September 3, 2008
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Mark Koernke and co-host Darryl discussed firearms maintenance and selection on Weapons Wednesday, focusing extensively on the M1 carbine's history, performance, and modern ammunition developments by Corbon. The show covered carbine variants including Plainfield and Universal models, emphasized proper maintenance procedures like gas tube cleaning and piston wrench use, and recommended suppliers like Sarco for parts. The second half shifted to shotgun analysis, comparing the Mossberg 500, Maverick, Remington 870, and Model 37, with detailed discussion of ergonomics, reliability, parts availability, and budget options including Chinese pump shotguns available for $75-100.
- m1 carbine
- corbon ammunition
- plainfield carbine
- universal carbine
- sarco
- gas tube maintenance
- mossberg 500
- remington 870
- shotgun reliability
- weapons maintenance
- firearms parts
- preparedness
- pump shotgun
- model 37
- maverick shotgun
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I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave, in this, the land of the free. in home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free, in home of the brave. You vie permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number and you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the midst of whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given right, we only watched him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave to dill the land of the free? This is the second hour of the afternoon intelligence report on the country. I'm a closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on behind the lines in occupied territory, south, southwest, southeast. We're also on the Liberty Tree Radio, mg.com. There's stations, AIM and FM Microstations, CB Base Station. That, I wasn't paying attention. On September the, uh, state today. One of the things I want to touch on, and this is simply because it's a weapon that there are a lot of out there. You're going to run into them. Uh, they've been considered more and more a collection. But there are a lot of M1 carbines out there that are not collector's items per se, but they are being collected. I mean, actually, I can't say it. Everything is a collector's item if you want. But Plainfield carbines, for instance, which were aftermarket carbines made with mill parts, military parts, used to be pretty inexpensive. Now, that's not the case, because a lot of people have been mimicking them up or dressing them up the rest of the way to turn them into US World War II kareepa lookalikes. That's common. And it's not a bad thing. That's cool. But universal carbenes, which were an aftermarket kind of carbean made in Hallea, Florida, are another example. They're out there, they're laying around, US military carbenes are everywhere, Grandpa brought one back, your uncle might have brought one back. People bought them all through the 80s, 90s, and even today, and now there's new manufactured versions made. And the overall performance of the carbean itself in its regular configuration is very positive. It's easily operated, easy to understand. Most everybody likes it and enjoys it. And Darryl, that seems to be the experience across our lightweight, virtually no recoil. And they're fairly accurate, 200 yards. Put some within the reasonable weapons range. What's interesting is Simple Magazine, fairly small, 15 round. But smaller than a pack of cigarettes, which means, well, how many packs of cigarettes can you fit in all your pockets on your person? If you put a mag here and put a mag there. These magazines were even less in size in a box, you know, about 20 feet. The dimension, I mean a little less, you shouldn't think about how you can put them in front pockets. You can put them in your back pocket, side pockets, popcorn pockets. Still have lots of mag pouches, carrying plenty more. They did make military and civilian 30 round mags. The militaries were pretty weft or market from places unknown in some cases. Quality varied. The machine rounders, they work first time. Every time we've had dozens and dozens of companies that made the M1 carbine magazines during World War II, so much so that we ran off the next couple wars like Korea and Vietnam with the M1 carbine in tow. And even for all the carbines consumed in, you know, for instance Korea during the war years there, considering how many carbines were consumed across the whole period through Vietnam War, still held up pretty well. There's a lot of them in the system in one form or another. A wave of them came in in the late 80s and also in the early 90s. And these were foreign military carvings that we had issued out. They were American made. Any configuration from straight stocks to pop-millium, two-type stocks to everything else in between. A combination of parts because those governments are more worried about keeping them running than worrying about how they looked or whether or not they were consistent. There were many variations on the firearm out there. They were brought back into the US and there were many configurations and sold accordingly. Well, the $100 cutter pretty much doesn't mean there aren't some out there, but you're going to have to be careful. And even if it was nothing more than a universal carbine right now, the idea is the universal can actually be cleaned up a bit, tweaked here and there, and it will function well enough to get the job done. It's not a bad weapon, but the big change now is Corbon. Darryl Corbon, is now producing a 30 caliber carbine with their DPX bullet. And this particular bullet had tremendous penetration but also very good energy delivery against soft tissue. It penetrates in the standard core bond bullet that was being used in 2.3, 15 inches of, well, so many layers of denim of gelatin, of ballistic gelatin. But here's what's interesting. With the new car being load by Corbonne, it will penetrate 17 inches of ballistic gelatin. Think about that. A smaller cartridge, although with a heavier bullet, penetrating two inches more than the very old rifle-categoried M16 round. Think two inches more penetration, also more energy delivered against the target. It's an impressive little load. This brings the, this is the first significant change. ammunition for the carbine quite some time so core bonds you are b o n if you get a chance uh... check them out but you will find the new loads available through the companies if not the parent me itself we're probably have some guess up this next week week and a half and i think we'll see if we get a couple people from core bond sit down here in the program and uh... go over the technology and explain to everybody well is available now doesn't mean you have to you know digest that load uh... which a little more expensive constantly through your fire arm for training with the military ball ammunition is for you take that for the range you train with that when you're done you upload the case reset the primer obviously and you've got yourself another round for training when the time comes basic performance should be the same as a standard factory load and in operating a small factory so keep that in mind now the carbines even come in stainless there were enough you have those treat those very well because they're few and far between now. And as we've discussed, a lot of people are looking at shipboard armaments, in other words, stuff you want for boats or for private yachts, et cetera, because you operate not just in international waters, but also like in the Great Lakes here. Well, guess what? Stainless solution. The carbine comes in stainless, the Mini-14. The even magazine's available to match up in stainless to go along with all the other stainless weapons that you're carrying. So this is not a bad idea. And the carbine is pretty lightweight. And as you will correct, target after you look at if grandpa passed on a carbine to you or if you've already got them on the shelf, don't think about getting rid of them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You keep those on the shelf. You build up all the accumulated components that are needed to support it to include magazines, cleaning kits, proper slings, whole nine yards, the whole shebang, and then put it on the shelf as an auxiliary weapon. If you're thinking you want something else, go buy something else but hang on to what you got. You're not going to get enough. You know, because there's always a sliding skill there with regard to trying to sell something. I mean, you're not going to get enough unless you find the right collector, etc. Keep the weapon in the inventory and just keep adding to them. The carbines complement, the gran and many other firearms give you a nice combined arms team. And even though we have conditioned everybody to SKS as an A case, the M1 carbine fit that. And it's just the SKS carbine did. I want to kind of show that in a future video I've got everything pretty well mapped out for that but just the idea that you know what people expect to see we are carrying everything anything we got that put will put around downrange is going to be put in service for your M1 carbine tool now Sarco used to have those for a pretty good price Sarco of New Jersey SAR CO Sarco dot com I'm pretty sure that's the web address for them right now Sarco S-A-C I'm sorry S-A-O S-A-R-C-O, sorry, oh there we go, Mark, spell it right, slightly to the microphone. S-A-R-C-O is the spelling, something we've been around for many years, specializing in weapons parts. They've bought tonnage over a period of time. You have to call them, you tell them what it is you need the parts for, and they'll make recommendations to find a solution because they are gonna wanna know what kind of carbine is it. Is it a military, is it a plane for the universal? You know, so they can see universal carbines and the duration as they've been put. hard issue to deal with but you got to keep in mind and you know on that note real quick with universals they had some interesting ideas some neat ideas that were innovative and different but it didn't really become none of these features became selling features in the rifle in and of itself typically it was the inexpensive price of the universals that made people turn to them and think and wouldn't be a bad rifle to have on the shelf the biggest problem is that there are more things can go wrong with the design in some cases and a lot of the parts were stamped steel of a machine, you know, from an individual piece of steel, regard to one of the odds and ends aftermarket trinkets for many of these firearms. But if you perform some tender loving care, make sure you check everything from the fuel system to the carburetor system or to the rifle like this. Make sure that everything is done upright before that flash weapon takes off. The Iver Johnson made it. Oh yes, both universal and playing field produced that too, yes. See when we come back real quick we're going to cover the enforcer family of light car beans, sludge pistol, and this intel report you got Darrell and Mark back in about three minutes here on We the People Radio Network. of the 3 million plus edible food plants that grow on earth no other single plant can compare with the nutritional value of the powdered seeds and oil of the hemp plant. At HempUSA.org we ship worldwide these nutritional products with free shipping to the US and Canada. At HempUSA.org we want to educate our listeners that edible hemp is not marijuana and is certified THC free. Our powder is 50% protein and does not contain gluten. Gluten impairs the cells from absorbing nutrients. 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They were traded to foreign countries, figurations for lending, and bring in the weapons and they had this car beans and they sold them off. Not like our country, which destroys stuff by the billions. Most of them I saw were very fine quality weapons. Barrels were all an excellent exported if you want to call them. I don't know if them were re-finished. I mean it was done as an arsenal thing so that they would bring them back up and online to a spec. Then again the countries overseas were using them as tools. So they didn't worry about a whole lot of changes and stuff. They just kept it basic didn't they? Like that they just kept it based down to the... That was really cool because A lot of you may run into spare parts or will run into, again, the basic armourer's tools. Gas tapet wrench is really critical because of all the things. I've had carvings I've bought for years. Dozens and dozens and dozens and I mean stock and lo and behold, we're part of the piston group. This carbon buildup and this stuff is gummy and sticky and guess what? The weapon only works so far and then it goes kind of no-ticky-no-washy. Well, what you have to do, there are two things. If it's really, really bad, maybe scored, chipped, or hit it in some way. Because of corrosive ammo you may have to take piston out. Well, that's where you need the piston wrench. At the very least you break out your choke, you know, and carb cleaner. Give that tap of a real healthy dose. Wipe it out, move it out, wipe it out, move it around, wipe it out, whatever the debris. And then once you've got it all cleaned off, then that form it's on. If it's secured in whatever way, then same situation. You want to make sure that if you're going to use it away from a vehicle or away from however you've got the things set up, that you do the basic maintenance across the used to function properly and gas maintenance, gas tube maintenance is critical. That little tap it in there is going to make it or break it when it comes to semi-auto fire. Now it doesn't mean it won't work. It just becomes a real sophisticated bolt action weapon, doesn't it, Darrell? Yeah, unfortunately. It's a white recoil. Again, you'd like to be able to just pull the trigger and focus on the target. But remember that it takes only so many hundreds of rounds and the gas system will start to follow if you're not careful. Other reasons for this by the way too is that there was a lot of French ammo that showed up in the 70s. The French and the like every country in the world make carbine ammo just like they made all of the other basic mimics three-family weapons system the BA carbine and the M1 Garand. Now there's other weapons that fell in the country during the period especially into the 60s carbine and not from the west even Central and South America amazingly enough. So the carbine is still popular down there. There are many, many of them that are still lingering down in the Central and South America districts and in Africa. Doesn't mean they've all been shot out. Doesn't mean they've all been thrown out. But the thing is, the ones that we're running into, you want to go through them top to bottom. Should everything squirt away. I would say the same thing with the transporter, you know, especially when depending on how you have them set up with ammo cans or, you know, transport cans or if you get your carbine set up in a specific You know yoke or cradle that you take into consideration if it's gonna sit in something like that for transport Guys, it's getting exposed to the weather. You might want to add a little more lubricant plot But just make sure the surface areas that are exposed properly permeated with oil so that you don't have to worry about breakdown of the cloth material inside Regarding the vehicle itself. There's you know oil is always an issue slopping around or getting around it messes things up It gets big it becomes a problem You've got to make sure you do just enough lubrication and maintenance on the weapon to make it serviceable Not enough that you're you know re oiling the vehicle And you when the time comes okay in if you get enough oil on your vehicle You don't ever have to worry about it rest down. That's true You won't have too much maintenance on it either so I in fact I have a couple friends that one just left a little bit ago They fully believes in that as he said grease it or oil it it won't rust and it's true It won't but then every time you want to work on something better bring some rad back when I was in the military if it moved, you literally painted it. where key contact with two components comes together. That's the only thing that's critical about it. If it doesn't look pretty on the surface, just like you said, Darryl, paint it, or you can lube the heck out of it so that it settles that problem. But again, better a carbine that is looking kind of tired and a little brown all over with some holes in the buttstock than a sharp stick in her language. Know what I mean? Getting back to the piston wrench, there's another reason why you need the piston. Pick the weapon that heats up. And I want to close the action that solutions. We aren't just lamenting about the problems, we also have to deal with the solutions. And, Sarco, S-A-R-C-O out of New Jersey is one of the several companies that has the gas maintenance tools for the carbine. They actually, in some cases, have light armors kits that were built by the DOD just for the carbine for that reason. You might want to take advantage of those. If you've got a number of carbines, let's say you've got a Brace 5, like for your 5-10 program, If you've got five carbines on the shelf, I would get the armors tools. And I'd also start looking for a spare firing pin, extractor and ejector for each firearm. That should be policy anyway. Now if you do that, there is another tool. There is a extractor that's made that is a completely machined piece of equipment made for the armors for World War II, Korea, and into Vietnam. They run about $22 a piece sometimes less sometimes more if you see them grab them put them on the shelf It's one of those many tools you're gonna want doesn't mean you can't do it otherwise But if they made it for an armor then chances are there was a reason So kind of like rather reinventing the wheel follow the instructions. I want to me Tell you what we'll be back. We got Daryl. This is mark Intel report weapons Wednesday back in about three minutes. 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All it is is the 500 revisited again and the Mossberg 500, even though it is a Maverick shotgun. The cool thing is that both these weapons are, although they do have some alloy parts instead of all steel, they are more than serviceable. They're combat worthy. The DOD has purchased say some of these systems at some time. Mossberg when it came out was like a lot of other like, you know, and let's see, what would the equivalent to that be? Savage arms with their bolt actions. Remember for years they slumbered back in way deep in third place for a long time. And then all of a sudden with with savage arms, somebody finally looked at their bolt action rifle, which they had had for decades and said, wait a minute, why don't we change the style of more sophisticated bear. go with a little heavier scope on it and all of a sudden they had one of the premier counter sniper rifles on the market. All with an existing action and by the way the Savage rifle, the Savage bolt gun that everybody's so excited about was originally a Remington design and when Remington went to their new family of rifles sold the tooling and the design to Savage because Savage was looking for a bolt actual to market. Ain't that special? So Remington kind of gave Savage the weapon that eventually, it didn't happen right away, in fact for quite some time, like I said, Savage kind of slumbered back in the shadows, but when they came out with the new configured rifle, oh my goodness, they sold like hotcakes. Well, the same is true, happened with Mossberg. Mossberg was kind of always there in the wings. They made a number of different shotguns and then they kind of leaned towards the 500 in a prototype model. that was sent out there, you know, for limited sales and they couldn't get enough of them. I mean, they went, oh, we got something to sell here. And so lo and behold, they made it a standard, made a standard pretend the rest is history. Osberg has actually been giving Remington and Winchester quite a run for their money for a long time now. And the 500 is pretty reliable and pretty easy to maintain, isn't it, Darrell? Yes, one complaint that I have with it, that's the, in place, as the basic design goes, uh... i'm not mistaken there's a design for the five hundred key also came i'm not saying you have a total situations where uh... mermaid to his men's worst enemy yeah totally because again they've i mean i know what they're doing that he's designed and they've done this before and many companies have by the way i mean think about it the uh... you know brownie were on the soldiers designed how many countries not all of them in the long run friendly with us okay it has happened before but in this case of the five hundred uh... With extended model, there's a trench gun model, there's a military slash marine model, all of them, I like the marine model. So trench gun models have the bayonet fixture on it. We'll think that the bayonet on the shotgun are on most firearms, for defense, simply because better to have a sharp pointy thing on the end of the weapon than that simply that muzzle laying there. If something you really do have a sharp pointy stick that, you know, pokes somebody with to keep them back for a bit, does help, okay? And there are some situations where you just can't get the thing around and use it the way you All that else fails, you cross-barm, turn that smiling face into a mouthful of chiclets, and then once you have dummed the cross-stroke, then you can turn around on either butt stroke and then butt stroke again. Then when you sweep, you sweep with the blade and one last stick and then on to another target. It's kind of nice to have that fixture in place there. It's one of those things that it goes back to World War One and there was a use for it because you are firing a lot of rounds. And you can put more metal to pull the calories out. That's a good thing. Guns, it's not the design, but still, good idea. Gave it a little more strength. With the new Mosberg, that might be actually a desirable thing. Otherwise, the next step was, beyond the Mosberg, was to see that Maverick came about. And that came about in a unique way, didn't it? out Mossberg started him up to make the...Berg in itself was making burrows for Remington. And they couldn't keep up with the production demands for both the Remington and Mossberg. So they started up the Maverick factory and it also gave a chance to the 500. If I remember right, the Mossberg 500, one of the key improvements that they made on the slide, has won. back into the action, pushes the bolt back, you can replace that with a slide from Mossberg 500 by just taking off the one slide that they have on there. Everything will work just how parts lay in there, a shattered Mossberg 500, but with usable slide and you had a shattered maverick that needed a slide, a little modification and you would have at least one functioning firearm within a very short period of time, would you? Yeah, the other thing that was different from the The S-500 has the safety up on the top and the Maverick had it behind the trigger, the Remington 870. Oh no, there's a Remington name again. Wait a minute. Now there's an advantage. Now one thing I will point out, this is something about ergonomics, that when we're looking at a brace of five guns or five or ten rifles, to have rifles that have similar configurations or shotguns, with similar configurations for both the pump, the safety, any releases, you know, slide releases, etc. That's a good thing because if one person is trained on one firearm but they switch to another, even if it might be a slightly, like a totally different manufacturer, if the basic components are in the same place, this is a good thing because It means that there's less thinking process involved as opposed to automatic response and action when it comes to operating the firearm. If you have to stop and think, you know, you're, you know, like for instance, you're, you pull the trigger and you think it has an auto release for the bolt and you realize, no, wait a minute, this is one of those, oh, other brands. And you have to think which one it is because you actually have to hit the slide release, work the action, bring the weapon back to battery and Kaboom and then work the release, move the action, in other words, one more step. Model 37, as we've mentioned, it's one of my favorites as far as, you know, shotguns go. The earlier models and the mid period production models all have what we call the FANR 500 kind of trigger. And like the old west, you can sit there, pull the trigger, and as long as you work the action, when she comes forward, you're gonna get a slam fire. But it works, it functions. as quickly as you can work the action you get yourself five rounds. Kind of like the old cowboy gun, you know, you remember they bring it to the hip and then use the hold the trigger and pop pop. It was a desirable feature because again, with the trench guns, you're looking at a situation where you may be using the weapon, you know, especially with multiple contacts. And more important is that it's at such close range that, trust me, if you jerk a little bit, it ain't gonna make a whole lot of difference between 9 and 11 feet. The idea is when he hit center of mass, move on to the next target, or then move on to the next target. In trench warfare, especially, everything was close quarters. That's where the term stormtrooper came from. The Germans using the fixed bayonets and the K-98 would throw the old potato mashers in. By the way, those were shock and awe weapons. Oh, that's right. They were offensive grenades. An offensive grenade has a smaller burst radius so that when you throw it ahead of you, it doesn't get you when it hits the bad guys, people you're thrown at. Defensive grenades, typically what we make of the US, have a much larger burst radius than the ones that we apply for that mission. And so it's a good idea to take cover because you might not throw it quite far enough. Okay? 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You know, don't don't don't don't, that name that keeps dropping up. 870 Remington is boasted to be the most reliable 12 gauge pump shotgun ever built. uh... in fact for looking at all of the uh... you know variations and malfunctions are things that go wrong with the world with the weapon with a shotgun the ronnie ken is the most user-friendly with regard to not family you a lot of departments really when they would of course this was promoted one into buying the weapons with the number of years the age seventy was pretty much all you're gonna find everybody's inventory will on the old somebody start talking everybody in the bind all the checkers is great for the firearms industry but master reliability for the department say learned otherwise as they went to the 870 along with the 1100 Remington in the semi-auto. The 1100 is semi-auto, the 870 is the pump. Both of these are two of the most reliable shotguns available on the market. The only issue would be price. Still actually quite reasonable for the 870. I wouldn't even, in fact, it's really, if you had a, man I know, I'm not talking down your Mossbergs, but I'll be quite honest. If I had a Mossberg 870 sitting there for about $10 difference, I would recommend buying the 870. You can always come back and get that Mosberg later. Okay, but the 870s, if you're reasonably priced, if they're on sale, one cool thing, yes, they are heavier because they are all steel. But one nice thing is there's millions of barrels. There's, for instance, bowl assemblies with everything on board, extended reasonably priced, shop shop inventories, that kind of thing. Buy the little police departments, buy, you know, groups, agencies, whatever. And the 870s out there in force. so that does make it a plus plus gun. Now, I will say again what I said before, if you have a Mosberg 500 and you're using it right now, don't think, oh my goodness, Mark says he likes the 870, go sell it. No, no, no, no, no. Take the Mosberg and put it in a reserve station somewhere and then go buy an 870. Don't get rid, you know, guns are for buying, not for selling. That's not how it works anymore, people. If you already have that weapon, take advantage of the fact that you've accumulated the arm. Now, progressively build up your reserve funds and go out and buy the next one. But 870s can be actually put together in pieces even. I have found a few companies out there that are actually selling like the receivers, most of the internals, and then progressively you can get spare barrels. You can get all kinds of other good stuff. I mean, whatever you can imagine for it. There's all kinds of stock configuration sets and their barrel extension, I'm sorry, magazine extensions, all kinds of stuff. purely a matter of flavor. What do you want to turn into? It's kind of like an Air 15. Mosberg does the same thing to a degree. I just lean towards, you know, like I said, the 870. I'll put the Model 37 right there parallel with that, and then the Mosberg, eh, just a little air buff, but not much. A lot of people are chomping at me for that, I'm sure, even as I'm saying them from, again, in the Mosberg is a fine shot, especially using the weapons and carrying them. The 870 is just a fine, sweet action. The Model 37, well, you want a poor man submachine gun to fan a door? Get a rear guard action? Guess what? You have to come. We'll do the number and do it right. They're at 1,100. Care a part there, be patient. One of the things everybody said, well, how can we do that? You walk through the shows and you use your eyes and you educate yourself. One of the little tricks there is you even ask the guys if you got a guy at a gun show that's got his own table and he's not an FFL dealer and he's just got it because he's there for the fun of it because he has guns he's putting together or that he likes to sell or he wants to trade. Guess what? If you ask him, hey you got any Winchester parts? Well as a matter of fact, yeah, I got a little can right there or a little tray right there. Those are all Remington parts or those are Winchester parts or those are Mossberg parts. Well, you got anything for 1100? Well, yeah, let me look here. And what you do is you bring along your parts list with your schematic and everything, and you start shopping. And what you do, if you just take a little highlighter, and every time you get another part, you bring along a little handful of sandwich bags, what you do is you take that part, put it into one of those dollar store sandwich bags. There's, you know, like you get 100 for, you know, a dollar or whatever it is, or two boxes of 100 for a dollar. I think you can afford to do this. A bag, put the part in the Ziploc bag, put it in your pocket. Now, if you walk down to the table and a guy's got a whole bunch more in there and you're like, screws, nuts, bolts, cross pins, springs, and they're like 10 cents or 50 cents or two for, you know, two for a dollar, however you prices them up, well, guess what? Buy some more, because shares are a good thing. Extras are nice. And then you can eventually look for the barrel of your choice. Seabers are laying around. Bolts are laying around. I'm just, I can't get back to many parts to these shotguns to begin with. Ain't that hard to figure out, people. Now you want to get simple on the stocks? Hey, go to choke. Yeah, as I tell nylon, there's tons of them laying around. You can find used ones, you can find new ones, you can get types. They're out there so you don't have to reinvent the wheel on that. You just buy the whole stock assembly, kaboom. You buy the foregrip and everything, kaboom, already done, ready to go, bingo, bingo. And the advantage is that off the shelf, you can make yourself a pretty fine firearm and nobody has to know where it came from and where it's going. See how that is? So again, patience is the key. Now you're doing this while you're buying your other bridging firearms. In other words, wow, look at that. There's an entire kit with this and that and the other. Well, the receiver's missing a bolt. Now you check to make sure the thing's embalmed, or beat on, or bent, or whatever. Use a little common sense and use your eyeballs. But as long as all the screws, thread, and everything looks like it's working, then you take that parts weapon, put it off to the side, and now you make a checklist of what you need to put it up and online. and you go through the show and you don't go, man, I'm gonna go spend myself $100 to do this. If you're patient looking around between, like, the Red Revolution companies like Sarco, Sarco has all kinds of stuff. Anything you can think of is at Sarco. And I mean anything in the way of firearms. J&G sales, any of these other companies, even Center Fire Systems has spare parts, has pieces or stuff that they've collected. There are other surplus companies like that that are out there. Well, take advantage of them. Do a little bit of shopping here do a little bit of shopping there. You'd be amazed how co-op or red tip wonderful situation Anyway, 1100 870 those are up at the at the other at the other end No, I know guys there's Bernelli. There's spines of other toys. You know what the biggest problem there I notice I didn't go in that range because chances are you can't afford them. I'm not saying you can't afford them I'm just saying it's chances are you're gonna go whoa sticker shock shocked and then there is the spectrum of Yep, exactly. Once the things, you're not going to be able to import right through the inventory. Now again, I mentioned Stevens. Well, Stevens model says Stevens model 66. There's a Stevens model 60, you know, the 67. Um, they're pump guns. There's also gas guns out there. Even Mossberg makes a gas gun, by the way, a semi-auto like the 1100. Not as popular, but it works. They've had some, you know, they've had some pretty, uh, admirable accounts that have been made for with regard to that firearms design it's out there uh... but again just look looking at the packing order you guys forget to sign eleven hundred and gas guns semi-auto probably one of the best out there period all the eight seventy model thirty seven model five hundred now they're qualified at eight seventy remington model thirty seven if the car the 500 Mosberg, those are the three basic crown jewels right now with regard to affordable, versatile shotguns. Now there's one last thing before we go, we only got a minute here, Darrell. China's bringing in pump shotguns. They're not expensive, nope, they're not pretty, and it's one of the few things the Chinese are still bringing in. You can find these all black, five shot, standard, riot barrel 20 inch, pump shotguns for $75 to $100 apiece brand new at places like Dunham's Sporting Goods. Now, if they're all gone, it's probably because you all bought them up. Now, are they going to be common for parts? No. Are they going to work? Yes. And if they work for only so far and then they break, oh well, then you put them off of the shelf on the shelf until you can either find spares or make them yourself. But for $75, that's a pretty reasonable boom gun, isn't it? That's right. This is also where you pick up the scavenged, the enemy's weapon once you take the amount of the picture. That's right. Then you give that $75 shotgun to the next guy and he gets his AK-74 or his M4 rifle. That's how it works. Well, we are at the top of the second hour. Weapons Wednesday is coming to an end. Hopefully, we gave you some ideas and painted a picture of, you know, what all is out there, at least in certain categories. 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