March 19, 2008
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Mark Koernke discussed weapons systems and ammunition procurement on Weapons Wednesday, the second hour of his show. He covered .50 caliber BMG rifles, their deployment with support teams, and the importance of compatible ammunition and spare parts. The episode included extensive discussion of affordable ammunition options including 7.62x25 Tokarev, 5.45x39, and .30-06 rounds, with emphasis on buying ammunition first before weapons. Koernke also addressed military cleaning kits, magazine options for various rifles, and took caller questions about .22 magazines, AR-15 mags, .30-06 stripper clips, and wildcat barrel conversions.
- .50 caliber bmg
- ar-15
- ammunition procurement
- 7.62x25 tokarev
- 5.45x39
- .30-06
- ak-74
- m1 garand
- camp perry
- dcm marksmanship program
- stripper clips
- preparedness
- militia
- weapons systems
- reloading
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I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat and, speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. in home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free, in home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame You've taken Satan's number You've traded in your name You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm And keep our country deep in debt Put men of God in jail harass your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. Preserve our great Republic in each God-given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the midst of whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, dill the land of the free? one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, north, and gentlemen you are listening to us on we the people radio network at wtprn.com that's we the people radio network wtprn.com but you can also find us on libertytreeradio.4mg.com and We're on AM and FM major stations, AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, and ultra net technologies. Well, today is Weapons Wednesday, the second hour. We just had Dave from Sir Arms, and for those of you who had a lot of questions, I think we touched on all the critical subjects that everybody who is usually, you know, would come up first. These weapons, well, actually, again, this system, which by the way, the upper receiver that we're talking about is not a firearm. which means that it's just partened by the whole upper system, drop it on whatever AR you have in the way of a lower receiver, and it will work first time every time. Now, 50-caliber BMG ammunition, do a search on the web, go to 50 BMG ammo, and what will happen is there's a number of companies that are carrying 50-caliber ammo right now, boxer primed, non-corrosive, remanufactured ammunition and also virgin never fired new factory ammo both ways and I'd shoot either one to be quite honest. $2.85 to $3 to $3.15 a round which means not bad people go wow that's a lot but you know I have to relate this to you real quick. The American dollar has halved in value. Okay the Canadian dollar is on parity with the American dollar which is unheard of it's part of the whole problem with our economy going in the toilet. It used to be you could buy ball 50 caliber for 75 cents a round all day. Yeah, but that was 10 years ago. That's not bad for a creep up when you look at a climb, when you look at the cost of ammunition otherwise. Now there are brand new loads in ball ammunition, just factory standard M2 military 50 caliber ball, which is still about $3 a round per buy, you know, round in boxes of 10, although I've been told there's some new boxes and, you know, five rounds per box. I know that PMC was bringing in 50 caliber and while people were lamenting about that a little bit in the past, now pretty much any 50 caliber will do, at least to have the basic components. And PMC does make a standard heat annealed case, brass, non-corrosive, boxer primed, M250 caliber round that matches up, it's normally used on the Browning 50 but it can be used in any other 50 calibrates out there in the standard PMC commercial boxes. There's a lot of stuff laying around out there in the half inch that's available. The other thing that I really like, and this was an intelligent move with regard to everybody in the industry and in the competitions, coming up with the newer Wildcats that are a hair shorter. Now, I think what we need to do is come up with a third Wildcat, which is something we'll talk about off the air some other time, but a third Wildcat, shorter still. You see where I'm going with this, as the case wears, the case isn't necessarily worn out. unless there's a base case rupture or a fracture along the extractor line, which happens sometimes as well blow out when rounds get really tired. It would be possible for you to wildcat reload that to probably two different steps. before the brass would have to be converted over to something else. And then if we were to be converted, one of the other options is to make a straight case brass 50 caliber 12 gauge shell. A 50 caliber based 12 straight 12 gauge shell. The Navy did a research program with this years ago and actually came up with a dual tubular feed 12 gauge shotgun that was based on the 50 caliber brass cut at the shoulder to create an incredibly strong and very reliable shotgun case. It allowed them to carry more pellets. It also allowed for greater durability with regard to and reliability with regard to loading. Also allowed them to bring the pressures up a bit because it was a solid brass case. And of course internally, when the millet is extruded the way it is with brass cases with rifle ammunition, the bases of the case are at the upper end of the shoulder where the throat is. So you're looking at a lot more wall there to work with and that's for reloading purposes. We won't get into that real big right now because again, this is, we're going to cover some other very general subjects here real quick. The .50 caliber half inch weapons fit a very, very specific niche for long range shooting. It is part of the integrated process with regard to effective infantry firearms that need to be in the hands of the general population to properly support our obligation as the militia at large. Now, we already have in the DCM program years ago and for many years, we've had the Camp Perry shoots with the DCM qualifications so that you can actually purchase an M2, excuse me, an M1 Garand from the government. This program is still in effect as far as I know. There were so many hundred thousand of the rifles retained even though Clinton butchered and destroyed most of the M14 inventory and a good chunk of what was left of the Garand inventory. They're still out there, they're a weapons store available, and apparently they may be accessing them from other inventories outside the United States. Now the way this works is you're actually, what you do is you go to Camp Perry, you, when you complete the classes, it's not just a shoot, you complete the classes which take place over the weekend. You can actually, unless something's changed dramatically, you actually can stay right on Camp Perry in the old, actually what were the old prisoner of war quarters. Most people don't necessarily know that, but there are these cool little cement block cabins and there's rows and rows of them. Well, what you're staying in is the old officers' detention quarters for World War II for German prisoners. They're still nice. They work just fine. And you can also stay off the facility. But you come in, you take your classes on the M16A1 rifle slash A2. And they show you how to use it. They show you its basic function. They get you out of the range. They familiarize you with the weapon. And then they also provide rifles for the DCM match that takes place the next day on Sunday. So this is a cool experience. But what it does is it gives you the points that are needed. to qualify for purchasing for a set price one time, one M1 grand per participant. So this is a way to get an M1 actually for a pretty reasonable price from the system, the powers of the beat. Now it does require a whole lot of BS paperwork, but if you don't have a problem with that, and if you're looking to get in the grand, this is a way to get it and to gain some experience on the range to give you a flavor for what happens at the DCM matches, slash the civilian marksmanship program matches, the way they're set up. Camp Perry is one of the traditional, kind of like the end of the season, the big run, the grand finale, where a lot of different things happen since the president chosen are from the season and also from the final matches. There's all kinds of good stuff that goes on. So this is a good experience for the young shooter and the older shooter alike. He's never been there. 50 calibers. Otherwise, one of the things to consider is as a support system is a shooter spotter, at least with the 50 to have at least one other person on hand. Now, when I say shooter spotter is in that he would also be security for the gunner. Why? Well, you heard what was being discussed here about fixating on a target. You're looking at targets out to, say, 1,800 yards. Now, that means that if you were looking at it just bare-eyed, you're looking at little dots floating around out there. But in the meantime, there could be things happening closer to you. So it'd be a good idea for you to have at least one other person working to assist with loading the weapon, and also to maintain physical security around the closer area where the 50 is deployed. at least one man I would say, but ideally a two-man support team combined with the rifleman himself. And this gives you an excellent combination, toting the ammunition, which isn't that heavy as he pointed out, as Dave pointed out at 18 pounds for the basic rifle, that's a nice little package. I mean, come on guys, the hog weighed 27 pounds, the M60, and everybody got a chance to lump that bugger around, okay? Everybody remember the M60 or the variants? I mean, come on guys, it's heavy. In fact, basically what we're talking about is carrying in by carrying one of these parrot 50s, you're looking at basically a BAR weight weapon. Now there's variations in barrel weight, but basically if you've ever handled or looked at a BAR, Browning Automatic Rifle, you're looking at these bolt guns weighing no more, but reaching farther. To support the weapon, well think about it. What would I arm the support team with since this is an AR-15 based system and I know it's purely up to you guys. If you've got MBRs like HK-91s, M14s, M1As, M1 Garands, go. One of the considerations might be to make the security team set them up with the same weapon system for two reasons. What would those reasons be? Let's think this through. The number one obviously commonality of ammunition. The guy who's the main shooter, if his backup upper receiver is an AR-15 H-bar, say an M2 H-bar, heavy barrel, then it'd be kind of nice that if everybody else's team is carrying the same magazines and ammunition, they can be interchangeable. But here's another consideration. I pick up my Ferric 50 and I put my receiver on it, my lower receiver. I bring it up to my shoulder, I pull the trigger, and boom, but I hear a snap or a crack for some reason. Now this isn't likely, and it's probably not going to happen. But you realize that something's not working right. You get the action to function, you load the next round, you drop it, you pull the trigger, nothing happens. Well guess what? You may have had some bizarre, now this is very, very unlikely, I'm gonna stress this, this is nothing that would be most likely, but rather than panicking and realizing, oh my goodness, the 50's out of service, think about this. If the other two men are carrying air 15 type rifles, don't I have two other lower receivers that I can go to if mine isn't working right? So without carrying any super extra tools, my little team of three men are both carrying all three of them should be carrying, forget the CAR 15, I mean it's okay, that's a good weapon for most people. But I got a guy with long range gun that reached 1600 yards. I want the most range out of all the other rifles around me, even if all they are are 223 rifles. I want two guys with A2 rifles with me. But I want AR-15 lower receivers there because if I do have a problem or there's something that's in question, I don't think something's working right in my trigger group. All I have to do is pop, pop, pull the pins, drop that. We cannibalize the next rifle in line, click, click. It goes back up, back on my shoulder. Now think about this with that upper receiver. With an AR-15 upper receiver, guys, you don't have to worry about reciting it. Once that system is sighted into you and you drop it from one receiver to the next and you bring it back up to your shoulder those sights are already set to go. Cool. That means boom and I can put the rifle right back into service even if there's a malfunction of some kind that I did not expect or if I just suspect there's a problem and I don't want to take a chance. Now here's the thing somebody would go well now my security man doesn't have a firearm. Eh, wrong. My security men and everybody that I know that I've trained are taught that you don't just carry your primary rifle, you carry a personal handgun. Now, how would we prioritize deploying that system? The third loader, he's going to hold the rifle. Okay, the ammo-bearer loader who's off to the side that's still spotting and observing, he's going to carry the rifle. The loader, the assistant loader, the number one man, He'll go to using the pistol because his first mission is to load for the .50 caliber rifleman so he can focus on his target. See how this works? Think the process through. How would you employ and deploy a system like that as things had to change? Well, this is the Intel report. We are on our first break, second hour. It's Weapons Wednesday trying to give you some ideas of how to use these tools that we have at our disposal. We'll be back in three minutes. Government is best, which governs least. Wake up and smell the fascism. Being in government means never having to say you're sorry. What part of unconstitutional do you not understand, George? In today's world full of tyranny and injustice, sometimes it seems the only thing we still have is our freedom of speech. Exercise your freedom of speech by purchasing your choice of hundreds of different Liberty Stickers, from humorous to serious at libertystickers.com. 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I don't want to even have a clue where the round came from if I have to put it down and it's something really big, mean and nasty. I think smaller and all black covered and nasty and nasty and you know has all kinds of wicked things attached to its person and might be a problem, okay? Well one way or another that pestle nuisance is going to be dealt with with a half inch round a lot farther out. Again the one more time www.terret50.com. You can give them a call or get hold of Dave right now. We know he's at the shop. so given ring hopefully he's there if not you get the mail in your own tomorrow but give them a call say he heard about it on the intel report you know you'll know you did the uh... other considerations uh... five four five by thirty nine i can i am harping on this for a reason people because there's lots of five four five out there unlike other ammunition there are two calibers now i've been telling this for a while eventually it's going to get to the point where we're already seen what's happened to two three with three oh eight Otzix is still reasonably priced by comparison to 308. So that's one solution right there. The M230 Otzix cartridge is a good solution. There's Greek ammunition in the 20 round boxes. Some, and if you have a 1903 Springfield or if you have a 1917 Enfield, or if you have a Mattson rifle. There's an oddball but they're out there. It was the last bolt-action rifle issued and adopted into service in the world. It was a new design. It's called the Mattson rifle. Some of you might have seen it. It's a unique design. It's its own system, completely freestanding as far as how it's built. Well, those rifles when they were in .30-06, the 1917, the 1903, the Madsen rifle, and many others, use a standard 1903 Springfield-type stripper clip. It's a five-shot guide, plugs right into the top of your receiver. There's a niche right in the receivers that was built to take these stripper clips. And what this does is it allows you to speed low Now, even if you don't, even if you have a scope on top, because some people have asked me, they say, well I got a scope on top of my receiver on my 03 or on my infield or whatever, you still, it's still convenient to carry your ammunition in those five round stripper clips because, guys, that's better than a handful of chicklets running around in your pocket going, jinkle, jinkle, jinkle, jinkle, you know what I mean, mixed noise. It gives you an opportunity to be shot by somebody who finds you by sound. They don't have to see you. They don't have to smell you, but they can probably hear you chinkling through the woods until you get a pretty good idea where you are and where to lob the next 203 round, okay? Now, those five round stripper clips fit really nice into a standard 1910 or war II knockoff of the 1910 type cartridge belt. The M1 Garand uses two stripper clips for the Springfield in each one of those pockets by the web system that matches the equipment you're using. What's cool, and the reason I bring this up, is that the Greek ammunition, some of it, is coming in the five round stripper clips in the bandoliers. Which means it's already combat loaded for your 1903 Springfield, your 1917 Enfield in .30-06, or your Madsen rifle, or even some of the K98 Mausers that are out there in .30-06. There are some that were military built. There are not as many as there are of the 8mm, but they're out there. So the stripper clip type ammunition that's become available from Greece is a good option. Take advantage of that. If it costs the same price to get it in 20 round boxes, de-clips. stripper clips get it in the stripper clips if that's what you take or get it in the d clips for your grand if that's what it takes however if you don't need either buy it in one or the other first because somebody can use those stripper clips or those d clips for the grand it'll be somebody that's an ally the last thing we buy out are the 20 round boxes buy the d clips or the five round stripper clips first make sure that they get transferred if you're not going to use them over to somebody else who will. See how that works? Okay. Now that's 30 at 6. The other two most common calibers of the cheapest out there right now is the 762 by 25 Tokarev round. 762 by 25. Two cans for about 210 to 220 dollars for a case. Now we're talking several thousand rounds of ammunition in two tins guys. So you're talking a whole lot of fire power, a whole lot of ammunition available for everything from training to defense in 110, let alone two. Now, that's cheap. There's also 545 by 39. Now I know I'm throwing a lot of numbers out here. So again, remember the archive covers this. You can go back and listen again. 7.62 by 25 Tokarev is a pistol cartridge. 545 by 39 is a light rifle, slash assault rifle cartridge that's used in the AK-74. The average price for both of these rounds is a little under or about 10 cents per round right now. Now you turn to all your other pages, you turn to all the other calibers and you tell me, well gee, you can buy three or four cartridges for the price of one of something else. Doesn't this mean that you should have a weapon in those calibers? Well yes, but here's what you do first. If you're listening to Mark, and remember so far we have not steered you wrong. If you were listening to us one year ago, We caught everybody out, we beat everybody on this. We knew what was going on, we already had the information from the industry, we had people from the industry up on the air. Now, they're still 5'4 5' and they're still the 7'6 2' by 25 pistol ammunition. Buy the ammo first. Buy the ammo first. Buy the ammo first. Get it while it's cheap. Spend the money you can on the ammo. Next, go out and look for the weapons. For the 7.62x25 Tokarev, you can pick up a Tokarev pistol, a T-33. There's a number of different models that are out there. Polish, Romanian, East German, Hungarian, Russian obviously. The point is that they all take the same mag people. They're all Tokarev pistols. All the magazines are completely interchangeable from one to the next. That means cheap mags when the time comes because there are places to find them. But the important thing is cheap ammunition. You buy all the ammo that you can get right now. You buy a Tokarev pistol or you buy a CZ-52. Magazines are available for both. The CZ-52 was the check answer to the Tokarev and it is a real...they're both beautiful pistols but the CZ-52 is a space gun. It's got sleek lines, it's real clean coming out of the holster. It's built, they're both built like a brick-dog house, but the checks over-engineer everything. They're really cool about that. And this goes way, way back to when they first started building weapons independently back in the 20s. You go back through the history books, take a look at the history of arms, take a look at the comments made about the check equipment. They always made good equipment. The problem is they made it so darn good it was expensive. And a lot of countries just couldn't buy it when they turned to look at the check weapons that were available. That's why you didn't see as many of them out there, because they were well-produced. Now, in the 545, there are AK-74s out there, mostly Romanian right now, though there's some Tantal Polish AK-74s. I don't know if they're making a Segan 545. I have not seen one yet. And I'm amazed that they have it, because they've got a 30 Russians, they've got a 223, they've got a 308. They would be crazy not to make a field grade, low cost, 545x39 rifle to offer to the US in a Sega design. It would meet every need for anybody out there that was looking for a light rifle carbine that they could hand out to somebody or use for any number of different missions. Here's the thing. The magazines are available. Ammunition is cheap. Our guns out of the Chicago area, that's the big R, okay. They've got 545 ammo in the 50-53 grain projectile. It's what you want if you're going to go with the AK because it's cheap. It's 80s production, mildly corrosive. You're going to have to clean your rifle. Gee, you should be doing that anyway. We're going to the bottom of the hour break here. I'm going to go over this a little bit more because we've got a few other things I want to touch on. 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Banistertravelgroupinc.com. Visit them today. It's time to think outside the box with your host Alex Anzore from 1 p.m. To 3 p.m. Central every Saturday right here on we the people radio network Gentlemen, we are back. This is the Intel report. We get a whole stack of callers here I know from across the country so we're gonna get to them but hold on for just just a moment Just one moment on top all the other things that are we're talking about today There's something I want to touch on and I'm gonna stress because we focused on certain things It's not just a razor. It's the blades It's not just the getting the initial, making the initial purchase, it's making sure you got everything else you need to keep your weapons functional. Right now, guys, there is a pon- I mean a whole bunch of some of the best quality cleaning equipment in military cleaning kits that has ever been available short of when the big stuff came out of World War II like the US-19, you know, the kit cleaning kits for the old three, the Grand or whatever. whole bunch of 30 caliber cleaning kits. There's the German HK manufactured in the green plastic bins, little green plastic, like little cigar cans. You know, HK, official HK cleaning kits for the G3 rifle. They're 30 caliber cleaning kits. They'll work on every 30 caliber you have out there. Okay. But they're very reasonably priced and they're cheap. You can buy a lot for very little. Now, Mark's going to give you a little hint here. They're surplus. Right now, there's a lot of them. What's going to happen is they're going to be dispersed and they're going to start going up in price. Nothing that is HK stays cheap. Nothing that is HK stays cheap. In fact, never has been cheap. I was looking at something here the other day. The HK91 magazines that are available, the G3 mags, guys, they were $45, $55, and $65 apiece in 70s and 80s dollars. They've only come down for a little bit because there's a wave of them that have come out in surplus. That is not going to last. When those are gone, and it ain't going to take long, they're going to creep right back up real quick to where they were before. Now let me give you another little quick example of this. There was what was called the Hakim rifle, an 8 millimeter Mauser. It was available in limited numbers because it was adopted in the Middle East. It was available in limited numbers just as the Gun Control Act of 1968 hit. The average going price in the 70s and 80s for that rifle in any form was about $2,000 in 70s dollars. For a short time, there was a price drop, actually because a bunch of them became available. And the Israelis went in, they invaded Lebanon, they captured all of PLO's equipment, they threw it out on the rent a revolution market and they let it come into the country. And those Luzhiman Hakim rifles were coming in for $65 and $69 a piece. I'm going to challenge you. Go out and see if you can find one laying on the table. Take a look at the price on them now. They ain't $69 no more. Okay? In fact, they're a lot more. That's a big hint. There are a lot more. Okay, it's the year 2008. Now, these cleaning kits, there's also a bunch of 30 caliber 762x39 cleaning kits, AK kits in the blue steel cigarette cans, slash cigar cans again. Buy what you can of these and pick up extras because it's the tool that you need. These are the tools you need to make all the rest of your tools work better and last longer. Why go and settle for second aftermarket or commercial stuff that's plastic or whatever or tired when you can get brand new military spec stuff that was built for the systems you're using? Okay, so I'm going to stress that we're going to go on to our call issue, but Think this through take advantage of the cleaning kits. They're a dollar apiece three dollars apiece 250 apiece you buy ten of them you get them cheaper you buy 20 of them you get them cheaper Go ahead and do that because it's going to be a big plus for you down the road and another thing if you're doing the 510 kits Even if you don't have a weapon for each person and you can get those cleaning kits dirt cheap Buy a cleaning kit and put it in each person's kit that you're preparing for for their for your reserve component either for your five-man fire team or your 10-man squad because these are tools that will be useful in the future. And I've said there, now we're going to go to our call as we got Rod in Texas first. Rod, jump in there please. Yeah, Mark, I'll be quick. I was inventorying my 22s and I've got a 10-22 and I've got, this was pre-ban six Randline 30 Pasadena magazines and I want to get some more And what I've read is only Butler Creek and Ram Line make them. Now Butler Creek has the little metal lip on it. You know what I'm talking about? Right, yes. Okay. What I found about Butler Creek is the polymer is more brittle than the Ram Line. The Ram lines are about $10 cheaper. You think I ought to just go with the Ram lines or half and half? What would you recommend? Well, the thing is the Ram lines have been around for a long time and I think they've pretty well worked any problems out of them. The testing I've seen, both of the mags are working. The problem is durability. I think the Ram lines might actually be good, especially if they're cheaper too. I just had a question answered like this today as a matter of fact. If they're just as serviceable and if you can mount them, and if you want to, you can do your own operations test with them. Grab one of each and beat the snot out of them. See what they do. Leave them abused in the trunk of the car for a little bit. Let them bounce around and then load them up and look to see what's chipped, what's chunked, and what's working. I would probably still, for the time being, knowing that Ramline is one of the first companies that did this so they've had a lot of experience. I would think the Ram line would probably be the better way to go and because they are cheaper more magazines for the money spent. Now, and I will add this though, I know everybody wants bigger magazines, but for some reason there's a couple guys that have connections. There's a couple of companies out there that have piles. I'm not talking a few, I'm talking when they go to Knob Creek they come in with bins the size of a refrigerator. And they will have a couple thousand in per box of the Ruger 10-22 10-shot mags. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that those 10-shot mags are reliable and they usually have them for a ridiculously cheap price. But if you look around and if you do a search in the system, in the computer, you probably can find somebody that will give almost as good a price. I would buy a whole bunch of the 10-shot mag simply because of reliability and the convenience in carrying. That would be the first, that'd be another direction to go because the Ram lines are a great choice. I've beat the snot out of those over the years. I've seen guys who have used them for a long time. The others, the only thing has probably been what it is is the chip that they use. You know, the Polymer chip? Yeah. Because there's different grades you can buy. And I've noticed that most of the companies have made this mistake. They've gone with a certain type of chip and then they've changed it because they wanted to cut corners because remember they were trying to produce more. And that was a mistake. That's what caused the problems for him. Ramline probably again because you're getting more for less. That would be your best choice. Okay, quickly. Tom from Brooklyn called a couple of weeks or maybe a month ago and said something about he knew. A place where you could get AR mags for $8.99. Do you remember the name of that? I think it started with an O. Yes, he's in fact I'll tell you what he might be listening. He'll probably call in for us in a second if we ask him to and if not I'll see if I can I can jump him on the phone here in during the break if he doesn't call in. How's that sound? Okay, thanks. Another one, now remember Centerfire has AR-15 mags for about that price. They've got in fact 20 rounders and they have 30 rounders. But you're gonna have to look to see what the present sale is. So if you want to jump them, go to their website CenterfireSystems.com and see what they have right now. Okay, and if I don't have that from Tom today, I will put it up on the air tomorrow. Okay, Ron? Okay, thanks a lot. Okay, you're welcome. Thank you. And we have Darrell from Pennsylvania. Darrell, jump in there. I tuned in a little late, but I was hearing you talk about 30-06 ammo. I just got a card in the mail from, believe it or not, civilian marksmanship program. Stripper clips for the brand and boxes or five-round. So they do have the five-round stripper clips. I'm going to repeat this again. Thank you. Those are for the 1903 Springfield and 1917 Enfield. For all of you listening, if you've got that, I'm trained on a Springfield, guys. I've used it for, you know, Bambi Killin' for years. The Springfield is a fine rifle known as whispering death during the Korean War with the 1903 A3, with a Smith Corona barrel or a Remington-Ran barrel, my twist, yada yada. Those stripper clips make all the difference in how much faster you can load the weapon. I also have their website. Go right ahead and give it out please. Okay, it's www.odmp.com. Excellent. Go ahead and give it out slowly one more time. Okay, it's www.odmp.com. Do they have a phone number? Don't see a phone number on it. No, don't see a phone number. Okay, I'll hold right there for a second because I got one more question. We still have Eric in California. We have Robert in Arizona. We're going to get everybody up on the air here before the end of the program. This is the Intel report. You got Mark at Weapons Wednesday. We got Darryl online. Eric and Robert in the wings will be back in three minutes. We the people, we're going to do a network. People who use CartaVite know about the pollutants in our body and want them out. For over five years, CartaVite has proven itself time-tested. Here's Dr. Mattson, a naturopathic doctor's thoughts on CartaVite. 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Oh there we have it I was hoping for it now I'll tell you what most people are not familiar with carbine stripper clips But light they're the mother of the stripper clip system that is used for the m16 rifle Except that on the m1 carbine every one of the font that at the 10 round stripper clips has its own magazine guide that clips right to the back of the mag and You take your thumb, you put it on the top round, grab hold of the base of the magazine if your hands are long enough, and drop 10 rounds in that quick. Okay, it's just that easy. Now, if it's a bigger mag, then a 30-round mag is a little different story. You just have to hold the mag, you put the guide on, push down, you've got 10 rounds. You do that three times, you've got a loaded magazine. Oh, that's an excellent solution. And that's ammunition. What's a curbing ammo looking at price-wise, did they say? Yeah, if I copied it down right, it was $249 a case. $4,000, that's not bad, and that's in the stripper clips, possibly in bandoliers or just in stripper clips? Yeah, I didn't- It's been a can in stripper clips. Excellent. I can't say for sure because I was- recent same time I was calling you. Remember, you know what, I would be really interested in that. I'm gonna let you go, Derek, because we gotta keep getting the other callers up here. But if you could, would you do me a favor and follow up on that and then call in tomorrow to let everybody know? Okay, we'll do that. That's something I need because the stripper clips and the bandoliers anytime you can you can grab it and it's in the combat package. It's perfect I'll do that. Thank you, dear. Okay. God bless and we have Eric from California, but I'll tell you what just before we bring Eric up He's actually he's a ruddy and poised Tom. You've got the information on the air 15 magazines give it a 7 magazine round 30 around 87 magazine 30 rounders also now the 40 round they make a 40 round a thermal magazines. They're very, very good. The number there is eight thermal magazines. I'll take you in a different direction here, but I just found out yesterday my son's best friend is shipping off to Iraq in August. He hasn't even graduated high school yet. He went into the guard. They gave him the standard lie, well, you're never going to country and whatnot. That's one thing. And this thing with Congress going behind closed doors recently, I got a little email, some possibilities of what they were discussing. Had to hide out when The thing about running to Mexico or Canada, which to me is like, well, if you run there, don't come back, if that's what they're saying. I heard just one of the arguments that they were giving, you know, are reasonings for things going to be, I haven't, I've been away from the, been able to get updated on that, but I'm just, I'm living in, you know, things are just exponentially happening. You know, economic guys are saying two years away, things are gone. It's going to be within a year. I mean, this looking at history, you know. Another thing, another rule too, is remember the job of most of these economists is to buy time for the racketeers so that they can get to the lifeboats first. Exactly. I actually know that they are just limping it along shortly before the election. Just a quick reminder Mark, what is the, what is the oh actually death penalty for committing act of treason uh... in fact they wouldn't hesitate to use it on any of us as we know if they thought they could whip something like that up but these are the characters who are directly involved in treason there's no that's the problem i have with us across the board i have never wavered in my support of the constitution bill of rights of the united states of america i will not be the first person nor nor in fact i will be the last person that leaves support of our form of government. I will fight and I will die for it. Now I plan on making the other son of a bugger die first. In fact, I plan on surviving it, but if I don't, I'm going to do my darnedest to make sure that the other side pays dearly for trying to destroy a sovereign nation that has done so much so that a bunch of sick suckers can, can, they can feed off the, they're not even a fat. We're not, we're talking about just what's left of the carcass that they've created. That's the sick part about this. These characters are typical. They're like two-year-old parasites. They don't know what's going on. They don't care, really, to a degree. They think something's always going to be there. You'll always make it work. And they've broken it. And it's like, I want more, though. I want more. And there's one word that we need to reteach those two-year-olds, and it's from our end, and it's called no. and we're not going to let them take the country we're not going to let them confiscate the land either bankers are going to do this eric that's one part of this a prime this right now this whole thing with the the uh... the bear hunt they just had was to shift the control over to a key group of people who were bringing it will bring in the foreclosure officers from outside the united states Remember what they said years ago beware for if you if you let things run rampant like this with the printing of money Eventually the descendants of those who created this country will find themselves standing out on the sidewalks in front of the houses that they owned that's paraphrasing Mark and we're here to do it here. Let me be you to it here Republic Thank you Eric. God bless. We have we have Robert from Arizona who is finally back here Robert jump in there you got it Oh Mark cell phone connection that was bad earlier. Sorry, I missed. My question is, does anybody who's made a drop-in barrel either for the ARFIT or using an Afghanistan? I heard they took us and nexted out PO-Acli spots and blew out the... Well, you know, the person we just had up is one of the men who could actually do that or actually move towards that project. Now, I've always thought, now, we actually could wildcat around ourselves. The most important thing is having the barrel blanks to make what you need. We've got barrel blanks here. That's one thing about the Air 15. There's so much good junk laying around as far as the raw components that it would be quick and easy to convert an upper over and an air upper is easy to work on. Where would you address that? The Mini-14 is so many of them out there. I would think of somebody that would have a D280 somewhere in that caliber. I think they would say Well, part of the issue there, and for people who don't understand, when we start bringing the bullet weight up, we're going to see better performance in general and greater stability at greater range. The most important thing with regard to the case is the issue of A, where to make the shoulder, what taper to use with the shoulder, that's all research. If we don't want to go with the existing design, the other consideration is the depth of the bullet seated into the case before it becomes detrimental, how deep we can go and still put a larger bullet inside that case, shoulder length, because the overall bullet length still has to match the AR-15 magazine specifications. That's one of the other restrictions. I don't want to... Now somebody's working on this because I just saw something on it that was sent to me, oh, it was a week and a half ago and I don't have it sent a pile to my right here and I can't get to it. but uh... that is an area where all see what i can do all check on that also because of the couple things we're gonna cover tomorrow even though it's not what was wednesday that came out of today's program so let me see what i can do for you there too Well Robert, we got everybody up on the air. Thank you for your calls and thank you for helping support the program and support the network, guys. Help the sponsors. The sponsors are helping so you can hear the program so you have to hear the two hours. Hear the two hours and then visualize them on the air here at We the People Radio Network. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. 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