Live 365 If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, is to still the land of the free and home? evening intelligence report. I'm Mark Cornke and I'm Donald Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, southwest, east, and central. Ladies and gentlemen, you aren't leading to us on libertytreeradio.4mg.com. We're also on LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com. It is also possible to find us on AM&FM microstations, CB base stations, and ultra-net technologies both east and west of the Mississippi and Alaska. clock in the eastern portion of the continent. That's daylight time. And of course, beautiful day. It looked like it was going to rain here in our end of Michigan. We got a little dripling in the beginning of the day, very minimal. And then the rest was history. I mean, other than that, we just had a regular old work day here that wouldn't quit. Got a lot of stuff done, preparation for the ranges, some of the impact and barrier work that we'll be using on and off over the next three months. Let's see, ghillie suits, worked on a couple of those guys. Gas masks, I got another three more basically sorted and cleaned just to make sure that everything is up to snuff with them and spare parts in the bags, a whole nine yards. So I guess I'm going to ask again, what did you do today to prepare for what's coming? Every day you can do a little bit. Every day, like I said, vote with your wallet. Go to the hardware, go to the gun shop, go to your local Kmart, your Wal-Mart, Wally World slash also Myers and buy a box of ammunition if that's all I can order. Pick the cheapest stuff on the shelf and buy it. That is the way to vote with your wallet. We continue to upgrade and arm better and progressively distribute our ammunition inventories. A lot of you are getting into reloading. We had Dave Moore on yesterday. And again, a good follow up from Butter Knife this hour by the way, Don. We know that the lead presses are out there and available for the 50 caliber now. And that means guys, under $200 for a press you could use for the 50. It's a big old press. That's typically what you'd have to expect. It's got to be a strong press. And no, it's not multi-station. You have to set the dies for each step. That's what they're for. But for under $200 you got everything below the $50 plus there's an adapter in the kit so you can load other cartridges with the same press which is a good thing. I'm glad that they thought that through because some companies I understand committed to $50 or large bore only and don't accommodate for other options just in case. Remember that might be the only press you have in service for some reason or the only one you can access. So being able to adapt it down to other calibers is critical. Again, every machine has more than one purpose that way. That's a nice idea too. Multifaceted. Again, reloading is critical right now. We do have a number of companies out there that are doing special work. has bullets, primer, powder, they have technical data loading information. We need to find out more about that. And again, always check whatever you're getting in the way of written information. Check it page by page to make sure that it's complete. You're doing a bit of a proofreading for the people that are building the material, especially if it's being reproduced. And by doing this, we're able to ensure that a quality or a standard in quality are maintained is the issue. So you're part of the proofreading crew too on top of everything else. Another thing with reloading is always save the old stuff. Technical data, I don't care what it is, you never know where you're going to find that one time. You may end up with a rifle or a whole cache of rifles that, wow, I didn't even know they made this. Well, I better check the loading books. You might have a handful of brass for one and maybe a couple hundred rounds for the other that will soon be shot brass. A lot of people when they collected older weapons had a tendency to collect the dies and all the other tools that needed to go with those dies to support the rifle if they were really into it. So if you run into a little treasure trove like that, it may be older but it will still serve just as well as it did 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 years ago. You just have to understand its advantages and its limitations. One thing's for certain, you don't want to break up a set like that when you come across it. Oh no. It's almost exactly a self-contained self-defense. On that note, it's really weird. There's some oddball calibers that most people like. 30 Remington and 32 Remington Auto. It's a semi-auto rifle cartridge, predates the 308 NATO. It was out there in the 20s and 30s and was built in both an auto loading rifle and a bolt rifle. Now, they're rare cartridges today. I want to tell you flat out, if you've got a loaded 30 Remington or 32 Remington, they are not all that common or laying around. Here's another little reason that I know so much about those cartridges. It's one of the few commercial cartridges that has the same base dimensions as the 7.62x39 Russian round. Wow! It's the only one really out there that was made in any numbers on our side of the water. But the problem down is this. We were actually building 6.2 by 39 blanks. And we were looking for brass back in the 80s for trainers because we were using AK47s for ones. And we needed blanks. So we were trying to match up and build our own blanks. That was improvise, adapt, and overcome. Well, we found the brass and we found the right dimensions, but the problem is it was as much of a collector's item as it was anything else. So we didn't squander very much of that. Once we found it, we turned around and sold it so we could buy all kinds of other good things. Someone else didn't have to look and was willing to pay for that advantage. Oh, they were very happy when they didn't believe that, oh yeah, I got 300 rounds of 30 Remington brass and an ammo can outside. No you don't. I said, oh yes I do. No you don't. I said, oh yes I do. I said, by the way, I really respect price for it. I got the price I asked to be quite honest. But here's another thing. 303 Savage. It's another caliber, so I'm going, hey, Grandpa's one of those. Or Grandpa gave me one of those. Or Dad gave me one of those. The 303 Savage used to be pretty common. And obviously it was playing off of the proliferation of 303 British bullets that were out there. What happened is it kind of faded off, but there's a whole bunch of savage levers, bolts, and semis that were built in that 303 Savage. So you've got to remember that that's a caliber. It might be good to have the loading data laying around for, number one. And number two is In addition to loading data, it would be a good idea to perhaps have certain powders and maybe a bit of the brass laying around in advance so you can start experimenting with loading. Not just simply doing it as you, you know, catch a can and we'll guess at it, Don. That's not a good thing to do when you have the opportunity and you have the machinery. Take advantage of all of the above, make them work for you. Okay? Now, other calibers, well they are too numerous to mention. There are a bunch of oddball military calibers that were popular 30 years ago because Surplus was available. They have become harder to get, but they are still out there. That is where another company, Amaleman.com, comes in, but many others do this too. A lot of people look at the basic calibers and the basic sheet ads up there with the pictures and everything. However, if you look at the top of the webpage for Amaleman.com, you'll notice a bunch of fine print with a whole bunch of calibers listed. All kinds of chambering stuff you've never heard of in many cases. Well, the cool thing is, if they list it, chances are they have it. Yee-haw! So if you've got a 6.5 swedish rifle, which by the way a whole bunch of those came in and those are tack drivers, back in the 90s a bunch of them came in reasonably priced, guess what, you can still get ammo. And by the way, Norma made 6.5x55, that's high end, Lapua did too. But also, you'll find that for instance, PMC of Korea, they made 6.5x55. So, again, look around guys, each of these little odd countries out there that was building ammo actually got into some of the more exotic rounds to try and tweak the market that way. And the cool thing about the brass from PMC is that it's all reloadable. Boxer primed, non-corrosive, heat annealed case, it's to mill spec. When you start talking about 6.5, it makes me wonder about a lot of guys came home from the Pacific with those Japanese bulk guns. 6.5, weren't they? Or were they 6.2? At the time when the 6.5 suite came out, there were probably about 11 or 12 major militaries that had 6.5 caliber rifles in one form or another. 6.5 Carcano, 6.5 Jap. 6.5 Dutch, 6.5 Swedish, you had a 6.5 Mauser cartridge. Well, I've seen a number of the Japanese rifles over the years, you know. I was wondering about how available the ammunition is for them. Less and less surplus, and so we got to turn to the reloading bench if you're going to shoot those rifles. But here's the thing about the Arasaka, I know there are people who make comments, but you know what, that was an incredibly strong action. It was not a Japanese action by the way, it was actually a combination of a Lee knockoff of a rifle, a Lee variant that was developed before the turn of 1900, the last century. And what happened is, you'll notice that a lot of what the Japanese did had extreme British influence. Well, that's because the British were selling just about everything to them, Don, including rifle action designs. So the Arasaka, what they did is they looked at it and said, oh, OK, well, we're going to adapt this. We like that. The palm safety was very popular. That's something they chose because of the nature of how they could apply energy. And it became a very successful rifle. I wouldn't want to get shot with it. I know a lot of people who did. And most people underestimate the action. It is very strong and can handle pretty much any rifle cartridge out there you can want to put on it barrel wise. While 6.5 is kind of off the wall, there are a bunch of troubled Japanese 6.5 receivers out there that got chopped up or got ground on a little bit or they're not pretty. Not many people are going to rebuild them, although they are World War II souvenirs nonetheless. But if you wanted to build up a unique action, You could have somebody make you a six or say a barrel in whatever chambering you want that would be semi-rimmed. Example, this sounds weird, but you could actually do the Arasaka in 30-30 Winchester. Wow. Which would be cool because it's a short cartridge. It's very common. I would be picking and building right now based upon very, very common existing cartridges. Oh yes. You could take an Arasaka, have them do you a 30-30 chamber barrel, bow barrel is what I do. And I could build up that Arasaka action so you'd swear to God I was hitting you with a .308 sniper rifle by the time we're done. You can modify it. Now here's the thing, I'm going to qualify this first of all. Do not, if you are loading lever action rifles, do not use spire tipped ammunition, pointed ammunition. Why? Well, because it kind of bumps up against the primer in front of it, you know, kind of like a whole bunch of cars getting in one accident. If you have a straight magazine it wouldn't be a problem, but most of the lever actions like the Marlins and the Winchester's have a tubular magazine and the point of that bullet rests on the primer in front of it. Now, when you fire, what happens is the magazine spring compresses and then comes back very sharply. And what you might have is a whole string of firecrackers if you think you're going to load up that kind of a bullet in that kind of rifle. So that's one of the reasons those .30-30 bullets are so flat in the front end, if you've noticed. There's a reason for that. They were thinking that through. It was originally lead, and of course they went to jacketed soft point, etc., etc. Now... When you lead that over to jacketed soft point, you know, at intermediate range, that's a good way to impart energy into the target, isn't it? That's right. Now the one thing, even though I would have to be very cautious of this, if I had a bolt action 30-30 and I were reloading, as long as I am not going to confuse the ammunition with a lever action, which is always an iffy question because you don't know if someone is going to look at someone and go, ah, 30-30, grab it and throw it in their rifle. But if you were going to use this, if I would have made up an air socket tack driver, I could buy the receiver for anywhere from $35 to $45 with no papers at the gun show. You can have a Douglas barrel made for about $65 to $85. Douglas, you can have it done in whatever length and whatever weight you want. There are many other barrel companies. You don't have to take Douglas. I'm just giving you one. Douglas Barrel is still out there. They've been making barrels for 30, 40 years. Actually 40 years. This is the year 2008. At least 40 years. Guys, I think they know how to make barrels. Don't you think, Don? Probably. Now we have ourselves, and of course you can satin finish the stock. I would linseed oil it personally, but you could also just paint it flat black or paint it to whatever non shall we say, well, like a lacquer base paint with a binder would be a good idea or sealed so that it doesn't rub off on your little paws. However, if it was not critical and you weren't worried about that, then you just repaint when the time comes and you got to wash your hands once in a while. Otherwise, you could turn the bolt, since again we're using tired parts that somebody else discarded. You can go through all the grab boxes and find all the parts you need for the Arasaka laying around. And you don't need the prettiest ones because you're not going to make it into a military Arasaka battle rifle. You're going to make yourself a homegrown tack driver that's good out to about 600 yards without any problem. Now, the 30-30 cartridge, we'd have to drop it down, but there are other cartridges you could use to reach farther. But we'll say it'll reach the same distance as the AK, but could keep nice tight groups at whatever range you choose. Now, we'll put a Weber scope mount on the scope rings on the roof, and we'll mount ourselves a whatever scope we want, but a 9 to 12 variable power, no name brand would be fine. We've put together a nice little bull barrel sniper rifle with no papers that is in a standard caliber that we can readily find ammunition for and we know exactly what went into the firearm and it could all be done off the shelf. There's an example. Now another rifle out there Don that really is underestimated is a whole bunch of old receivers laying around for them with bolts are the Steyr Straight Pole Rifles. Okay, now the Steiers are another one that guys if you want to build a rifle up from scratch and it'd be a unique weapon everybody go oh my God What happened your weapon break if you've ever seen a straight pole it it literally is what we describe you grab the bolt you don't twist and turn your pull straight back and it's basically literally, just like a shotgun. Chunk, chunk. All the action happens internally. Yep. And that again, the barrel, the caliber typically is 8 by 57 or 56 rimmed. Could be 8 by 50 rimmed if it was one of the steers from about 1892. And there were other calibers, 8 millimeter by whatever, that were serviced by the Austrians when the steer was made. Progressively, they wanted to have more powerful cartridges. Well, either way, we're not going to worry about that because typically we'll also find that the barrels have been bored on these rifles. I've seen this many times. So we're going to turn to Douglas again. We're going to torque off our original barrel. We're going to send it to Douglas. And we're going to tell them what we want it done in, again, 30, 40 Craig because the base of the cartridge, since the Austrian Steyr cartridge was a rimmed cartridge. We can go with any number of different standard rims and chamberings and we will get a desirable performance. We will get an inexpensive rifle that was originally going to be turned into a lamp. That's what they did with most of these guys. What they did is they ran a hole through the barrel and basically left the weapon in the stock. A lot of people bought them, turned around and turned them into upright lamps. Wow. Now, you know what's funny guys? It was always the same two weapons. One was a Tourney 6.5 Carcano cartridge, 6.5 load chambered tubular-fed magazine-fed weapon. The other was typically a Steyr Straight Pole, Model 1895. How do I know? I always watch for things like that. It's always fun to go, hmm, hey, same rifle. They must have bought a case of these things. So anyway, point is, the Stire is another one that's a little bit of a sleeper cartridge. You go with something in a not too hot a load, easily accessible with regard to purchasing ammo. I'd stick with the 3030 only because, guys, like 3006, there is an estate that I can go to where I can't buy 3030 ammo. See how that works? Think about it. So now, when I load it, when I do my home loads, I can come up with a custom load that will drive that up to its maximum pressures. make the weapon still fairly comfortable to shoot, bowl barrel again, and I've got myself a Steyr straight pole, magazine, man-lincher, man-lincher fed. Now that's the other thing, you're going to need stripper clips, but I've experimented and the 30-30 will fit in the stripper clips okay, will actually hold, and the magazine well will work. But even as a single shot rifle, it could be modified accordingly, and you end up with, again, no papers, tack driving, individual placement, counter sniper rifle, or a sniper rifle. depending on how you apply it. Now the only other thing you might do is, for instance with the stocks, is obviously stock mount a folding bipod. There you go, that's the rest of the tools, that's the rest of the machine, that's what's needed. You can do this with any number of other weapons if they've already been chopped up. If the stocks have already been cut, again, they have some collector's value because guys will rework the wood now, guys, you should see some of the stuff that's been done. However, typically you are going to find sporterized military rifles laying around all over the place. With a little bit of effort, they can be converted into very nice little free floated barrel. Again, most military rifles in the bolt action class that are military spec have heavy barrels to begin with. So if you are going to stick with the original caliber, pretty much if you free float the barrel from the stock. You're going to find that that weapon is going to pretty well keep whatever group you want to put into the target area depending upon the site system you use and Needless to say all the skill of the shooter down that might count for something. Yeah, yeah, so again little solutions guys Yeah, well that's one of them old bolt guns blah blah blah blah blah somebody else you know many times I'm gonna tell you something I have done this somebody said well. I don't know what I do with it. I'll take it What I'll take it you want to get rid of it. Well. Yeah, you can have it. Okay. Thank you. Bye What I'll do is take that home down. Yummy rifles I've taken home and I've actually left most of the military. French Moss Rifles. They used to be a dime a dozen. Now they're more expensive again. But for a while there was a niche where a bunch of them came in before the big wave and they were cheap, cheap, cheap. And people didn't know what to do with them. And again, the French Rifles, they're not bad weapons. I would carry a Moss Rifle in a heartbeat. They work. They're serviceable. You better understand that kind of like the Glock, you know what the safety is? None. Yeah, don't pull the trigger. But again, I turned those around, cleaned them up, redo the butt plate, and in one case with the one rifle it was a nail. Actually kind of holding a piece of leather in place. That all disappeared, put a nice little rubber recoil pad on it, re-limed seed oil, everything. Had the metal parkurized by an ally for free. And the next time the guy saw the rifle he wondered, where did you get that fine piece of machinery? And I said, why? From you, for free. And he said, no way! And I said, yes way. And the point is that with little tender loving care, just like working on a car, guys, with firearms it's the same way. If that weapon becomes your weapon, you make it the machine that you need. Yup. That's how it works. You give me a handful of chiclets. Give me 30 rounds for any rifle. And give me a few extra if you can afford them. I need to be able to sight the thing in to know where she impacts. But you give me 5 rounds for point of impact. Give me 30 rounds and I'll come back with what I need. I'll have to hunt whatever it is I'm looking for in the way of two-legged varmints, but I guarantee that I will come back with what I need. And that rifle will still perform with the other old 26, 27, or 28 rounds out of the 30 that are left. In fact, I'll start looking for more, and I would never toss a firearm like that out. You can't afford to do that either. If you can take a weapon like that and put it into a security posture to the rear with your garrison personnel, That means that another SKS, another AR-15, another M14, another 1903 Springfield, a K-98 Mauser, is freed up for combat use. See how that works? Yes. We're going to regulate the flow of our arms. I want to bring this up tonight because it's something that we kind of got into a conversation with somebody yesterday. And it really fits right in with this. Well, what good is that going to do? Kind of like the conversation Don and I had with this major years ago. He really didn't have a clue or understand where I was going with this. I said, okay, we just fought a war with the Vietnamese. Do you think they let anything go to waste? Not a thing. Yeah, you know, guys, you know, contrary to what, I know movies do this because they use the props that are presently available, but the Vietnamese guys used everything. They were using cross rifles from, you know, that the French had brought in way back when, before the French Indochina War. They had equipment that was from virtually all points of the compass. Japanese weapons, German weapons, Russian captured arms, you name it, whatever it was, it got picked up, it got carried away, it got cleaned up, and somebody found ammunition for it, or made something work for it. That was the process. That's the plan. So you need to look at your weapons inventory the same way. Don, we're right at the bottom of the hour. So I'll tell you what we're going to do. I know we are going to hear the music any second here. Before we do, give out your numbers and I want you to come back and tell everybody about Night Vision because we had a lot of requests and we want to make sure that they know how to contact you. I'm going to break Eddie. He will finish that thought up on the level side. If it's clean, if it doesn't appear to be worn out. Oh, you guys, I think we're back. The intelligence report, the conversation off the air, bled onto the air about an A-15. 700, actually. That's not a bad price. If you're looking at buying one, if it's an A-2 and it's pretty decent shape, I doubt it's worn out. I've never seen, I haven't seen a worn out A-15 ever in the time I've ever bought weapons. You'd have to really be burning some bullets through it. So if it's an armolite and it's in pretty decent shape, it may be an A1. Sounds like if it's old enough, it could be, I guess, the way to judge it is this way. Does it have a forward assist? If it has a forward assist, obviously it would be made later into the 70s. However, there are a lot of original armolites that were sold with no forward assist and that was factory standard. Keep that in mind. That was an option for many years even after it had become standard with the military. The Armillite AR-15s that were sold over the counter, say from 1964-65 on inside the US as the, you know, sporter version, typically came with no forward assist, the sandbag grips, etc., etc. Now the sandbag grips are no big deal to get rid of. I mean a lot of people did that. They took them off and put the newer rounded grips on. The difference between the sandbag and the round is the sandbag or the pyramidal type. They look triangular when you look at them head on. The later model is the one that everybody is familiar with on the M16A2 and all these other newer variants. Even if they have the shorter hand guards, it's rounded. It has the serrations on it to prevent slip on the grip. Other than that, it would just be a matter of if it's the earlier model, it will have the flip up sights, just the single night sight and the standard peep sight. If it is an A2 ArmaLite it will have the micro adjustable rear sights and maybe a flat top. As long as the finish looks good and you look inside there is no strange bends or angles to the barrel or whatever. I would say that is a good grab. Match up check check to make sure the upper receiver and lower receiver are matched up. That's another thing. It's not a problem if it's a kick gun, but it may be an armolite lower receiver and it could be another receiver from another company and somebody put the weapon together from pieces. I mean we've done that with thousands and thousands of rifles so I will not say that that's a bad issue because a lot of people built the weapons up one part of the time. Kind of like that old Johnny Cash song, remember that Cadillac. 57, 58, 59, yep. Right. It really matters what you could afford. So for 750, unless there's something really strange about it, I would say that's a good buy and if there's something that needs to be tweaked, hey for a few dollars more you can do that. But it's a go ahead and jump at it. The only question was when I was an AR-15 or an AR-10. And either way, well let's put it this way, if it was an AR-10 for 750. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy. Colt picked up the contract during the war, ArmaLite wined and so they became a contractor again, but Colt was still producing and of course is produced forever. And then of course we know that many other contracted companies built M16s during the Vietnam War across the US. We were building them right here in the Hydramatic plant in Ypsilanti, Michigan. And beautiful farm. In fact, I carried a Hydramatic for a number of years, 16A1. I will say that it never failed me and the weapon always functioned. I will say this, I never had a malfunction with that rifle. I will tell you that honestly. I'm not going to say, oh, I was lucky. The rifle was just one of those that came through the factory obviously the right day. Everything was tuned up properly. I broke the weapon and progressively as it got older. And as a Hydramatic US Military Arm, you know, US issue arm, it worked flawlessly. I could tell it when it was to my ear because of that internal spring and the special k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-it made. I knew if I had the wrong gun in a heartbeat when I pulled the trigger the first time, if it made a stranger noise than what my rifle already made. So that's what I've never gotten used to on a 15 is any gun that goes spraying when you fire it. Spinning! I expect to be going the other way. We are waiting for something to come through the stock at you at first thinking, wow, something is right there. What is it I'm hearing? I have heard that Colt did some funny things with the placement or sizes of the pins that made the upper and lower. Armalite never did any of that stuff, did they? Well, actually they did at a given point because of pressure from the government in the 70s, but that's not that common. Most people changed them out. You've got to remember instead of the push pins, you can find one with the push pins, they're priceless. The whole idea was fast maintenance. In other words, pop, pop, everything's off, disassemble, drop the bolt. Do all your quick cleaning, throw her back together, and then pop, pop, slap the pins and she's back in. The only thing is that they went with a screw fixture for the front pin. That would be the only difference. But if it's an earlier, now that's a good point. You can tell if it's an earlier armalite, for it will have the double pin system with the quick push pins. Later armalites and later colts would go to the requirements laid down by the Fed. pressure from the Fed. They really didn't have to do it, but they had been fighting them every step of the way. Well, one thing you can do, Mark, if you know when you have two different sized holes like that, and you see the advertisements for them every now and then, is you can put the smaller pin in the bigger hole, but not vice versa, with a bushed pin. and you can buy them out there every now and then. If you own ARs and play with them a lot, you might want to pick up a couple of those just to have them around in case something comes your way at a future date. You know, it's kind of like buying a little bit of insurance, but I wonder if, kind of deal. You know what I mean? Was that all about trying to diverge the design so that the select fires were incompatible with the semi-autos? Is that what that was all about? Right, to a degree because there was a wave. Think about how much stuff was carried back from Vietnam. You came to be counted. For all of their searching and most of the time they didn't, for all of their checking and most of the time they didn't, even if they wanted to, a lot of guys got bribed, they knew what to do. The guys basically explained it to me this way. You had to have three rifles if you wanted to bring one back. One to bribe the inspector and the other one to bribe the postmaster. If you had three rifles, whatever it was, you didn't make any difference what weapon it was. As long as you had three, you could pretty well get it back right to the doorstep. And a lot of people did, or at least what they did is they kept just sending back parts. Kind of like the original story line. Remember with Cash 22 with Radar? Remember every time you saw him he had a print wrapped up in newspaper or brown paper and he was shipping it home? And finally one of the guys asked him, what's he doing? Oh he figures eventually the war is going to end. He's shipping a jeep home one part at a time. Remember that? And you always seem like the one time he had the fender, the next time he had the grill and you could see that it was the grill. You know, through the paper and he had the fender and you knew it was the fender, you know. So the same thing with AR-15 parts. They were a lot easier, slash M16 parts, a lot easier to send home. However, the big issues came in the 7677 window because after GCA 68, they were trying to do what they're trying to do right now. They cut off the ammunition. They had shut off surplus arms and were trying to harass anybody and everybody with regard to weapons sales, even though they had no authority. For instance, the gun shows in any way, shape or form. What happened is AR-15s were specifically attacked in the 77-81 window. That died out because a lot of people took them to court. And the same basic argument that came up later with the assault weapons ban, which of course common sense, just because it's a look-alike doesn't mean that it's a mission gun, an opener, a wiver. And they proved that extensively. However... So if it has a 12-round magazine, it's a machine gun. Yeah. Like in Washington. Or, you know, if it's a military MRE, it must be stolen from them. Right. Not purchased by the time. But wait a minute. With those short shotgun shells, I'm sorry. It must have become an accomplice to turning all those Mossbergs into machine guns. Exactly. Well, that's what it tells you. And you can get 13 in a tube. That turns a shotgun into a machine gun, right? See, that's the problem I have with this is, again, all this arbitrary nonsense is purely designed to intentionally, not accidentally, but intentionally create confusion. And again, that is not the spirit of our American legal system, the way it was established. And it certainly has nothing to do with common sense. And they know this. And so we're at the point where, you know, they're going to start, like I said, coming out of the chocks with this next administration. I don't care which goof it is. They're going to come out crazy. Yeah, you can see it because they're briefing them for crazy and insane right now. We're seeing some of the stuff coming out of the enforcement agencies where they're already puffing them up. And remember, we have the Bushites in charge right now. And everybody's saying there's going to be change and everything's going to be different. The only change is that they're going to go crazy. Well, George, the elder didn't have any authority to lock up all those rifles in, was it 91 I guess, in warehouses that already had their import permits. He did it anyway. Exactly. What they did is through the bureaucracy. What they did is slowed them down and they killed whole companies. The same thing happened by the way with 9-11. There are a lot of companies that had material that was not restricted, that was held up on the docks, and they selected them to mine. Yeah, they selectively targeted companies and what they did is the people had notes. They loaned out that they took a loan for a million dollars to buy, a million dollars worth of widgets. And what happened is they locked them up on the docks intentionally. Now, other buddies, like ring kissers, they got their stuff expedited. But the average person, the little guy or somebody that might be in an industry that they wanted to choke off, they got hurt big time and many cases were put out of business completely. And this happened with surplus dealers, this happened with ammo dealers. Again, not an accident. It was very much intentional. And they did it not with passing laws, but by regulating the speed of the bureaucracy. You drop at the snail's pace, and those checks still have to be out there for that payment on that million dollars that you're not making any money on. You know, you paid a million dollars plus little interest to the company you bought the stuff from. It's sitting on the docks and every day you have to pay the interest and you have to make the payments. You planned on doing that with your initial sales and with constant sales to liquidate the product. That didn't show up or happen. Well, the South lost a thousand rifles sitting in a warehouse all tied up and they ended up spending $100,000 on legal fees trying to get them unstuck. That's $100 a rifle just for the lawyers. Exactly. And that's something that people are hearing. We're hearing this again from the trade, from people in the business, and they're getting jittery. Oh, not so much jittery. They can see the writings on the wall. Let's put it that way. And everybody is going to have to pick a direction on this one because if they don't dig their heels in and everybody stand, this time around the industry is going to take a hit that it will probably not recover from. People do not understand that. If we do not, everybody is going to have to decide where they want America to go. If we let these nutcases have their way, their logic is that they will disarm the country and then they will start whatever craziness they want to plug in. These crazy people have talked about killing 80% of the population. I don't think any of you listening are keepers in their eyes. Well, this just reinforces the thought we've got out a couple of times over the last month or so, Mark. It goes back to the 70s when we started seeing little puddle jumper cars from other nations come here. And on occasion you'd see one of those bumper stickers that says Buy American. Only in this instance, you guys, as of late, we've been telling you, buy an American gun. Try to avoid buying a foreign gun right now, unless it's used. You get it dirt cheap and that's the only avenue which you can explore. But buy an American gun you guys we we need to reinforce the American gun industry You can pick a name, you know, you can go out buy a little American 22 put it in your pocket You can go all the way up to Ronnie Barrett's finest, you know automatic or rather semi-automatic 50 calibers if you want to go down to Knob Creek in a couple of weekends and you have a big big pile of pop bottles and willing to exchange them, you can walk away from there with an automatic 50 caliber if that's what you think you want. But again, if you want to spend the money, yeah. Well, you can walk away with an agreement. If you're for another state, you can have another year of paperwork waiting for it to actually arrive. And who knows what's going to happen in that year of interim. I've seen frenzied activities on subguns.com, people shuffling around their Class III items because they're trying to get the paperwork all done and everything delivered before the new president arrives. Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. But you know it's only a $200 tax on a machine gun. But it's a 12-month of paperwork. Yeah, you're right. Plus, don't forget, nose print, butt print, tongue print, fingerprints, toe prints, and of course that myriad of questions and suggestions and innuendo done with the background checks. They do everything but look up your old times, they do that. That's right. Or at least one of the dresses. If you are willing and you have cash that might be something to commit to your cash. And yes, the 10th, 11th, and 12th. I always want to double check that because we don't anybody confused on this one. But October 10th, 11th, and 12th is Nob Creek. There are going to be a number of meetings around Nob Creek proper that will be taking place. I believe the Colonial Marines will be doing a national meet there. They have invited me, but I will see how that works because I have to be able to divide my time up. I've addressed them in the past. I'm probably going to be talking to them anyway here in the next month before we go to Nob Creek. So we'll see what happens there. But Knob Creek is the 10th, 11th, and 12th, and guys, they can't cancel it because we canceled the spring one out. So this is the only one for 2008. And if you can get down there, you're going to meet people. But I would ask you to do this. Take a whole bunch of how to find the sheets. When you do go down there, just start handing them out in all directions. Let everybody know, hey, check this out. It would be kind of fun to see how many thousands of new people we can make contact with. Poker Face is going to be down there, the band is going to be playing on site. We are going to do what we can to kind of dress that up a bit. I need some help there. We are going to make sure we bring up as many American flags, state flags and other paraphernalia with us to dress out the stage area for them. Again, we are working on the stage events down in Austin. That is something that the guys are going to be helping us with in that direction. Plus, hopefully another event in Kentucky proper separate from Knob Creek. We are going to try and give the band an opportunity. Again, people go, band, don't worry about weapons. We are going to work all of the tools of the trade that we have. and use them to help bring as many people up and online, whatever way we can to tweak their minds to get them to think about what's going on. At the very least, we start to turn people. And as things get worse, more and more people will be turning and asking questions. There's now a day that goes by when we do not travel that I do not have somebody asking or coming up and saying, oh, hi, Mark. Yeah, we remember what you said. If I go into town it's constant. What's really interesting is the young people especially, just here in a little town of Dexter, the young people are always asking questions. In fact, it's easy to get two, three, or four of them into listening to what you want to talk about with regard to what's going on right now. And they are worried and they do understand. They can sense that something is grossly wrong. So guys, this is the time to speak out. This is the time. If all else fails, do what I used to do. I worked with you of them. Every day I would make copies. In fact, let me tell you how low a budget I set up. I could use the copy machines at work and I asked them, I said, well, I'll tell you what, I don't want to use the paper. If I bring my own paper, I can copy what I want. Oh yeah, anything you want. Use the machine as much as you want. And this was the one for each of the facilities that I was in. So, thank you, that's good. So what I did is I went over to the mail room. And every mail room and every dorm has thousands of flyers. They do like about, maybe they've got, say, 400 students in the building. They send them 1,500 flyers that are copied on one side. Well guys, that's all free copy paper and it's all stacked really nice and it's all uniform. So guess what? Mark had all kinds of pretty colored paper that he could use to make posters to put on bulletin boards. Won't one-sided, of course, because that's all we need. Posters to glue on telephone poles, posters to leave, or fliers to leave out in all kinds of any places. So I would have about 4,000 sheets of something printed up. And between myself and a couple of allies, even though we were doing all the other fun stuff that you've heard about, One of the things we would do is swamp the entire central campus area. Every telephone pole, every bulletin board, all the same color, obviously from one effort. Oh, and when they'd rip them down, some of the liberals would rip them down, they'd look on the back and, oh my goodness, it's one of our shoots. Yeah, and it didn't cost us a penny. We used the enemy's tools, the enemy's resources, and we stuck them. Yup. See how that works? And it got the point across. And one of the things that I did for years, was a little flyer. And it said these are laws and proposed laws that are going to turn America into a police state. You need not believe what it is going on, but you may investigate for after all, all you have to lose is your ignorance. And then I listed the legislation that would be generated and I had no organization, no call us, no visit this, no talk to that, no join this organization. I just leave the information laying in a hundred thousand places. When I went to the credit union, this is my favorite, I would leave one of those sheets where you make out your checks or your deposit slips. And I'd get in line and I'd try to ignore the table that it was on. And the next guy coming up behind me, guys, what he would do is he would walk up or she would walk up and they would be making out their little check. And they would be making out their deposit slip. And then they would look at the paper laying there. And then they would look around, left and right. And then they would look to see if anybody was watching. And then while they were writing their stuff out, they would stop and the hand would flick over and grab the paper, fold it up and they would stuck it in their shirt. And then they would look around to see if anybody was looking. And then they would take it with them. Now, because of that little flyer, the local state politicians for the federal representatives had to order cases of laws. cases of the printed laws from the GPO, they could not understand how people found out about this. They could not understand why people were asking for them. They were in a frenzy. They were terrified because there was nobody to finger. There was nobody to attack. There was nobody to blame. There was no place to go, but people were demanding the information. That's what I used to do from behind the scenes because oh that's a lot of fun and you know what's cute is what the way I wrote it up is I even did a little paragraph that explained actually this three little paragraphs that told you exactly how you would have to call your representative three different times because they would try not to give you the information and I had people even told that I knew personally I say yeah do it this way here take this flyer do this oh that's just crazy I know my representative if I call him up I'll get it in the next three days Then they would wait seven days and they would have to call back and they would say, oh we forgot it is already on the way. When they called the second time they would tell them, oh yeah it is on the way. They would wait another week and it didn't show up. They would call a third time and the voice at the other end was like, oh you are calling again. In other words their logic is that you have such a short memory span and a short attention span that if they put you off for two calls chances are you wouldn't care when it came in the mail. Think about it. of PL100-690. They didn't know what to do about that. Because any time that you as a citizen ask for a copy of the law, they must provide it to you. Now, they'll try to hide it, they'll try to deflect it, they'll try not to provide it under the hopes that you will die on the vine. But if you stick to your guns and follow the instructions I gave out on this little flyer, oh it was just fascinating how many people actually got what they asked for. And then they got really PO'd. Uh oh. Again, who do you grab, who do you strangle, who do you club, how can they stop it when nobody knows where it came from and nobody is worried about taking credit for it? You see how that works? I'll tell you what, you don't have to say, I listen to the intel report. All you have to do is just keep dropping off how to find the sheets everywhere you can. Anywhere you can. Do them the cheapest you can. Make quarter sheets. This is something we do all the time. A lot of you that have placed orders and got stuff back from us got these little quarter sheet fliers. I gave you masters. Everybody that asks for something, you know I send you all kinds of good stuff. Well those little quarter page fliers mean that for whatever it costs you to make one sheet, one sheet copy, You cut them into four pieces and now it costs you one quarter as much per copy. Now you take those instruments and drop them one here, one there, two here, give one to the guy at the gas station, give one to the teller at the bank, hand one over to the person at the flower shop. Hell, I go through and just sweep the whole town every once in a while with different people, just hand them out as I go. And I do enough radio that I think I've done my part for the cause. But I can't. And yet there is still more that everybody can do. But again, if you want to do nothing else, do it anonymously. It bothers the snout out of them when they can't be sure where it came from, where it's going. Nobody is worried about, hey, by the way, talk to me. Guys, that terrifies your enemy more than anything else. For we are everywhere and yet we are like smoke. What do you grasp? What do you grab? How do you touch it? What can you do about it? You see? And that's the fun part about this. Again, create problems for the enemy in so many ways they are grabbing their hind end. They are wasting their life's time. They don't know which way to turn. They are outnumbered, which they are. And they are grossly overwhelmed, which can easily happen because they only have 24 hours in the day. You all each have 24 hours in the day times how many millions? My God, think about it. Just in time consumption how you can overwhelm your enemy. That's what we have to be thinking about, people. I've done it for as long as I've been doing this for the effort and the cause. An example of it is how many times we have asked you to call on behalf of someone, perhaps incarcerated or under war circumstances. And how many times does that come through? I'm personal testimony to that. That's an example. In fact, we should mention that, by the way, that situation has even improved yet again. We're more on that soon. Just like at the bottom of the hour I told you I'd talk more about night vision. We'll have to wait for a bit. We can't do it quite yet. But we're going to have some actually even better news than we got before. And you guys all pitched in and helped with this to be quite honest. I know that it made a difference. Plus, of course, again, there are just considerations that were forced upon the individuals that had authority. I know what happened. So anyway, we have so many things that can be done. And I know we're getting to the top of the hour here. So, make the effort. Just make up a honeydew list, but it's for yourself. And every day, do something. Get a little something done. Get a little more done. Just in fact, take what I do with my bundle projects. Example, I'm working on a ghillie suit. I've accumulated the stuff for this ghillie suit over probably 20 years. Seriously, there's stuff here that is older than I am in some cases. The thread is as old as I am. Everything is accumulated from either auctions or sales or stuff that I've seen. I thought, hey, that will come in handy when I do this project. It's going to go into and be incorporated in progressively to more than one because I've accumulated so much stuff we can just keep cranking them out. But with patience and just time share, all of what we need to accomplish will be done. Now again, I would say people go, well, why don't you just buy it off the shelf and then, no, that's not it. It's the idea that for my time spent, I'd be just as well off considering what I'm spending in the way of resource. My time spent on this project, if I do it properly, is going to be just as efficient as if I went out and spent money and well, bought something out of the box. I do that as it is. And anybody and everybody out there has been in contact with me understands that. But we're dealing with many, many different problems, and we're prioritizing where we're going to spend what little we do have in the way of resource. in very specific ways to make us more efficient weapons in this dagger war that we have been fighting. That's how I want you all to think about it. Anyway, we are just about at the top of the hour. We're probably going to hear the music here in a second. So it's the end of Thursday. August is 10 a.m. Monday through Friday on the Micro Effect Broadcast Network. Every morning we're there. I'll clean that out Mark. Enjoy yourself, have a high spirit, be joyful, victory is our goal. God bless the Republic. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. Drag them off to the shore, we are going to kick them right in the hind end, we are not letting them come back. Yeah, hold on to a box of these, by the way. We'll duct tape those to you. Bye. Thank you, Doug. God bless your heart. God bless your America.