October 15, 2007
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Mark Koernke discussed ammunition selection and firearm calibers with caller Russ from Alabama, covering the advantages and disadvantages of .22, .45 ACP, 5.45x39, and .223 rounds for various applications. He emphasized the importance of ammunition availability and affordability for training. Koernke reported on successful militia meetings at Knob Creek and stressed the critical need for training, communication, and team coordination among militia units. He discussed preparedness, barter systems, and food storage with caller George from Florida. Later segments addressed Ron Paul's presidential campaign, concerns about federal overreach, and the Armenian genocide denial controversy.
- ammunition
- caliber
- firearms
- 45 acp
- 223
- 5.45x39
- militia training
- knob creek
- preparedness
- barter
- food storage
- ron paul
- second amendment
- gun control
- constitutional rights
- federal overreach
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I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat and, speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free.
and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold you trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn.
and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?
Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God-given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the midst for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given right, we only watched him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dil the land of the free.
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You were mentioning by the ammo and then fill in with the weapon I'm I know that 22's it advantages in terms of accuracy and range if you put enough powder behind it I've heard and It would seem to me that the physics is that there's an inverse relationship between philosophy and math and if you
take a load and propel a 45 with it, you get what's called a lot of knockdown power because of the mass. Of course, there's also a lot of material there. There's a lot of lead so that all of that mass stays in the target and actually puts all that onto the target. Whereas a 22 might just tiny pinhole right through
But it would seem to me that if you had like 22 Magnum and you could score that round in such a way that it would stay in the target and not exit, then by propelling it at a high enough velocity, you would again start to have knockdown power, but then have the speed and the range of a 22. But what do you think about such trade-offs?
Well, the 22 Magnum, actually you're looking at a different round, but the 22 Magnum was actually considered for the M16, for the AR-15 family of rifles. Now, we've got to qualify this. Remember that the AR-15, as we know it, was not meant for the U.S. Army. Stoner, when he was developing the AR-15, was looking at the Air Force. Now, one of the considerations and the reason for looking at the scaled down to .223 caliber of weapons, slash 556,
that, well, think of it this way, they needed a security rifle for the troops that could knock down flesh, but if it missed that guy with the Molotov cocktail who was trying to fry the $4 million aircraft, well, the worst you're gonna do is put a rivet-sized hole in the side of that $4 million plane and hopefully not do a whole lot of internal damage. That was the qualification. So even 22 Magnum was actually looked at initially as part of the research group
in terms of calibers. They would 22 Magnum. Actually, the parent of 223 was a 222 Remington in the straight case. What they did is knocked it up by another thousand so that it would technically call to the restrictions of the Geneva Convention, which states that you cannot use a 22 caliber or smaller round field for combat use because it would be considered quote unquote inhumane because of its damage, its potential to do damage rather than create a clean or a lethal clean.
In other words, it hits you, it kills you, you're dead. Russians, of course, went with a 5'4", 5' round, which I've talked about many times on the air. Now, there are things that can be done with a 22, even a standard 22. You already have hollow point out there. You even have some para-jacketed, in other words, copper-washed or brass-washed projectiles, which create greater stability or penetration, depending on how they're built. One of them was the old Lubeloy coating, as it was called.
coating that was actually used. It came from the industry, from the metal industry, in another area for lubricating. It was used to a degree with Winchester Western. I think it was their Super X brand. Now this gave some stability to the cartridge, a mock jacketing on impact. It made it for a very frangible surface. So what it did is it
stability in flight, reduced the leading of the barrel, but when it hit, it actually served as a way to focus the energy initially, but then the lead smashed the jacket, opened it up, created frangible components, which of course broke off much in the way that a hollow, say a serrated hollow point would, and then of course the individual wound channels were created by the frangible bullet, you know, the components of the bullet as they went their merry way.
The big thing is with soft lead. Now the one thing people forget about 22 is 22s are made from the cheapest junk the industry can find. The powder is the cheapest you could possibly make, short of black powder. The bullets themselves are typically a very soft lead, very little if any, tin or anomone. Some mixes are different. To say it's rim fire, so that's a cheap cap. You know, that's as simple as you can get for activation, which is why the ammo is so cheap. The advantage of the all lead bullet is that
It expands, just as you mentioned, to a very large diameter which dissipates as much of the energy as possible against the target upon impact. Now, the other thing is, even though it does work to a degree like an ice pick, 22 follows the path of least resistance along whatever plane of resistance it expanses. In other words, if it hits a rib, it may not shatter and smash through the rib, but what it will do is follow the channel of the rib
forming its way through, say, until it loses energy and stops. This is something like what happened with Ronald Reagan. If we believe the stories that he said, you remember he was waving his arm, lifted his arm and he was waving. The one projector that created the greatest risk for his injury was the one that actually impacted the chest, scutted along the ribs and settled in towards the heart. So the 22 is grossly underestimated. Now here's the thing to consider that I've mentioned the checks many times.
Czechoslovakian policy, they went to a very unique concept with a scorpion machine pistol. They went to a three-round burst. They went with a specially engineered load that A had good penetration, but upon impact with flesh, it would actually, or soft tissue, it would expand a bit. Their concept was three quick hits with a 90-grain projectile as opposed to one or an 80-grain, depending on what load it was.
as opposed to say one big 45 round or one 9 millimeter of parabellum round. The concept was to deliver the kinetic energy or shock energy over a wide area. Now it worked. I mean there's a lot of people who testify and I mean they really wouldn't want to get hit with it anyway but the 32 ACP check rounds are AP that will penetrate body armor, get into the soft tissue, do a lot of damage. It's been demonstrated many many times with casualties on the ground all over the planet.
The 22 can be applied the same way using a quick finger and a three round burst into a target 1 to 3 1 to 3 in close range you have what is basically a series of woodpeckers that energy is distributed very quickly so it's felt almost instantaneously in the tissue or in the nervous system and It actually has pretty devastating effect on the target In a panic situation with a quick finger 10 rounds out of a simple Ruger 10 22 I wouldn't want to get hit by it. Would you?
So it has its application. The problem with the .22 is limitation in range because remember that it drops off quickly. That's the only thing. Understand each of these weapons have unique potential and also they're engineered for particular jobs. The .22 will drop off at range fairly quickly because of the lightweight bullet that it typically uses. Even the .45, as we know, it's a golf ball round at close range and intermediate range. It's good, but it drops off very quickly because of its low energy.
The difference between say the concept of a 22 and the 45, the 45s were built, well actually we went down to 9mm, everybody would call it 38 automatic. But we went down to a 9mm load back in 1900, a little before. We used it in combat, we had a lot of problems because we did not get sufficient energy against the target with first round hits. The 45 ACP round, while many other countries proceeded down into smaller calibers.
The advantage of the 45 is that still meeting the requirements of the Geneva and Hague Conventions, the Geneva Treaty and the Conventions, we have a round that can be fully jacketed and yet is almost half an inch in bore. So even if it is a jacketed round, there's so much surface making contact with the target that pretty much all the energy is delivered against the target. So that's why 45 is a decent caliber to work with in general.
and it doesn't require any special technology or special modification for the projectile to get good results now. All kinds of good loads out there for the 44-45 that give you the energy that you need to make it a 55 and by the time it's done once it opens up 55, 665 caliber because the stuff will mushroom and flatten right out to a pancake. Which means that all the energy that you had in that round when it was traveling to target, it's delivered to the target. I'm sorry, go ahead, please.
With respect to range, I think Bo Greids has talked about a manufacturer that has a superior powder, which, like the resultant impact, it would be like turning it up a caliber or two, just because the velocity is that much greater in the existing shell.
Yes, you can increase velocity. Remember, that's what reloading, and we've talked about this on the air remember before. That's where reloading comes in. And I would highly recommend, if you're interested in that, there's a lot of men who have done all the research and have actually done all the scales for bringing up the specs, for instance, on the 45. And yes, you can. The powders, there's any number of options, Red Dot, Lapua makes powder, and they're doing some really unique stuff there.
by the way, that's the name of the name. For instance, one of the cheapest powders for the longest time was H110. It was originally designed to come up with an inexpensive solution with regard to powder for the M1 carbine, which is why the 110 designation, 110 grain carbine load. But once a cheap powder becomes available, everybody starts to adapt it to other cartridges where the powder can be used. A lot of unique and very hot loads for the using H110 powder in carbine
two to three and forty five. So that is the way this, that is the way you can start bringing the load up, use a little hotter powder, shove the projectile down, range a couple hundred more feet per second and it even offers more devastation when it hits the target. So, but do the research. What you need to do is that's why I recommend old books. You know, remember guys have done a lot of neat stuff back in the seventies and eighties and that's not that long ago. Stay right there if you want to Russ. We'll be back in three minutes here at We the People radio network.
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Russ, real quick here, one of the things I mentioned, I was talking about reloading. And this is really where there are factory loads right now. Corbonne come out with some phenomenal stopping cartridges, especially in their latest. It's actually a combat load that's designed to get through sheet metal. And the way they've tested this is two layers of sheet metal, the equivalent of car body. Six layers of denim, and then they have ballistic gelatin for simulating tissue.
behind that and with the AR-15 what they were looking at is penetrating two sheets of metal, six layers of denim and 15 inches of gelatin. What's interesting is we're talking about where you can modify an older cartridge though. They went and went to the M1 carbine using the same configuration although of course making it 30 carbine round. Out of a standard carbine with no modification, we'll do the same thing. Penetrate two layers of sheet metal, six layers of denim.
and it penetrated 17 inches gelatin, which means, in other words, it did ballistic damage every step of the way, another expanding, horrendous wound channel. You're talking about greater penetration with the M1 carbine, which is a nice little pocket rifle, and of course, 50 years old, depending on what model you have, versus the AR-15, which is a cutting edge present from two inches greater penetration, but because of the change in the ballistic potential of the projectile,
This has brought the carbine right back up to where the AR-15 is in one of the big advantages. In the first instance, were you referring to a 22 version of that? No, actually, this is the M1 carbine with its standard load. One of the nice things is that, as you pointed out with reloading, is that you can actually change the ballistic potential of the cartridge to increase its capability to knock down or penetrate depending upon the type of bullet that's available. Corbond has come up with a whole new load.
in standard 30 caliber carbine. So if you have a carbine, this is an excellent choice to have on hand. Now the ammunition is a little more expensive, but with the price of regular ammunition going up the way it is, Corbon is really not all the outrageous now. So that's the 30 exclusively? No, they make it for the Air 15 too. So you can use it in .223 slash, that's .22 caliber basically. Now the .22 rimfire are not going to be reloading. I wouldn't even recommend that. Don't change it.
My attitude about the .22 Long Rifle, I mention this right now, no sense in changing what works. The .22 Long Rifle, as is, out of the box, there are companies that produce a match load and there are companies that do hyper-ballistic loads for the .22 Long Rifle. So you don't have to do any, you don't want to really do any reloading there because, or you don't want to re-altor the round because the way it's seated into the brass, it's an all brass case,
Now the Russian stuff is all steel, we should mention that. There are a number of companies out there. CCI makes both subsonic, they go all the way down to what's called the CB cap. I don't know if you've heard of that before. Now the CB cap doesn't produce hardly any noise at all, in fact doesn't require any muffling or anything, it's a quiet round by itself. You can effectively engage a single target like small birds, squirrels or whatever.
It has lethal potential against small game or other targets as it produces no hypersonic crack and very little sound. Now CCI also makes 22 regular long rifle, not high velocity. There's a number of different loads that are available. You may have to special, but most gun shops used to. I don't know if they still do, but most gun shops usually carry most of what CCI makes. And there are other companies. I was asking this in the context of your comment about tough.
Keep your eye out on a good ammo deal and then buy the weapon I'm not invested heavily into a particular weapons group at this time and so surely there's just a kind of a happy medium between knockdown power and so forth that I could be looking for and if the 22 cannot in all cases be made to terribly as a little bit larger caliber then I would be looking for another
But I can see that it would be nice instead of having a variety of weapons to be frugal and yet effective in most cases. Right. The 22 is utility. Well, let's put it this way. It's a utility workhorse for a lot of the activities that you're going to be involved in. Environment neutralization, it can be used for defense. Or other calibers. What I'm pointing out when I was talking about availability, for instance, other calibers,
is that the 545 for instance, we've talked about it for years, the 545 Russian, the reason it's readily available is because the Russian industrial complex is not tied up in any foreign affairs right now, foreign conflicts. The only real military ground conflict that's in is in Chechnya, okay, fighting the Chechens on and off over the last god knows how many years here now.
uh... so that ammunition is actually been really is readily available polish five four five remaining in five four five uh... and russian five four five by thirty nine all of it is very well made it's a standard the chambering uh... would typically will be in the nak seventy four rifle there's several of them out there and so i would recommend that as an option right now because you could accumulate a good reserve of ammunition and not spend as much money because
There's great competition for and availability has gone down dramatically. And that's an excellent cartridge, by the way. I wouldn't think twice about carrying it. It wouldn't be a problem at all. Two, two, three, again, lots of ammunition was available. Many weapons are chambered for it. But because of that, many people are competing for it now. And the price of the ammunition has gone up between $8 and $10 a box or 20 rounds. This is the same ammunition that only less than six years ago, we were paying $2.23 to $2.80.
that's a box for. The biggest problem has been, again, like you said, for being, and the frugal issue is what I'm looking at. Can we put more people in the field, better tactical reserve, locally stored, and be able to effectively defend yourself when the time comes and project your military strength? We still have the option, and you'll notice I've never said this, never sell what you have. In other words, a lot of people have AR-15s, they got AKs, guys, we're not gonna get rid of them. We just gotta save the ammunition that we have for them.
And one of the advantages of the 545 and the 22, for instance, readily available, that means that you can get out on the range for training, you can afford to shoot, which is the most important thing, you can actually, the more often you can use the weapon, the more familiar you become with the weapon. And that's the other issue about being able to procure the ammunition and weapon system.
There are the Calabris for you brought mentioned 45 and I'll mention this again the 1911 45 itself a pistol itself is one of the finest weapon systems on the planet I know Glock owners are gonna go. Oh wait a minute, but there's the clock well I'm just saying I like the 45 because it's been around so long There's not a whole lot that can go wrong with it and the beautiful thing is there's a billion parts out there So you'll never run out the other thing is the route itself is readily available or it
be loaded easily even from other cartridges if you have to cobble up something as a reloader. Ammunition also comes in a variety of different options and loads depending upon the mission. You can also find 45 camp carbines. This is a consideration. Marlin makes a 45 camp carbine. Ruger makes a 45 camp carbine. I've tried to get, and I'm still poking at them, a high point which makes a 9mm and .40 caliber version of their pistols as little rifles.
haven't made a 45 and they should because I think it would be the perfect niche for them. All of these weapons, just the camping that they're light, you know traditionally they were called camp carvings like a camp rifle. They were designed for close use but basically they would fit into the carbine slash submachine gun niche as far as their range and potential. It would be a short barrel. Right, there'll be a light rifle, short barrel about usually 18 inches to 20 inches.
In all these cases they typically are taking a pistol magazine and they're semi-automatic so the beautiful part about it is you can carry one magazine for both your handgun and for your rifle, which is an excellent choice.
Oh actually, we're looking for, we're trying to make Heimpoint build one. All the others, Ruger makes them and Marlin makes them. Right now, you can get those off the shelf. But Heimpoint, well we all need to poke at them and get them in gear. Okay, Russ? Thank you, Russ. God bless. Well, this isn't a report worth a bottom of the hour, second hour break. We'll be back in about three minutes.
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very good. What's going on that end? How did Knob Creek go? We had an excellent time with the meetings, especially around Knob Creek. And I want to say again, thank you to our friends. It was an excellent event, a perfect three days. First of all, there's two types of weather you have there at Knob Creek. You either have mud and wet, or you get dry.
dry and dusty. Well, we had dry and dusty, so there was no problem with parking. All the down the lower level parking areas filled, it was standing room only, very busy, a lot of people coming going, hopefully some new people listening and new listeners right now. The meetings that took place that we were at around Knob Creek went very well and got a chance to plug in some of our other people back up in different ways to certain projects. And we're expanding dramatically on our
unit and formation work with the militia units that are organizing out there. So this is the next wave. It's been accelerating every week. The one thing I cannot stress enough, and I've mentioned this many times over the years, is that you've got to be ready for this. Some people listened to others. Well, they were turning, they were busy with other things, they thought. What's happened is we have such an influx of new people or people who are pretty much prepared but need to be tweaked.
They had to be ready for it and they weren't to agree. Now we're not complaining because they still picked up the slack and they're working, they're moving ahead. But what we've been doing is helping to tweak the system so that they can streamline the amount of time it takes to bring people up to speed. The thing, as I mentioned with our caller Russ, is time on the range and time training as team. I don't stress this enough and I don't care if it's your family unit, I know this is a problem.
When you're operating and moving, you've got to be able to effectively communicate. That's what makes a difference between a good fighting formation and a rabble. The other side figures that nobody's going to be thinking about this, but we have many different tiers of communications at the tactical level that we're using, some stuff we've improvised and created ourselves. But at the very least, you've got to be able to talk to each other. You've got to be able to communicate with each other, and that can be with simple hand signals. It means understanding how your system works,
and how your people work and how they're going to function when they get in the field is determined by how you train. So training is crucial. This is why again, and George, if you haven't done it, go to our YouTube site, check out all of our videos. We should have up in the next few days, we're going to have a bunch of other instructional videos that we've already finished. Everything's already on tape, it's already canned, it's just the amount of time it takes to do final editing, which isn't that long. And then we got to be able to take the time to get it up on YouTube.
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Well Mark, I think I got something else I can add to my barter system. They had this restaurant they were cleaning out because people just upped and left. Well, if we get ready to throw a whole bunch of stuff away, they had boxes and boxes of sugar, packets of honey, packets of lemon, and coffee and packets. They were going to throw this out? Yeah. Can I have it? What's that? I hope you grabbed it all. Oh yeah, I did. It filled a whole back of my van.
Excellent. Now let me ask you, see here's something, and I'll point this out for all of our friends, because this is something we just had probably about a ton of oatmeal dropped off that was, you know, in individual packets like that. Everybody said, you know, one of the discussions is, well, we rip it open, you put it into, we could do one gallon dry canning, and you don't want to do that, okay? Anytime you've got it in small individual packets like you just got, the wonderful part about this is if you have to help other people,
Think about this, George. Everything's already set up into doled out formations, you know, doled out increments, so you can just hand it out to somebody and just go to the next person, you know what I mean? Form a line here. We start over, you start here at this point. Just get in line. As you come through, you're going to get one of these, two of these, one of this, bag of oatmeal, here you go, get out of here. In other words, it makes it easier to issue out
or to ration as needed the amount of food that you have on hand and if you got it for free you're not out anything. If you need to barter it or trade with it, think about it. You only barter, you only pull out. When you're bartering or trading, you only pull out what you want to trade. You don't bring a big bucket of stuff and say I'll give you a cup full because that makes it hard to say well you know, I only want to get rid of so much because they're busy, you know, the guy's busy there with saliva drooling out of the corner of his mouth while he's going through it but I want it all.
I mean, but coffee would be like a commodity. Yes, coffee is another thing. Again, inexpensive coffee or markdown coffee when you can get it cheap, cheap, cheap. Even if you don't drink it, coffee is something that everybody else will buy. Yes, and like I said, like I said, the sugar I kept in the cool, I'm putting in the cool rooms because sugar will, if you leave it in moist areas, even in a little packet. As far as like, like,
All the other stuff, like I said, was packets of honey, lemon, tea bags. I mean, it's all good. Absolutely. Well, here's the thing is, again, think about this. You can divide it up into individual packets now. You can leave it. Is it in boxes or is it in bags? Well, it's in those little bags, like pot. They don't have filters on it. It's all filtered in. You just drop it right in. No, no. I mean, the material itself, was it in boxes? Yes. So you're already pre-packaged, right? Ready to go? Yeah.
The only thing you might want to do is like say maybe Saran wrap the box to give it another layer of protection. Get a dollar store Saran wrap, wrap the thing up and gives it another vapor seal. Alright, one more question before I go. I've been there watching the Alice Jones martial law tapes and I saw it just hit me. He's cops are sitting there helping out Delta Force and yet these guys don't seem to get it. These cops don't seem to get it. These Delta Force are trained to take over their police stations.
Am I right about that? Absolutely. That was the whole mission behind the original exercises that were being covered in the 90s. What were they doing? They were practicing kicking in a police station from all directions, including from the air. Everybody was sitting there helping them. And it's like, guys, think about what you're doing. Think about what it is they're practicing to do. And they're practicing on American soil.
weren't doing it because they're getting ready to do anything overseas, they're perceived as the problem. Is there everybody thinking that I've got this special deal, I'm a pet puppy. The local cops and we've got this listed, handgun control incorporated in their agenda, which remember is nothing more than an extension of the ADL, Southern Perversion Law and the globalist agenda. To the very last part of the letter we have it posted on our website on libertytreeradio.4mg.com.
We may have it on the PBN site. We'll link, check our sites out. But at the very last page it says, once they get all the guns from everybody else, then they're going to turn their guns on the police and take theirs. Flat out. I know. No, you can't be, they're just, and they're the only people who will have guns will be the occupiers and some of the allowed, like SWAT slash paramilitary teams, and that's it.
You know once they've got the dunderheads to cooperate with the betraying the nation They're gonna be thrown right in the ditch with everybody else Well one thing I did do I printed up a flyer from gun owners of America? About this new gun bill and I started passing around to the police and they're like man I didn't know that gun bill did that and they all and they all seen the psychiatrist just because we had a couple of sure I'm on a line of duty and they went and saw the police psychologist because they were a They took it pretty hard
The whole point is that they've got the cycle babble, but okay, here's the thing guys, everybody out there listening. What do you think the commissar was? What do you think the commissar was? He was a psychologist slash psychiatrist. He was the in charge of the cycle babble core. They were the secret police of the secret police and they had the, and any who wasn't with the party, anybody who wasn't with the, with being Soviet socialist. In other words, anybody who wasn't part of the socialist scam.
was deemed to be crazy by the commissars and that's what they have brought to America and you've got them in every cop shop and you've got them in every military formation the same Soviet socialist political commissars are all through the United States with the same agenda in place. God bless Mark. Thank you George. God bless. Bye bye. Well ladies and gentlemen we're going to break. We'll be back here in about three minutes. We the People Radio Network.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back. This is the intel report. Last 12 minutes and we got Jerry, Lee, and Will. So we're going to try to get everybody up on the air. First, we got Jerry from Connecticut. Jump in there, Jerry, please. How you doing, Mark? Very good. Good. I guess our fearful leader apparently figures the Armenian genocide never happened, right? Yeah. According to the Goye Bay crowd anyway. As they said, who will remember?
the problem. If you're not part of the kosher mafia, I guess you've never been part of the genocide, so to speak. Especially, that's one of the things, there are people, and the one woman that I know, well you bring up a memory there. Because she's gone now, she was in her 90s, she was a survivor of that death march.
It was a very interesting moment to talk to, but when it came to fighting, I'll tell you what. I would have had her, wouldn't have been proud to have her next to me anytime because she's fought out, said she goes, you never give up your weapons. Never. We should have fought. We should have fought with anything we had. And everybody learned by the time they were on that road, that the only option they had that they had truly had was to fight because the atrocities and the murders and the butchering that took place with that particular round up.
by the Ottomans was horrendous to say the least. I mean, it was just said she would cry every time she talked. You know, I think it basically comes back to something you relate to very often as Pulseneith. They only took up arms and took these people out one at a time when they came for them.
you know i mean it that looked at all needed retirement retirement in the way you don't utilizing the lead is the boy is the best solution when it comes to tyrants and it is the only solution that they apparently know there are they listen to otherwise their logic is that any kind of kindness is a weakness that because we're trying to be the restraining and we have restrained our brother and that somehow were stupid you know that what they do is they make did they make uh... they mistake kindness for weeks
is to the point now where the most ignorant comment I heard from one of them is that, well, they're doing this to fish. Well, there's nobody out there. They know better than that. What they're worried is that nobody's interested in talking to them anymore. It's either support Ron Paul or it's get ready for war. It's that simple. I mean, either if you're not, and I understand some people just are, well, they're not even interested in the election process. They're just getting ready for war. And I believe that that is the solution.
stress that enough to any listener out there if you're not prepared for the storm that is coming you are you are going to be in trouble and war is coming it is not enough the death knell of this country has already been announced when they talk about dropping the borders of the united states now just harp on that because it is the key it is the death of the united states but you know i i i find it very interesting you know because uh... i'm a grandpa order obviously you are just about about it and uh...
It's quite clear that the powers that be absolutely are trying to work overtime to negate any of his potential, so to speak. You know, we know how this voice is kind of an oxymoron, so to speak, to where we're going to keep playing this game over and over and over again. I have a feeling that Ron Paul, if he gets any kind of traction at all, is going to be in a bad situation. I have to keep an eye out for him. It's one of the things we were
That's why we were there were several things we could have done at the rally here on campus But our reason we spread out the way that we did was to keep an eye on the crowd all before we know what he is our Mission was to watch everything else that was going on along with all the other friends that we had there We'd already pre-agreed to that and I think everybody has to be thinking the same way I've heard his voice before we've had him up on the air over the years You know what the man stands for but we need to watch is for the characters that are going to try to silence him Step one step two is we of course
the bureaucracy isn't going to like him because he's already told them that the bureaucracy, the blood sucking leech, is going to be reduced dramatically. We have to first, and that doesn't mean the soldiers don't like him, the number one contributor to the Ron Paul cause right now, he's the number one person that soldiers are contributing to. Well I think the biggest thing is one, to enjoy the step and fetch that the mainstream media has.
can't win, he can't win. You know what I mean? That comes through more and more every day. Well that tells me, again, for our friends listening, we need our young people to do some videos. He can't win. Oh, he doesn't stand a chance. Oh, he doesn't stand a chance. Well he doesn't stand a chance. Oh, he doesn't stand a chance. I mean, I'd love to have that in one tape just like what George Bush said in New World Order once. I mean, we've got one tape where it's 50, I think 58 times, 58 different events, and New World Order. We have to enjoy the fact that there are
They're getting themselves tied up in a knot, not wanting to have him become the Republican nominee, but also we have to worry about the fact that if he gets that close, they're going, well, I'll let you go, Mark. Let you get some more callers. Thanks, Mark. Thank you, Jerry. God bless. From Texas, we jump in there, please. Hey, Mark. How's it going? Very good. I have a question, another weapons question. Sorry. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that my MLS was being in the band. A friend of mine, and I know how you feel about the design of the 7-H
and I wouldn't certainly go out and try and buy anything new from them. Desert Eagle 45. Well, they're an excellent firearm, but there's a lot of other American-made arms. Let me put it this way. For what it costs, and I know you're letting you borrow a Desert Eagle, and a lot of guys have them, and if they have them, that's fine. But if you're looking for a personal arm, let's put it this way. What I mentioned earlier in the program, spare, if you get a 1911, there's so many 1911 knockoffs, it's just a matter of what flavor you choose. I would do a straight 1911 A1 combat sights.
straightforward on the frame, maybe, maybe, maybe throw the ball or have the barrel, throw the barrel for going to be feeding that pistol with ammunition. And remember, magazines are as little as $2.50 a piece for 1911. You can buy the aftermarket 45 ACP mags right here. The gun show's here in Michigan. $2.75, $2.50 a piece for aftermarket mags or spend more money on the combat mags, but you can get mags all over the creation.
all the spare parts firing pin extractor ejectors spare barrels everything sitting everywhere nervous i ask the guys to react to the ticket and shot it because i never shot a 45. you're a beautiful weapon and but one of the things i asked the guys about how much a clutch thing is about 40 bucks a pop i don't want that right for 11 dollars i'm okay average price for a nice combat mag for the 1911 there'll be an eight or perhaps even a nine shot in straight line but it's got a little extended kit on the bottom
is going to be $11, $15 apiece. That's at the high end. So you can find bags all over the place for the 1911. It's purely a matter of what you want to spend. Well, we have the SAC to Gun Show coming up this weekend. I'm very ambitious for what you guys got to go do in concrete. By the way, as far as easy to do, but you got burnt out on coffee and motion on it. Well, that's the whole point, is to have some on the shelf because of the people that do. It has to be used as a tool because, remember, you're looking at some long hours.
uh... the caffeine works for two things i know that uh... certain people don't use caffeine because of religious reasons obviously uh... but uh... but the caffeine works of course obviously uh... to activate the system so the diuretic and in some cases depending on the type of menu you're eating the diuretic is handy if it's quite coffee's in the in the m r e's and was in the sea rations you help to balance a diet out which is the other thing and you talk about the borders coming down and you know it's it i i really try not to look at the window okay that
that guy's not, you know, but you should see what people are walking around with out of these things. I'm going, well, what the hell are they putting that in? You know, somebody who couldn't speak English, but his friend, you know, could say 762. And they're walking out with a crate in it. I'm just going, well, where the hell is that going? Well, AKs south of the border from China are all over the place. And they're the real AKs that go, clack, clack, not just clack. So keep that in mind. And there's SKS is all, I mean, there's a lot of stuff south of the border and stuff that they've brought across. You know, you think about, if you can bring in a bale of marijuana,
How many AKs can you fit in a bail space of marijuana? You see what I mean? Well, if they're going to let them smuggle in truckloads like that one scumbag that went against the Border Patrol police, that they arrested the two border cops and put them in jail, okay, that same guy with that same truck, how many loads of AKs could he bring across? For the same price, I mean for the same price and space. If they're letting bails and van loads of marijuana come across, or other drugs,
just think of what else can fit into the same confined area and how many of them. And that's what you're facing on the other side. Well, if it's going to happen, it'll be fabricated, I think, as much as anything. The Posex shooters are one thing, and then there are some where they actually have put shooters out there and made them disappear.
as smart as we are. We're so trainable. I know. Conditioning. Well, thank you Lee. I'll tell you what. We're losing time. We've got Will who is still waiting. Will, thank you for being patient. Thank you Lee. Will, if you can, call back tomorrow first thing. I promise we will bring you up right away, please. This is the top of the hour. Two hours go by so quickly. As always, God bless the Republic.
Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We're on the march. Six bad heads chasing down the road. Give them a backpack full of rocks at the coast. Let them swim halfway back to the snakes. The sharks will feed well. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, and good night. See you tomorrow.
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