Live 365 If he stood by your bedside in a dream you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Southeast, East. There we go. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on pbn.4mg.com, libertytreeradio.4mg.com, and we're on live 365. Then go to Liberty Tree Radio. You will also find us on AM&FM microstations, CB Bay stations, and UltraNet technologies, both East west of the Mississippi and way up in Alaska, both south and central. Well, down to the end of the special day. Hey, today is Wednesday, you guys. 27 August. That means it's Weapons Wednesday, and if you listen real close, one in the chamber, the slide is closed, the well is full, and the perimeter is secure. I say, now here in the Poon Job, fighting against them gherkas and those Sikhs and those other people up there. They're tuggy. That's right. They're tuggy cows. I say once more into the breach again with a 45. I'm sorry, 455 Webley. That was the counterpart, by the way, remember. The 455 Webley. Another country actually did have a good sized boar weapon. It was the 45 revolver made by the Brits. Top break. Another thing real quick there, that same plunk you heard in that 1911. Norway and a few other of the northern European countries before World War II adopted the same basic weapon. It wasn't just the US carrying the 1911 A1 type frame. There were a lot of other countries out there that appreciated the larger bore weapons when it came to putting one round into a target and knocking it down. It's interesting, different schools of thought. Most Europe went to smaller calibers and went into the 9mm. It bounced back and forth with other ideas over the years. The 45 is the year 2008. I guess we have to admit, the 9mm Paravelum is just as old. Been around for quite some time, guys. Still chugging along for 100 years of service and more. So that means there must be something they're doing right with that cartridge. Anyway, the interesting thing is you could take a 1911 or actually a 1905 Colt cartridge, drop it into your .45 and other than the type of powder used, basic performance would still be there. It actually could still function in the weapon, should cycle the weapon and would pick up a modern round right behind it. So, it gives you a little clue as to how durable some of your weapons are with basic maintenance and basic perseverance with regard to paying attention to the needs and the cares of your arms. Now, real quick here, just touching on a subject, construction of arms. If we don't have what we need, we're going to have to build them. Now, let me give you a little hint of some places to go and things to look at. How many of you remember Bush Masters bullpup rifle that they came up with in the 80's? Oh yeah. Nice little compact piece, alloy frame receiver, magazine to the rear. Originally came with a flash hider until the politically correct nonsense needed to be plugged in. And of course in the 80's and 90's, that's when the other BS took place. So they had to take the flash hider off with the later production models. However, if you have looked at that weapon, did you realize what the whole basic premise of the rifle was? The design? What was it based upon? A simple piece of extruded aluminum tubing. Think about that, guys. In fact, I always kind of laugh down when I looked at it originally. I said, wait a minute, this is door channel. Everybody is like, what? I said, what did this is? Have you ever seen how many of you have been at school or in a workplace? And you have these push doors. You know, we have the ones that are flush right to the door. You know, the push bars. The old style school push bars hung out. The new ones are actually in a box frame material. Well, I've taken apart a lot of those and worked on a lot of those. And the first time that I saw the metal down that Bushmaster used for that tubing that they used, I said, wait a minute. Let me show you something. I actually went around the corner and grabbed some of the stuff that I had because they would throw this stuff away at the U all the time, the components, the door bars. I said, look guys, even the same striations and extrusion marks on the side for style and for strengthening. What they did, it was a smart move. It was an idea that goes back to what was called the PAWS Rifle. P-A-W-S. All in capitals. If you want to have some fun, do a search. Now you are going to have to do a book search. You may not see a whole lot on the pause out there in the Google world because it's technology they don't really want people to know about. But the logic was, Don, we've got to make a rifle fast. We're going to need a lot of them for the next war. What can we make it out of where we can use existing off-the-shelf parts as far as internal design and then take something off the shelf we already have and build it into it. Wow, and look what they came up with. The pause looks literally like the actual, I'm sure that's where they got the idea for the Bushmaster pistol because the pause was a little under twice the length of the Bushmaster bull pump. A straight tube had a standard M16 pistol grip stuck in the bottom of it. Simple magazine well cut right into the metal tubing and lo and behold the thing used all internal AR-15 M16 parts. Now, the pause was designed for minimal production cost and turnaround. Now, think about this. All that special casting and all that special machining you see on the M16 cost in 1970, $71, about $160 per rifle. Now, the concept, although they never gave a dollar amount Don, the concept was that the PAWS rifle could be built for one-fifth to one-seventh the cost of the AR-15. So that means that would put it at, well guys, about a 30-40 dollar rifle. That would mean that an assault rifle or semi-automatic rifle in whatever caliber depending on magazines that were available because remember down the reason they did this is because they wanted a rifle that would take standard AR-15 mags, use standard ammunition, take all standard internal parts that break. In other words firing pins, extractors, ejectors, the bolt face were all AR-15. The barrel even was an AR-15 type barrel obviously because it took the same bolt face. They plugged this all into a square, though rounded, piece of extruded steel or aluminum stock and made the PAWS rifle work for $40. Now, accuracy, comparable, recoil, minimal, the design worked really, really well. Lo and behold, Mr. Bushmaster comes along. I should say the Bushmaster company there. They probably started leafing through the books and said, hey this is a cool idea, but let's make it smaller. So they took the same concept. They took this extruded aluminum stock material, made all the air 15 parts fit. The only thing that they changed is they made their own little molded pistol group and trigger group assembly, pistol group and trigger group, and magazine well. That was because of the new processes with Zytel nylon and such. Lo and behold, came up with the Bushmaster Bullpup. The US Marine Corps purchased 2000 of those rifles for research. We never did hear a whole lot of how they felt about them, but apparently there were some people who were satisfied. There were other people who had some questions. The few shortcomings of the Bullpup could have been met very, very quickly. I'll give you a little hint as to a couple of them. The whole receiver of the rifle is also the buttstock. It is all just one straight piece of metal. That is a very cool idea if it is minus 50. Think about it. You don't want to lay your cheek on it. I pointed this out years ago. The only thing you would have to take into consideration is coming up with a stand off piece of wood. to create a stand-off cheat-crest that would go on the top of the receiver. The best way to describe it is to imagine a square stock rounded in the corners, a piece of tubing about 3 inches by 3 inches in diameter, 3 inches in width by 3 inches in height. 32 inches long for the overall receiver. The butt plate on the end was also the retainer for all of the working parts. The front part of the cap that went on the end of the tube gun held the barrel. That's it. So simple, it was ridiculous. And then a couple of welds that they put on the bottom to hold the M16 pistol grip, and they cut a slot in the bottom of the square box and made that the magazine well. Bing, bing. All done. And it worked. This thing worked phenomenally well. So much so that they made it disappear because why would you be spending money on a $160 rifle when you could buy seven of these PAWS rifles and they would do everything that the... Oh, wait a minute. Hey, Colt and Armalite and all those others wouldn't be making a whole lot of money hand over fist on those, would they now? No, not really. Unless they were overcharging and charged just $160 for a rifle that should have retailed at only $40. Those buggers. Well anyway, we know that didn't happen. They just made it disappear in the air. 15 is history, of course. Bushmaster came up with the next. Now guys, the reason I bring this up, you may have to come up with a firearms solution. Many of you people who are listening in Alabama, in Georgia, in Florida, in Maine, in Pennsylvania, in California, way up there in Alaska, way down there in Arizona, you may have a machine shop. You may have access to a whole bunch of cool junk laying around some other company without a business. The very thing I'm talking about, your eyeball, your mind's eye is going, Don, Mark, I can do this. Guess what? You can. But why reinvent the wheel, guys? Look at the pause. Look at several of the other ideas that were done in Yugoslavia when the Ugo's went independent and when they knew that they were going to be under siege from NATO and from the U.S. There are companies that came up with whole independent integrated design systems that allowed for them to mix and match any number of different parts available and magazines, etc. to make a weapon. That's the thought process you have to have, variable geometry. Now here's how it works. Phase 1, or our first phase in bridging operations, is what we're doing now with our weapons. Don, you've got that beautiful 1911. It's off the production line. It is a standard 1911. Parts from any other one? Yes, every part can come from anywhere. That is a bridging firearm. That is our phase one firearm. Now we will either choose to continue to produce 45s, which I think we will be producing 45s, simply because the design lends itself to usability, shall we say user friendliness, because of the number of magazines and inventory, spare parts available, existing firearms and service. And you know what, something they don't like to talk about, look down, look at that weapon right there. That's a pretty fine looking firearm, isn't it? It looks good, it looks impressive, and it is functional in more than one way. It's not going to break if you drop it. It's not going to break if you lay it upside somebody's temple. You know what's fascinating is in the back force of Vietnam, guys with nothing more than a little hibachi furnace and a couple other tools, made rat tail file copies of that firearm. Think about that. Handmade piece for piece. Now let me ask all you machinists out there with CNC technology or all you people that know about casting and understand metallurgy. Think about whether or not you could actually, what steps could you follow through on? And would you have to build all the parts? Think about it. If you can access an inventory of spare parts, you only need to do key components. or key elements which is where you focus all of your metallurgy, all of your machining, all of your technology so you don't wear out your tools wasted on processes that you didn't need to have to waste tooling on. See how that works? These are all weapons though that are phase one because we're accumulating them to have the ability to effectively defend our liberty, protect our country and we know that they're going to be durable for a specific number of years, a period of time. However, there's going to be wear, there's going to be breakage and there's going to be loss. Phase two is supplementing spare parts. That's short. Phase three though, long phase, is our own internal production based upon a minimal amount of machining steps and based as much as possible upon non-strategic materials. Now, where that comes in, let me point out something. When you drive down the road, you probably just look at things for what they are. When me, I'm driving down the road, I'm looking at how can I change that and make it into something useful. Let me explain something. How many road signs are there in the United States? Seemingly too many. That's a whole lot of aluminum sheet metal out there or steel sheet metal out there, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Now, some of it is fiberglass nowadays. We'll learn about that later. But there's a whole lot of sheet metal and a whole lot of metal and resources out there just laying around. What about the other considerations such as tin cans or aluminum cans? Now people are going, what are you going to do with those? Well, tin cans provide you with stock sheet metal. Yep. Okay. For instance, let me point this out, inexpensive internal heat shields for hand guards. Now, what about the aluminum? Well, smelted back down, and again this is an annoying process, but smelted back down, the aluminum can be cast into other non-critical, in other words, non-bearing surface components. Instead of using, for instance, wood or plastic. It's purely a matter of integrating or swapping back and forth depending upon what's available. Let me give an example of another direction. How many recycling bins are out there, guys? How much plastic is already pre-soded for you? Now, if you heat that plastic up and you make a mold, can you make a, for instance, four grip for a shotgun? A vertical grip for a pistol, like say the wraparound slab grips? Can you make, for instance, a vertical foregrip for a firearm if you wanted to make a copy of something? Think about what you can do to, for instance, make even whole stock assemblies based upon recasting existing polymers without using an infusion system, just heating and molding. Think about that. Now, you've got to sort your plastic. You guys out there, you have to do a little research there, too. But common sense, same color, same stock. Now, casting that same material into a rifle stock, submachine gun stock, or whatever, It will have a limited lifespan because that type of plastic, one of the reasons I think they backed away from that Don, is because they are making it mandatory that that plastic actually have a shelf life and be biodegradable because it is a low grade plastic. Because of that, that plastic is going to be good only for what, six, eight, maybe nine years? Well, the thing about it is, 6, 8 or 9 years on a submachine gun or on a light rifle is going to be just fine for me, won't it? Oh yeah, yeah, more than an expected lifetime. Sure, what I'm going to do is turn right around and unscrew that part where it looks a little ratty or junky, throw it back into the bin and melt it down again. Or I can throw it into the landfill if I feel like that. Use it for a dummy, for a simulator, for any kind of optical targets. We want to give them something that they feel good about. Remember, we never throw anything away. It keeps getting re-graded into another project. That's critical. That's one of the most important aspects of this. Now, with regard to people saying, well, what if we don't have a whole lot of AR-15 mags? What do you have a lot of? In fact, ammo and mags determines what you base your system upon and how you build it. See how that works? If you're piling up a whole bunch of AKs and AK mags and a whole bunch of AK-74 mags and a whole bunch of stuff like that, and you know you can access more as opposed to AR-15 or as opposed to M14 or whatever, then guess what? That's what you base the internals on and that's what you design your magazine well around. And it can be also switching over to pistol mags and pistol ammunition simply because you have to. Remember that pistols require far less energy with regard to containment. Some machine guns and light carbines like 9mm 45mm or 40mm Smith and Wesson. Don't require as long a barrel. Don't require as much in the way of recoil or retardation springs for with regard to the blowback action. Not as much energy as expended building the thing, but you get reasonable fire power. And most of your pistols now have what? High capacity staggered magazines. Yup. So a nice little bullpup carbine with a 15 shot mag is actually a pretty decent little weapon for fire power. In fact, the high point carbine, which we mentioned many times, I challenge you, take a look at the design of that thing. The whole stock assembly, both sides of the clamshell, are plastic. The basic premise of the internals is the high point pistol with a light rifle barrel on it that's cut to minimal length. You know, cut to minimal legal length. Okay? So you're looking at a very simple design, all sheet metal or stamp construction. It's a classic wartime production weapon. Much like the Brenner Sten. Yeah, exactly. Only using polymers because polymers have become readily available for the moment. But now let's go back to the very weapon you're talking about. A Sten gun type weapon. Cost at the peak of production. Think about this, guys. In 1943 and 1944, the cost for one British Sten submachine gun in 9mm, typically a Mark II, although by then it could have been a Mark IV or it could have been a Mark III, was $2.75 per submachine gun. Guys. Granted. the folding money was worth a little more than but still that's an astounding number two dollars and seventy five cents when we were spending much more on an M on MBR main battle rifle and the point is that the stand was made in every workshop parts for it were made in all over England in fact uh... they had the austin which was made in uh... australia based on the same concept with a top magazine feed like the brennan and i was a man quick right into the top of the weapon These submachine guns, the many different types that were built, there are variations on the theme. Even the next generation, the Sterling, was still based on that premise but was spending more money because they weren't crunched for time. However, the Sten gun was only supposed to be in service for about two years and then be thrown away. Guess what? Forty years later, most of them were still in service and still being used. Now, let me give you an idea of how durable and how simple that design is. If you've ever looked at stem gun parts, stem guns, actually many of the parts were made out of brass. When they actually assembled the firearm, in many cases they did not weld it, they braised the parts. Yeah, you know, little torch and a hanger and some flux. Yeah, guys, think about that. Now that's how simple the design is. In fact, it has been said for many years, and I've pointed this out as an interesting thought, that the Confederacy could have built the Sten gun. Either side's industry could have built the Sten gun in 1861. A rimfire cartridge could have been used. There were many different ones available at the time. You had the volcanic Henry rifles that were out, the volcanic repeaters, and they already had a proven cartridge design in service. Many, many whole companies, in other words 120 men, 100 men in a unit, went out and bought their own volcanic rifles and carried them at the beginning of the Civil War. Think about that now you already had the ammunition all bet black powder who cares? It's only about a what a six seven inch barrel So in a submachine gun can you imagine an entire cavalry formation armed with Sten guns in 19 1861 at the beginning of the Civil War and No aspect of that firearm down was out of their reach In fact, as we have seen, a lot of the Confederate pistols were built in brass because it was easier to work, because steel was a problem in many cases, but brass was readily available. Many of the parts of the Sten gun could be made in brass. And don't tell me they couldn't make barrels. How many of you have shot a three band Springfield or a three band Enfield? It might have been a straight mag instead of a staggered mag, but to have a cartridge fed semi or with the option for full auto carbine carried with a whole group of mounted cavalry, I think it would be like a singer sewing machine walking through cloth. Yes. You know what I mean? It would be like all the massive fire combined with weight with cavalry would have been devastating. But again, that's history. That's a little thought. Anyway, and $2.75 in peak production, guys, I would figure that's a very user-friendly firearm with regard to production. So even though you don't need to go out building right now, the idea is to have the knowledge right now. understanding the technology. Don't we have a video on building two different guns? Actually yes, there's one that's the same gentleman he's built 50s. There's a whole series of arms that he was involved in and has been involved in in the past. And remember for personal use, each of you could produce a firearm or as many firearms as you need of any particular model, one of each, and there's no restrictions on it. Now that's something you don't want to talk about because It's like the whole issue with even liquor. Liquor for public sales was restricted, but for personal consumption, everybody was allowed to produce so many gallons per adult family member in a specific family. But don't put it in your car and take it down to your neighbor. The red one will get after you. That's right. You change. The banjos are playing while they're chasing you. Remember that. Banjo music. Shut it off. They don't follow you anymore. Anyway, the point is that solutions. Now, to get really crude, as we know if you've ever s*** it, my favorite, the Liberator. 1941-42, one of the lamp, it was actually a car lamp company, produced a stamped single shot screw-in barrel, 45 ACP pistol that they dropped to the natives. When they dropped it to the natives, it was so crude that it was nothing more than a cartoon that showed you what to do. Hopefully they knew to lead Reed from left to right as opposed to right to left. Nobody thought about that right away because you have to remember in the Muslim states, which direction? Right to the left. That's a little bit of a problem. Well, they dropped it to many of the natives. A lot of American soldiers picked him up because we dropped him by bucket full. We dropped him everywhere so the natives would have a .45 pistol to walk up in the bush and go pop and kill a Japanese soldier and then run away with his rifle and now he can go pop, pop, pop. Yep, akin to a butter knife. upgraded. They traded them because the natives had them and it was like, hey, let me have that. I'll give you one of these things. Give you a chocolate bar. Yeah, and they were very happy for the goodies and the soldier ended up with a little extra firepower if he needed. It was only one shot, but that was better than harsh language at a bayonet. See what it means. So a lot of guys grabbed them and sent them home or they carried them home with them and got them all the way back here. And that's why there are examples that are out there laying around for people to look at. Well, the liberator or a variation on it is just as easily produced in many different forms. But think non-strategic materials. Now let's go through the short list again. Non-strategic materials includes wood. It could include plastic as in resin slash residue. Another option, by the way, a subroutine of that guys is what about all of the body and bondo compounds out there? Oh, I was just thinking of fiberglass. Many of you are familiar with, you know, fiberglass patching of cars, even steel cars. That's right. How about, who is it out west? Rock McMillan will build you a fiberglass or polymer for your 50. When you are building up pistol grips and you had to improvise something, let's say you do something in slab steel and you make it so that it is set up, but you want a little bit of something to fill out the hand, to round out the hand. Hey guys, that bondo or that body compound or even fiberglass can be used to fill out the arches and actually make a pistol grip that would be ergonomically designed to your needs. Think about that. So it is just like building a car. This is a machine. There are many other options. On top of that, we built a nice weapon, but it would be kind of nice if we could aim and hit what we were shooting at. There would be better. There are simple systems which for the submachine gun like this 10 was nothing more than a peep sight to the rear, built and very crude with a notch sight in the front. We lined it up and hole and notch, pop, pop, pop, hopefully it lined up. You could adjust it. a little bit, not a mechanical adjustment, you had to tap it to where it needed to be. Very crude. Very crude. And then you welded it in place and it stayed. This is a small hammer. Very small hammer, not a really big hammer, no. However, there are precision sites across the United States still available and there are companies that produce them. And I don't have to have micro-precision for a personally built firearm unless that weapon is actually well grounded in some engineering theory. However, you still want something that's going to put that site into the target area and keep it within reasonable accuracy because otherwise you're wasting ammunition. Another option, of course, is, well guys, you buy a whole big case of inexpensive scopes. The CHI-COM ones were coming in for the longest time in little 4 power to 6 power. Right now, Basra is another one. There's a whole bunch of other company scopes out there where you can pick a scope. and the more you buy, the cheaper they are. Now, someone's going to say, yeah, but that scope's going to break. Yeah, well, I got three of them in my backpack. Well, eventually, when it does break out, break or go defunct on me, I'm not going to throw it out. I may apply it to another project, but I'm going to set it off to the side. I'm going to cannibalize it for spare parts. I'll throw the next one on, sight the weapon in accordingly, and away we go. Now, the smaller the scope, the cheaper it will be. And for pop-up scopes, where I just want to bring the target into that, say, crosshair quick, or that red dot, Well guys, look at the solutions out there. So as far as putting an aiming system on a home built, that's not a problem. The biggest thing is making sure that you maintain specific standards so that you don't have to adjust the scope radically to make it fit the weapon. In other words, when you're in wartime production, you prioritize machining processes only where they're absolutely needed to reduce the amount of time and wear on the machinery. And when you do something, where you spend your dollars is where the accuracy counts. Producing the barrels is critical. Making sure that your siting systems are accurate, obviously. extraction and ejection. Those need to be beefed up. If you are doing it all from scratch, remember, better to have too much than not enough. While you are there, how about the bolt and the bolt interface to the chamber? That's right. That's where you want some fine machine work. That's it. Otherwise, she can be as crude as heavy casting or scratches, dings and whatever. You know what? Here is an idea. A 99 cent can of dollar store paint and a little bit of tape and Wow, look at how spiffy that paint job looks and when it wears off You know what you do you break out another 99 cent can of paint and you cover up the scratches again to keep it from rusting Might be a different color because the seasons have changed. That's right. And the British did this for years quite successfully sometimes 11 12 14 15 16 layers of paint on a British landfill. It feels heavy. Yeah Almost a pound in lead paint in the old lead-based paint because you got to remember back then most of those were what? I'm going to die from the lead. Well, I'll tell you what, we gotta be getting cold. We're past a break, so if we do want to take a break here, we might hear the music in the background. the red coats, what mind you man this film is in our valleys there is danger, and there's danger in our hills, oh here you're not just singing of the views oh wild and free, but soon you'll know the ringing of the rifle from the tree, oh the rifle, oh the rifle, in our hands could prove no frightful. You may ride a goodly speed, you may know a stern a master You forward march with speed, but you'll learn to back much faster When you meet our mountain boys and the leader jot a start And you make what little noise and always hit the mark Hold the rifle, hold the rifle In our hands we'll prove Noah's rifle Maggie no grave at home, back across the briny water And hither ye must come, as well as to the slaughter But if we the job must do, then the sooner it is begun If Lyndon's figure hold the buck through, the quicker it will be done Hold the rifle, hold the rifle In our hands, prove no to rifle Hold the rifle, hold the rifle In our hands, prove no to rifle okay you've got the intelligence report and there's one we have brought to the bar weapons wednesday in a few weeks uh... this is my rifle little uh... bit of first drawn up by uh... general rupert a submarine during world war two and the uh... latter there being uh... the marching song for daniel morgan's rifle corps during the american revolution it's good to hear him again real quick there when you hear that When you hear that double tap, does everybody know what that is? That's the hammer striking the pan and then the gun going off. That's right. We get that double pop because you have to get that powder in the pan going first before the main charge is set off. Which meant you had to stay focused. Little thing real quick there about that. Think about it guys. They did a good job of expressing this in The Last of the Mohicans, which was a phenomenal movie for being accurate with regard to the portrayal of the equipment, the weapons and everything. Obviously historically correct. The idea that that pan goes but you still, you've got a lead on your target. The bullet hasn't left the bore. When you see that, when that first charge goes off, you have to stay focused on the target and continue to proceed. You have to continue to track the target and stay on and work with it until the main charge discharges. Yup, that means no blink, no flinch. That's right. That was the difference between accuracy and well, spray and pray. And you think you got it bad. I'm going to have to pick a flavor of cartridge. You realize what they would do if they saw something like what you have today. Of course they'd still be looking for range, accuracy over volume fire. But first nights when you've got a whole line of savages in front of you, that would have been a bad situation, I'm sure. Well, I'll tell you what, we've got a special report from Butterknife. And Butterknife, jump in there please. Hi guys, how are you doing tonight? Oh, thanks for asking. Great. I'll spare you the usual rejoinder. I received a sail flyer from Midway today and was looking through that. I saw a few items that drew my attention so I thought I would call your attention to them as well. This is a sail flyer but most of the things that I spotted are not on sale. They are just listed and oh by the way we have these. Under the Aguila column. Midway apparently has the shorties now as well. They have three flavors of them, the seven and a half shot, that's $8.19 per 20. They have the arcane load, which is number four and number one buck. They're explicit about that, they tell you what kind of buck it is. Those are $13.29 per 20, not cheap, but they may serve a purpose for you. They have the rifled slug, it's a 7.8 ounce slug, 10.49 per 20. They do not list any sort of bulk or case quantity prices, so I guess you just order a certain number of boxes. Interesting. Well, and again, the cool thing about those, again, volume bringing up the capacity, the firepower of your pump shotgun or your semi-auto. Now, those were tested originally. When they came out in the 80's in the Burnelli semi-auto shotgun and were completely successful. Of course the Burnelli M4 is not a cheap shotgun but it was sold by HK and all the rage for a little while. And so a very serviceable gun. It was tested in other weapons found to be, there was no complication or any finickiness with the American Arms. So this is a good solution, but again test your firearm for practice. Here's an idea. You can buy the arcane, which are the double buck types, or the slug. But for training, use the seven and a half. There'll be no difference in the performance with regard to ejection and loading. So for training purposes, to practice with these shells, That is the direction to go. Your training round is the 7.5. Your standard combat load can be the arcane buck and the solid shot. That works out pretty well. You are saving money during training because obviously that is the cheapest. The 7.5 shot is the least expensive. Another thing about those though, 7.5 is a good defense in house. In close range you've got a lot of pepper lead hitting the target, chances are not armored. The cool thing is if it hits a wall, goes through something, a question was asked by one of our friends earlier today, just commenting on the whole idea of projectiles and their performance, the number seven and a half is going to stop basically with whatever it hits. If it gets past it, it's going into the drywall and staying there. It's not going into the next room, not going into the next house. So there are some advantages of the seven and a half as a close in defense load. Another thing about it, seven and a half is a fine shot, not the finest, but a fine shot. And it will, it'll actually go through Kevlar. It'll actually weave through. It gets small enough that it goes through the integrated weave and gets through to the other side with a little bit of energy, something nobody wants to get hit with. So, especially with side strikes or over laying leaf strikes on the edge of the armor, it's a consideration that it would still have effect and maybe something to be perceived as a reasonable threat. So, another option there, but either way, these are all good loads. And one for training, seven and a half. The double-ought and number four buck would be, again, one of your combat loads. The slug, now there's much of a priority. A lot of people are using that. The cops are using those for door busters on the hinges. still would be effective against people at close in range for a defense charge and would deliver all the energy on the target. Anything else exciting with those? Yeah, there's some interesting stuff. Also in the Guila column, they have the 60 Green SSS-22LR. It's not cheap. It's $449 per box of $50, but you don't need thousands of those. That strikes me as just the thing for a pot filler if you really don't want to alert the entire neighborhood that you're out in the woods. Exactly, for a number of reasons. Let's say large squirrel shooting. Also, let's say they are large groundhogs with an identifiable temple. If you can get a temple shot, you've got some possibilities there. Well, here's one of the things about that. We're talking about the subsonic round, right? Correct. Now, you want to shoot that through a bolt gun, you guys. Why? Because you know what, I can put a silencer on, well, the front of this barrel isn't threaded. But I could put one of those mufflers on the front of this 1911, pull the trigger, you'd still hear that. You'd still hear the slide cycle. Granted, it would be louder than the bullet leaving the muzzle. But that's still a bit of noise, isn't it? If you want to keep that ug wheel around really, really quiet, shoot it in your bolt gun. It will be a little more accurate too. If you needed to do something to muffle it at the muzzle end you can probably improvise something. At the very least reduce the radius of the noise footprint. But definitely bolt action is the action of choice for subsonics like that. Oh yes. There's another interesting 12 gauge A-Listed. This one was Hornady. It's the only item that I plan to talk about that's actually on sale by a whole buck 20 or something along those lines. But they have a SABOD 12 gauge round. They list it as 300 grains and 2000 feet per second. Now these are not cheap also. They're 1079 for a box of five. But it is an interesting concept. 300 grain round at 2000 FPS is really moving out there. That's just lead? I believe it's just lead. Yeah, because you move that up another 200 feet per second or so and it won't survive in the air. Well, remember it is sabbode, so it will survive the barrel at least. Yeah, but again, it's below the lead deformation come apart point, about 2,200 feet. No matter how good you build your lead bullet, if it's not jacketed, about 2,200 feet per second, slightly over that, it's going to start to come apart, you guys. Okay, now bear in mind that I'm not certain that this is pure lead. It may be an alloy of some sort. Right, either way, it's serviceable enough in that velocity. What they're using that for is, like we said for years, the SABOS, BRI came up with them years ago and many other companies copied them. Hornady, this is a Hornady load, is it just a bullet or is it the whole case? This is a Hornady loaded shot shell. This is something different. It's interesting. It's a discarding sable. Is it an hourglass type projector? Does it show a picture of anything? They don't really show a picture of it. You can see from the photographs that it is the standard rolled edge shot shell. And you can see something in there ready to come out. But they don't really show you any diagrams of the projectile itself. It's interesting because one model, of course, the BRI type for an hourglass, very accurate, out to 200 yards with a scope shotgun or iron sights. That was a deer stopper at 200 yards easily and that was a 500 grain projectile. Dropping the weight of the projectile down, the other option, I'd be really curious to see the projectile because Fiacci came up with a little lighter projectile and a 500 grain and what they actually copied virtually verbatim the tank technology and that they put little plastic fin stabilizers on the back of the projectile. and it was a sable cup system so when it leaves the tube the two parts separate and again accuracy to 200 yards with this velocity you're getting both the range and obviously the energy. It's just a big thing. You're driving up the energy potential because you brought velocity up even though you brought weight down. The formula is a little more desirable there because you've got more penetration at the 200 yard mark. You've also added some versatility to your 12 gauge. If you've got an assortment of arms available and somebody gets a 12 gauge because there's nothing else left in the pile, this gives them some closer approximation to the other guy's ballistics. Yes. They also have the same thing in 20 gauge. That's listed as 250 grain and 1800 feet per second. But once again, if you've got a 20 gauge on the shelf and everybody's saying, oh, poo poo's the 20 gauge, you know, it's not as beefy as the 12 and so on. This gives it some capability. I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want to catch one of those down range. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to catch a 22 for that matter. So I'm chicken. Well, I've said it before on that measure. I'd much rather get shot with that 9mm than a 45mm. Right. There is that. Now, we also have a tiny, tiny fraction. You have another 1.8 of an inch opportunity to miss. And when it comes to bones, I like that idea especially. Oh, remember that song, when a bullet hits a bone? Well, you know it. That might be the difference between a big ouch and a, oh man, I'm dragging that limb. So anything else from Midway there that was looking good? I have one last item. Now this is not a sale item but it caught my eye because I had not previously noticed it. They offer a Lee O-ring press but this one is set up for 50 BMG comes complete with dies and shell holder and primes and all that sort of stuff. Full kit for 50 BMG for $185. Very good price too. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, I've seen dies alone for more than that. Oh yes. Now that's a die set, Opress, shell holder, the whole nine yards. Right. Press die set shell holder ram prime caseloop large and small primer arms and a regular die bushing for the usual 7 8th dies Hmm. So again, the press is still versatile for the other for any other loading we want to do too, right? I would not use a heavy press like that for little itty-bitty pistol cases Little clunky for that, but it'll probably run all the way down into your large pistol or very small rifle cases. Okay. Yep And then the advantage would be, does it say whether it's alloy, is it alloy or is it steel? They don't say. They say this is a Lee classic cast press. So I suspect it's probably a steel. Yeah, I suspect it's cast iron but I don't know that for a fact. You could call Midway and question them. Let's get their number up. 1-800-243-3220. And they have a website at MidwayUSA.com. Very good. And again, now that's another source and we can pretty well figure they have them in stock. We need a confirmation on that from anybody who wants to check in. They can spot that in the chat room too, so we're up to speed on that. But the next wave is prioritizing production and Lee has hit the mark because we need to get as many of these presses out as we possibly can. Now here's, there are two reasons for this. Number one, we certainly can use them. But you'll notice the theme that I've been offering Butterknife and Don tonight is self-production, being able to build our own. If we have an example of the least expensive system available, we can re-engineer accordingly based upon our material resources and can build the same system in 1,000 different locations. I would suggest that the way you'd want to prioritize that is to purchase the higher precision items and manufacture the lower precision items. That would suggest that you spend your money on buying dies and get an example press to look at so that you fully understand the principles and then fabricate presses if you need to. Exactly. Now one of the things there, see that's just it, is that casting especially with those, I've got several, actually three of the old herders industrial which If you are doing resizing of cases, it is a phenomenal press. I have one of the later model herders, the powder blue paint, which is from the middle 60s. and that will do pretty much any all the way up to elephant rifle range casings. So, 700 nitro, 600 nitro, 416 Rigby, etc. I've never seen with an... I don't know, forgive me, I've not seen. I've never seen a shell holder for the 50 BMG for that, but I would assume it could be made. In this case with the Lees, obviously It has enough of a space with regard to the engineering that was built for the 50 BMG case so that you're going to be able to deal with easy access on and off from the show holder. That's the big thing. That's the other consideration is there are some dyes that were improvised and the waste improviser modified the press, but this is 50 caliber specific, which is a plus plus. Also, if we have people who have other calibers, and we were talking about this in the earlier programs today, the 510 chambering is another one where that press will probably be a plus plus two. So this is a good thing. Go ahead and give that number out one more time, Butterknife. Okay, that's 1-800-243-3220 and the website is MidwayUSA.com. I'm going to I did not notice them when I was looking through. Okay, the reason I bring it up is we've had a lot of requests because we're always looking for more pockets of them. So Midway is another place. Give them a call, guys. If you need CZ-52 mags, the worst they're going to say is no. Okay, but on the other hand, they might go, yeah, we've got a pile of those. We just don't have any pistols left. Oh, good. Okay. Right, we don't have any pistols so we didn't bother to list them on the website or in the flyer or what have you. Exactly, and that happens all the time. One of the things we've seen is that many of these companies, remember what they have on the website isn't all that they have in the store. And not everything that they have in the store, or I should say not everything is necessarily what they have in the warehouse, which happens quite a bit too. So if you ask, they might actually make the effort to wander around a bit and go, why looky there! There's a box of those after all. We have actually done that with Frank with Maine Military. He wandered through a little bit and found some stuff that once they started moving crates and cases they found what we needed. He didn't recognize it or know what it was. We opened it up while I was talking to him on the phone. Oh yeah, that's what those are. That's right. We need more of those. So again, we are looking at solutions. Butter Knife, anything else real quick? No, that's it for today. Thank you sir. And again, keep us up to speed with stuff like that, especially ammunition people. We're going to have to start doing the search on a regular basis and helping each other out. We see it, we clean the shelves off. Thank you, better than I. You're welcome. Appreciate it, sir. And we are close to the top of the hour. In fact, we're only a minute away from the music here. Real quick, guys, the militia, how to organize and train a militia. Cost is $5 for the manual, 6 stamps, of course for shipping. Also PM10 which is $7 plus 6 stamps for shipping. That's the SOP manual. In addition to that we have the rifle, the range book. That's $6 plus 6 stamps. If you'd like a copy of these and you'll get a listing of others, we also have of course the anti-armor manual. That's $5 plus 6 stamps. the So that's another way for you to access them. We need to get these things out to all corners. Iowa, Nebraska, you guys are in high speed. I understand that. We've shipped everything out as quickly as we can. We've exhausted the latest printing in a couple of the books. We've already got the ladies at the print shop working on the replacements. They're already there. I've just got to go pick them up. So we're going to keep throwing them out as quick as we can. And you guys make a point of using the knowledge. Start training. You're the trainers. Start getting those other people into the classrooms. Review the information. Get these people squared away. We have a lot of work to do. And again, you can already see what kind of goofiness is going on with the election people. We're going to be ready right down. Yes. Now. We're at the top. We should hear the music any moment here, I think. Well, you guys are kind of... And we do. ...night? It is. Well, as always, God bless the Republic. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We're on the March of both day and night. And just as in the scene where this music came from, we're going to stand together, people. We're not going to let them put up any more of this nonsense. The criminals have gravitated to positions of authority, but that does not mean that they are either right or that they will stay in those positions or in charge. That's right. We're going to have to deal with it though. It means that you're going to have to object least to the body parts of the show. Thank you, Don. God bless you, Mark. God bless you, Mark.