January 29, 2008
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Mark Koernke and co-hosts Mike and Larry conducted a medical training episode focused on airway management and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). The discussion emphasized the psychological and practical aspects of emergency medical response, including mindset, decision-making under stress, and the importance of training children in first aid from a young age. The hosts covered airway obstruction, oxygen therapy, equipment sourcing, CPR techniques, and the use of tourniquets in trauma care. Callers contributed questions about COPD oxygen management, CPR certification, and the importance of basic medical training within militia units.
- airway management
- acute respiratory distress
- medical training
- CPR
- oxygen therapy
- tourniquets
- first aid
- emergency response
- militia medical support
- trauma care
- mindset
- preparedness
- ARDS
- medical certification
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I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. in home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free, in home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Both sons of the republic arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great republic and each god given right, and pray to God to keep the torture freedom bright. As I awoke he vanished in the midst of whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dill the land of the first woman. This is the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark quirky and I'm Michael Nasser. You will also find this out there, many other alternate systems, too numerous to mention because we're having some fun, especially with the guys and girls that have been helping with the alternate. Testing systems are up and online today. And I believe, if I double check this here, I've got to make sure the sheet's right, both Kenneth and Gillian. And also, let's see, and one more. I know there's another one out there. Let me make sure I get everybody mentioned today for change. and also, I'm sorry, Ron. Ron's out there working today in North Carolina and the guys and the girls are going to be doing a spike test. It's not as big as some of the other projects because we're just now working in some areas in North Carolina. They're going to take a lot more work to get them hooked up. But again, nonstop and I want to thank everybody that are part of our traveling crew running around this north-eastern part of the country and the southeastern part of the country to get the job done. Today is our medical Tuesday. We have Larry with us and we also have Mike, but one of the things I want to touch on before we get too far into, and first of all, I guess we'll ask this, Mike, what are we covering today? We're going to try to wrap up airway here today. One of the things I want to, before we go any farther, is something that we've, everybody has a bit of a problem. I've heard people express this, in fact, you talk about combat in much the same way, and it really isn't any different if it's an accident. Or if it's a fighting situation but mindset. A lot of people go, I couldn't do that. Or I couldn't handle this. Or I couldn't. And I guess, you know, one of the things that is hard for people to understand is to be able to set yourself. Have you ever, now Mike, you and I both, we under, you know, Larry, you've done this too. You've been on the road, on the highway. It's almost like it isn't you it is reality. It's about as real as it gets but it almost seems like everybody says surreal My problem is to know it's reality not surreal. It's reality. It's in front of you You're driving along moves the terrible car accident. You know, it can be a rollover somebody. You don't know what happened boom boom boom smack two cars head-on or you know You're sitting in the intersection and everything quite every possible thing goes wrong in front of you Unfortunately, your car is not part of it. Now. There's two groups of people Two kinds of people. Of course there's three actually, it's just like an ambush. There are some who run away or flee immediately in many different forms. Some of them just go, some of them go into catatonic brain fart, in other words that's the category two. Some actually fells together and respond to the casualties. But there is a point, and I know most people don't like to talk about this. This is true in a fighting situation. Most of it, if you're lucky, kicks in automatically. But sometimes your mind is accelerated through the whole process so quickly that you actually think, wait a minute, whoa, if I step forward, something's going to happen. You have to overcome that. And that's part of this whole mindset of making decisions and choosing whether or not, again, fight or flight, so to speak. Or as I said, the difference between fleeing from something out of panic and holding yourself together and having the proper mindset and setting yourself in motion. And there's a whole process to that, isn't there, Mike? Absolutely. It's the mind, am I going to do it? And a lot of times you study and you think you can and then you start questioning, oh boy, do I have enough knowledge? Can I do this? Can I do that? And all of a sudden you get into the situation, you just jump. An interesting reason to bring this up is because if you've ever had to deal with horrendous cash emergency situation, now obviously the training kicks in, but there are times I mean, I've actually had situations where for a minute there it like takes you back is the only way that's a term you hear written many times. But when you first, when you experience it, you'll understand really what the author is trying to get across to you is there's a moment where you look at this and go, oh man. Now either again, you have to actually take and grip yourself. And actually, that's the best way to describe it. So a lot of you when we're talking here, A lot of our medics, if you go to our YouTube site, we've got one of the medic corpsman sessions that's actually up there. And as the instructor is trying to explain, you may have a person who has no face, you may have a person who has no, you know, who's had a terrible injury. You have to stabilize yourself first. You have to understand that you're going to have to follow through on this. Remember that, you know, the patient may not even have a clue of their injury. So panicking or breaking at that point is going to do today. It's not going to damage you psychologically so much as it's going to perhaps virtually change the condition of the patient. There's a number of things that happen in a hyper-accelerated form in the mind that they take place so quickly you think, man, this took forever. But your mind is racing. There's a combination of the adrenaline rush, again, also shock, which is another thing. And you can actually traumatize a person verbally and put them into shock. just simply by not being able to control your own emotions in the issue. This is one thing where people say, well, that person is so dispassionate or whatever. Well, when you're walking into a situation where you have to put your arms or your hands into something where they're going to be in gore up to their elbows, you better start, you know, there's two points you have to shut down certain things intentionally because you have to maintain focus. And so I guess that's one of the real things that becomes an issue here is you staying focused on the objective. Now, as far as these people with the breaking down and oh my goodness this is so horrific, this is so bad, I think part of that is background training too. One of the things I intentionally did with my children is when it came to medical injuries, each one of them taught first aid at a very, very young age. In fact, as soon as they could start, okay, oh my goodness, it's a cut, what do we do with this? Instead of doing the, oh my goodness, don't look, instead it was, hey, looks like a cut, what do we gotta do? And treating it as, okay, it's like maintenance. It's like we've got to fix this. We don't fix this. Things get worse. Now, with my youngins that got to the point where I had major injuries, I had, they were actually arguing over who was going to be the first one to do the first aid. And, but that was good. Everybody did what they were supposed to do. They responded. They did not react. They have grown up and they have matured progressively with that type of background. stabilizing them and creating an excellent foundation for other areas of interest that they have had and how they have developed personally. And I've watched this. And all of you out there need to think the same way with the children, the other, your teaching that you're raising, so that they have this capability not to react, again, fight or flight, but to respond instead. And that's the key to medical support operations, is one person actually, and you do have to, here's another thing, uh... you have to take charge if you're on your own and you have to get all the old busload of casualties of the classic but we hopefully rocker and a busload of casualties but you don't know what's going to happen with the katrina if you got a bunch of people stand in there that are sitting there going uh... or shock and amazed well immediately what you do you pull them out of their stupor you get them to help because you don't have enough and all right mike yes employed them in the man cannot dwell right now that's again in militia formations what we do is again as we get the basic model is we take care of our own if a casualty is a litter case or the situation require support policy is one person out of the team for evacuation purposes is assigned to that casualty now hopefully you don't have more casualties than you do people still standing but the idea behind this is that standard operating procedure dictates that for efficient withdrawal of forces or for evacuation Each person is tended by another who is competent and able to do so, at the very least, is, you know, again, ideally is uninjured. This way the person can focus on that person's problems. The medic does the evaluation, he uses the issues at hand. Of course, the other person is helping, so he actually has seen what has transpired, ideally. And he has given instructions in dealing with the patients so the medic can go on to deal with others. And then again, you can also inform the medic if there are complications, something that was missed. Probably the best example is what you're gonna get into here, Mike, with the airway issue. Because the airway situation can crop up even after a person appears to be stable, correct? Exactly, that was one of the things that we're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about, in addition to the things we're gonna talk about, acute respiratory distress, or days later after. Again, I'm gonna let Mike take over because we still got time before break, forgive me. But I wanted to get into this about mindset because All of you have experienced it, even if it wasn't because you were going to be a paramedic or a doctor or a combat soldier, but there's a point where you run towards an accident and you can see that it's horrific. Now some people do stop and never move, move going any farther forward. But there's a point where you reach that almost like it's a bubble barrier. It's like you actually can feel the pressure that you've mentally developed where you slow down or you actually think you're slowing down. But what it is, is you're realizing, man, I'm going to have to, I have to face something here I might not really like facing. Well, you're going to have to understand that before you get into the situation. Be prepared to overcome it automatically. Focus on the task because our mission, especially in the medical support area, is to save lives. That's why we're doing this. We want to keep our people alive. We're going to make sure that we get as many people through the situation as possible. And it can be a number of events. One of the beautiful things about what we're training for, we're creating a deep cadre support system us not only to respond to somebody but to have trainers in place create a whole bunch of other people to help them the same way. So go ahead Mike, I'm sorry, please. Oh no, that's quite alright. I agree with you 100% creating the layers. So they're going to scoop the battlefield or out there, the evacuation, the evaluation, the when we build up until we're getting to themselves or not just you know throwing a band-aid on it and somebody and sometimes we're in a pretty deep information. It's kind of water and how the rings keep the gination, they're going to affect it. And if it's severe enough, it can cause damage in dry A, B and C. So another thing that Mark touched on earlier, A, B and C, and say things to somebody that affect the eventual outcome. So always be calm and airway bleeding in control shock. I hear the music coming in. Everybody grab your paper and pencil and we'll be back in just a couple of minutes. We continue here with Mark, Mike and Larry. People who use Cartavite know about the pollutants in our body and want them out. For over five years, Cartavite has proven itself time-tested. Here's Dr. Mattson, a naturopathic doctor's thoughts on Cartavite. In our mind, there isn't such a great big mystery to disease anymore. This basic tenet of yeast in the gut and metal in the liver covers at least seven to eight percent of the diseases that we see. When we do our program, you know, in herbal form is like Cartavite and you see someone who could barely walk up a hill now going for regular jobs. few months later, we know we're doing something right. It's a well thought out formula. I mean, the idea of it working on the East End metals both at the same time and liver function is dead on. 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Now the change in the pH or the alkali are immediately dampened by the interaction with your extras. The kidneys maintain your hydrogen ions on today. Sodium bicarbonate buffer system is of your renal kidneys of the major extracellular buffer shall be less than, shall be less than. And then it can also severe acidosis, it can cause a shock and it will mean build up to the epinephrine and the norepinephrine worse and worse. The rises in the CO2 level occur and the body can cause acidosis. Again, it's a pH of greater than 7. And this also contributes to the bottom where the oxygen is actually exchanged. Arterials and the arterioles and they're smaller and smaller. over to the other side and turns into veins. So you're going to get these of what had happened when we had too much oxygen. Excuse me, not enough oxygen. And then again, that's going to reduce your myocardial contouring of your blood fluid, even which can recovery, recovery demands recognition of every fact now about oxygenation or oxygen supported use that should be in the lowest concentration available. Trations of greater than 80% significant. and that's the meaning of the alveoli, the little, they look like little grape facae. It would be avoided unless it's really necessary for valve mass. Sometimes it's called egg and there's a couple of different ones. You have the ones and then they pop in another just kind of a loose baddies or putting it underneath a powder in a oxygen tank and a regulator. And under the oxygen tank, that's these great big ones that you know, containers that you can use to like in a purse or something. You might want to think of being a regulator to go with your O2 tank oxygen tubing. Another thing too is sometimes if your mouth is mouth greasing, that they're really breathing through those. It's much better patient and the moisturization of the person to breathe of their mouth. The other thing we're going to be talking about here is AR. Some of the things that we've used, it's usually by an acute ill trauma, you know, in chest wound or you can also have prolonged or profound shock, a fat embolism or from blood transfusion. I hear the music coming in. When we come back, we're going to continue trying to wrap up the block of instruction about the airway and if there's any questions, go ahead and call in and we'll try to do our best. and we'll be back in about three minutes. Here on We the People Radio Network, our call numbers 88202 1984. We'll be back. People who use Cartavite know about the pollutants in our body and want them out. For over five years, Cartavite has proven itself time-tested. Here's Dr. Mattson, a naturopathic doctor's thoughts on Cartavite. In our mind, there isn't such a great big mystery to disease anymore. 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Anyway, Mike, go right ahead and continue. We are talking about acute respiratory distress. Again, it's precipitated by acute illness or an injury that directly or indirectly affects the end. Before I go over, I know we've covered it has any questions of things on end now. The pulmonary that's the again that's the lining the sphilium or injured what happens is plasma and blood leak into the interstis and symptoms will usually start to after the injury days down the road. What you're going to have is you're going to have an increase initially that'll be a difficulty in breathing you know it's a rapid oxygen there on the explorations through the muscles between the ribs person is really starting to labor taking oxygen. The cyanosis the burning of the blue, the fingernails are around the little bit of oxygen support going to be a clear to this. When I hear any of the crap with your stuff, and to the people who did it aggressively in the urine out, but they should must be improved of the underlying causing the surgical drainage of the quite a few other individual listeners to the other. There's pneumococcus, somebody is sometimes if they're unconscious that they vomited and they inhale those stomach acids down into the lungs that can cause a type of pneumonia. Going to be covering a few of these other things like pneumonia and things. Be aware of the pathology, the etiology of it, but it's nothing that can be treated in the field. A general understanding of it. That person needs to be evacuated. The main thing, you want to get across your limitations. Now, sometimes somebody's not breathing in minutes. If you don't do anything, going to die. If you do something, it dies. If it's going to be an hour from where? For their treatment. So, and the suction and then pretty soon then it's built and then it's sometimes so, you know, you may have somebody that has a problem happening in the, between the oxygen and the CO2 and that was all pre-beginning by a correlation or something like that. Do you have any questions about this, Mark? Well here again, for instance, we're talking about different supply technologies. A lot of you out there may have to improvise. But amazingly enough, as long as you're not worried, for instance, the way that you can access seconds, and when I say seconds, they mean perfectly serviceable. They're just not rated anymore. Air to oxygen tanks that can be used for medical support. I've got regulator units. I think you made me think about this. I've got six regulator units that I got that were a donation from one of our allies. that provides medical support for hospitals and they have a lot of the hardware like this that it's otherwise it's going overseas for pennies on the dollar but instead we brought it into the Patriot effort for medical support projects here. Always watch for things that people want to get rid of. Example, a lot of people have relatives or friends who have relatives who have had oxygen therapy. Unfortunately, after a while they pass away. Well, guys, what all is laying around there do you think that's in the plastic, in the wrapper, brand new, never issued? You see how that works? In other words, it's already out there, already been paid for, it's already piled up out there somewhere. You need to keep an eye on that and make sure to remind everybody, hey, you know, that needs to go in another direction. Just in the oxygen therapy support technologies alone, you're saving a lot of money, or at least you're, again, putting an inventory up there. With most of these, again, we're talking about the immediate treatment issue, the better the person is, the more adept they are at evaluating the casualty, which is why we've done these programs. The initial procedures determine the progressive amount of maintenance required for each of the casualties, right? Oh, absolutely. And I'd like to add another thing. I know we had Alfie Omega on the other day and he was talking about some of his things. And you know, medicine is not an exacting science. And you know, at different times when we're all trained, we learn slightly different. You know, sometimes I've heard the A stands for airway and the second I kind of to keep it simple, I try to combine the A into airway. So If we open the airway and the person's not breathing, how do we really know that the airway is open? So I combine it that way. 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And we do have callers. We've got Duke in Ohio. Duke, jump in there please. Joe tonight, thank you. But the only thing I really had to add to what you were saying is, guys got to remember that if somebody has a co-PD, you really want to make sure for the oxygen that they don't, you can give them too much oxygen that way. Yes. Also, One thing that I do notice throughout the medics and stuff like that is quite a few of the guys in some of our groups really don't even know basic CPR. I know some of us, you know, some of us are ACLS certified, BLS certified. It doesn't really matter as long as you know what you're doing and you have your certification, you're probably qualified to teach the other guys in your unit how to do this. It's something we all, I mean, I'm assuming most of us do know how to slap a bandage on somebody. and stuff like that, but you actually know how to rescue somebody who's drowning. The CPR stuff like that. Absolutely. Actually, good point there. One of the things, if you go to the Ohio Defense Force video that's up on YouTube right now, where the unit is specifically going over CPR using the RASASA anti-type simulators. We have a number of those. In fact, I was just thinking, I was trying to think I've got three adults and I've got one of the RASASA babies, you know, the small one. and they're not cheap, these are the most expensive models. The U of M gets a lot of stuff like this on a regular basis, which is where I would watch for all of our people listening for emergency supplies. That's a good source for these simulators and a lot of the other training aids. But yes, we need to review the basics constantly. In fact, we can't assume, I would argue that, and I've had to do this many times, people say, well, you don't have to take the class with the other guys. No, no, I take the class with everybody because we all need to refresh our training, no matter who we are. One more thing I gotta add too, for you, according to your training, according to the American Heart Association, they did go to a 30 to 2 ratio of compressions to breast from the old 15. You're not doing that anymore, just doing the 32 for the adults. Some of the smaller kids, you go back to the 15, but basically they're recommending to go to 30 to 2. compressions are better. be able to make it to Alpha Omega's April operation. Have you thought about that? Actually, believe it or not, I am just about done. I'm still going. I will be done, but I will not make it. He'd be able to get you out there then. We'll meet Mike. In fact, hopefully we're going to drag Mike up the other way from and have him there so you could meet Mike face to face. How's that sound? Yes. You brought up a real good point about the basic C.P. times you watch the paper. They're dying to do mentioned that the change, you know, years and years ago, it was the CPR and what works best. I think that, you know, again, the reason for the increase, the logic there was at least working the increased oxygenate with the, with whatever was naturally available without air, you know, without putting oxygen in there on top of everything else. It's obvious that the, in the first response, we're trying to pull the expended or the used atmosphere out and reintroduce more usable oxygen within the shortest period of time. The other thing, remember my favorite, and of course, now again, you got to remember guys, different periods, the pre-cardial thump kind of disappeared from general teaching because typically everybody got so excited that a lot of people's rib cages were badly damaged and the pre-cardial thump would break a rib. Unfortunately, then the guy would survive perhaps the initial treatment, but when you, after they broke the rib near the sternum, what would happen is you'd start pushing on the chest and you were stabbing the heart with a broken rib. especially you get a good-sized guy that's getting a little excited and he just smacked down on the chest to try and you know create that shock that would bring the heart back up and online hopefully. It didn't necessarily do what it was supposed to do and in fact created more casualties than they thought it was worth. It doesn't mean that it isn't still done in the emergency room. I know everybody's seen that. There are different practices but again there's also different ways that the technique was taught. It's also a more controlled environment. The problem is you've got a bunch of big bruisers out there that might be doing the initial first aid. And if the gentleman moves cement blocks and casts iron all day, his response might be a tad different from somebody who's measured in their response. That was one of the reasons for the change there. So again, you've got to be up to speed. There are still a lot of good things that we can get from older medical manuals in certain areas. And I guess one of the things is, you know, just this is off away from the airway. But tourniquets, and I am a firm believer in tourniquets. I know why they went away from purely it was liability. Cross doesn't want to talk about I got into arguments for this years ago when I was training other people and I asked I said wait if this doesn't make any sense we got a major you know like we've got a complete laceration that's severing most of the leg or most of the arm. There is no conceivable way that we're going to be able to sufficiently block in time with the loss of blood. And they flat out said, well, you know, it's a liability. I finally want to import it out. It's a liability issue. We just got to, because of the tourniquet and the possibilities of treatment, blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay, well, okay. Live patient and worries later or feeling good, but patient dies. Which would I rather have here? I'll take my chances. Most patients are very happy just to get some treatment at all. Would you say that, Mike? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Like we said that, you know, especially when we're having airway obstruction, miniatures are going to have irreverent damage. So at least do some of that. try to load them onto a vehicle and send them down a road for just like place you may not be the one doing it knowledgeable of the procedure you can assist be doing the actual procedure. There's one thing that I kind of discovered you can just type in chess or you can type in a bit of familiarize yourself. I've gotten with Rod about these things and we're working on this website. Put that on ours or just create some links as to have about it and watch you die, a slow, painful agonizing death. So, you know, make the choice. Again, for all of you that are listening, every one of you can learn and in fact, expand the overall resources that we have through the Patriot Movement and specifically in the militia formations. We have a lot of medical support in the militia formations that are out there. Some units train differently from others and I cannot emphasize enough that that's one of the missions behind the training officer in each formation. Their job is to cycle in and to ensure that medical support is given a reasonable priority because we're going to have to keep our people alive. And everybody can participate and you don't exclude anyone. Not the young, not the old, not anybody in between because remember when the time comes Those of us are fit and hailed. We're gonna be fighting. Those of you who may have a few problems that can't move as fast, hey, all else fails, truck drivers, medical support and radio people. A lot of things you can do to keep people alive or help to keep us on the road to win this war. We're gonna need your help to do it. Mike, together, as always, God bless the Republic. Death is a new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We are on the march, both day and night. With the help of men like Mike here, we're going to make sure we bring you back alive. Thank you, Mike. No sweat, Mark. It's going to be a Thursday. Hope you don't. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back tomorrow. Bye-bye. On September 1st, Vote Rescue and our coalition, Texans for Real Elections, conducted an exit poll at the Texas straw poll in Fort Worth. With almost a 25% respondent rate, we found a discrepancy in one candidate's results. Ron Pauls. We are planning exit polls for the primary and presidential elections in 2008. 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