I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. Preserve our great Republic and eat God given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the midst for whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dil the land of the free. south, southwest, east, and north. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on We the People Radio Network, wtprn.com. That's We the People Radio Network. You will also find us on Liberty Tree Radio dot 4mg dot com, AM and FM major and micro FM stations, east and west of the Mississippi, along with CB base stations and alternate technologies. So in many other systems across the nation, hey, we've got such a me a little bit, but just a reminder, you're listening to us because of the efforts of individual patriots. We command everything for as far as we can see with the equal opportunity to engage, knock down, and eliminate a threat. So America today, I'm trying to help you to arm that much better, and we're going to be giving you a number of solutions that aren't just whining about the problems. There's a lot of people whining about the problems, but then they don't get up and do anything. Well, Our mission is to give you the capability to do for yourself because you gotta take care of yourself first. Well, it doesn't mean that that's bad for all of us because guess what? By each of you being stronger, even if you didn't make contact with anybody else, you overall have straightened out the situation because at your personal level, you have altered the dimensions of the battlefield. you have changed the country's posture. Every person that arms themselves, equips properly and squares themselves away for personal defense, which is part of the many things they should be doing to make themselves freestanding and independent across the country, is strengthening the Patriot effort. That's the whole idea, people. One of the things that we've been talking about, and we're going to continue to talk about today, is getting the ammunition off the shelf and out of the warehouses. The reason? Well, when they plan on trying to confiscate the weapons the rest of the way, they're going to slide the big doors shut. Their logic is to roll down the cages and all the stuff would be sitting in one pile. Staying in no ammo? Well, guess what? We are going to settle that. We've already cleared out center fire systems, by the way, and we've cleaned out two or three other assets that are out there. So we're going to change a little bit in direction. Doesn't mean center fire doesn't have some good buys and stuff. They do. Other equipment, but they're down to only three calibers of ammunition that they have left on the shelf. That means we have to start looking in other directions in a more focused manner. Well, there is another company out there and it's amoman.com. That's www.amoman.com. They have all the basic calibers. I just went through everything on their website today and just checked every section. If the stuff is highlighted, if there's a clear picture, if the description is clean on that page, they have something in inventory. Notice, I didn't say they have a lot in inventory. They have something in inventory. Now, the prices appear higher and the base prices are higher than many places. But there's a reason. They incorporate the shipping into the cost. However, If you are willing to drive over to where they're located and pick up the ammo, you can eliminate the shipping cost. And in fact, they quote that with several of the different ammos that they have there. Yes, they do have some 223. Yes, they do have some 308. Yes, they do have some 30 Russian. They do have some 9mm. 245 we checked all these not much in every guy and not the end there's still a better selection in most places like on the 223 and No, you're not going to see any bargain basement prices anymore These are the prices that you will expect But they do have some 223 ball ammunition the 308 ammo by the way two of the well two of the most interesting companies one is from Bosnia It's interesting Bosnia, which remember and you've got Bosnia-Herzegovina Bosnia from the 90s that we got involved in and remember what I said about Yugoslavia they have some phenomenal manufacturing facilities they also have their own raw materials this is why the kosher mafia and why the bankers wanted to disrupt and take Kosovo heartland of Serbia it has always been Serbian territory it's one of the places where they fought off both the Austrians and they fought off the the Muslims at different times and it was the it was like the frontier battleground but also the rugged terrain that they were able to hold and keep in their hands when everything else, of course, was to a degree being overrun to their south. And that's where the precious metals are. That's where the iron ore and other minerals are that you need for manufacturing. Well, that's what all the globalists and the global pirates were focusing on. That's what the whole Kosovo fiasco was all about, people. So understand that. They've tried to lie about it, but then they've come right back and acknowledged what's going on. Well, guess what? From Bosnia down there to the southwest coast, we are buying ammunition for the US operations. That's right. Americans aren't building that ammunition. Good parties and other countries are. And if you doubt that, you can go to amelman.com. And if you pull up the page, they'll give you a quick explanation of who's buying ammunition for you, who's making ammunition for us. and contracting well that's the three wait there's also some Lithuanian yeah that's right look there's another country another factory scratch that up with the there's one factory down and they should have had all two or three thousand american skilled laborers putting ammunition together and making money uh... from the tax dollars of course or taken out other people's wallets instead overstate instead somebody way over the other side of the planet is taking your tax dollars which means the tax dollars are leaving the united states overseas where, oh, but they're friendly to us for the moment. Why? Because you can throw them some doggy treats. Will they be good later? They're taking the money in Reno. Take the money and run. Remember that song? It's the same way here. So here's two factories right off the bat. Here's two hubs where you can look at the information. Now, it's a good ammunition. It's actually US military spec ammo. Gee, I wonder how that happened. And who knows, Don, where the factory components might have even come from to make sure they're doing our standard NATO ammunition to US spec. Oh, didn't we talk about a NATO hedge company and then a part of the Earth? Yeah, well, it's interesting. I want to see this thing because this would be kind of cool only because it's stamped from overseas. But in other words, I think what it was intentionally was to be deceptive, to be quite honest. I think that's what they're doing. We've seen that before with the Spooks and Cookes, the spies, the CIA types and the NSA. uh... bill and bill manufacturing nation united states and sterile again they prefer we do it sterile that way technically was made military spec but they want to generic so it has deniability in other words they can't claim it came from anywhere we do those other guys noviet exactly people go what do you mean by that well when you're collecting intelligence one of the things you do with your forensics evidence as you for instance recover spent cases are american or location and can't be identified, then it's a neutral situation, okay? It's like taking all the labels out of your uniforms, which is going to be deniability. I still have a problem with the fact that you got a corpse there that's usually, you know, a white male, Caucasian, obviously of American height and, you know, basic bill. You might just have the body, but we can always disclaim that, except now we have DNA. That causes a problem, doesn't it? But you take the one their children brought home also to the point that they would be... That's right. They've got Velcro patches to take the patches off. You cut the labels out of the uniforms. You can't idea where it's coming from. Well, this is reverse. I want to see some of this because it's rather interesting. Usually, the base of a case has a code on it. Now, American codes are pretty straightforward. The upper letters that you see are the identifiers for the factory where it came from. Example, SL, St. Louis, DEN, Denville, C, Lake City. And we have so many arsenals that are US arsenals. You know, Remington, it could be R.P., Remington, Peter. Peters, it could be R.E.M., just Remington, that's been used too. Also, Winchester or WCC is another one that was used. And then the two digits down below determine the year of production. See, for instance, like four, four, like Lake City 4-4 for 1944 or LC on the top and then down below in the other part of the arch of the base of the cartridge, on the bottom you'll see like say 1965, City 1965 Vietnam era production ammo, the Lake City 68 for that reason because of the Vietnam War and the Tet Offensive period. Anyway, the point is that you can read the base of the case to identify where it came from and there's a couple reasons for that too, a case they have to identify an ammunition failure. This is for production purposes for the military too. But it's interesting that in this case, pretty intricate. The Bosnian and the Lithuanian stuff looks to be pretty serviceable. However, flag on one, which is interesting when you read the description, it says certified good for 10 years on the shelf, you know, for 10 years in service. What does that make me think, Mark? How about, Mark? Exactly. Like they have what is basically a defragging powder that's going to actually degrade intentionally. Remember they were talking about this with the tagaments combined with a degrading of the material and the components. So this is the flag. I'd like to find out a lot more about this because, you know, when a country builds ammunition, I should understand this, when everybody, when a country builds ammunition, even the poorest quality country in the world, the ammo is good for a good half century at least. That's right. Ammunition and people go, well, doesn't it go bad? No, as long as the stuff is actually stored properly. And typically, military ammo cans in a neutral environment, those are the neutral environments. If it's in US military ammo cans or it's in hamtins, it's sealed in its own environment. There's nothing that's going to affect it. Moisture doesn't get to it. Typically, there's a few drops of formaldehyde that have been put in with the ammo when they sealed the cans. And a formaldehyde neutralizes any and all oxygen that might have been left inside. It consumes it. There's nothing to help create any kind of oxidation that's going to accelerate any breakdown. Powders are good indefinitely. In fact, the longer that everything just sits there and is stored and doesn't go any place, the longer it'll last because that bounced around or anything like that. We're going to discuss a little bit more about this, about ammunition and why it is that when again, flags go up when they're certifying for just a short 10 year period. That's a dot on the map with regard to the life of the cartridge for storage. We'll be back in about three minutes here in We the People Radio Network down to Mark on the intel report. the first time since the JFK assassination. We have used the Watergate mantra of follow the money which has led us to a startling revelation on the identity of the mastermind behind the crime. 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Sinker that's already dragging the nation's economy into the... real quick here let's we'll finish this off we were talking about the whole thing about ammunition going stale on the shelf unless you do something really weird to it or Even what we call desperation days ammunition, I've shot a lot of that. Let me give an example, Don. You can pick up Steelcase 1944 German World War II 8mm ammo. I had used it for years. A penny a round. Steelcase, polished projectile. You know that they were going minimal types of powder than they could. Now I've shot that out of an M29, the Polish carbines and K98 types. The BRNO and all the German K98s. And you know what? The stuff is functioned. I've never had a problem with it. Now you'll get some with the steel case. You might get a hair split, a throat once in a while. You know, the stuff's brittle. I mean, they were doing speed production. Still, it's the idea that in the 80s and even in the early 90s, I could take a box of 1944 German steel case, ammunition, and take it to the range and find out what the German steel case was. 20 rounds to fire, no misfires, and all of it hitting the target. Now, before that, I was firing and I still, you know, I've, I've, for decades, since the 70s, I made these deals on ammunition back when, you know, the guys were, like I said, these guys, uh, what they would do is they buy ammo years ago, 20 or cheap cheap, put it on the shelf, and this was their retirement package. They bought it for like a dollar for a case or two dollars a case. They sold it for much, many times that, but still cheap, cheap, cheap. and they're happy. They made out well, it didn't cost anything, they just set it on the shelf. But here's the thing, I got a bunch of Czech 1938 8mm that I had been firing. Oh, 1975. I have never had a misfire with it. I had never had any malfunctions at all and that stuff just sat on the shelf. Actually, one of them is a star with a star and then it's 1938. Stamp two, there's a couple oddballs but most, the majority of it, the central arsenal. and the thing is that you know you'll find you can actually read the cases you can read what they should leave it you know don't know the language you can i'd either case the case plots and get the basic history of the ammunition off of the cartridge boxes themselves or cartridge packaging because again the countries want to keep track of this just in case they have a fluke or something goes wrong with draw the ammunition from the field they make sure they could withdraw and then you know ammunition for world war, just after world war one, or 1918, 30-06 ammunition. Why am I bringing this up? Because, let me read this to you here, because this is a flag for me. As well as many things when you look at it, knowing what we know about ammunition and stuff, Lithuanian 308 ammunition, 146 grain, full metal jacket, military grade, boxer primed, non-corrosive, and reloadable, 2003, 04 production. certified for 10 years. Everything sounds great, but for a little bit. Now, that means I might prioritize using this stuff first, but it comes in sealed military battle packs, bright and shiny. Extremely accurate, near match grade. Not even easily available at this quantity in the US. Okay, now, 1,000-round cases ships in factory wood crate. Full crate is 60 pounds and ships free. Cash pickup price. $465 per 1,000 rounds. Now, I know that's a sticker shock as we know what things used to be. It's $520 for 1,000 rounds of .308. This is 7.62 NATO, by the way. This is the same ammo, but it's $520 for 1,000 rounds if they ship it to you, and that covers the shipping. So you save money if you're close enough by driving in and picking up several cases if you can afford it. It's $5,000 for 10,000 rounds. now that's a chunk of change people that's partially because you're you know what your but apart ends of devalued but i'm going back up to that fourth line certified for ten years guys are u.s. deployment of ammunition we we we would bring stuff out of lake city arsenal guys you you all know this people are listening use grand ammunition that was done in World War II, or had been using it for the last 40 or 50 years without any complications at all. Either stored in the ham tins, in five round stripper clips, stored in the ham tins, in the eight round M1 Garand clips, or just stored in 20 round boxes, in cans. Yeah, but they were in business government. They would buy, you know, main battle rifle and 50 cal contracted to... Well disassembled, only disassembled, and then they were remanufacturing on their own. Yeah, but you know, we're back into the field. and that's why... They had to go through the technical step, think about how silly that is, they had to go through the technical step of disassembling it, they put the bullets in one bin, the powder in another, the case in another, and then they could reassemble it and sell it back to you. Well let's go to another situation, all you guys are DCM shooters and a lot of people don't know it's Department of Disability Marksmanship, it's changed names now, but the DCM even today, you can buy ammunition through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. And it will be brand new ammunition made this year or last year. The DCM ammunition you were buying off the shelf, they were buying out of, provided through the strategic reserve. M1 carving ammunition from the 50s or even the 60s. M1 rifle ammunition, I mean come on, from every year you can imagine since World War II. So we're talking stuff that came off the shelf. It was virtually as beautiful as the day it came out of the factory. The point is that you didn't have any qualms about taking that d-clip of 1955 or 1945 M1 rifle ammunition, dump it into that, drop that d-clip in, click, get your thumb out of the way, bolt slides forward, and boom, boom. And the thing is that the ammo worked every time. So when I see this flag, there is no reason, unless there's something unique about what's going on with some of the ammo, that you would have this sort of for 10 years BS flag on the ammunition. I mean some of you guys just have state regular old Remington or Winchester rifle ammunition on the shelf. Guys it didn't go bad. When you took your 30-30 out after it's been sitting there or maybe on the shelf and maybe you got some of grandpa's 30-30 ammo. Now unless grandpa stored it in a really cold damp place otherwise you put it in a rifle and the only reason dampness is a promise because moisture kills things moisture kills chemicals. 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Lighting the fires of liberty with your host Michael Fadnarik from 7am to 9am central Monday through Friday only on We The People Radio. Uh, Igman, uh, 7.62x51, M80, uh, has 145 grain bullet. 308 full metal jacket, 145 grain. 07 production. This last year, right, and that's only up to last month. 07 production battle packs. In other words, this has packed up so many rounds per plastic grab bag that you can just pick up wrong with or throw to somebody and they take with them and check with them later. Made in Bosnia by Igman. Brand new boxer prime non-corrosive and reloadable 100% non-magnetic. That means a full copper jacket bullet, which is very interesting. Anyway, now the sticker shock prices, $269 for 500 rounds, $499 for 1,000 rounds, and if you really are looking at a group investment and you've got a little more money, $4,900 for 10,000 rounds. Now that means it takes a lot more FRNs to get the job done, but there is some 308 available. There are other increments if you go and scroll down the page, different types, order these custom stuff, there's some federal match. Don't be surprised at how outrageously expensive that is. We're looking at at least some ammunition available, some of the stuff's out. You've got to search to see what's there. They do have some 223. They do have some 7.62x39, so a little bit of everything. And if it's in the exotic calibers, like 6.5 Swedish, 7.5 Swiss, there is some 7.62x54 rim, but not a whole lot. They do have some battle packs that actually have some pretty good prices there with that too So check these guys out remember when you're looking at the prices though that includes Shipping and shipping when you're talking 40 or 60 pounds UPS guys they charge you okay, trust me It's heavy So if you can afford to go pick this stuff up from any of these companies like this you want to be able to drive and go do it What do you do pick two drivers the smallest lightest vehicle you can that can carry some weight little minivan pull out all the seats and pickup truck, make sure that it's cleaned up. What you do is you go and buy several cases, get a bunch of people to go together on this, each person gets a case, you all go and pick up your cases of ammunition with one person picking it up, plus an extra driver, and that saves you on the shipping. So you're saving hundreds of dollars. You consider it, you buy six, seven cases, or let's say you did buy 10,000 rounds, you're talking about saving a big chunk of change. You're actually paying for an extra case of ammo by going to pick it up yourself. even if you're going to have to pay for the fuel. So we are past the bottom of the hour. One other thing, we're going to call it here in a second. We've been covering some of the articles with regard to what's happening with the possible voter fraud here in Michigan. The Diebold machines, as we said, we have a patchwork quilt here in the state of Michigan. The Diebold machines acted up the moment the polls opened. Now this is a direct report. It's out there in different forms floating around in the other world. follow up on this because there's people already doing a sit-rep with a map of where these things were doing what they were doing all not a surprise of course uh don the one girl who was there said oh just leave the ballots in a secret special box and we'll take care of them later you believe that yeah i believe they'll take care of them guys it's right and nice but uh the numbers are probably very different from what you saw and again even the republicans and the democrats both know it we got we're in shyster land here in three different directions so we know to play games and who they'd be playing games and swapping spit with. The idea is to map it out and sue the buggers. Die bold, set these machines out when they did. And you gotta remember it's like, well let's see, I don't know, we got a three year contract to do a voting machine. Oh it's two weeks beforehand. Quick, Don, we gotta do a design man. I forgot we got that contract thing for all of the country man. bucks for a while? Well dude I just made up a pot of coffee man I can't leave it you go check it out man I'll do the rest and be back after we sold a coffee man. You realize how stupid that sounds. Now here's the other thing like I said my work area here has let's see a Plantronics phone a Texas instrument calculator a combination facts copy and phone machine an answering machine a simple computer those machines take technology or should say more, I think it less, more technology than a voting machine does. All it has to do is tally up numbers. It's nothing more than an over complicated calculator and not even that. It isn't supposed to be multiplying. It is an alternate subtract. It's supposed to do only one thing. It's supposed to line up all the dots in the different rows and count each row. We're not talking even rocket scientists here. We're talking abacus. Okay? We're talking stupid simple. And supposedly they bulked the things up and made them so complicated that immediately they started to fail. No, that's intentional. So everybody listening, we need to sue Diebold. We need to start going after the companies that have done this and the companies that ran the collection and the counting. That's what needs to happen. Put them out of business. And don't do it as a collective lawsuit. Each person, each group of people in a county, in a township, need to file the lawsuit against the company for failure to perform. These are criminal actions too that could probably be applied. And that's how you deal with these people. And you do it with a thousand, thousand suits. Not with one, but with many. and you go after one of the fact that, again, this is the issue where we're talking what truly is the security of the nation that's at stake here. And these characters are dribbling it to death. Now, the other problem is we can also sue them because the townships could sue them too because here's the thing, you're looking at recounts. Why? Well, because they bought a product. What is a product claim it'll do? It'll count votes. Yeah, so since it's failed its job and again like I said what they spent three years working on it But only in the last two weeks did they really get serious before they threw the product out not on the out online Well, obviously you have a malfeasance here you have a you have a failure to perform again And if they have to do recounts the cost of that recount It should be levied against die-bold over and over again plus damages other damages Think about it die-bold needs to be put out of business right now So all of you out there listening, get hold of your paralegal people and all of your pro se people and other people who may have lawyers who are involved in different parties. And what you can do is go after them that way, but also tell the townships, aren't you disgusted with this? Wasn't this machine supposed to perform in a certain way? It only, here's the other thing guys, do they leave the voting machines plugged in 365 days a year and gee, it was just overtaxed for use? That's right. Yeah, the widget oil, the widget oil leaked all out of it while it was sitting there warming up waiting to be used. Four or five, in fact, in many cases, this is the first time or the second time these machines were ever used. In that case, I mean, on top of everything else, they were only used for the one day. Now talk about Chinese, you know what, BL junk, there's another term of used, but it has to do with feces. The whole point is that if it's that, if that's, if it's that, yeah, boy, keep on using it. Yeah, if it's that inefficient, then obviously we need to get rid of them immediately. And we need our money back, plus we want to sue them for all of the costs and operations that they have cost us, as we the people, from the township, from the county, and from the county. You're on township boards, you're on county boards in some cases. Bring this forward, spend the money, go after them, get your money back. Get our money back, because we paid for it. Okay, that's something needs to be done use the machine on the machine. Oh pardon the pun there clothing machine being Anyway, we got college. We'll get we got Garrett in Oregon Garrett. Are you there? Come on up? I know we have Garrett out there in Oregon Sometimes it takes a second though as we know and especially with life Well, I'll tell you what just in case since I don't think yours is right there Let's go to Dave in California is Dave from California there. Yes, sir in Northern California. There we go. We got you go ahead Dave I just wanted to give you a little up we should be going for. You know what I mean? And they have to go to each county to deal with it. They can't go to one place and pay one fee. Every township, every county needs to take them in and litigate them. You're one step farther down here, but as soon as you totally prove legally that there has been massive malfeasance, then they should just throw the boat out too and start over. That actually needs to be done anyway. What's the recount? That's all the recount is doing. That's what kicks me about this. And again, we're having to do it and spend the money all over? No, that's not acceptable. Stay right there, Dave. And maybe Jared's in the wings too. We'll be back in three minutes. We the people radio network, down to Mark. We've got callers. People who use CardiVite know about the pollutants in our body and want them out. For over five years, CardiVite has proven itself time-tested. Here's Dr. Mattson, a naturopathic doctor's thoughts on CardiVite. In our mind, there isn't such a great big mystery to disease anymore. 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So stop by my and maybe stay for one of their film showings. Go to BraveNewBookstore.com now to peruse the virtual I'm Ron Paul and you're listening to We The People Radio Network. pokerface.com. Now we've still got some callers. We still have Dave from California with us, don't we? It'd be confused to Southern California. We've been wanting to secede from Southern California a lot longer than we've been wanting to secede from the Union, but that's happening now too. Very good. Well, just remember what the demarcation line is, then once drawn accordingly, you're going to have to set up another fence just to keep them out. I mean, the Southern Californians, we know what that means. Especially, well, also you're going to have to kind of compartmentalize certain areas too. You know that, don't you? So we had San Francisco to make sure that nothing gets out of the peninsula there. Weapons Wednesday for you guys. I think we talked about poacher rounds, cutting a shotgun shell and firing it at the end of the barrel. To celebrate the new year, I got my firing three inch number two steel shot out of the shot rounds into this wood and then split it up. The regular rounds was about a two inch deep, two inch wide. Plus there was a lot of damage. The plastic itself, as it deformed and they had a 12 gauge Fiddelber Sabo round. That's been a trade at seven and discarding stable rounds. Originally those are made by BRI. Again, not only the great for penetration, but for range. Incredible accuracy out to 200 yards. If you scope in your shotgun, or if you set it up so it can accept a scope, you can actually use that as an accurate rifle type weapon out to 200 yards with those hourglass 500 grain slugs. Now, the poacher round, well of course the improvised round, which is called the poacher round, what you're creating is basically a massive steel beam bag. And you're keeping all of the energy, all of the BBs compressed, which allows for again a greater amount of energy against a centered point. Devastating against, even if you didn't penetrate body armor, the shock trauma to the tissue underneath is going to be so great. Nobody's gonna, you're not, the guy's not gonna jump back upright. Let's put it that way. If he gets up at all. What's happening, you stay so many inches deep to include organs. There's organs being burst too, depending on what they are. That's why the shock trauma plates are right in the middle of the body armor to begin with to try and put the heart for that very reason. But still, it's a lot of focused energy. The important thing is that if there is no armor, it is devastating and that what will happen, and the wood won't show that. You did to a degree demonstrate it with the damage channels. It works like a Glazer Safety Slug or like a bean bag gun, a bean bag load made was in number 8 shot. In this case, it's whatever shots you've got in the shell. That's where the guy's got the idea for the Glazer Safety Slugs. When it makes contact, all that material ruptures and just like you described, it's going to spread and then it disperses out the point of impact and it creates a massive series of wound channels that just literally threw a grenade into something. The damage, in fact, plastic disappeared. I was fine as long as I cocked it hard. Some points there and a couple of questions. Go ahead, please. I've never bought this kind of ammo before but it's a stage gauge. And I'm looking at the rounds that I cut off. A tenth of an inch or a 20th of an inch deep. I don't recall it ever being. You had clean black grass at the bottom of them, didn't you? Are you talking in the base of the case itself? Yeah, the base of the shell. Well, that's rather interesting. Unless they come up with something to replace, typically they would use a series of cardboard steps, nothing more than cardstock. Not corrugated, but actually cardstock that would be pinned into place through the channel. Normally that's where it would be, it would be against the brass. It works as an impact. It's part of what impacts the base of the case, which actually helps to reduce pressure to the base of the case, allowing for the to maintain its size. allows for easier extraction. it could be just a different material they're using now there is another thing there there's a filament depending on your your we always do or we've done in the past will take a shell we have a new lot of ammunition something we haven't you know seen before see what's inside Of course, we'll offload a piece of one case first, like in the shotgun show, you open up the front, dump everything out to see what's in it. Now, that sounds like a bit of a waste, but the idea is to know what your case is made out of, how it's performing, understanding what the construction is, will help you to understand results afterwards. A lot of the double-ot buck, number four buck, is sometimes they used a plastic filler to help keep the pellets stabilized, help to create a little more uniform the time comes. in the tube what it does is it helps to unify the charge. Use the tube of course and obviously they're going to spread out accordingly. Now they've used plastic for that, they've used sawdust chip, different materials. The plastic is the most efficient because a little plastic chip, you know, it's like dust, it'll filter it and fill in the places and it's not going to necessarily cause anything strange in the way of, you know, it's not going to collect moisture first of all and it's not going to cause any problems with the barrels, not going to create any oxidation or rust or anything. contained in the water cup anyway. But there could be something that they're using as a standoff or it could also be the powder itself they're using because there's a number of different types of powders that are available that and some of them depending on how low a grade they are could be producing a residue of that type. So otherwise just cleaning them up that would be the issue if there's an extra step there if it's carbonized is it it's almost like a charcoal. Yeah it's pretty good I mean I can't even really get it off with my thumb now. If it's actually that tough and it's inside the case, that's a lot of extra work. As long as the primer channel is clean, and as long as when you de-prime it, you can eject the primer from the primer cavity without any problem. Yeah, that's no problem. Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. I would just go ahead and load it normally the way you would. There's different solutions they've come up with. Sometimes they've used plastic down there, inside as a buffer, as the stand-off buffer around the primer channel. The cardstock, they've used other types of filament material that it's designed to be solid. It's usually, obviously the powder is affected and reacted to that. The cardboard is going to get singed a little bit. The cardstock, because obviously when you pull the trigger and that primer goes off, the skin that takes place, you're creating flame. You're generating calories and creating heat. In this case, as long as it's not affecting the primer, and as long as it doesn't erode the plastic, the edge of the plastic, joins with the brass of the base of the case, be the only consideration is look for distortion around the base of the plastic where it makes contact. Because when you're using Magnum loads, obviously you're increasing pressures. You're going to see expansion in certain areas. That's one where you're going to see distortion if they're super hot. Otherwise, the way I normally would, I wouldn't bother doing Magnum. I mean, again, we've got to get the powder to go farther now. Step up your standard load a little bit. We keep it below the Magnum charge, but say above standard if you want to get a little more oomph behind it. I think it's more important that you know that you can bring everything to a consistent velocity and a uniform point of impact than anything else. That's my biggest concern with any weapon, shot, gun or rifle. For the accurate round. John, it's good to talk to you. I haven't had a chance to say hi to you. You do a good job. I got one more thing or two, if you don't mind. Go ahead, go ahead. Well, I was thinking about this, poacher. I came to the conclusion that if a person was hard up for shot, that might be one way to defeat that problem. It's not going to hurt your gun. Well, people have been so desperate as to use, I mean even in the revolution, pebbles, rocks, nails, everything. Sure. And you can get all together. Even for a load, there's a number of arcane loads. Think about this, people use rivet guns every day. Have you ever thought about saving those little rivet rods? Yeah. Now think about stacking those inside a 12 gauge shell in a cup and then using those for a close in defense round. Yikes. I wouldn't want to get hit by it. I'll get it. One of the many experiments we made years ago, trust me, works really, really, really well. Yeah, I can see that. Okay. Have a great day, gentlemen. Thank you, Jay, for calling in. We've got other callers stacked up, but we're going to the top of the hour. When we come back, we're going to take the... We've got Jared, we've got Clint, we've got Tim. As always, God bless the Republic. to the new world order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We are on the march both day and night. Ooh-rah. Fix bandits chasing down the road. Give them a backpack full of rocks. Send them back to the devil. Send them here only halfway. Thank you, Doc. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless you, America. Did you read this? Chicago just became the murder capital of America. I don't understand. It's been a felony to have a gun since 95. I thought that was supposed to prevent murders. I don't increase them. Criminals will always find a way to get guns, while the rest of us are just left defenseless. Chicago authorities have seized over 75,000 firearms since 1995. 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