Mark Koernke discussed militia preparedness, weapons systems, and combat effectiveness on Weapons Wednesday. The episode featured extensive technical analysis of rifle calibers, comparing the superior range and stopping power of .308 NATO and larger cartridges used by militia formations versus the shorter-range 5.56 NATO and M4 carbines used by U.S. military forces. Koernke detailed militia training programs that taught young recruits to operate diverse international weapons systems, emphasized the critical importance of weapon maintenance and cleaning (particularly for AR-15 platforms prone to carbon buildup), and took caller questions about combat scenarios including air defense against helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft. The discussion included references to Iraq War experiences, Abu Ghraib prison abuse, and the superiority of AK-pattern rifles in desert environments.
I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free.
in home of the grave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free, in home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn.
and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?
O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic in each God-given right, and pray to God to keep the torture freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame.
For even now his tyrants trampled each God-given right. We only watched him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave to dill the land of the free?
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Wtpr and like we're right here with you in the room very good broadcasting medium there now today is Already because we know that for as far as we can see we command the battlefield it is swept in touch on this very quickly I hope everybody's been paying attention what I truly truly believe in now There's certain things that I will apply to our philosophy, but accuracy over volume fire accuracy over volume fire
As I've said many times, 500 misses are not a cumulative hit, okay? It's not a video game, people. And even, you know, that's one of the problems. Yes, you can suppress to a degree, but remember... Yeah, there's no Chinese koolie behind you carrying two cases or a rickshaw full of ammunition. Do you see him back there? So the idea behind this is you're carrying the weapon and you're engaging a target for a specific reason. Put it down. That's how they look at you.
I've been watching some of this and I had to laugh because we had a little comment made, this is really kind of fun, from some one of our adversaries I am sure overseas and you know, little reminder, well you know the military trains out to 300 yards and I'm thinking 300 yards. The average infantryman trained in the United States with battle sight zero for the M14 and M1 rifle is 645 yards, not 300 meters.
And remember, a meteor and air are pretty close. So guys, we are mostly carrying in the militia. Now, this is the other thing for all those people listening who haven't thought the math through, and I said this years ago, and this is where the battlefield has gone. Most of the other governments and countries have dropped down to 223, 545, and 30 Russian. While on the other hand, most of the militia formations here in the United States where they haven't cut up guns, my boys, I, do you hear me, might?
Okay, unlike England. All of us over here, we've got 300 Win Mags. We've got 308 NATO, slash 7.62 by 51. We've got 30 at 6. We're looking at a lot of calibers that reach pretty much twice the distance of all of the light rifles, the ARs, bullpups, the British bullpups.
The FAMAS is that everybody else is carrying now that doesn't mean we don't have air 15s But here's the thing guys we're not restricted like they are in Europe where we have to restrict to a 100 yard range Let me give an example Don You were invited to a match in Pennsylvania And you and Ed my oldest son were on the adventure to go shoot Well, what happened when you realized that you didn't exactly know where the range was well backtracking as we went across a almost literally
thousand yard range around here and the ocean over it, you take that and we hit about six or eight ranges before we got to the one. And those are just the public ones that were kind of like, yeah, sure, everybody shoots over there at the thousand yard range. Guy on the street knew about. Yeah. When I hear these people on the other side of the planet who are working with the New World Order Click, they're with the global cops, they're with the Canadian UN, they're with the British UN, they're with whatever.
i don't think you have a clue exactly what you're going to be dealing with hearing we understand that most of us have been soldiers so i understand the excitement running in the chopper more rock working with an eight p c your main effect on it i was changed and trained and i can write pretty operate most stations on the m five five one uh... sharon okay well light tanks like for confidence vehicle everybody calling a tank of the vehicle okay cut-ture it's really cool aluminum but it's very anybody's a trade had to the sharon love the vehicle and hated it in other ways but it was
about piece of equipment. Well anyway, my point is this guys, we work with all those. We've seen all your newer equipment too. And by the way, we help to develop it. Okay, we're all in the militia now. Okay, we're on this side working just fine and we know and have full knowledge of all your latest toys. We help to build them. We develop the systems that are the foundation for and we help to build them. Not only do we know about the ones you're using now, but we can go back one, two, and three generations because we are the people who use that equipment.
So there isn't a whole lot on the battlefield that we can't pick up and literally run the moment we put it in our hands. Well, Mark, you table the example of the President. You put me in a jet! And, you know, the example there, B-29s. When they flew B-flying B-29 out of the lake there, they didn't want to fly it. They were insistent on a test, but they didn't want to take the chance of it and taking it off again. The engineer had to be rated for that air or something like that. He'd tried. He'd already flown the other big transport version of the B-29.
The systems were basically the same as the B-17. And he didn't need it. Much like if you can work that at M-15, figure out, well, gee, if you stumble across the... Clacky, clacky, looky, looky, flippy, the magazine, everything works, point and pull, but let's try and make sure that we're familiar with it first. And that's one of the things... Now, I worked as an opt-for commander. I worked as an opt-for trainer, and as an opt-for commander progressively. One of the things that we specialized in, all with Militia Forces Kids, for all the other bad guys out there listening who don't have a clue,
I could take the youngest man in the unit, by the way, some of them were sons of men who were veterans of Vietnam and they were 11 to 14 years old and Don, they were training men three times their age. These young men could take any weapon of 150 different arms sitting in a demonstration table that we had laid out. They could pick that weapon up or, well, here's how we did it. We would bring a National Guard or Reserve unit in and they didn't have a clue who they were dealing with.
Except that we were very professional if you want to use that term very squared away Everybody knew what they were doing and obviously performed in an outstanding manner But what would happen is we would let the unit of the individual train with a particular weapon of their choice on the range for live fire They would come over to choose the weapon and one of the many on-hand instructors one for one and others for every shooting station There was one instructor. He could be 11 to 14 years old you could be
67 or 70 years old, he could be 35 years old and anywhere in between. That young man or that older man or the man in between who was middle aged would then walk the individual out to the range to the weight fight shooting station or on the line right behind it and would give them instruction and would monitor the shooter as they were operating the weapon. Everything from Tokarev pistols to Mac 10s to
AK-47s to 223 Daywoos to every squad gun you can think of and all the fun toys in between. Every name you can imagine, Hakeem's, Rashid's, Galil's, yada yada yada. It didn't make any difference. We had everything there as a sample and each person for the first time in their military history that we were training touched another arm from another country that he probably was going to have to deal with in the field. And the Department of Defense never had this type of class organized. We did this independently.
Now, this served two purposes. This created an exceptional cadre of now-trained militia men, many of them young at the time, who are now company and squad, or actually squad leaders are now the young men that are in their 14, 15-year, 16-year, 18-year bracket anyway. But let's say that that 11-year-old is now, say, 21, 24, 25, whatever, he was taking over platoon and company-strength formations and helping to organize and regiment militia forces.
We have been doing this for years. We have done this before you knew what the word militia meant. We did this quietly to build up a vast and massive cadre of militia across the country. Almost every one of them at one time or another has served. Some of them I did not wish to see served, but they chose to go into uniform. They did that and they came back. And that's why even during Desert Dust, now give me an example, you do the math here people. I had people that I had trained
in the active military, the reserve and the National Guard, and had people that I had trained virtually in every military formation in Desert Dust Part 1. My wife will attest to it, Nancy, and anybody else who was around, that we sat and debriefed. I would sit down and debrief these young men as they came back progressively and mustered out, or recycled out even though they wanted to stay in, so that was the Gooberman's Laws. Of course, they wanted to try and spread them out because of Gulf War Illness, and I debriefed them.
specifically to get an overview of the actual battlefield conditions, not the BS that you saw in Time Magazine and Newsweek. The world was totally different. Brigade commanders now. Militia formations now. The ones that are becoming disenfranchised right now because they realize they've been betrayed over there in Iraq, a lot of those people are waking up and they're connecting too. That's why this anti-gun bill has been proposed, people.
Think about this, you know, and I'm tying this in for a reason. This is why we're laying the foundation, okay, from the militia and the firearms. First of all, subnote on this. The reason I bring this up, the .308 cartridge, the .30 caliber Russian 7.62x54, all of these main battle rifle cartridges reach farther than their light rifle counterparts. So we have all of those. In buying the, uh, hahaha, obsolete systems as they call them, we have literally up-gunned the militia to another tier.
beyond the potential of the common infantureman on the ground that the other side has, the green weenie who thinks he's, you know, got on this green earth, first bullet hits him. And all of a sudden you hear the, when you hear the thunk on your armor and you realize that it's perforated and there's a hole out the back, and I'm talking about body armor, and you realize that then you've heard the, just that, yeah, you're pretty fast at 18 to 25 years old and you got, you're feeling your oats, but you know what, you're not feeling for very long when you got a half inch hole in you.
Now that's just abbreviating the whole program. Now we understand that because we've seen a lot of people hurt in many different ways. Typically in very bad situations. My ambition is to make sure I do that to my enemy first before he gets a chance to do it to me. I'll shoot him before he shoots me. That's right. I'm getting slower as they say. I understand that. I have limitations. I'm 50 years old plus now, okay? So that means that I have to calculate and plan accordingly to be a superior combatant on the battlefield.
And all of you have to think the same way. We tailor our technology accordingly. Reach out and touch them at distance. Accuracy over volume fire. We'll be back in a minute. You got Dotto Markets. Weapons Wednesday here on wtprn.com.
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Jeff, how you doing, sir? Very good. There? You got a military, so I can attest for what the standard light imagery is running with right now. I'm the heaviest thing that got to them 240 Bravo, which is 308 NATO. Other than that, it's all junk. And I know what you mean by standoff distance too, because a lot of the firefights we used to get into in Iraq, or we still do get into Iraq, they've got a basically almost 100 meter distance on us for a cushion. Now, you know, I'm a question here. Were you using the light carbine, or did it go with the A2?
I was using M4 until I got blown up and I had to go with an A2. Okay, that was one. You see, this is one of the things... Go ahead, sir, please. Go ahead. The difference between the M4 and the A2 is that...
foot you lose on your barrel, the distance on the barrel, you also lose almost 200 meters to it. Right, that's one of the things, one of the interesting twists to this is remember when we were using the 308 NATO cartridge 762 by 51, we actually had about 150 meter range beyond the AK. In other words, we reached a little farther just in general. What's happened by going to the M4 is now we have a reversal. We've now shortened the barrel, which means we've lost muzzle energy and we've lost range.
And so now what's happening is here we have the AK and the SKS in 7.62x39 now reaching farther with more energy when they get to the target. On the beforehand they're also going with a, I don't know if it's rock, it's not rock on but it's the ammunition company is making them a lighter grain with less powder which is, yeah. So if you guys are buying a military made 2.2.3 or 7.62 NATO,
be careful who you're buying it from because they're starting to lighten up on the powder and the grain. Now I think part of that tied into the lightening up on the powder is remember you're using a shorter barrel and one of the things that we had a problem with the car 15 when it came out which is what the M4, all the M4 is just the car 15 reinvented. And what they did, if you remember on the car 15, the XM177,
They had a long, it was a psionics, it wasn't just a flyshatter, but it was a cone flyshatter to a degree while it was a basket system on the end. It was also a suppressor so that it reduced noise. What concern was the unburned powder leaving the end of that muzzle. And so what they're trying to do is compensate, well, two things. Their chin's set out on the powder. I have a big problem with contractors because you know they're not doing it to help the troops. They're doing this to help themselves. Yeah, I know.
My first question for you is, I don't know if you guys got it, but I was a registered small arms master gunner in the military. And I have all the discs and discets and CDs for all the range supplies and targets and how to set your off-sites for your bore sites and all that crazy stuff. Oh, excellent. If you guys need that, I can wire it over to you. Well, I'll tell you what, if you like staying content, yes. As a matter of fact, what we'll do is you might just want to put it on disc and move it that way.
I've already got it on disk. I'll just burn you know. Okay, that'd be fine. I'll tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna have something down your way pretty soon. If you want, here's our email. It's liberty. Alrighty. Provide.net. Provide.net. If we can stay in touch that way, of course, listen to us on the air because I'm gonna be making an announcement. One of our friends is working on something right down there in your neck of the woods. Got the Knob Creek machine gun shoots coming up. Yeah. Well, I've had a lot of people in the area.
aware and awake to what's going on since I've been out in the military and there are a lot of them are civilians, there's a couple of prior service guys in there. But we don't have an area around the Bowling Green area that we can get down to and shoot long distances, so we're actually looking for some. National, I know it's a ways, but well it's not too far from you. Knob Creek has a range that can be used if you ever take a look at it, go and check it out during the shoot and then you can use that range during the week.
And on the weekends, I know if you talk to the guys, that's an open range. It's a beautiful facility. It was an artillery impact area for naval gunnery research. In fact, you're about as high up as you can get on that ridge where it's set up. My last question for you is, I sent you an email. I was the guy that was telling me about the electrolysis for the turn, right around your car off of salt water? Yes, yes. So, you mean that's worked yet? I'm doing it for my chemistry project for the college I'm going to. The dynamo form, basically what it is is a fuel additive.
extra hydrogen option in your engine so you get better gas mileage. But I want to try to Jerry Wiggett, engineer it and if it works properly I'll send you a copy of what I've got done and that way I can at least condone it working properly. I know you may not have a lot of money but you know an interesting way to do this, pick up a 50 or 100 dollar clunker and convert it over as a test vehicle for the class. Yeah I just picked up an 87 uh... Oh excellent.
That's exactly it. The whole idea of taking a package and actually make it so you can take it to someplace and show them that it works. Drive it up and use it. Yep. I can confirm that this is bull on this conversion thing. Like I said, I'll get the text done and I'll get it back to you. Now in our chat room, which is at Liberty Tree Radio, we've got a lot of guys talking. We're working on the steam engine projects too. There's different people that are discussing it right now. If you go to our Liberty Tree Radio,
Yeah, dot 4 mg and then go to the chat room there. There's guys in there you can converse with too. Okay. Thank you, Jeffrey. Thank you. God bless. Now again, that this is interesting because well, he, well, what are you saying? I know a lot of the guys are talking about this and the, uh, the problem with going to the short rifle was that, yeah, if you're going to pay SWAT team or police, yeah, I guess so. And it's not that it's a, the AR has all kinds of problems, but it is a, the positive thing is it's a very easy weapon to perform with. I know a lot of guys that they'll swear by their ARs and I understand that.
But the biggest problem and the single problem that you have to remember if any of you out there are going to own the AR-15M16 family of rifle, you gotta clean it. You must, you have to be absolutely religious. And there's a reason, if you look inside your upper receiver, you will notice that there is a little gas tip. That little gas port tip made out of this, a little stainless steel tube, remember that's your gas diverter.
Everything's coming back down that tube, connects to that little kit that's on the little post that's on top of your bolt carrier. Well, guess what? All that unburned carbon ends up right there where the magazine and all everything else, you know, the bolt carrier, the bolt pickup is all right there. And carbon is not conducive. It works, remember, like emery cloth, only really fine emery material. It works like dirt, like dirt. So here you have dirt injected back into the shooting area, or I should say the functional area of the weapon.
where the pickup takes place, the magazine sits, the magazine ramp is, your boat is located. What happens is because it's a machine, it scrapes stuff off areas where there's build up and shoves it into places where you don't want it. If you were in the military and they try to teach you early on, clean the weapon thoroughly, there's a reason for that. Your life depends upon it. Now, the problem is this. Like with Iraq, this is also true of any place where you got lots of sand, southeastern United States, I'm sorry, southwestern United States.
many other parts of the planet where it's dry and dusty, anything that can get into those areas is also going to try to get into those areas. Now you've got, well let's see, sandbox sand combined with carbon, and what does that do, Don? The upper receiver and low receiver are made out of aluminum. So there's another problem that eventually creates slop, it creates gouge marks. I mean, we're microscopic at first, but progressively wear and tear is going to be obvious.
So the AR for especially the Iraqi environment is not good. Now we will make a sub note on this. You'll notice that the Iraqis, look at all the videos, you don't see them carrying M16s, the Iraqi allies that we have. They have been demanding the AK. Now there's two reasons. Number one, they know because of their experience in their battlefield environment that all the other rifles that they've played with, and by the way they bought G3s years ago, they bought
uh... h k ninety five ninety died down straight down to you trees and the h k ninety five they bought uh... let's see the head brands they had even uh... f and f a l's and after the experiment with a lot of other weapons for their battlefield condition the a k was their best choice they also know that they're going to be abandoned by us they've seen everybody come and go from the middle east they don't want to get stuck with something you can get parts for in the world that aware out too soon so they're sticking with a weapon that works
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On cover the truth with Catherine Albright live from 9 a.m. To 11 a.m. Monday to Friday right here on we the people radio network Not Domrietta all right you guys we're back and I'm looking through the dictionary here so that I might bounce it prime and give you the Definition what it just doesn't been here. Oh, yes, here it is Mastic like crushing or needing masticate
And as we've been describing, you know, there's an old phrase about the M16, Mark. I'm not going to relate it word for word. You know, that German tell you that you do need to clean your M16, your AR10, your AR15, because it has a really bad habit, you guys. It defecates where I won't give you the more version of it, but many of you out there recognize what I'm trying to tell you. And, Mark, you described it in a very scientific clinic. Again, you guys, carbon buildup is not friendly. Mechanical operation is just
go yeah how many I will stop point this out a lot of you guys have among car beings and you've had been frustrated with them and might even sold them you're gonna go dope when you hear what I'm gonna say again a lot of them when car beings the only problem that you have with them is that there's carbon buildup in the gas tap it area where the little pain underneath the barrel there's a diverter there the gas is on his is burning remember it's hot it pushes that little tap it which taps a little bit of the the charging plate which moves your little bulk carrier okay the charging handle which moves your bolt which
the weapon work. What happens is you get all this carbon buildup around the carbine tap it, which makes the carbine unique by the way. That is the unique feature of that rifle. It builds up carbon and gets sticky. Well, it doesn't want to work properly. It doesn't work properly. You get a failure to cycle. So a lot of you have had stovepipes or you've had failure to feed and you get frustrated with that carbine, even if it's an aftermarket carbine like a universal or a plain field. Both of those rifles will work
provided you keep them clean, just like the AR-15. All rifles are machines. And I can't stress, most people, we always use video examples. Remember, the big red one, every time you saw the troops stop, what do you see them doing first? They're cleaning. That's right. They're cleaning their guns. The weapon keeps you alive. Everything else is secondary. The weapon keeps you alive. You make sure the weapon is functional so that it keeps you alive, because the weapon keeps you alive. If the weapon does not function, you will die.
Okay, now you may get killed anyway because God is, you know, the fickle finger of fate is going to perhaps hit you and you don't ever know when that's going to happen. But let's try to improve the odds by making our equipment work to the best of our ability. So the important thing is that your weapon is virtually attached to you and it is maintained just as you should maintain yourself so that you are an efficient weapon. There is a rifleman's creed that was written by bringing it back to the next break.
The reason I brought it up is because on the other hand, and everybody knows this, it's handled the AK, the FAL, and real quick, their works in the drawer rifles, we were just talking about this off the air, their works in the drawer rifles, their flat machine surfaces, they have intentional self-cleaning features, and that's why they work even when they get dunked up, and they also created, they gave them sloppier tolerances intentionally to accommodate, now the FAL's not sloppy, but they put either cleaning slots,
or they machined the technology so that it would, you know, they engineered it so that when it was machined it would tool in a certain way when it operates. And it would actually evacuate debris and material and junk from the weapon. Well the AK does that, the FAL does that, even the HK-91 does that. Another reason why the gas adjusts. And under the assumption that you're going to have really junk ammo showing up. Yeah, to the end of the day and guess what happens? You clean your gun! That's right, the first chance you have. Before anything else, water in your system, keep yourself hydrated.
make sure that that weapon is functional before you do anything because if it ain't functional while you're doing something else somebody else is looking at the possibility of catching off guard and killing you. I got a box full of parts here they're inside the poncho what do I do now? Well harsh language or better still do what Mark and Don said reach in you reach for your revolver or your automatic and start plugging away but your main battle rifle would have been a better choice. Yeah. Okay so that is an issue and we're talking about basically you know you know
Critical performance is needed to keep you alive. And again, a lot of people do not buy the support systems. They buy, they got some beautiful arms out there, but they don't have the cleaning kits and the support equipment, the fluids, P-O-L, petroleum oil and lubricant products, to keep the weapons running.
And that's critical. Now here's the thing. There's all kinds of cool surplus gear out there that matches the weapon you have. Try to get some of that. Right now there's HK 30 caliber cleaning kits for almost nothing. They're German manufactured, very high quality, and you can't beat them for the price. Get them now. They're surplus. There won't be any more. They're surplus. That doesn't mean Kmart or Walmart. That means when they're gone, they're gone.
So again, how many, my favorite, the $56 case of SKS ammunition. Hey Mark, you got any more of those 1,600 round cases of $56 SKS ammo? Well we might, but they're not $56 and we're not selling any. Okay, it's that simple because you can't get any more. We told everybody to get it while you can. Now the warning here by Jeffrey is a good point.
what they're doing and this is something that all countries have done except for the United States. We have maintained a higher standard than anybody else during World War II. And I'm a historian and I've done a lot of research on this. We experimented in preparation for invasion. We experimented to see if we could come up with cheaper solutions but the standard and quality of the American ammunition and the American armament system in World War II and even to Korea was higher than anybody else on the planet.
period. Frankfurt Arsenal, if you ever get a chance, do the research. We've got some people out there that are interested. Take a look at Frankfurt Arsenal. That was our research arsenal for the Department of Defense. They did work by the likes of which you can't even imagine. They made 30 caliber rifle rounds that had artillery precision instruments on board and actually demonstrated and got them to work. Now, I wouldn't want to go out and buy the things if you had to make them, but the point is that they did all of this and they made things work with
in a simpler process and did it all with the 30 caliber round or with the 50 caliber and in fact even was by the way there's a little weapon in between called the 60 caliber machine gun most people don't realize this at the end of world war two they wanted to switch to a 60 and they actually did start to build it they continued to make ammunition and components for it through and into the 50s but there's actually another caliber there that's a ghost most people don't realize exists anyway
I know we got callers. The point is this, clean your weapon, clean your weapon, and religiously clean your weapon. Okay, that is the issue. And now don't lubricate your ammunition, but make sure you, in fact, in other words, extract the ammo. Make sure the weapon's clear. Okay, let's do this from Weapons 101. You know, maintain safety standards. Always check, clear, check, clear. Make sure that weapon is clear. Then clean the weapon. We don't want the embarrassing results down the road.
then make sure it's clean, don't let the oil mix with the ammo, ever. Okay, we got callers down, we're gonna go right down. George, Matt, and Tom, George, Matt, and Tom, guys, I want you to go ahead, whatever you're gonna do, we're gonna try and get everybody in, so George, go. Yes, Mark, I remember my father telling me when he gave 16s for first issued in Vietnam, that he written a lot of letters from dead Marines to the family, and you know, because
Yeah, there was two was two problems number one as well as many problems with it. Oh god. You get on a shopping list It's very long but number one the biggest problem we had is that originally stoner proposed actually using a chrome bolt and he went with a lot of the Russian philosophy on internal parts The army didn't want the chrome bolt because obviously it's a flash I mean we went with chrome chrome high chrome and it was a reflective surface that drew fire The other problem was powder and of course the as we said it
where it masticates and so that created other problems in and of itself. I was just talking to my son. No, that's okay. But you know, the thing is, also I talked to a Tampa police officer online. They did a roundup of MS-13 gangs and they came across a cache of a thousand MP5s. Here's the strange thing, they traced all those weapons back to the US government purchasing them, but they were never listed as stolen. Yes, I know.
I mean, the if not Department of Defense so much as doing, I don't remember that if the spooks and cooks, it's like what you're seeing in Iraq right now. If the CIA walks in and says that they want to do something like an Abu Ghraib prison and torture prisoners, if the officers don't step forward, who's going to stop them from doing what they're doing? Be it carrying away ammunition, carrying away weapons, stealing equipment, thieving or abusing troops, go right down the list. When you create this secret police operation, which is an abysmal mechanism,
and it can run rampant. Think of all the other things that gets involved in that. And taking weapons to transfer them to your enemies to create more enemies and problems so that you'll try and terrorize the population. Well, that's part of the, that's all part of their game. This is why, again, they don't like people talking about it, but hey, it's out in your face. And these police officers should know better too, because again, you're right down there in, well, I hate to say, the peninsula of Florida, guys. Look at how much coastline you got. Think all the things that could be moved.
Yeah, it's kind of like about Lindy England. Do you think somebody else who got convicted besides her in Abu Ghraib? Oh, excuse me. Bring up, we'll come back to her in a minute. We'll answer that question, but I want you to ask it again so people can hear it. This is the Intel report. We'll be back in three minutes with Don, Mark. We got George, we got Matt and Tom in the wings.
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When we are back, this is the Intel Report. That's pokerface.com, www.pokerface.com. George, go ahead and ask that question again that you did before the bottom of the hour. Yes, I'm like we're private, Lindy England. With the Abu Ghraib, they showed her with the pictures and all that stuff. And you know the thing is, my father sort of like had suspicions about these egos. So they were ordered to do this. They were told to do this. And I said, because they wouldn't take pictures. And they don't realize.
that the person that got those pictures out and exposed was, I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but it was Colonel Hackworth who mysteriously passed away with a heart attack a few months later. Right, well he was, he's worked with Soldier of Fortune for a number of years, but he was with SF, worked with many, many different elements and was very familiar with the circumstances of Iraq.
And he warned everybody that this, what we see happening is exactly what would happen. And if he were alive, he'd be saying, we would all say, and he said, we told you so. Now, the first of all, this is going through military procedure. And in fact, a lot of guys listening to prior service, you can delegate authority, but you cannot delegate responsibility. In other words, I have not seen a captain. I have not seen a major. I have not seen a colonel. I didn't see a general up there and being courts marshaled for what they did or put in prison.
they could not have been ignorant of what was happening there. Now here's the problem, and this is why that poor, these peon soldiers got piss, excuse me, got urinated on in many different ways. Number one,
they could not be did not have control over the environment because there was a second group okay there might be a chain of command but that chain of command was blindfolded and gagged when it came to asking any questions about these funny people with no uniforms bringing prisoners in and torturing them they did they have if they had uniforms they didn't have insignia didn't have rank which meant they must be important secret police
And so what happened is they would come in and give orders and here you got these kids who were mostly a bunch of, you know, they were experienced to a degree, but they're soldiers, okay? Now they're looking at their command and the command is basically standing their mom and or shrugging their shoulders and he's like, well, just do what they say. Now they should have known better. And that shows me a weakness in the command structure and a weakness on the part of the army to step in, put their foot down and stop it. This goes all the way to the top, you guys, because we heard fearless.
Well, the whole thing is that there is no excuse for any of those people to be going to prison. It's not that people are jumping up and going, Mark, they did okay. The whole story is that they weren't the ones doing it per se. They were told to. Now some of them may have enjoyed it.
or at least the you know gave a bit realizing in a childish way that well what the heck in the sky's the limit because we're not in we're not in power that they just want to leave the obviously went along first of all they went along to the water to no matter what they didn't have a choice and the command did not step in and say you won't give my private you won't give my sergeant's market give my men and my women any orders that are contrary to our military code
Instead, they all stood there with their eyeballs probably bulging and thinking about their retirement because that's the problem. You've got all these professionals and that's the biggest problem. We've got professionals worrying about paychecks instead of people worrying about honor and worrying about decency and that's where the problem was. And then the third group, I should say the second group, the secret police, them coming in from that direction. The third group are the politicos who of course were mixing it up from afar. The Rumsfelds, the, you know, the Chaney's.
but also the Clintons, these characters who all cowered from Vietnam. They all found every way they could to stay away from that war are the ones that threw all these kids into this mix master like this and they have no clue nor any interest in protecting them properly. I don't care if it's a- You know the thing is my dad when he was a lieutenant in Vietnam, and I'm a surprise because hearing all the racial officers, junior officers being killed,
I had asked my dad this question and this and the question was when he first went to Vietnam and got his own platoon he learned to rely on the gunnery sergeant to advise him to learn the field positions the battle conditions but he said too many officers were going there barking off orders and getting fragged or getting killed. Well that would happen on yes that could happen on occasion too yes as much as anything the other problem is remember though that a lot of the officers and yes there's they happen both ways
but a lot of the officers took seriously the position lead from the front. Your attrition rate is much higher on a regular basis if you actually do believe in that policy. It's a combination of issues. But yes, the mistake is, first of all, learn from the experienced ones that are hanging around that are still alive. There's a reason they're still breathing. That should be your first rule. In survival, escape, and evasion, what is the basic premise? Pay attention to the natives. Learn from the natives. They know what's going on.
Because my dad refused orders sometimes to torch villages right George I do it I gotta let you go because we got Matt and Tom waiting in the wings we got to get them up Mark excuse me alright good Okay, call me again. Thank you George Matt we got to get you in there quick so Matt from South Carolina jump in there, please Things that I'm most concerned about is you know let's say you know I'm a part of Melissa What am I gonna do to combat all these things that are flying if there's get up?
There's an excellent book. Okay, real quick, Matt. Here, first of all, find this text. It's an FM out there. It's called, If It Flies, It Dies. First of all, they don't want to show you, you realize how drastically rotary ring operations have ceased in Iraq.
Okay, I'll give you an example. Everybody's terrified. Ignore the propaganda. Number one, you put a bullet in something that's a combat aircraft, the pilot doesn't want to be in a barbecue at 500 feet. Okay, if he thinks there's a problem, he's not staying in the AO. He's leaving the area of operation or he's coming down fast. In one situation, in Iraq during this second invasion, 36 Apaches were taken down in one action. Did you know that? You can help.
36 Apaches in one action. Now, you will not see that in the American press. Where you will see a complete accounting of that is in the Discovery Program in the Canadian CBC, where they actually interviewed all of the officers that were involved with the invasion taking the bridges on the Euphrates. What is interesting is that this unit lost all of its Apaches in the action.
It took two months before something like six or eight of them were back up online of the 36 that were knocked down. Now tell me again about what you're worried about there? Yeah, I mean, I'm just afraid of, you know, I mean... The first rule is, the most important thing with combat operations is coordination and it has to be part of standard operating procedure. At Waco, the Batfaggots had three, had air superiority. The Davidians didn't have helicopters.
What it took was only one man, think about this, one young man grabbed an M1A, copied the M14 in a handful of a couple of magazines, went to one of the windows and engaged with one 20 round mag, first one helicopter, and he dumped all 20 rounds into it immediately. That took that aircraft out of operation at point blank range because they were coming right down on the roofs to shoot at the women and children. The first chopper had holes in it, they unasked, excuse me, they left the area of operation.
The second chopper came in because they were broadsiding while they were attacking. The kid dumped one magazine, loaded the next magazine, loaded the weapon, popped out, and dumped the next 20 rounds into the next chopper. One man basically knocked out two-thirds of the air support that was available. He was killed in the process, unfortunately, but that's because he was working individually. Now imagine all ground infantry engaging an air threat like that.
helicopters are one issue. Now, they are fixed from the aircraft, same thing from a distance. First of all, you got to remember, this is a big country with a large battlefield if things develop. People are thinking very myopically. They don't have enough support to cover the country.
And as things progress, parts don't show up. Spare parts are not where they need to be. Equipment just dies on the ground. Equipment dies in the air. Attrition means that you have to be selective. You don't get this volumous support that everybody pictures in Hollywood. Throw that out the window. It isn't going to happen. Let me ask you this though. What is someone going to do about F-16s?
first they gotta know where you are. Okay, my problem with that is you're assuming that they have completed, okay, let's back up and go to one other situation. I'm giving you quick parallels before the top of the hour. Then you're gonna have to use dispersion because that's the only option you have and that's the bugger on the battlefield. That things happen like that. That threat exists and it's gonna be in place. I'm sorry, go ahead.
I'm going to try for some reason. I don't know why. Go ahead. And Mark, you've mentioned this many times. We still have plenty of people on the inside in our armed forces. People that are when they get the order to shoot Americans are going to turn and shoot the person who gave them that order. This is a vast integrated mechanism and battlefield that you're dealing with, and it's not cut and dry or simple with any formula. As far as air defense against the aircraft, same thing.
And I don't care if it's an F-16, a MiG-25 or whatever, if it's being used for coin, round attack support, it's gonna end up with rounds going downrange to try and engage it, and some far better than you probably can imagine. I'll tell you what, Matt and Tom, stay where you are. We're at the top of the hour. Man, I'm gonna let you try to get back up, because you were breaking up on the phone. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We show prevail, ladies and gentlemen.
The Empire is on the run. We are on the march both day and night. Ooh-rah. Six bayonets chasing down the road. Give them a backpack full of rocks and let them swim back to the spiders over there in the British Mile. Drop that thing that flies around. Look, spare parts. Lots of cool things. Scrap aluminum. See you in a bit. We'll be back in six minutes. Thank you, Don. Thank you, Mark. God bless.
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