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O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As Iowoki vanished in the mist from whence he came, his words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free and home of the free? Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is the Evening Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Kornke. And I'm Donald Butcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines and occupied territories West Southwest Central and Northwest Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on Liberty Tree radio dot 4 mg.com. That's Liberty tree radio dot 4 mg.com. We're also on We are on live 365 then go to Liberty Tree Radio. We are also on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations and UltraNet Technologies East and West of the Mississippi along with Alaska. High to all of our people way up there around Anchorage. Yes it is. It's 13 August you guys. That pegs at the middle of the calendar. So if you lean real close to your speaker, ooh that was crisp wasn't it? That was the first one going in the chamber. The slide getting closed. The well is full. The perimeter is secure. And you know it is Weapons Wednesday and Mark I've been itching to do this one because we've touched on this before. But you know, there are a lot of people that that makes them itchy nervous to have one in the chamber, you know. Oh, that weapon's in grade A, class A or whatever, you know, they have all these names for it, you know, from a broken down weapon to nothing. And you know, now it's got, you know, on up to, that's a loaded, so to speak, cocked weapon. Well, I'll tell you what, you know, you've heard it said many times, Skip used to say it and we've repeat, you know, I much like over the past, eight years ago in that seven year track there, Mark. I greatly enjoyed bringing your words to the hour. If I could come up with a quote from you and squeeze it in there somewhere, that kind of made me grin, you know? And on Weapons Wednesday, if I can bring some Skip Talbot to the hour, that's good. Now, Skip used to say, among other things, that a slow hit is better than a fast miss. Now, let's run out of a basic time frame here, and let's do it right here in civil time. Okay, you're sitting in the restaurant much like the oh, I hate to use that word But the classic tale the classic true story of the woman in Texas now. She's a congressman or a senator isn't she mark well think about this the person walks into your dining area and starts shooting people by the time you bring that gun up and click off the safety and bring it to bear and squeeze the trigger and Nullify that threat to yourself and all of those around you By the time, let's do it a different way. You get the gun out, you have to grab the slide, you bring the slide back, and even in the same motion, you're bringing the frame toward your opponent, and you let that slide fly, and he hears that. Now he's bringing the gun to bear on you. Which sounds like a better scenario, even if you do get the first shot off with a gun swinging toward you? Which sounds like a better scenario? And we can do it. For the rest of the hour, I can offer up scenarios like that, and you know it, Mark. different situations, I could do that for a whole day, sit here and tell you why you need to have one in the chamber. And why you need to, you know, I just witnessed someone trade away a real nice .357 wheel gun, I don't remember, I think it was a Smith & Wesson Mark .357 revolver. And the reason he got rid of it? Because it didn't have a safety, honestly. It didn't have a safety. cheaper gun, a polymer frame gun in a different caliber one that matches his. But you guys, how many times have we addressed this? You can feed your wheel gun almost anything. And if you're a hand loader, you know what I'm talking about. You can feed your wheel gun almost anything from a flat faced hunk of lead right down to something that when it's done moving out of the barrel, it's only half the size of the barrel. as far as, you know, the inside diameter of the barrel, the outside diameter of the projectile. But again, it irks me to no end to see that people get set in their ways. And you know where that comes from, Mark? That, oh, I gotta have one unloaded under my six cylinder, you know, my six shooter? That goes back to cowboy days. So literally, and we've talked about cowboy guns and cowboy arms, but that goes back to cowboy days and I know that there's plenty of wheel guns still out there, fully functional and ready to do everything that their owner demands of them. Automatically. Yes. If the owner is familiar with it. Now you might have a double action and you might have, you know, you might have to pull that, you might have a single action. You have to pull that hammer back with every time you pull the trigger. But now, well, gee whiz. since about 1902 almost exactly every handgun built in America has had a little, there's a little tang that slips up between the hammer and it only moves out of the way after the whole of the cycle function. So what you could do is load up your six cylinders, you know all of them chambers, 357 you could do this with your 454K sal if you want. You might not want to because the gun isn't so pretty afterward. And you can point it at the safest thing you can think of and you can hit that hammer with a five pounder. And that live cartridge isn't going to go bang. Because there's actual metal between the hammer, the little tang on the hammer, and the primer that blocks that. Well, I tried to show that to this person, but well, you know, it's a revolver and all you have to do is touch the trigger and it goes off. Where did you get the idea that this wasn't safe? That's the only thing I have a question. I know. I know. Is this something that he, is this some, I mean, I know some of our listeners, hopefully this isn't some goofiness that some fool has come up with and put into the most recent magazine. Oh no, this is, this is old and in revolvers, Mark. I'm talking about, I'm talking about the idea that he had to get rid of it because he didn't have a safety. Well, the revolver you had to sell. It's like, you know. This, I'll tell you off air who this was, but again, I did everything I could to try to talk this person out of doing this, Mark. The other thing that people, well, revolvers don't have safety, leads to that habit of keeping an empty under the hammer. Which is you've just shorted yourself one round. Right. And that's another point I'm trying to make here. You can short yourself one round in a revolver just as well as you can short yourself one round in a slide gun. And if you know what you're doing, if you keep that little dinky little thing in your pocket, if you know what you're doing, and you know there's a law that says you really shouldn't be inebriated and have a gun. And I really do kind of believe, you know, drunk, inebriated, intoxicated, under the influence, you know, three sheets to the wind. I kind of do believe that should be a good gun law right there. And I'm not one that sits here and tells you, we should put another gun law on, but that's one we shouldn't enforce. Because you know what? All your judgment goes away and you really shouldn't have a gun right then. You know, if that's what you choose to do and that's where you want to be, well, leave your gun at home. If you know what you're doing and you're paying attention, you know, think about the Mississippi Gambler guns that were just little dinky little pocket Derringers with triggers with no guard. And you know, if he was a sensible man, both of those Derringers were loaded. You know what I mean? Yeah, he was his single guy. Trust me. Yeah, yeah. Now, you know, you don't want to just reach in there and fumble around and bang. I saw Clem shoot his kneecap off. You know where I'm going? But think about the time frame, the Mississippi River boats, the gamblers, the Civil War, and the time unto the turn of the century. And now refer back to that safety feature known when it was first brought out as hammer the hammer. You could drop your revolver and have all cylinders loaded, and it's not going to go off, you guys. If you know what you're doing and you're paying attention, don't let anybody else get a hold of your side gun. It's going to go off only when you want it to. I mean, you know, I have people, Mark, this 1911 you hear at the front of the hour, you know how many things, Mark, and you do know how many things that have to happen, how many mechanical actions have to happen before that hammer's going to move. Well, they call it timing, by the way, because there's an internal timing. There's a series of ratchet mechanisms that have to operate precisely in order for the weapon to work properly. And by the way, it's still true with an automatic, even though You know, some automatic pistol, even though the parts have changed internally, there are still timing issues to include sear, etc., that have to be taken into consideration. But timing on a revolver, of course, involves a combination of the hammer and indexing the revolver cylinder. Yes. That's the one piece where if somebody wants to start working on revolvers, you can get in trouble, you guys. If you want to totally disassemble a wheel gun and put it back together, you can get in trouble there if you're not paying attention to what you're doing. It's kind of simple, but I don't want to even go into it right now. If you've never taken a wheel gun apart before, I mean not down to nothing, there's every spring laying right there, you should pay attention when some of them come out too. I'll tell you that. But get a front, someone who's done it before. Sometimes it's easier to take a slide gun apart down to basic service. You can go over and mark you can attest to this. A basic clean on a slide gun is really not that much harder, not that much more complicated than cleaning out your wheel gun. If you can put oil on a rag and move it through the barrel, well, you can clean your slide gun too. But now when you start talking about different assemblies like trigger groups, you get into a whole different can of worms into a certain extent. Many times, you know, it almost has to be assembled back into the gun itself. And, you know, this is a broad brush statement. A lot of times it has to happen in a slide gun, too. But it's not like it's just going to fall right out like it will in a number of rifles. Now, one of the things, too, with regard to, you know, shall we say, losing a round, with a revolver especially. Revolvers Well, again, by the very nature, first of all, we don't pull the trigger. If the hammer is down, that's the safety. That's all that's needed. Typically, many revolvers, of course, well, initially, many revolvers were single action. You actually had to pull the hammer back, lock it into place here, had to make contact when you pull the trigger, everything's released, and come pop. You get yourself a bullet down range. Double action will address the issue of speed, trying to get another round out faster in a quick draw scenario or a fast draw scenario where time is critical. Revolvers are very plus plus in that respect, so it's a matter of what mission each of your handguns has. Now I know a lot of people have revolvers and thinking I want to get rid of them. No, no, no. Guns are for buying, not for selling, period. I don't care what it is. I don't care where it came from. I don't care what model it is. If you have a rifle, pistol or shotgun right now and it's in an oddball caliber, you go out, seek out the ammunition, make sure you've got some for it on the shelf. A couple hundred rounds would be nice but at the very bare minimum for any of these oddball arms up to date you haven't decided to really keep in the field or keep prepared, Go pick up 100 rounds or whatever you can that's cheapest so you have some bullets that go in the weapon. It's another firearm you can hand out. It's another firearm you may have to fall back on if something happens to all the others that are in service. It just may happen. Again. Better that than somebody standing there with a fake or a piece of wood or a sharp stick and some harsh language because you know a one bullet in the right place will kind of help you out quite a bit. Oh, yeah. Again for security operations rear guard or internal base operations where you know you need to hand weapons out you don't have enough to go around more people are there than you have weapons for. These are garrison rifles. These are designed to give you enough firepower to defend. It's not an offensive weapon, it's a defensive weapon. So any of it, I don't care what it is, even your cap and ball, black powder pistols. Hey, better sick, capac, capac, capac, capac, capac. than a sharp stick in harsh language. You give me a black putter cap and ball pistol and I'm going to pop you. Within 50 yards, I guarantee I will hit you unless there's something really funky going on with that pistol. I'm going to find out what it's doing before I play with it anyway. So solutions. The idea is make sure you have the munitions on hand. But with regard to revolvers, guys, If it's a modern revolver or even, you know, again, modern revolver go is we're talking from World War II on. Actually, we're talking from pre-World War II on, but let's just say with metallurgy and everything else, the only other consideration was metallurgy because of, you know, new hot loads that people came up with. And even there, some automatics can't handle stuff like that either. In fact, let's go up into modern times. The Glock is a very hyper-sensitive pistol, and that's a brand new polymer gun. It's very sensitive to anything other than factory loads. Think about that. To factory standard, you can't go up in pressure, or she has a tendency to get a little persnickety in the Glock. Well, no tiki no washi. OK? All kinds of failures have taken place with reloads using little higher than minimal spec ammo. The Glock is designed for low range spec ammunition. With the revolver, you don't short yourself around, you just make sure you understand how the weapon works. As far as safeties go, the safety is, well, actually, here's the thing, the Glock again. What's the safety with the Glock? Don't touch the trigger. I mean that's the truth. You know, think about it. There's not even the pressure pad on the back like there is on my 1911. No. So, uh, for everybody who's going, oh, I gotta get, well, what, what safety is there with a revolver? Well, the safety is don't touch the trigger, but still the hammer has to strike. It has to be, you have to go through the cycle by pulling the trigger in double action and the hammer will then fall, the safety bar drops, kapok, you get around downrange. It's awfully nice to be able to do that real, real, real quick without any other secondary actions. If something might be upon you, you have to turn or you just turn with your body, clear the weapon from leather and puck. Pull it into the target. Then step back away from the target and puck another round. Or if need be, puck a third round. And then very quickly, you better be looking for the follow up because if there's one, there's probably more. Okay? Now, it might even decide who. Whatever that thing is running, it might be kind of nice for me to carry what he's got. So you may not continue with the revolver, you might actually switch over to whatever the bugger was carrying, but that depends. Again, you're familiar with the revolver, you're familiar with the personal arms, think that way. But I would not get rid of a weapon because of the issue stated, nor would I worry about not dropping a full cylinder into the weapon. I have never had a misfire or a discharge or an accidental discharge, any modern revolver or if that matter, with any older revolver like that. And by the way, we run some pretty tired Old 1880 and 1895 Bulldog cartridge guns guys. Getting kind of loose on the specs there. We use them for wax bullet training we have for many years. And trust me those are sloppy but they still work. Now those are direct hammer, those are direct firing pin, direct hammer. And you can actually see the difference. Go to a gun show, take a look at a lot of the antique arms. Compare the difference between the modern revolver configuration and many of the pre-1900 revolvers around here. You will actually see in some cases where the firing pin literally protrudes into the cylinder wall. Coming out from the cylinder wall you can see it. Now that's with some of the older designs, but in most cases even those designs had a bit of a standoff. In other words, They've got just enough give with the spring system, the way it's set up, that they will strike and then recover just enough to be flush. It depended upon the year. That's another design feature with the next step up from exposed hammer, exposed firing pin, making direct contact with the cartridge case, with the primer itself. But many little things to learn. Number one is remember guns are for, I will repeat that again, guns are for buying not for selling. I'm not trading. You do not trade anything that you have right now for anything else. You save up and you get more of something because you will need it. It is that simple. You will need it. I'm going to repeat it again. You will need it. And again, that's like gas masks. You know, guys, we can't make them out of sand. We can't just, you know, shovel things together, pat a few things here and there, and unka, wonka, unka, ooh, dance around the pile of sand three times, and wow, we've got ourselves a firearm. Yeah. Doesn't work that way. Magic 357 there. Yeah, magic 357. Unka. You know, yeah, I don't think so. So again, other ideas with regard to the weapons like that. Remember, if all else fails, you're looking for a firearm. Here's a consideration. A lot of people are thinking that they are going to put a cache of weapons away, or they've wanted to. If you have a weapon and you're going to say change to another, well gee, guess what weapon I might put into my weapons cache? The old one. There we go. Look at that. Also the simpler one of the two. Remember, it's like the bolt action Moisins and the guts. They're beautiful cache arms. The ammunition comes in steel tins, the rifles themselves are easy to store. Now wouldn't it be nice to have a .357 revolver sitting there? Wouldn't that be nice? Or an old, say, mounting high power or KG9 or whatever else you got laying around that needs to be put away to be just stored. Well, you might as well store it in your secondary site. And Don, we know that like with a revolver, if we're going to store a revolver in a cache, how would we want to do that? Well, we might be in a hurry, right? Yeah, this is true. But if somebody might be on our tail. If you're building it, much like we talked about building a pack earlier in the day, you want a handgun on the top of that. You uncork it, you uncap it, you unscrew it. There is a gun right there. If it's a semi-auto gun, well, you know what? If it's long-term storage, I don't know if I'd want to send one down the tube, but if it was a revolver, I'd even send one down the tube if it was a little bit greasy if needed, if needed, if it was a revolver. And there's basic physical reasons why, but you know, gee whiz, a gun right on top would sure seem like something good to have if you're going to a cache, because it's probably because you got nothing left. And somebody might be not too far behind and you really don't want to have to talk to them. You'll be dealing with them. I got some gold down here I'll give you. Just about that time you hit the bus door to cross your face. Now it's here gold. And everything else. Now a little quick trick there. There are a number of lubricants that you can use. For instance for a weapon like that. That it can be properly stored. So it can be in a nice container where it is easily secured. Example is a 30 caliber or 50 caliber ammo can. They're airtight. But there are basically wet lubes that are not necessarily cosmoline or heavy grease that will permeate the crystalline structure of the metal and actually will stay with the weapon for a long, long, long, long, long, long time. One of the advantages is that just as you said Don, if need be what you do is you have separate from that lubricated weapon in whatever container or if it's in its own ziplock bag would be your best choice. What you do is you have another package right off to the side with loaded speed loaders. That way what you do is you pull the weapon out, you grab the speed loader, insert speed loader in a cylinder, twist, close the cylinder and pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Guess what? There's no speed loader right there. And we've got a rifle, go get it. Yeah, that's right. The idea behind this is that if you have a cache or a secondary site and you have to maintain lubrication with the arm, Remember that you don't leave it loaded because the lubricants, if they're long-term storage lubricants, typically will permeate the point where the bullet makes contact with the case and will permeate the primer. Now it may either soak the powder or it may deactivate the primer if you have lubricant. That's why we do not lubricate ammunition. That's right. Now that's a basic rule across the board. We take a dry rag, we clean off all of the ammunition we have, we make sure that we wipe it down every once in a while, and this is part of your maintenance procedure with regard to any of your weapons when you're in the field. Most people think about dusting off the rifle or if it's gotten wet wiping down the rifle, but they don't think about the idea that they got 10, 20 loaded mags, and what's happened is you've got moisture down inside the magazine. Now the magazine looks so canny outside, but it may not look too healthy on the inside if you don't do basic PM, that's preventing maintenance on a regular basis. That means dumping the cartridges, that may mean taking the base plate out of the magazine, that means running a dry rag through there, sopping up any moisture, making sure that there's no place that's collecting or starting to create rust. A little trick there by the way, of course it was a Smith & Wesson, I hope it wasn't a stainless 357. No, it was blue. It was a pretty gun. It might have been stainless under the blue, but I don't think I'm a man Probably no, I think it was just straight on us That's the thing if you know was it would be very obvious the thing about that is those are the perfect cash weapons Yeah, if you got a model Smith and Western model 65 or 60 got worked Yeah, that eliminates a lot of the safety issues guys. Yeah with regard to maintenance on the weapon I mean you need to guarantee that still stainless steel rust, but it takes a lot longer to corrode While we're on that subject, how about a stainless steel Mossberg? Oh yes. In fact, I kind of pointed somebody towards that when we were down in Austin. The idea that there's a lot of stainless steel guns that are available. 12 gauge Mossberg in stainless, Mini-14 in stainless. They even made car beans in stainless. They were made by Plainfield. And stainless means Minimal maintenance, or at least again, moisture is not as much of a problem. It means your environment, no matter how salt sprayed or moisture sprayed. You've got more time before you have to do extensive maintenance because metal allows for a more forgiving time span between maintenance efforts. So stainless weapons do have their niche. Now, in combat, of course, or in the battlefield, the good thing is that they went with brush mostly, so they weren't really highly reflective. But stainless still is light colored. So if need be, in a battlefield situation, you break out the old 99 cent can of flat black paint and here and there to break it up. We're going to go to break. We'll be back in about three minutes here on Liberty Tree Radio. To a marching drum we'll win the war and play the toll Our fighters are won in heart and soul Midnight man blood, red rune the intelligence report and you know rapidly becoming one of my favorite songs on the hit list don has to have you know if you had an ipod he'd probably have that in there but he's just a 20th century guy well hey you're tuned to the intelligence report liberty tree radio and uh... weapons wednesday we've got I'm still breathing. Thanks for asking. I get to get out the rest of the answer. That's a gift from God. You keep doing that, Don. To the best of my ability. I have a few shopping items. I've been sniffing around and receiving junk mail and other such things. I figured I would call you guys and call your attention to a few items that are available fairly cheaply. What you got? Well, the first one is Harbor Freight. We all know Harbor Freight. Probably quite a few of us get their little newspapers in the mail on a regular basis. They have a sale running, as they almost always have a sale running. This one goes through August 25. And there are a few items I noticed in here that people might have some interest in. One of them is they have a three brush set. Now these look like toothbrushes, but they are much bigger than you would want to put in your mouth. They come in a 3-set, and one is nylon, one of them is bronze, and one of them is steel. These seem to me to be awfully useful, and I have a couple of dozen of them. I would recommend other people pick these things up too for ordinance maintenance use. At $0.59 a set, anyone could pick up a dozen of these. Yeah, I think they're an excellent buy at that price. I do not think they're an excellent buy at the usual $3 a set. But at $0.59, grab a handful of them in the store if you happen to be by and just salt them away. Because while I may like the dollar store toothbrushes, these guys will hold up a lot longer and will dig stubborn stuff out of corners a lot better or put up with the abuse involved in doing that. Next item, a while back Mark was talking about hunting for tarps and discovered that camo tarps in his area were not available. Well, Harbor Freight does have them. I do not know if this is really a sale price. They may have just included it in the ad at their regular price, but they do have them in stock and they are available in sizes up to 11 by 15. Now, when they go through the descriptions, they talk about the thickness of the various colors, and they range from 3 mil for the green all the way up to 11 mil for the heavy equipment style, and they don't mention the thickness of the camo tarps. I don't think that's accidental. I imagine they're a little on the light side. And polypropylene is a little bit noisy in the wind, so we all have to be aware of that. They're not going to be an excellent replacement for shelter halves and so on. But for certain utility uses, this is a vendor that does have these available. What was the unit cost on the camouflage ones? They run up to about $15, I'd say, for the large ones. That's not as good as it was. I would have to flip through and find the exact page to give you a rundown. But they're not expensive. Therefore, I would suggest they're also not very super heavy duty. But they are available in a woodland camo. and that's becoming less widely distributed. So I thought I would mention that they are a vendor that's alive in that area. Harbor Freight also has another item that's a little bit unusual in that we may not think about these things very often, but they can be useful for utility repairs. They're running a sale on their little grommet kit. This is the princely sum of $4 for a kit with the necessary tool and maybe about 50 or so half inch grommets. Now grommet kits tend to get very expensive as they get larger. But the smaller sizes like this are quite inexpensive because it's a small diameter tool. It's just a lathe turning. And you will want to use a hammer and an anvil of some sort to whap this in. But if you have canvas to be repaired, duffel bags with something, you know, torn or cut or whatnot. These can be a useful tool for repairing some of that stuff. You can even put in a grommet in a place where there wasn't one previously as a means of repairing OSA backpack, web gear, any of that sort of thing. So at $4 I would say you can save a few dollars if you pick these guys up on sale. Oh, another thing about grommets, you guys, we were just talking about tarps. One of the ways to make your tarps last longer is to double up on the hold downs. How do you do that? You put grommets in. You bet. And there you go. Or if you're patching something with a piece of material, you sew it in thoroughly all around, and then you've got a nice solid patch of material. But wait a minute, there used to be a hole there. Well, OK. We'll put a hole in a grommet in, and now it's almost as good as new. And again, you also patch and reinforce the supplemental material if need be, depending on how it's, if it needs to be physically repaired. But the grommet is the key to the whole thing because that works as a final connector to hold all the replacement or the repair in place too. And if you have to do something nasty in the field like poke a hole in a piece of canvas to get a tie through, well, by the time you get home, you'll probably made that hole a lot bigger and it'll be messy. If you can put in a grommet in there, that's what that's for, is to keep it from tearing. Now they have a couple of other items that might be of use. These are not particularly weapons Wednesday related. But they periodically run sales on cheap Chinese, well everything from there is Chinese now. But digital multimeters, volt meters, ammeters, this sort of stuff. Once again, they are running that sale and they offer these guys for three bucks a piece. They take a AA battery. I've got a few of them. They do work. They're nothing to write home about. But for vehicle maintenance, for instance, on an electrical system, that's the one tool that you need, really, to determine what's going wrong in an electrical system. At that price you can have one in every glove box, a few in an ammo can against any sort of EMP event, so on like that. They are a useful item to have around. I would suggest anybody that wants to keep a technological base running should have a half dozen of these things, insult them away and sprinkle them about. This makes for a much more expanded repair kit or also just general maintenance kit. You don't have to run to someplace else to find it. For $3 you're also not going to cry if you lose it or something gets damaged either. So it won't be that bad. It won't be a major trauma for you. Correct. And if the battery runs out on one and you've got another one in the other car's glove box, well, that one's probably okay. Things don't fail simultaneously. They fail one at a time. Unless you're in a movie, sir. Well, unless you're in a movie in which case everything goes... And the alien will grab you. The feller fell off and the shark knocked a hole in the boat and then here come the Japanese zeroes and... And so, in a lightning storm. That script is not likely, but it's the one they'll use for Hollywood. The reality of a different story. Things happen at random. Yeah, and then the door on the weapons lock are jammed and you can't get through the lock and you drop the key and so on and so forth. Yeah. And the next thing you find is your arm rolling around with the dinosaur bite on it. Oh yeah. Forgot we were coming back from that island. That's right. Before I forget, let me make a comment on Don's opening mention. He was talking about wheel guns. Earlier in the week, Mark made mention of the Sabos. Remember that a wheel gun will eat Sabos like nobody else's business. If you want a hypervelocity blaster and you're thinking about getting rid of that wheel gun, don't. I personally am not fond of wheel guns but I admit they do have some virtues and eating just any funny shaped thing that you want to stuff in them is one of them. It's only limited by the size of the chamber. And the imagination of the operator, yes. Yes, right. Okay, I was doing a little bit of telephone chatting recently and I spoke with a vendor that you have mentioned on the air in the past and that's Hi-Tech Ammo. They have a website at hi-techammo.com. I was calling around to see who all had 30 caliber since we have heard that 30 caliber components are starting to become scarce. These guys have M62 bullets. They are poles from .308, so they have a can of lure in the right spot for .308. These are tracer rounds, not my favorite. But if the price is right, I can live with them. The price on these guys is $60 per thousand or $175 for $3,000. They say they are unmarked. They don't have the pull cuts on the side that some pulls do. They were originally orange tipped, but the orange is gone, so you might want to paint them again to keep track of what you've got. But at $60 per thousand, that's an available resource. They also have boat tail match 168's and 30 caliber, and those are the more conventional $150 per thousand. So if you compare the costs there and say, well, what do I have available for cheap utility components? I don't think you're going to be able to beat the $60 per thousand price point on those guys. No, that's good as it gets for a 30 caliber bullet right there. Right, they said they had quantity in hand. I asked them if somebody called up or walked up to them and wanted $20,000, could they do that? And they said, no problem. So there's some inventory there. They also have accurate arms 3100 powder apparently in quantity. They say that's not pull down. They say it's new. I looked that up in the reloading sheets and that's a general utility rifle powder. Medium speed should be fine for 223 up to 308. I do not know if it reaches as far as 0.06 or a 300 wind mag. I will leave that as an exercise for the student to haul out the old reloading manual and find out. But it's definitely usable in the mid-range. At $80 for an 8-pound jug, that's a gallon jug, that's hard to beat also. So one of the other things that they had at the site, at the very bottom of the web page, They have a couple of reloading manuals that I would recommend everyone get. I don't know what they put them at the very, the very last item listed in the columns and you go way down to the bottom. And this gives you the spec sheets for all the basic military ammunition and their end its loadings, US military, and also ideas with regard to cross referencing with other powders and such too. So if you get a chance, high tech has the technical data. I've been trying to get everybody to buy a set of those. because the more we have out there the better off we'll be. Somebody wants to scan them and then regenerate them and shoot them out with other documents, fine. But then turn around and make a physical copy of them ASAP so you have a copy of the book on the shelf. Books, there's two of them. These are definitely worth having. Anytime, just like you said, but you know the idea is to be able to refer to old text. Never throw out reloading manuals. Always save any data that any company sends with their components. Put them on a sheet or put them in a see-through slip-in type binder insert like you see for 8.5x11 sheets of paper and put them in a binder and collect them. You may not use that data right now, but there may come a point where you come across certain powders or certain ammunition types and components where you need to figure out what is this. And this gives you a chance to, once you do figure out what it is, or if it's something odd that you got a, you know, an eight gallon, I'm sorry, an eight pound container, but it's only got two pounds left in it. Well, you aren't going to throw it away. And, you know, excuse me guys, we're going to use it until it's gone. In fact, we're going to make a point of trying to stretch it as far as we can. Sure, we'll run off 300 rounds of something. That's right. 300 rounds more than you had before. Yep. And so all these old powders or all these odd powders, I go through the shows, I've gone through this for years, as long as, as far back as I'm going to gun shows, I would go through and I'd buy up every odd can of powder like that. Then what we would do is we'd have that as research powder for testing or evaluating new loads or new ideas, something we'd come up with like the discarding SABO technology or AP penetrators. Or let's say that we wanted a fast burning powder and we're experimenting with an exploding warhead type thing for a small 380 Auto. We actually did that. All the components that are needed came off the shelf from junk, from other tidbits laying here and there. The best powder to use in a jacketed hollow point that's been bored out to a larger diameter, the charge was actually EC blank 3, or any of the EC blanks. EC blank is what's used in standard US military rifle cartridges for blank cartridges because they have to have a sharper report to cycle the weapon, they have a faster shockwave because there's no projectile. Right, you don't have anything to push against. Right, but the interesting thing is that EC blank was also used as a standard powder for many of the US military grenades of World War II. So it behooves all Americans to save all the blank cartridges they can. Wait a minute. Not many people thought about that one, did they? Well, we of course would not do anything that the baddies would not approve of while they're in their offices and telling us their opinions. But we need 21 cartridges for a funeral ceremony and they need to be blank cartridges. That's correct. And who knows, there may come a day when all those guys go home and decide to count their money instead of bothering us. That's right. So again, creativity through the use of resources already on the shelf. There are different powders for different missions and the prices they are quoting right now with high tech, the one you just gave Dave, especially with the other technologies that we are tying in, like I said, $60 per thousand for 308 projectiles, even if they are tracers. Hey, you know what you do with the tracers? Your squad leader has a whole magazine full for one reason. If you run into a situation where he sees something he wants to draw all fire on, that means he's going to draw a fire, but the idea is it may be a crisis situation. The team leader will carry a magazine with a full magazine of tracer. It can be 20 rounds of .308. It can be 30 rounds of .223. But he drops the mag in and when he fires on something, what he's telling you is all fire. That's right. Everybody there, because if you don't, we're in trouble. That's called marking the target. That's right. Everybody puts the rounds down range into that target area, and then the squad leader, once he's dumped those 20 rounds, he's right back to whatever else he's going to use. There are other techniques for, again, marking or painting, and the tracer works for that. Now, some people will say, well, as the old saying goes in Murphy's rule of law, you have to work both ways. That's right. You can follow them back, so always remember. The good thing is it's orange trace. Now orange trace does not burn right from the muzzle. Orange trace is designed, we remember red trace typically burned from the barrel. The one problem you had was a real issue with copper oxide and other corrosives that ended up in the barrel which meant you should clean the barrel as quickly as possible. One of the solutions to this was to retard and create a burn stand off that was longer so that the activating agent, the activating starter clip of magnesium, didn't burn until so many feet past the barrel. This did two things. It obviously reduced the amount of wear and tear on the barrels and oxidation problems there. And it also meant that it was just a tad harder to calculate exactly where that bullet came from because it wouldn't trace until it was approximately 50 feet to 100 feet away, depending upon reliability from the factory. and age of the standoff material. In theory, at least the tracer on should be more visible to the shooter than the shootee. So that gives you some asymmetry in that regard. So again, these will be the newer trace elements. Did they say anything about a problem with failure or was it just that they pulled the tracers? They pulled these tracers, these guys are not designated like the old number 2, 223 tracer that they had listed on their site at one point. They still have it listed but it's out of stock. A while back they had two flavors of 223 tracer. Those were both red. One of them said 90% will light and those are much more expensive. The other said 20% will light and those were dirt cheap and shortly after we put them on the air they went out of stock. I wonder how that happened. They went dirt non. $20 per thousand. Golly, you could use that for ballasting your canoe. The thing is with these, again, they should be very reliable. The other option is at the very least again, for other calibers, other cartridges, chamberings where you may want to put a tracer in place but you haven't been able to, this is your chance to load up, for instance, a 300 Savage with a tracer. This is your chance to load up 300 Wind, mag. 300 Weatherbeat, mag. Any of the other 30 caliber types where you want to put a tracer in place and of course keep the pressures appropriate for the bullet to chamber availability, space availability in the case. Here's now a solution for $60 per hundred. $60 per thousand. Guys, you can run an India 30 caliber bullet for any price like that right now. Bear in mind another thought. If you wanted to put a 30 caliber into a Sabo and feed it through a half inch gun, you need not be concerned about the tracer lighting up. The Sabo will stop that. So if you wanted to do some of those experiments, you would not be inconvenienced by the fact that this is a tracer. Yep, right. which is a big advantage. Now the other thing too is one of the reasons for the applications for tracer is not an incendiary but it will have an incendiary effect. So one of the things to remember is why it's spaced out obviously was for tracking with belt fed guns, still tracking again with even main battle rifles, but one of the other techniques is if you're working against a light armored or you want more against for instance mechanized forces with wheeled vehicles, you're looking at perforating fuel tanks. And a tracer will do a fine job of lighting up a fuel tank in a defensive or in an ambush situation. So here's a solution with regard to coming up with another way to neutralize, mechanize threat under certain environmental conditions. The advantage in fact if you get a chance go down to Kanob Creek, and during the machine gun shoot at night you'll have basically the equivalent to a convoy laying out in front of you there. They strategically place gasoline barrels, containers here and there throughout the convoy and when the tracers are fired in certain areas guess what, the fuel goes up. That's right, it's a great show, but in this case for your own use, this is an opportunity for, again, with some outer rifle for placement round use, or again, dumping so many rounds of ball to perforate, and the last round following through is tracer, that's why they did the spacing the way they did. Serves more than one purpose, not just for marking. The idea is that four or five good holes in whatever it is you were shooting at, and the fifth one turns out to be, or fifth or sixth, turns out to be a tracer. Well, that's probably just enough to decide that the fuel air mix is perfect and, boom, away she goes. Now bear in mind the two books that you referenced, Hi-Tech is offering those for $12 and $15 each, so a set of those is $27 total. That's cheaper than most single books on general topics that you might purchase. That's right. So it is not a huge expenditure to pick up one of each of those guys. And it's worth it. Go ahead and give all the spec information out again, butter knife. Well, let's see. Let me cover a couple of other things first, though. We'll remind you that flechettes are an interesting topic for 12 gauges. And these guys do have those flechettes. They have 1 and 1.5 and they have 1 inch flechettes. I would suspect that the 1 inch would be better for 12 gauge use. And those are offered for $50 for 10 pounds. Now, I don't know exactly how much 10 pounds is, it's probably about a 5 caliber can, but that ought to load an awful lot of 12 gauge rounds. The other thing that I discovered when I chatted with these guys earlier is they are in stock with all of their listed primers. That's large and small rifle, conventional and military primers, which are a little bit stiffer primer. and they do have their 50 caliber primers as well. So all of that stuff is in stock. The rifle primers are 110 or 115 for 5000. So we really do not have a lot of excuse for not having a box full of these guys on hand. If we buy any components at all, having 5000 of those It makes a lot of sense. For $110, it's hard to beat that. You can make your brass live a long time. If you really know what you're doing, you can reload the primer, but it's best to have them on the shelf. What's $110 worth of nuisance? Imagine fixing up 5,000 primers by hand and having about 5% of them not go and so on. That's just a lot of hassle. I'll go to a lot of trouble to save $100 but not that much trouble. Not if I get a choice. Right here again, the idea is it's factory. Wherever we can get factory to inventory, these are the perishables we've been talking about all day. Primer, powder and bullet. The case itself is going to be recovered and used over and over again. But the primer, powder and bullet. We can recover the primer and save it for remanufacturing later. We might recover the bullet if it's backstop shooting we're doing and we're firing in the same area. We'll mine the lead on the backstop area. However, in the typical combat situation, you're not finding pretty much any of the above. You may recover the brass. Or, at the very least, let's put it this way, the average person is not going to reload the primer, probably won't be able to recover the lead. So those three components, powder, primer, and bullet, are the areas that we need to focus on, especially for those who are looking at reloading and continuing to train troops. So it's critical that we have these components on the shelf, and this is part of our tactical reserve. We've talked about this. This is the next phase in operations. We've gone through and created a vast tactical reserve that is in reality our strategic reserve. The difference is we don't control it from any central point. It's spread across the whole of the nation. That's step one. Now, we need to be able to remanufacture whatever's recovered or whatever we can find, and we will be progressively manufacturing. That's step two. That's step three, that's the C-step so to speak. That's where we're going to be progressively into manufacturing. But in the meantime, we have a vast reserve of excellent material, factory produced, and we need to take advantage of it while we can. We really do want to push off the second and third phase as long as possible. There's very little comparison in the quality between what the factories can do now and what we're going to do, especially in the early stages of coming up with stuff ourselves. learning the art because learning the art is just like anything else. Steel and chemical processes are a skilled trade. You develop the skill. You have the basics always available, but you develop the skill. We kind of touched about that. The reason I mentioned steel is you got this plant in Pennsylvania where they decided to lock out the workers, brought in a bunch of inexperienced individuals, and they had five people dead within what, six, seven days. Now, the plant hadn't had an incident for over 700 days of any kind and even that was only an injury, not a fatality. Yeah, as they say, a learning curve is a beatch. That's right. And that's the whole reason behind it. Again, we've got to collect as much data as we can. We need to work and experiment wherever we can. See, that's one of the things I truly believe in. We were just looking at ideas for instance. Let's take the junk we have and what can we do with it the 223 case? There were lots of