December 3, 2007
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Mark Koernke discussed communications infrastructure, improvised listening devices, and tactical preparedness on December 3, 2007. The show covered DIY parabolic dish microphones, satellite dish monitoring systems, hamfest resources, and equipment maintenance discipline for militia units. Callers contributed discussions on night vision gear, shotgun effectiveness in combat, ammunition reloading, and specialized 12-gauge loads for defensive applications.
- communications
- satellite dishes
- listening devices
- hamfest
- militia training
- equipment maintenance
- weapons discipline
- shotgun
- 12-gauge ammunition
- daewoo rifle
- improvised gear
- tactical preparedness
- michigan militia
- we the people radio network
- preparedness
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I had a dream the other night that, well I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat and speaking low to me he said, we fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations this legacy we gave. In this the land of the free.
and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn.
and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?
O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame.
For even now his tyrants trampled each God-given right. We only watched him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave to deal the land of the free?
One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories south, southwest, east, and central. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on We The People Radio Network, wtprn.com. That's We The People Radio Network. And also, we're on Liberty Tree Radio dot 4mg dot com. That's LibertyTreeRadio dot 4mg dot com. Along with AM and FM regular stations.
FM microstations and CB base stations east and west of the Mississippi. So on UltraNet, Spike 1 and also Vertical 1 and Vertical 6 today, this is a test for our friends in Nebraska and also up in central Montana. We will be doing a series of tests all this week with all the new grid going up. I want to say thank you to our friends and communications that are working on this. We are creating our own system.
the other work is being done is going exceptionally well. A lot of young hard chargers tied into that. Thank you. I want to say thank you openly. All of the kids that are working right now, because none and nobody else can say anything, we'll pat you on the back. Anyway, also we're on Galaxy 25. KU-Band satellite. PPRN.com is tune in there to the page when you come up.
Well take that information on that banner that shows you how to tune in to your satellite dish and you can be right here in the studio with us 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at We the People Radio Network. W-T-P-R-N dot com. So if you have an old satellite dish, don't get rid of it. If you have a satellite dish or receiver, don't get rid of it. If you see a neighbor who wants to get rid of one, take it on a pole, make sure you center it right and target Galaxy 25. There's all kinds of information out there. You can do it over a quick scan on the web.
and there are other places where you can go. Example or Hamfest. And I want to mention this again right at the top of this day. It is, by the way, Don, today is a Monday. We at First of the Week, when of course it's not Communications Tuesday, but every day is kind of Communications Day along with Weapons Day here on the Intel Report. And so what we have is one of the little tricks to getting hold of written information on all these subjects we talk about in communications is go to a hamfest.
There are guys that deal in books, pamphlets, and manuals. And when we're talking books, padmolds, and manuals, we're talking about, hey, somebody specializes in satellite dish installation, or do-it-yourself satellite dish information. It's all there. And I mean many different books. There's several that we've recommended over the years, but there's a lot of new stuff that's gone up that people have done. So the best thing you can do is do a quick search on the internet app. One of your relatives do it for Hamfest.
This is like a big gun show, only it's radio communications, and this is critical for all of you out there who are looking for solutions. You go to the ham fest, you check things out, you get all the instructional books you need, tie that in with the stuff that our sponsors provide, hey, they didn't forget them, and you've got all the tools that you need in hand to get the job done. Between that and the junk pile, snap, oop, broke another bolt. Well, it's okay, the other junk pile, there's one more sitting there. But whatever I need together from scratch, I'm gonna be free standing and independent.
Federal edition information, radio antennas, technology with regard to listening systems to radio point to point for tactical or strategic. Remember, you don't have to send, sometimes you might just want to listen. Just passively listening will paint a bigger picture for you of what's going on in the free world or the not so free world, depending on how the war is going when it starts here. And you need to be ready for that. So communications issues.
Evansville, Indiana, they've got a really great ham fest, but the one we're watching for, now this is down the road again, because we're looking to the future, the Dayton O'Hara Ham Fest. It's one of the biggest in the country. You don't even have to go in the buildings, although there's lots of cool stuff inside, but the parking lots are a massive bazaar of communications. You name it, it's there. You want it, you'll find it. You want it in multiples, you'll find plenty. Okay, so for those of you who are interested in making up your own television monitoring systems for your property, and you want it wireless,
uh... although trinkets are there to make it up on the cheap including pallets and pallets of brand new stuff that comes in from you know the chai calm industries or malaysia or indonesia couple of innovative young men or you know husband and wife uh... invest a few dollars and have a container brought over and they can have stuff at that campus that you won't see at the store it's that simple you'll find stuff or stuff that hasn't been around in the stores for god knows how long and all i forgot about one of those i need to more i need to more you know i kind of things so there are solutions to the
Okay, so there again Dayton O'Hara Hamfest, it's going to be coming up. You can check with the Dayton O'Hara Arena. It's easy to find if you ask the directory there in Dayton, Ohio. And they'll connect you with the schedule. They usually have a running schedule by phone that you can access and also of course by internet. And you can get flyers from the groups that sponsor the Dayton O'Hara Hamfest 2, so you're up to date and up to speed on that.
That'll answer a lot of questions for a lot of people that ask me about Communications and asking us over the years and we just keep repeating there are plenty of people out there Already into the subject. We don't need to reinvent the wheel We just need to use what they've already done Well mark while we're talking about it You can get here for when you're shooting either sound around gunshot and then they shut off the sound or running the satellite or whatnot post weren't there mark and they've listened more than
the hum of those door inner motors. And they got so good at it they could actually identify the type of aircraft by the motor sound. Yes. Actually the LPOPs, listening posts, observation posts, were so well, the people became so well refined with experience that they were able to ID specifically what was coming at the country at the time. And the US had similar systems. Everybody had LPOPs and had perfected them to the nth degree with sound collection horns.
is what they use. And when we say horn, we're not talking just like little Victrol horn, although that works just fine, gives you some focus. We're talking stuff that have been invented by Alexander Graham Bell. Yes. That if you'll notice, I don't know how many people are familiar with Bell's research groups, but there are a series of sound studies that he did, of course, like many other things. He was into many different research packages. And Don, that was one of the things he had was an articulated listening horn for observing sounds at great distances from a fixed location.
the whole building actually pivoted, actually moved on a pivot and could turn and focus accordingly. It was also used for projecting sound too, by the way. After all, many others were, you know, instruments that came about because of his research. So, not old technology? Well, it's new technology and yet it is over a century plus old. Even on the battlefields of the of the yesteryear, going back through the centuries, listening for the sounds of battle.
or listening for the clank and the clunk of troops, the LPOP, anytime you can increase your eyes and ears, the range better off-yar. Oh, I know there's satellites and all this other technology out there now, we understand that, don't you think we know about those? But this is stuff that's off the shelf, easy to use, and tactically, where it gives you an edge, allows one person to do more than one job. Wouldn't you like a bite? Wait a minute, I wasn't supposed to hear that, that's that spring, wait a minute.
cheapest tricks if all else fails, pick up Mike off an old tape recorder, a one gallon can or as I've said before, the other thing that works really well PVC pipe is everywhere now but a one gallon can would work just as well. You take and go to your hardware, you find yourself a whole bunch of a roll of this inexpensive air conditioner replacement foam, you know, the stuff that's gray, that's flexible, you cut it to size, you roll that up, you punch a hole in the bottom of the can or in or again, you can use the PVC PVC trick we've talked about.
You position the mic after you've wired a couple of leads, that's simple pieces of wire, to the back of the pickup mic. And you rubber glue it, super glue it, well actually in this case hot glue would be really cool. Home in the front, strap it down with nothing more than a big zip tie or a couple pieces of wire. Make sure it's gooped in the back so you insulate the bare wires where you hooked up your pickup mic.
point the can at whatever your favorite subject is, run that wire back to a receiver, and guess what? You've got yourself a listening device, now that's fairly large by comparison, but they'll say, why use a one gallon can? Actually, you can make these out of something, a bullet mic, of something as small as a half inch piece of PVC. See how simple that is? You wanna get fancier? As we've said before, you take a funnel from the dollar store, you can get three or four in a package, can't ya? Hey, wait a minute, this is really cheap.
Take a funnel cut the funnel off at the one end take the long spout off as you've just got the cone Make sure that it's approximately the the tip will fit inside say a four inch or five inch piece of PVC pipe basically do the same thing secure the the the Pipes the narrow end is towards the closest you know say point on the pipe where it's cut you know Whichever end doesn't make any difference in other words you're gonna part of this is gonna be like a you're gonna be now creating a funnel for the
Put your little microphone inside the epicenter of where that funnel is. Glue that in with rubber cement, whatever you've got that's cheap. If you're improvising and you plan on throwing this thing away, so to speak, in other words, you put it up, you leave it. When it's done, it breaks. Who cares? You take the same foam, put it inside. You can even put a little bug screen in front of you if you want to, but that's not critical. Piece of plastic screen. Oh, that caused an int of a penny.
and then wire this thing up the same way again, hook it up in a tree, direct it down a trail, point it towards a field, put it towards an objective that you want to monitor, and you have yourself a listening device that will work quite nicely to collect virtually every and any sound that's out there. Now the foam helps to eliminate a lot of the echo and background noise that you get or pick up from the collection. So just little tricks, very simple.
Chunks of PVC pipe off the construction site. Cap for the back end of the PVC pipe to seal it up. What? Let's see, I think 45 cents. Yeah, you guys, you've got a few dollars into a system that if you go down to your local spy shop, it'll cost you a few or four. Mm-hmm. Call with junk. Never throw electronic equipment away if you can throw it on the junk pile. Start cannibalizing it. As you have time, disassemble it for critical components.
And now you have parts, pieces and assemblies that you need to fix what it is when something's broken. Works quite nicely. And there's another solution. Well, we're at the first break, you guys. The intelligence report. Again, December 3rd. We'll be back in about three minutes. You want to put out the phone number when we come back, Mark? I think we can. We got, what we do right now, 888-202-1984 or 512-646-1984. We'll be back in three minutes.
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It's time to think outside the box with your host Alex and Jerry from 1 p.m. To 3 p.m. Central every Saturday right here on we the people radio network We are back ladies and gentlemen, this is the Intel report Donna mark and it's Monday for all of you listening course remember this programming is archived
uh... with we the people radio networks or if you want to check out the programming or if you want to have some lots of a her program remember it's not like oh my goodness i missed it now i would recommend the recorded if you can i mean there's number of different ways you can do that so that you have your own archive remember that uh... we the people radio network has this on hand uh... the little idea about the uh... pickup mike's by the way is something has been around for quite some time there's many different ways you can use different tools
I guess one of the things like, Don, you brought up the thing about the satellite dishes. Experiment a little. Stand in front of a satellite dish about where the horn is and talk at the dish. Have you ever tried that? It's really kind of cool. Oh yeah. You get this, wow, well, this ought to be a really cool effect. Well, that's because where the horn is located, where is the focal point for that parabola way that thing is set up. So what happens, it impacts at that given point. Now, if you take your pickup mic,
and put it on the end of the extension rod and I don't care if it's a small like one of those little throwaway dishes that are like 12 or 14 inches that you know they've been great or if it's like a two foot or three foot or whatever you can use any dish to do this and if you have an older dish laying there and let's say it's a big old fiberglass or a sheet metal one and it's not being used for the moment this is a neat little project for the experiment with because that big old dish will collect everything in the farm field next to you
think, oh they've just got some silly stuff they're pointed at. Yeah, yeah right, okay. Well you know you drive down the road and you see the big dish, you stop a number of times, point it at the ground. Those we want. Everything can be improvised and used for something else. I have a lot of stuff that's set up in passive location. Looks like it might even be debris. It's not. That's one of the other things is camouflage is everything with regard to operations. What the eyes cannot see, the heart does not long for, old saying.
So with that being the case, if you can create ways to make something look like something else, blend in with the background, like we said many times when you're painting the dishes or when you're painting your towers, I don't paint my towers silver. I paint my towers flat black. Why? Well, why not really put towers up there that tall? But if somebody's that low with a helicopter, for instance,
they're not supposed to be there, okay? I don't care if they hit it or not. They aren't supposed to be there. And chances are it's somebody we don't like anyway. So, you know, it'd be nice to have something made out of steel that rises up about 40, 50 feet that allows happy things to happen. Okay, that's simple. And we're still below the requirement for lights and all the other nonsense. Also, it blends in with the background. So when you're going down the road, you don't really notice it that much. Think about that, you guys, a tripwire for a rotary.
all kinds of solutions but again uh... be creative look at things in a different light remember we're going to reuse recycle everything people talk about or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or
The way the conflict works is a conflict situation works, guys. You build up all kinds of cool stuff. Both sides try to break each other's cool stuff. You lose some cool stuff. You go find some more kind of cool stuff that's not as badly bent. You hammer it all out. You plug it all in. You remix the tools and the parts. You shift everything over and you start anew. That's how you got to be thinking, people. If you're not ready to improvise, adapt, and overcome life's situation that's coming at you right now, you are going to be in trouble.
And this is why I've laid down the whole idea when I've dropped the concept of carrying tools. Now you don't have to carry a steel case on your back with, you know, a steel case toolbox with 55 pounds of snap-on tools, that would be nice. But the problem is cost.
So again, in the field, the combat soldier, the infantryman, the engineer, the medic, the saper, all have to have a certain number of tools that will do something to a degree well and other things, and so-so. But between everybody, it works just fine. Okay? So touching on that for basic maintenance, and by the way, linemen, a lot of guys, I know we got a couple callers already waiting in the wings here, so don't worry, I'm going to bring you up.
But one of the things, if you've been up on a pole, is the more that you can shear in the way of weight, but where tools do more than one thing, the happier you are when it comes to doing maintenance, say if you're up a telephone pole or if you're up on an antenna mast, or if you're doing maintenance where you're in an obscure location. Okay, you don't want to carry too much, you've got to be able to move around, but you also want to be able to get the job done without making 20 trips up and down wherever it is you're working.
So that's the advantage of like these Gerber utility tools slash Leatherman's. Those are the best example. There are military wire cutters right now coming out big time because they weren't used for combat operations, though they'll be regretting getting rid of these because wire is going to be up all over the place. And again, I'm sure there are governments and our government is going to be squandering dollars, you know, buying replacements. But a lot of good stuff out there and a lot of tools that when you pick them up, they're going to be priceless in the future. They also are just awfully handy tools to have anyway.
know how to use them, know how they work. Don't just leave them in the package and go, hmm, you know, when the time comes I'll use it. You better take a look at it, figure out how it goes together, figure out how it adjusts, figure out how well it does certain things. That way you won't be shocked and amazed or surprised.
or end up with a cutter-bruised component, you know, body part, like a thumb, a finger, or whatever, by using it in advance, knowing how it functions, finding out where it's going to fit best on your gear, making sure that you have it with you all the time. Now, I'm going to touch on that as a point. I don't care if you're a maintenance man or a combat infantryman. Ah, let's see, I need a... Oh, that's right, I need a pair of dike cutters to deal with this piece of wire. I'll go up to the garage. I go to my tool rack. Oh, that's not there.
I don't know where that one is, I've got it left over by the car I'm working on. Oh, but wait a minute, my web gear is right here and I can pull my flashlight and I can pull my wire cutters off that. There we go. Doo doo doo doo doo doo. Spreads come over, you go, hi Fred, how you doing? You start talking. And the flashlight gets set somewhere where they normally aren't used. A couple days later, you're thinking about going out on training on, say, Friday night or Saturday morning.
And you all, of course I know I had everything together because I usually have all my gear in one place. And you do, normally. But because you were distracted and you did something you weren't supposed to do, which is take equipment off your gear to use someplace else, guess what? Because you didn't immediately put it back, it's now not where it's supposed to be. And you grab all your equipment, you get out in the field, and it's about, say, seven o'clock at night here in Michigan. It's now dark. Right now it's not. It's a little earlier, but it's still dark. And lo and behold, guess what I don't have? Clicky, clicky, wait a minute.
Hey, wait a minute, we were supposed to cut this fence. Oh, wait a minute, my wire cutters. I know where they are, 25 miles back across on the other side of the county, where they don't need to be. You got to remember, when you use it, put it back. That's the only, I'm reminding you of this. I've watched this scenario many times. It's so embarrassing, but I will, not me, fire team on the other side of the state, very tired, nonstop. It was a really great exercise, 24 hours a day, three days straight.
and everybody's loading up on the vehicles i've got all their equipment squared away and laid out in each squad fire team the platoons are loading up on the transport for using do something else we had some of our own uh... bands kidded out as a pcs everybody gets in the vehicle and i'm talking to somebody and thinking okay uh... you know i will mention sergeant sergeant eight did you do a final weapons check you know i did all and then he says they are uh... private be all you got those three nineteen seventeen and feels there did uh...
1970s Enfield's rifles? You mean you- No I didn't. No I didn't. No I didn't. Laying along the road. Right where the trucks and the vehicles are being loaded. Another thing. We went back and found them. We had to drive all the way across the state to get them. And they were laying right where they were left. Doesn't really stand out laying where they were.
The point is that even that could happen when you get tired or when you're exhausted or distracted, so you have to remember to think again first. Make sure your equipment's squared away, even if it's just a loner. Nope, we're gonna go to break here in a second. But even if it's just a loner, get around the house. Make sure it walks back and goes right back into the web gear. If it doesn't, it won't be there when you need it in a hurry. And you're not gonna have time to go, oh, I need to go the other end of the house, pick something up. If you're a minute man, that'll mean it takes two minutes to do what you're doing instead of one.
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You guys were back and you know that's poker face go to poker face calm get some good Patriot music Play it in the crowd and play it loud now. I know we've got Tom and Rob you guys give me about 30 seconds I want to touch on another thing here or even down to a squad when armies move or squads move You've got the all the locals with them sometimes it's for safety sometimes it's because the child wants a candy bar or One of them wants to take your stand at remember when you're out working in the perhaps they need to walk into the woods or they just get lazy
that you always have to keep your gun at hand habit. We're not talking about candy bar or you can actually arm somebody with the potential to take 20 other targets out depending on the weapon you're carrying or at the very least let's put it this way you make contact and you're scrambling to try and figure out where your weapon is you're in trouble. That's the worst case scenario where again you know prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance the P principle.
And because of that, we make sure that we understand where our equipment is, we know where our weapons are, we make sure that we're within reach. Now, there's some I want to mention, and boy, I know we got calls for this, each, there are two schools of thought with our militia units that are out there. One is that no weapon will have a sling. Now, there is a reason for that. It's for the very thing we're talking about, number one. The slings can get in the way, they snag on things, et cetera, but also they become a habit.
What's that habit? That the weapon will hang on your shoulder instead of being in your hands. So that's one philosophy. And again, if that's their belief and it's taught that way, I understand and it's a good consideration. Slings on the other hand serve as a tool. If you're a rifleman, and I know people say, well, I'm not going to be at Camp Perry, so I need to use rifle slings. Yeah, well, there are times when rifle marksmanship counts for everything and the sling is actually a tool as part of your weapon if you are properly, if you're taught to use it.
the sling in and of itself will bring that weapon, it will suck that weapon right into the body and help to stabilize the firing platform. So there are options in that direction and so the other school is that you have a sling. But either way, the weapon is to be within reach. In other words, if you had to set it down, for some reason it has to be within close proximity and it's part of you. It's a direct extension of you. It is why you are in the field as a combat infantryman.
So again, if something like that happens, no, we don't play games, we aren't going to be joking about it. In fact, it's a deadly serious issue with regard to weapons control. And that's not because we want to control our weapon. Wrong. That's the gain over tentative control freaks on the other side. We're talking about you controlling your weapon, okay? Your personal arms. The extension of your capability to defend your person and become an integral part of the militia formation that you're fighting with.
That is critical. And again, we don't play games about that. In fact, the only thing I will say is this, as far as there is no control, if you're willing to carry it, congratulations, it's your weapon in the field. Do you all understand that? Yep. Well, he's got a lot of... Okay, he'll find out if it's too much real quick, but if you're willing to carry it, congratulations, you've got it. We're not like these anal retentive control freaks that are sending our boys out into Iraq without their weapons. Yours to the border.
all over the border without their weapons all because they'd look to militaristic or or or somebody will be at risk yeah they were first risk of that soldier that you're not you're not arming properly okay that's the person who's at risk first okay and everything else is history but uh... anyway we want to touch on a point because things happen like that so before it happens again work work for presenting the issue you guys look at this
Talk amongst yourselves, make this part of your standard operating procedure with regard to dealing with your arms and making sure that your equipment is squared away and ready to go. If you have to grab it, you run. Now, your personal gear, as far as your built-up equipment, guys, we know one person managing five, six, 10, 20 pieces of equipment for 20 people, different story. If you're working as a quartermaster, it takes a little more time to move things. Your personal gear should be prepped, ready to go. Go over it constantly, check to make sure everything's secured, strapped down.
don't lose your poncho don't lose the other poncho that's hooked up make sure that they're strapped down properly tape everything for silence make sure that you're quiet moving through the woods okay well you know mark if that happens to you and when you're out training and i can't say guaranteed because some people are people ever do again it will be it is embarrassing it's that simple you will think that oh my god i don't want anybody to see this happen again the old drill sergeants would do this to you any nco worth his salt would do that especially with young soldiers at his training
Others you do it as a quiet is a quiet reprimand in other words, you don't have to shout or make a lot of noise This is an issue between you and the team leader or the squad leader or the platoon leader depending on the situation Because without your weapon you have have disabled a component of a fire team and a squad Your person does that report it to the CEO turn the gun over to CEO the next time the whole where of what that person them but it's also because it's a learning experience for all
And it's not because, again, that's why we've said about questions the same way. There are no stupid questions, but there are mistakes that can be made, and they will be corrected as we move along through our training process. Okie dokie. Now, we got Tom. Tom from Florida and Rob from Texas have been so patient. Tom from Florida first, please jump in there. You there? Gotcha. Gotcha. On theme devices. A long time ago, when I first met Don, I brought some night vision and a gear on it. That's it on the farm.
real good and real handy for bumping the knife. In fact, you know what, gets a good point. You know, there's a lot, and that doesn't mean you go out and cut up a bunch. Don't go out and cut a stock off your rifle, but what Tom's saying, here's a trick. A lot of people have already traded out the SKS rifle stocks that they had on their original SKS's.
for fiber stocks and such, you probably got an old SKS stock. We don't even have to modify them. Think always this way. Never think cutting anything. But that nice little SKS stock with a little bracket that will have a plate where the trigger group is.
and another plate up above that holds, for instance, the scope mount and can hold also your other material. In fact, it could be put up front. Your listening device can be up where the barrel would normally rest. You've got a nice little package. It'd be tight, neat, ready to go, and would shoulder well when the time comes. Exactly. That's a good idea. Then you can't let the county sheriff see it because he wanted the rifle stock to be... Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Troops lined up, have wevered jingles, then KP duty. There we go.
You mean you don't want to be able to, you want to be able to smell you before they see you? We don't want that to happen. Some guy got housed and couldn't see him because it was just a change of aftershave. We shouldn't have warned him about that. They just went to high Karachi instead of Burma Shave. That's a good point. You know, one of the things we kind of mentioned this when you watch television, you know, it's a good thing we don't have smell-o-vision yet because, you know, that's one of the things about troops in the field. It's hard to explain that.
First of all, you need as many neutral items as you can. We already do this when people hunt. They've got gum breath away, you've got neutralizing agents that people offer, people use the chem suits to reduce smell. But with people, it's no different. People are just as reactive to smell as any of the animals are, especially once you've been in the field for any period of time. You're used to the environment, and that's critical.
Yeah, that sounds weird or strange, but in reality you've got to remember this is the ultimate of combat situations where you're hunting each other, literally. You know, a good point on this like with smell too, the military for years had urine meters, actually they were, well there was another term for them.
they were sensors that could identify urine. One of the reasons is that you've got to say 10, 20, 30, 50 people in a formation moving through an area. They usually are doing things rather quickly and they may not have any discipline with regard to how they operate. And so they would actually scan the DMZ constantly for urine, along with other things that people excrete on a regular basis.
and this allowed them to track to a degree larger formations of North Koreans trying to infiltrate into South Korea, which they do on a regular basis, almost weekly. It's good to hear from you, Tom. Nice to hear from you too, Dad. If you want to stay right there, we still have Rob who's being so patient. I'm all done, thank you. Thank you, Tom. Appreciate that. God bless.
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It was dated 25 and they were saying that having a lot of trouble in Iraq, 15 slash apparently the Iranians, the Iraqis aren't particularly afraid of that particular weapon. However, they are scared to death of a shotgun. Yes, same thing we saw. We saw this in actually World War II, Korea, Vietnam, and even US forces in World War I. Trench guns.
Very, very well. Alright. And then I went on to read about something that was in development. I don't know if it ever made it into the war fighting laboratory, but it was called the AH-12. Have you ever heard of that? Navy project? It does.
called the auto assault 12. It looks like a street sweeper. Oh yeah, it was their answer to the like, Daywill, remember Daywill came out with their 12 gauge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shot something called a frag 12 HEAP. It looks like a little, looks like a little cruise missile. Yeah. And it went into a drum and it was
kind of based on the M16 you press the lever and the whole thing would drop out then you just pop the new one in and apparently this thing could fire you know hold the trigger but anyway my question was there was a company that used to make specialty gun dragons for all kinds of things well they're down to about six now Bat Faggot's got but they do have one like little that you can load with anything
I don't do reloading. That's on the lens shells? Oh yes, absolutely. The biggest problem, it's just like loading rifle ammunition. The availability was so cheap per se, number six and number eight shot that most everybody has kind of walked away from it for a bit. But now with powder's going, with load and ammunition going up in cost, it's cheaper to save your empties and reload. Although a lot of people reload if they're shot or if they're shotgun competition people in skeet or trap.
A lot of them load their own, even though they could easily buy factory off the shelf because they want a certain spread or they want a certain grouping with a particular type of competition. And after this, go ahead, Don. You have to ask yourself, have you ever heard of a match grade? No. Right. Yeah, well, the thing is, yeah, there's some, well, originally, now, for instance, you know, you mentioned Flechette, but we're getting towards top of the arc.
originally the fluschettes were all came from beehive rounds 90 millimeter 106 recoilless 105 tank beehive rounds what they did is the Department of Defense DX to bunch of those the other thing is that the way at the end of or the middle and the high surplus fluschettes in the crates that had not been loaded to the beehive round itself
and these were so many hundred thousand per box. I used to see them at the shows even where the guys sell you a handful for like a dollar. I mean a handful. There were that many. That's where the guys got the idea to reload and do the flechette rounds and that's where they got the flechettes from. Now there's a number of different loads that can be done all on your own. One of them is what's called an arcane load and I've always recommended this one because for a combat load for say in a house
or say you want to defend a hallway or you want rear guard troops that are going to be able to spray and pray, that's one of the few times where a shotgun will be still has got good grouping but you can fire in a general direction and something's going to hit somebody. Instead of using filler, what you do is you mix your double amp buck, number four buck, BB, and number six, that way you have everything, virtually all of the space inside the wad used.
One of the other things is to actually, and it's hard to explain on the radio, but basically what you do is you take a razor blade and you nick the little butterflies that are actually your cup that make up the watt itself that holds the charge, holds the mass of the load in place, the pellets.
Now what this does is it ensures that one way or another something's flying through that dead space within a specific cone and you're going to get varying results with regard to the kinetic energy once it's delivered to the target. So you have multi shock trauma. One of the advantages of BB and number six is that it will perforate body armor where other pellets won't.
In fact, finder shot will go right through some armor like it's a sieve, literally like it's going through a large chicken screen. We describe it. It doesn't even slow it down. This is a nice thing when you're dealing with heavy infantry or foreign heavy infantry that mostly have the threat level 3 or threat level 2.
armor and remember that troops always have to be articulated so even if they're wearing grade four heavy armor you can still start to permeate the soft chewy stuff because the number four the double lot and the other pellets will waddle through and follow what's called the path of least resistance into the target.
Now the Koreans understood this and that's why you notice I mentioned the Daewoo. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel. I don't know what the hell, I know what it is. I do really understand what it is. We've got a bunch of gimps that are in the DOD that don't really want to see success for the US military. That's the only way to describe it. They picked stuff that's overly complicated and just crude for all private purposes but outrageously priced. We don't need anything that fancy. The Daewoo shotgun, all it is is the Daewoo rifle in a 12 gauge.
with a 10 round stick magazine or a 25 round drum and in full auto it is literally a walking, like a walking claymore. That's the only way to describe it. Now we did do a project like this with another totally different solution. The Navy wanted to go with a stronger case, more pellets per trigger pulled. So what they developed was a dual tubular feed
basically an overblown 1100 model Remington shotgun that took a 50 caliber brass case cut at the shoulder.
They mentioned that in the SART or COOL, yeah. There we go. Okay, so that project was very successful, by the way, but it was shelved. Now, the advantage is that they could even use DX material to recycle .50 caliber that was machine gun brass. There was a whole solution here that would have been very economical. That's why it was NIXED, because it was a very economical, self-sustaining program.
We can still do something like that. Think out of the box, but they don't have to. The regular 12 gauge and the regular 20 gauge shell are the two basic shells we want to look at. We need to look at, if we could get hold of them, there are examples out there, but they tried to grab them right away and they realized that even semi-auto, as quickly as you could pull the trigger, that 25 round drum would saturate a door.
Now, we need to think about the idea of maybe if somebody, there are machinists out there or technical people and you know who I'm talking about, guys that know what they're doing with the tech, with lathes, CNC technology, it would not be a big deal to make a blowback, semi-auto, 12 gauge based upon an existing frame like the AR. It's one of the few areas where the AR might be kind of handy. It would be the basis for the design, at least the low receiver.
It could be done so that it would take a 10 round stick magazine and we can reproduce the drums inside the United States. I think the biggest thing that they realize is for as simple as that 12 gauge is, no reinventing it, no high explosive armor piercing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We don't need that. It's obvious just like you said, a guy that's about 140 pounds to 160 pounds soaking wet that has an average height of about 5'9 to 5'10.
and is fighting us in another country is scared to death of a shotgun. We don't need a high explosive armor piercing duplex penetrating round. We need something that fires a lot of 12 gauge shells really fast. We don't have to reinvent it. We just need to go and find one off the shelf and buy it and make our own, if need be, or have them contract out a number. But you notice the military's not thinking that way. Right. Another quick question. What about Magnum
ammunition, steel pellets or steel balls. Well actually what that is is a mandatory, Don Ristrowell, it's mandatory here in Michigan for bird load that you use steel for waterfowl. So you can find that readily available already loaded.
Uh oh, we're at the top of the hour. But that's an option, however, actually the lead pellet scimitars and actually does a monstrous damage once it hits the body armor and scuds into flesh. It's actually a better choice in some ways than the steel pellet. Okay. For larger. For smaller, I'd go steel shot number six or number eight. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, Rob. We still got George waiting in the wings. Ladies and gentlemen, we're at the top of the hour as always. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order.
We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We are on the march both day and night. Hurrah. Fixed bayonets chasing down the road. Oh, by the way, 12 gauges left and right. That way they don't get outside of the line of fire for the heavy weapons. Look around them, Don. Yeah. But for those flames. Thank you, Don. Thank you, Mark. God bless. God bless you, America.
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