okay, it is a beautiful rifle as is it has a C type stock if you get the Sega 223 It's got the Zytel Dragunov stock now, too. That's another option. That's fine If you got that you're you know, just run with it and don't change it However, if you have the C stock system and what I mean by a C stock is that it comes right out of the back of the receiver like an M1 Garand and M14 Your 1903 Springfield your K98 Mauser Well guys, it will work just fine in that configuration. In fact, you're cross-training to a degree so that while you're using the Sega AK, you could also quickly jump over and you'll be fairly comfortable and familiar with the M14, the M1 Garand, the M1 Carbine. Works better for inter-training when it comes time to switch from one firearm to the next. So it's not a problem. If it's already in that configuration, I would rather see you buy, rather than buy, you know, $200 or $300 worth of replacement stocks, 1 by $200 worth of magazines. Magazines. Well, how many magazines you need? What have I said before? I'll say it again. As many as you can afford. In this day and age, guys, you don't know what's going to get cut off. And magazines are a plus plus thing to have lots and lots of spares. Better to have, well, there is no such thing as too many. Better to have a lot than a few. Okay. Now, do we have Greg there? Oh, we might have lost Greg. But, Mark, Greg, we're getting close to the, um, bottom of the hour, but we're not going to, I don't want you to call for anything. You're just going to stay right there. Okay, real quick, we wanted to give everybody a timeline. Let's lay the groundwork for what's coming here. Explain to everybody what happened to you when you went to the Republican meeting in your county, which was supposed to watch the Republican National Convention, by what I understand. Okay. Well, what happened was that I made reservations to go to the Republican Party when McCain would give us speech and there's around 600 people and as I went into the party I went on the table. I was with also Kathy Corey who's with Justice for Kids, Cal Vaster who's running in district 55 here in Pinellas County and also Brian Pitts who works with the legislature up in Tallahassee and then we were sitting at a table. I got into convention when I came I had to get a name tag They had a name tag and it was printed out and then they would take it and pull it off the printout and then they would put that on your name tag. You'd put it around your head. It was like a name tag that would go over your neck. So I went into the convention and it was just jammed back. There was about 600 people. If you've ever been to a political convention, it was... You know, there's a lot of food, you know, there's liquor, a lot of activities going on, and people just talking and intermingling among themselves. And so I went in there and I was sitting at the table, me and Kathy and this other couple. There's also other people at the table. And I noticed a guy standing at the table there, just on the corner, just looking right there, just staring right at us, staring right at me. And I just whispered over to Kathy, I said, Kathy, I said, Am I just seeing things or this guy just standing here just looking at us? He's standing there looking there and I just, I looked over and I start a couple other things. He walks around the table and he puts his head right between my face and Kathy Corey's face and he says, are you talking about me? And I just, I looked at him and I said, well, did you hear me say anything about you? And he said, yes, I heard you say something about me. I said, well, then I guess you heard us talking about you. 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Go to hydrofreedom.com to learn more. That's www.hydrofreedom.com. Lighting the fires of liberty with your host, Michael Fadnarik from 7am to 9am central Monday through Friday only on We The People Radio Network. You guys were back the intelligence report, you know Mark and Don and that's Poker Face. Go to pokerface.com and get something. We have Greg from Florida. Greg. Okay, well what it is is you need to understand this is the way I am and like the day before this program I was standing out in front of the sheriff's department, walking back and forth and from other windows, and these are the signs that I wrote up. One says, Sheriff Coach and Bernie McCabe running a molestation ring, watch FreeOurKids.com. The other line says, the other sign, these are big white cardboard signs I buy and I make them up, says, Sheriff Coach terrorizing children and families, FreeOurKids.com. Now I stand, this is in front of the doors as people are walking into the sheriff's department. When I first started this, they sent out three sheriff officers, came out there and said, started to tell me I had to leave. I said, no, I don't have to leave. I said, you show me the ordinance or you show me the law that tells me I can't stand out in front of this public place with my sign. And again, so the game started when they came out in the uniform, in this military talking down to you, these commando voices. And I think, listen, anything, I'm not going to hear that along with anything else. And so what happens is he said, well, you wait here and I'll go get the ordinance or whatever. I waited 20 minutes. I went inside the sheriff's department, waited some more time. He came out. He said, we don't have any laws or ordinance. So you can go back out there with your signs. And then I asked him first card. I wanted his card. So I went back out there and I marched up and down in front of that sheriff's office so everybody can see these guys. I know what they're doing. I work with them in the juvenile justice board. And so this is why they're, this is why they're so, I could use the term so pissed off at me and they're so mad at me because I know what these guys are doing to children and families and so what happens is just like today, I'm out there, I go in there changing shifts between 3, 3.30 and 4 o'clock. I'm out there with my sign and also people coming in and out of the sheriff's department. And I was going, as I was walking back and forth in front of the sheriff's office, holding my sign up to all the people who work in those offices and those windows could see them, I was thinking it's too bad that we could, this couldn't start a patriot movement because this case that I have and these other parents have. See, it's hard for parents who have been broken emotionally, financially. Everything's stripped from art form. They get up and fight because it's like something that I've just made it my mind that I'm not going to allow them to take my four children from me. Already done. There's no more they can do. And so when I was at that Republican convention, Jim coach knows by the forms, the open form that we've had in our debate running for sheriff, I got three more coming up. I just got another one today. where I'm called as a candidate and before an open forum where they'll have people come in, television cameras, and I just tear them up. I tell them, listen, this man is a criminal. He is a criminal of the worst kind. And I give him the documentation. I give him the evidence, lay out the facts. I said, listen, after this meeting, I've got paperwork. You want to see the history of this guy? And he's sitting right there. And this guy, I mean, what can you do? And so what happens is I'm not going to back down. I told the man, listen, I gave him the false police report. Your officers have filed to take my kids. You either give me my kids back and the guy doesn't pay no attention to it because I know they got stuff on him. Pretty much the whole Department of Children and Families is run by a lesbian movement, a lesbian and homosexuals. I mean, all of them, once you see them, they're all lesbians and homosexuals. So either they went in, it's like me, I've been separated from my wife two and a half years. Can you imagine if I was to tell you how many times these young girls come knocking on my door? Knock, knock, knock. I go to open door. Young girls standing out there could be in her probably 17. But I know they're gonna send someone over age, it's gonna be underage, which they look like they're older, showing her muscles. And says, can I use your telephone? And I look, I say, excuse me? Can I use your telephone? I said, why do you want to use my telephone? She said, well, I need to use the telephone to make a phone call. I said, well, I said, you might have to go ask one of the other neighbors, but no, you can't use my telephone. I hurry up and lock the door and lock it because I know what they're doing. See, they're trying to find a way that they can get me to justify what they have done because they've come across somebody who's clean. They don't have nothing on me or my wife. And so these people are terrorists. They're terrorizing people, they're terrorizing children, and what they do is they look at your history. That's why this is how we deal. Maybe you guys discuss the issue how it's like when the police pull us over here in Florida, this is what I tell everybody. If they ask for your name or your driver's license or any of your ID if you're walking down the street, you ask them, am I free to go? That's all you ask them, am I free to go? If he tells you no, you ask them, am I under arrest? And if you're under arrest, then you ask them to read you your Miranda rights and keep your mouth shut. Because they're doing an illegal search and seizure. If they can find anything in your past history, they can use that in order to justify what they want to do. Are you guys there? We're letting you talk. Remember, this is something that we have covered extensively over the years. Okay. And it's something that, real quick, hold on here. One thing I'm going to qualify for our listeners. We're discussing this for the last five years. six days and we have been watching things run in cycles and there are two things that they've done and this is why I wanted you to come back Greg is number one I just want you to cover the timeline that with what just happened as far as what happened you know in general we're gonna get to get into that more in depth and we still have other things we had to cover today but I want everybody to pay attention because I have seen this now three times In 1987-88 they started this BS across the whole of the country with people in general and this is where we really saw it and it's not the first time by the way. But this is back when we had a massive number of people said well we gotta come up with a solution. We're gonna use the system. I always love that one. Use the system. Okay well we are and we did. And so what they did is they then attacked individuals, they grabbed them and they chemically lobotomized them. It was not that they were stupid, and it's not that they were crazy, it's that they were thinking, terrified. And this is why, I know you're throwing out a lot of stuff for a reason, because most people are thinking, well, why is he so upset, or why would he be so flustered? Okay, let's have somebody grab your children and run with them, and then throw them into the hands of a bunch of faggots. And let's see how unflustered you get. Okay, that's the problem I have now. So I'm just qualifying this guy for a reason because there's a lot of times where people fail to understand and people say well It'll take time or well, it's gonna meanwhile what's happening those children and can you replace and this is my biggest problem with why I personally feel this is weapons Wednesday and this is why we are buying our arms and this is why we're arming and training better because there is a point where they simply will not listen the perverts are so deep into the system and The faggots slash quadriplegic homosexual Eskimos are so deep into the system that they permeate it like a leeching festering wound. Disgusting to say the least, they are all through the mechanism and there's a whole bunch of people that are either profiting through direct benefits slash money or payoffs and bribes. And there's other people that don't know what to do that would like to turn and plug both the buggers, both the one taking the payoff and the son of a bugger that's doing what's going on. We have to reach those people to a degree and remind them that there are a lot of good people out there. But I also need to remind everybody that we can't wait. We've had this happen in cycles intentionally and it has destroyed or damaged people for indefinite periods of time. You can never recover the time away from the children. You can never recover fully from what it is they've tried to do to you. Let me ask you, real quick here, most people heard when you had you up the other day, Your wife had this where they chemically, they grabbed her and then chem'd her up, didn't they? That's right. Did she ever fully recover from that? Well, what was so sad is that when she remembers it, I mean, she's so upset, it's almost like, it's hard to conceive because she refused to take their drugs. They strapped her down on a table. And when I went to see her at Pem, she was laying in a room, it looked like a cell, on a table, her ankles were strapped, her wrists were strapped, and a sheet over her body, she didn't even know, she was just laying there like in a morgue, looked like she was in a morgue. Then when I came back the next day, she couldn't sit up, slobber was running out of her mouth, she didn't even know who she was, I never seen her in such a condition in my life. And what happens is that, I mean this went on for like three weeks. I mean, it's like, it was totally, I mean, one minute I'm talking to her on the phone, she's at the jail. And then after that, they wouldn't let, it's like I scheduled to come visit her at the jail for three days, she was at the jail, then she ends up at Penn. And she told me she just woke up, she woke up at Penn. They wanted to give her some, they wanted her to take some medication, she refused to take it, then they strapped her down and gave her the shot. And then after that, it was like she was in La La Land until, I mean, and I ended up getting in a, it was, and I had to go through the court system. They wanted to hold her for six months. And then of course they did. They would have, they would have virtually killed her. Oh yeah. Of course they did. And you know what? A great deal of restraint is something that we need to kind of cut off from because when these, these goons proceed in this way, it comes a point of time at which perhaps it's time to just send them to the sharks. Okay, now we're going to continue this. We read in a minute. We got about three here with a break. You got down in markets. Weapons Wednesday buy more ammo. We'll be back in a minute. Are gasoline and diesel vehicle eating away your personal business finances? Stupid question, right? 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You're at the meeting, you have the characters of course trying to muscle you doing the old storm and puff up routine. Go from there and explain what happens step by step but let's move the timeline up faster. Let's go. Okay, so what happens is they came around me told me they were trespassing. First they brought in this young lady from the Hilton and she was like a puppet. The lady would whisper in her ear and she would say with the officer, they weren't officers, I come to find out that they worked with the sheriff's department and they were all at this party. And so what happens is she says to the girl that worked here, whispers in her ear and the girl says to me, I'm asking you to leave. And so I said to her, why are you asking me to leave? So the lady standing next to her whisper in her ear says, I'm going to have you trespass. I said to her then, why are you going to have me trespass? So the officer leans in their ear tower, if you don't leave I'm going to have you trespass. I said to her again, I said on what grounds are you going to have me trespass? I'm a guest here, I've been and so forth and so and then after that they just, the guys came in, one guy behind me, two of them on the side and started moving me out, trying to move me out through the crowd. and I'm trying to do it without causing a big disturbance. I should have started screaming at that point or made a big, started something. And so what happened is one guy was pushing me in the back, two of them had their hands under my arm and just had me real tight like they're trying to break my arms off my shoulders and get me out of there. And so I was giving them a little bit of resistance. We got out in the hallway, since we got in the hallway, that's where they started to get rough. because then we were out from the crowd, nobody could see us then. Then they started their rough hand techniques of slamming my head up against the wall, putting the thumb, getting my hands up on the wall, spreading my legs, and so forth. So at that point, then marched me out the back door, went to my pockets, went through my personal stuff. I had a notepad in my pocket and a pen where I keep notes and just write down dates and phone numbers if I need somebody or whatever just to my memory a little bit. And so what happens is they went through that pad and read all my phone numbers, all the information I had in there, went through my pocket and I wasn't handcuffed at that time but they had my hands up on a picnic table, my legs put apart, sheriff's car pull up and when the sheriff car came up then they handcuffed me, threw me in the car. I sat there and waited and they were out there talking. And so they took me from there to the sheriff's department and they took me directly to the psychiatric unit. And I was in the psychiatric unit and I refused at that point to... First of all, they wanted me to sign paperwork. When I got in there, when I went before the... In the booking section, they give you a medical examination. They fingerprinted me, checked me for chat tattoos. I don't have any tattoos or anything along that line. And this scan on the eyes. I went out and sat some more and then I went in to see a doctor, an intake doctor, and they asked you a bunch of questions. I said, I'm not answering any of your questions. I'm not signing any of your papers. And I'm not cooperating with anything. So what happens is at that point, it took me to a put me in these jump outfits they have. And then I went into the cell and told them, listen, I'm going on a fast in the form of a protest. This is what you're doing to me and my family. And I told them I'm not going to eat. And so what happens, I was there until probably about two o'clock. And they shipped me from there over to PIMS. And that's where they wanted to drug me, was at PIMS. The psych ward there, I don't believe they do the drugs. like they do at Pem's Pems is more of a real restraint place where they have when they strap you down and they just they force you on the drugs and so what happens is when I went before the doctors in there I mean I would literally we would get in discussions back and forth and I knew Dr. Cruz though he was the same one he's a guy from I don't know where I tried to find out what whether he was a Muslim or what he was dark-skinned couldn't speak very little English and I was asking him you know what his beliefs were I told him I told him I have Jodale Christian beliefs. And so basically they're just asking questions. And I was challenged to them through the whole thing. I'm not going to submit to this. And I'm going to challenge them psychologically. And I can stand my ground with these guys. And that's where I'm going to stand. I mean, you're not going to have some kooky doctor. I said, listen, you got a bachelor's of art. Or you might not have a master's in art. But this isn't a science. I can evaluate you as well as you evaluate me. Well, let's back up here real quick because beyond that, they didn't dope you up, okay? So we don't need to be as far as them going back and forth. The one thing they're waiting to do is either A, you mentioned the other day that before you got over into the site, told you you had high blood pressure and tried to give you some pills there, didn't they? Right. You want to make sure you keep that in the timeline because you see, you might recall, didn't you mention that your wife had the same problem? She was in mock-up. Exactly. medicated somehow there next thing wakes up over in the uh... we want to land okay right right do not forget that when you are reinforcing this and passing information on no i think it's going to look like a woman of the thing is from the very beginning to hear the people who are no right now people going well he should have done it first of all where you're what your name in the invitation list to be printed out It sure was. Your name was already pre-registered, wasn't it? Yes, it was. So nobody was ignorant about the fact you were going to be there, were they? No. In fact, just to reverse, it is most likely that they, and this is where people make the mistake, oh, well give them the benefit of, they're counting on you giving the bad guys the benefit of the doubt, and they've done this for decades, if not, if not the last century. The only doubt I have is that the whole thing was planned from the beginning, their potlicking bottom-feeding scum, And what they did is, first of all, you had every, well, actually, they expected you to be there. You registered in a peaceable manner, etc., etc. They created the conflict intentionally. The old puff brain there did his little muscle routine so that he could try to intimidate, etc., which again, everybody gets off work sometimes, you know what I mean? So I don't remember that in the long run. But anyway, point is that you were there by invitation. but you were there by invitation initially. And that's why, again, you have your right to ask questions. Again, they printed out your name, they gave you a name card, yada yada yada, so there wasn't any mystery there. And it's not like you tried to bust through the door or that you snuck in the back way or whatever. This was known far in advance as with all the other parties who would be present there. Now, beyond going back and forth with a booknut of, you know, a drawer full of, you know, Eventually, you decide you're not cooperating, so you ended up not being doped up. Didn't take any food, didn't take anything from them, right? Well, this is a couple things that happened that I found. My pastor, B.D. Bent, brought me a six-pack of water that was in cellophane that was already, it's like how it's real tight on a six-pack. And so I told him, I said, I want to take these out. If the paper was so tight on it, you couldn't get them out without taking them out and you could slide them out. So the girl goes back and I told her, I said, bring it out to me where I can open it. She doesn't do it. She brings me out a water container. She brings me out the water container. I said, ma'am, I said, I asked you. I wanted to take it out myself. She opened it up, took it out. When I went to unscrew that, you could unscrew the top. And when you unscrew them, you can hear them pop and tap. All of them were brushed off, but two little ones on the back and I twisted the top off. I leaned it back and it was still connected on the back, but the top was still, so that one was open. So I gave that one back to her. I said, no, you take this one back, bring me back the container. And the container was still had the, um, the Saran Wrap. It was like real tight on it. It was a tight plastic when you buy them in six packs. And then I was able to tear that open, get another one out. And I could, when I went down to open it, I could watch every single one of those things pop. So what happened is, now that was the second time that happened. The first time, before anyone brought me in any water, they gave me a water container, a bottled water, and half the water was out, and they put a cup on the top of it and said, here's some bottled water for you, cold bottled water. Can you imagine them giving me a container with half the water in it, put a cup on the top of it, and said, here's some cold bottled water we had in the refrigerator for you. And so I just took it to the room. poured it down the drain and I just waited. Then Kathy Corey brought me in some organic stuff also to drink. So that's basically how it works. I refused. When they seen that I was not going to eat their food and I wasn't going to drink anything they gave me, they would come into midnight. Now they didn't know I poured that water out. There was four guys in a cell. One of the guys said to me, something's up. I mean, if they would come in at 2.30 in the morning, come over to my bed, and start talking to me. They'd wake me up. I mean, I knew when they were coming through there, they'd start talking and say, hey, Mr. Pound, what's going on? I'd say, I'm trying to sleep. See you soon. What happened to the- We're at the top of the hour, Greg. Hold on a second there. I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're going to bring you over into the next hour a little bit. I was hoping to get this all out this hour, make sure everything was squared away. We may have calls next hour. It is weapons Wednesday. It is, by the way, the 10th of September, guys. One more day to the anniversary of September 11. Pay attention there. As always, God bless the Republic. Did you read this? Chicago just became the murder capital of America. I don't understand. It's been a felony to have a gun since 95. I thought that was supposed to prevent murders. I'd increase them. Criminals will always find a way to get guns, while the rest of us are just left defenseless. Chicago authorities have seized over 75,000 firearms since 1995. And now, Chicago's murder rate is twice as high as New York City. Tonight, while you're asleep, criminals will be at work. Not in Kennesaw, Georgia. In 1982, our city passed a law requiring every household to have a gun. 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