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Mark Koernke discussed government overreach through code enforcement, desperation revenue tactics, and police militarization on Weapons Wednesday. Callers John, Tim, and James contributed technical discussions on firearms including AR-15 configurations, bullpup rifles, the M14/M1A, HK-91, Thompson submachine guns, and .45 ACP carbines. Koernke emphasized finding like-minded people through Ron Paul meetup groups and shooting clubs, warned against dejection amid economic collapse, and recommended Smith's Small Arms of the World as a reference resource. The show featured extensive caller participation on preparedness, constitutional rights, and firearm specifications.
- code enforcement
- desperation revenue
- police militarization
- fourth amendment
- weapons wednesday
- ar-15
- bullpup rifles
- m14
- m1a
- hk-91
- thompson submachine gun
- .45 acp
- ron paul
- preparedness
- constitutional rights
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I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat. And speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free.
and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn.
and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?
O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, dill the land of the free? Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the second hour of the Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Cornke, one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters.
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and we want to get everybody up on the air so they can get lost. We've got George who's still with us, we have John from New York, Tim, and we have James from Pennsylvania coming up online. So George, go right ahead, please. Yes, you know the thing is you're talking about like cops becoming like vampires. Our city just hired.
Six new code enforcement officers because the way the fuel prices have been rising, not many people are driving out in the road and not many tickets to be riding. So now they're sending code because I just got a notice in the mail because I placed my garbage out in the curb 15 minutes before the exact time, according to code enforcement. And yet, like I said, the government's turning into a bunch of parasite vampires. And now you've seen, like, in this place, town called Roseland,
city councilman is getting beaten up by the cops because the city councilman is calling for the resignation of the police chief because the police corruption and I see another Athens Tennessee incident happening. Cops don't back off. Well now too, do me a favor, go ahead and elaborate on that real quick for everybody because this was a this was a councilman who of course is proposing that the police chief resign. Yes because he got tired of the corruption. I see. In the police department.
and we give the town, give the county, and give the county, you know, it's in Florida of course. Yeah, it was in Roseland, I don't know where but it's on the AlastonesPrisonPlanet.com website. Oh, okay. They can go to Prison Planet and find their thank you, that's what I needed to know, very good.
This is becoming a problem all over the country and you know it's interesting you bring this up because it just had a couple of other incidents and virtually all points of the compass. What this is is what I warned about and I have repeated this thousands of times and I'll do it again. This is what's called desperation creative revenueing. What it comes down to is this, the very thing that the founding fathers warned everybody about this myriad of octopus laws
were passed and not enforced. But now what's happened is you have desperation financing because government, especially today, is criminal. Those criminals that have gravitated to the public trough to suck off our sustenance are making every effort to find every way that they can scrabble for change or that they can oppress the people because, again, remember this with any of these citations, tickets, parking tickets?
uh... road traffic ticket these are collateral against the debt they can actually take all the citations and all these pieces of paper they've written collect them they actually itemized them by computer this is the beauty of the computer age if you want to call it that and they can actually on a minute by minute or hour by hour tally each of the categories that come up and they can accumulate them and then they present them as part of the collateral for monies that will be exchanged
Of course, with interest, it's going to be paid by you and me through all the creative revenue that they're creating so that they can cycle more and larger chunks of money back into the pockets of criminals in government. Even like the city council passed a law like, annually, a code enforcement has to come into your house.
and inspect your home from the top of the roof down to the foundation. I mean, come in your house, you have to let them in. And that the code enforcement officer can report violations to the police if there's any laws broken. It's like, this is an end run around the Fourth Amendment. This is what's exactly what it was designed to do. An action falls in line with almost the Third Amendment issue of quartering of troops because in a way, they're expecting your household to be an extension of theirs.
of course the officers slash the enforcers has every right to pass through your door under any circumstances that his discretion if he feels that he just wants to and it is a direct violation of the fourth but it also violates separation issues uh... with regard to private property which you which the whole of both the constitution the declaration of independence itself and the bill of rights which are an element of the constitution
...renumerate over and over again. They reinforce over and over again that the right to property is sacred. It is the foundation of our liberty. And your home, what is that term, George? What's the term? A man's home is his what? Castle. Though Mother Nature can enter into it, but the King cannot enter through the door. That's right. Though the roof may clatter and the wind may pass through the walls, the King's troops may not pass the stoop of the door, lest they have a warrant with a bill of particulars.
Exactly. I mean, it's like, by the way, it's like desperation revenue. And like I say, you might see 1946 in Athens, Tennessee, where people are going to be fed up with it. And they'll say, oh, and they try to get rid of the police department here and turn it over to the sheriff's department. And so we let go to the police department. That's the crime will skyrocket in the city of 4,000 people. No, I know.
i'll try another part of this too by the way now here's one of the problems this happened up here in michigan we've got like uh... the selene police department there are several others right here in the area where i live they bought into in the nineties the free pocket of money programs that were up with no accountability uh... townships counties uh... cities villages uh... towns themselves what they did is they bought into accepting all of this money and they went hog wild pardon upon your please
uh... they went hog wild with regard to their spending departments we have one department battle creek michigan that has always had six or seven police officers
As soon as they got this federal money, now they didn't have any more business, they had no crime wave, they hired 53 officers, yeah, 53 because it came to 59 officers total, where they only had six, seven, maybe a couple of auxiliaries that come on to ride around in the cars with the regular guys on a regular basis. Well now, what happened is this, all the federal keep money got cut off.
Now all of a sudden you've got six times the number of cops that you need, but none of them want to get laid off. So George, what do they do next? They go out and they start creative revenue and becoming absolute vicious monsters all over their community. They're not serving the community, servicing the community. In other words, servicing is where you get, in the cattle industry, anybody who's listening, they know what the term service means. It's kind of like, well, let's put it this way, get screwed.
That's what they're doing. And what's happened here is down there in Florida, over in New York, all of these characters are now going rabid. And that was the purpose behind passing this. This was a warning I made years ago. The reason for doing this is to implement these rabid fanatics in place, not right away.
Tyranny doesn't start by getting in your face. Tyranny has to implant itself. The wickedness of Tyranny has to be like an amoeba. It tests, finds a place where the stove's hot and backs off, but it wobbles around everything else. It immerses itself around everything. It becomes this rubber, gooey thing that wraps itself in place, and then, only then, once it's impressed properly, do the fangs show up. That's the only difference. It's a vampire amoeba.
And that's where a crit in Kleinville like back in 1994 came in I put a hundred thousand cops on the street the omnibus crime package which was the appeal one part of it was PL 100-690 public law
100-690. If you look there, you will find the detention camps, you will find the expansion of the police forces, you will find openly where they denied that the MJTF even existed, and I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt it did because we had all the paperwork in hand. Multi-jurisdictional task forces, what that means, MJTF. George, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna let you go because we got John, Tim, and James waiting in the wings.
Okay, I think George is gone John from New York John jump in there before we go to break, please Yes, I got several things here. I was gonna try to rattle them off and then let's take your time Go ahead the song that I really like you've been playing in the March of the Canberra There's also a that was song was also made on Buffy the vampire Slayer and they talk about them being demon But turn them the dust but it might be a good song to play on your station to all really okay Yeah, it's supposed to be the same to my haven't been able to find it, but they said it was
inspired by the uh... march of the camera but they've got a warning about your the send the demons back to the fact that i want to perfect uh... according to the other thing is that i think about them and that young men that uh... wanted to find a about miltia unit that i thought maybe might be easy for him to put away at the paper saying that uh... you'll thirty constitutional uh... bill of rights uh... meeting and maybe some of the things on the agenda would be uh... is america dead with the cut that
the competition dead what they you and you know that kind of thing and it gets better try to find some people that are for like mine that way without outwardly just saying i'm trying to put a mushy and arrested uh... and then do a paintball club kind of thing uh... he may also want to get the book uh... pictures from the coming collapse absolutely yes thank you for the internet off the front of the who like to know kind of a thing and then that they uh... track on the same idea that you know i might uh... get together later and do it do it on hatred uh... group
I will think about a periscope kind of idea that they've already seen out there, but instead with a laser pointer so that when you know where the bad guys are and you want to direct fire, you have a remote laser pointer to remotely tell everybody to look what the remote is pointed at to direct your fire at. And you can use the small cheap RVs or these little cheap pump pan and tilt X10 camera things with the remote so you can pan and tilt that way. You also will make it draw a fire so you can see where your fire to shoot.
to be shooting at. I was looking at the bullpup kind of idea as far as instead of carrying a pistol, it makes it a little 10-22, really small. You want to have a pistol license, then you can, your gun jams, it's like you were talking about before. Second, the shotgun, they used to mount the shotguns under the N16s and other things like that. So that might give you a second place to carry another gun, a little shotgun pump under there or a flare and smoke popper.
uh... the other thing is uh... uh... i think that's about it real quick when i get quite over the spec up for saying no number one with secondary weapons now a friend of mine for years still to this day uh... black powder double-barreled uh... uh... will be basically is a yard gun
uh... their black powder for planning on a not only go out my black powder pistols by missing that one of the things he did to side by side they were very cheap years ago walnut stock there a black powder side by side cap and ball pistol he uses that is all a desperation weapons of the speak but obviously you have to continue to reload you bring it when you bring into service there are some unique problems of black powder
Don't hack down or cut anything. That's basically cruel. We want to remind everybody of that. Just use what's off the shelf. That way they can't try and pester you. And there are a lot of decent... We'll go to break. This is the Intel report. We've got John from New York. We've got Tim Wighton and the Wings. We have James. We'll be back in three minutes here on wtprn.com.
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Guy is a coffee shop bookstore combination. The enemy hates those. And they probably got a copy of Patriots there, too. Go ahead. Go ahead, John. Yes. The other thing, the young man can maybe join some shooting clubs nearby and then maybe get friendly with some of the people around his age and his interests. The other thing is that there's a free service. I think it's pretty much free, as far as I understand. It's called Craigslist. And you can put an ad on there saying that you're looking for old satellite dishes, antennas, and things like that. And it might be a good place also for
or anything else you're looking for. Sometimes people do barter and trades on their Craigslist.com. And the last thing I was thinking about that gun, I was talking about cutting anything down. I was saying that in Vietnam war, a lot of times some of the guys would mount a second weapon system underneath their AR-15 and they would use either the pop smoke thing or the grenade launcher. But I was saying you could also mount maybe a Ruger 10-22 underneath the gun.
Yes, you're absolutely right. The Ruger 10-22 is lightweight. It's an option, gives you a second weapon, or like you said, now some people have done this and there are designs and mounts that are available for it to switch to like an 870, a Mosberg 500, or like an Ithaca 37. I would go with Mosberg 500 because they're not expensive. They're nice weapons. They're lighter weight, aluminum receiver.
and you can still use an 18 or 20 inch barrel on the tube and with an, and you'd be doing this with a standard A2 type, a regular AR-15 full length barrel, but a 20 inch barrel, or whatever configuration that's longer you come up with. But it is a, yes, it is a solution. It's one that's been used in the advantage of the shotgun. There are flares, there are smoke, there's different types of special weapon, you know, special munitions that are loaded for the 12 gauge that would be complimentary to the system.
and they're not that heavy when you're using an aluminum receiver and get a basically light shotgun attached to the air. Have you had any experience with a bullpup rifle kit stock kit? Actually, you mentioned bullpups, one of my favorite and it's harder than heck to find, but Bushmaster has already come out with certain arms, they might come out with this again. The Bushmaster pistol, if you can find it, now it is a handgun, it's rated as a handgun, but it used to be bragged that it was the most powerful handgun made.
There are two versions. One has a side ejection port and one has a top ejection port. It was based on what it was as the, they also made a Bushmaster rifle. Now this isn't an AR-15. This was a fully independent and freestanding receiver. It was a bullpup design, pistol grip, the magazine was to the rear of the pistol grip. The internals were all AR-15 slash M16 parts. It's semi-auto, not full.
The pistol grip itself pivots so it can be shot from left or right hand and it takes standard AR-15 magazines and standard AR-15 slash M16 flash fighters that can be changed. It is a beautiful system, light to carry. It was experimented with and used as a down pilot weapon for some crews during Vietnam.
Some airmen used it during Vietnam spooks and cooks did had it had access to it because Bush master had some contracts with the CIA and such But there are floating around now. They're not as cheap as they used to be. That's one option There are still although again I don't see many of these the Chinese brought in a quantity not very many but a reasonable quantity of bullpup all-steel 30 Russian rifles. They're decent last but not least an outrageously expensive Velma a Cadillac of a case
brought in a bullpup that was, if you want to see what it looks like, watch the first Terminator movie and in the future battle scenes where they come back to the bunker, if you take a look at the weapon that they're carrying, that is a Velma Bullpup AK.
It's a beautiful streamlined Star War-ish type weapon, very well engineered, very reliable, but not that many get into the country, but they are floating around too. Now the bullpup kits that are out there, my only problem with those, and everybody will acknowledge this, is that the triggers themselves are a little spongy.
The reason is by the very nature of the extended armatures that are the little fixtures that have to attach from the new forward position of the pistol grip back to where it is on the receiver of the weapon. That is the only thing that could, if you can, you need to tweak or tighten up when you put the weapon together. Do not fail to follow instructions, but you can tighten them a little bit too. And I would do that to strengthen, you know, to create
a little better feel with regard to the trigger pull itself. Otherwise they work. We've used them. I would be careful and make sure that again, one of the things about it, there's a lot of hollow spots in the stock system. Those are good places for you to carry the spare parts for the firearm itself. So you can put your spare parts inside the stock. I was mostly concerned about either mounting scopes on it and also the thick space on those things since I know it's kind of a plastic spot.
Yes, I know. I thought maybe they would actually really go down. I'm going after this last comment. I see that in 2014, the inside the front cover of the shotgun news, they're making a bullpup stock for that. I would not do that. I would not do that. I'm going to tell you right now, it's a nice idea. And some people, if they have the money, but my problem is this, M14 slash the M1A is not cheap.
And that rifle is the battlefield superiority weapon. You take the M14, keep it in its basic configuration, and I will dot targets at 650 yards all day. I've done it. That's the weapon I was trained on. It is a beautiful firearm, left in any configuration, as originally designed. That weapon will serve you flawlessly. So I would just stick with it the way it does. If you have an M1A, keep it an M1A.
Okay, just... Yeah, you can't. They've done some shortening of the barrel. I don't agree with that. I know people are saying, well, bring the barrel back. First of all, we don't want to do... I know the concept is per-close-in fighting.
but that weapon was an MBR, it's a main battle rifle. Keep it in its original configuration whenever possible. If you get it and it's got a shorter barrel, oh well, that's the way it comes. Leave it, just don't change anything. Close and fighting, you have to worry about getting stuck with something sharp, so I think you want to keep it long so you make a better club out of it. I'd rather be keeping them BS, keep them farther away. That's always a bit of an advantage when you got the sharp pointy thing fixed in the bayonet fixed, put in the bayonet fixture.
Thank you, good show. God bless, thank you John. We've got Tim from Nebraska, jump in there please. Yep, we got you Tim. Okay, the answer to this question of finding like-minded people, one of the best things to do, get on Ron Paul's website and start a Ron Paul meetup group. There we go, yes. That's another option, it serves two purposes because we need to continue to support Ron Paul.
That's right, and it's all done for you right there on the computer. All you have to do is punch a few buttons, and if an idiot like me can do it, it's, you know. Well, that's very good. Now, again, one of the things that I would recommend is patience. One of the things, I know we don't have much time. I know that's one of the biggest problems. I have been stressing many of the things that I have on the air for a reason. It is obvious that we are in what is considered to be a target window of opportunity for our enemy.
This happens cyclically. But we still have patience. I know what happens, and I will warn everybody of this, because I know all of you that are new, in fact, and this is not just for Joe, this is for many other people. You've got a wealth of knowledge and all kinds of good information. But remember that you started out at a particular level. Each person did. I did the same way. Now I was lucky, because I had the saturation from all directions. I had a lot of really cool people around me, and I will say I was blessed in that respect, even when I was very young.
But remember, a lot of people, they're at different tiers. They're walking up the steps just like you did, and they've got to pull themselves up from one step to the next, in most cases, because it's a long climb. It's more of a reach for them to pull themselves up and look around and realize that there's another world here, and then pull themselves up to the next step and understand the components of that new world that they've discovered. So give them the information. Let us help to teach. Again, there's so many things you can do. WTPRN, you got Liberty Tree Radio.
We've got videos, go to YouTube, let them watch stuff and be entertained and at the same time educated. There's lots of tools. Let those tools help to bring the person up to where they need to be. Tim, stay right where you are. We've got James in Pennsylvania, he's being so patient. We'll be back in three minutes here at wtprn.com. We're at the bottom of the hour of break. Back in a few.
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The Alex Jones broadcast live from 11 a.m. To 2 p.m. Central Monday through Friday right here on we the people radio When we are back, this is the Intel report past the bottom of the hour break. We've still got callers up Tim go ahead anymore No, that was about it. We speaking of the Ron Paul meetup group We got kind of a small one here, but everybody that showed up for it is pretty much been up to speed on everything
Well, you know, it's funny because I'm multitasking here. A good example is I have a bunch of little pieces of card stock. They're about three foot long and what they're for is while I'm here during the breaks, I catch up on different things. I've been writing up stencils that we're going to be cutting out tonight. And what we're doing is hundreds of Ron Paul for President wooden signs that are out in the backyard painted with throwaway paint, house paint that I got from another project. And tonight they shall be sprayed with the black paint.
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Make up the sign and take them tomorrow and put them everywhere where people can see them on the road We need to do this There are so many things that can be done and they're so inexpensive and resaturation with a man who has a perfect name Ron Paul Can you forget that name? That's that needs to be done and Ron Paul obviously is scaring the heck out of them The fact that they are trying desperately to block him tells me that he is the person for the job So we need to get that organized
Tim, are you broadcasting? Getting pretty close. Okay, I have... We'll talk later, but we have... It's interesting, because I've got other stuff that's already been piled up here, but I need to get back with you.
I got a letter from you last week and I'm not being very prompt but I plan on answering it. Okay, very good. Now, by the way, there's a video and I have a copy ready for you but there are other people listening right now who are going to get a copy of it too. This was, I have a movie. I got a collection of videos like, you know, that stacked up from here to creation. It's as bad as my library, okay? I've got a whole room that's, you know, full of VHS tapes. One of the movies I have is called Hail, H-A-I-L, and it was from 1970. Of course, three years before Watergate and all of that stuff.
But what's interesting is the subject matter and some of the little comments that are on this video, you're going to be hearing them up on the air, both with this program and our other program, because they're so appropriate for what we are seeing. And I'm going to have a copy for you too, Tim. So it's already made up, ready to go. Sounds good. Okie doke. Thanks a lot. Thank you for calling. God bless. And we have James from Pennsylvania coming up next. James, you've been so patient. Come on, please. Maybe James got tired and went home.
I'm still here. There we go. Okay James, run. Go ahead. How you doing? Very good. I had a few questions here, but I'll touch real quick on the getting together with like-minded people. I'm a young man myself and in my area we have tried to get in touch with like-minded people, but you're just so nervous because you were talking about people climbing that step. People around here are going down the step.
into the basement. Well, you know, part of that, you know, I'll say something about that too. This is something I am seeing is that there are a bunch of people who are becoming either dejected or because their world is collapsing, everything that they were told to buy into through the controlled media, through ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox News about bye-bye-bye, spend, spend, spend, more credit cards, look like a deck full of cards. You can have credit cards. You can have a wallet four inches thick.
Well, you know, the problem is that they're they bought into and I'm part of the pun there because of the credit cards But they bought into this whole thing about the you know, the things you're just gonna keep sailing the way they are and not only that but the same same is true with regard to the politics of this day in That they were all they realizing they've been lied to naphtha and gat is good for you Okay, that's like saying that a case of the bubonic plague is good for you Okay, but bottom line is a lot of people did the bobblehead
They all bought into it. Now they've lost their jobs. The next wave is coming across the border. And the sad part about it is this. A lot of the illegals that are doing what they're doing aren't thinking the process through because they're all ranting and raving about they want to destroy the country and they want to carve off this and they want to do that. Well beware, sometimes you get what you ask for. Right. And if they do that, the problem is this. Do they think that the high life is going to continue as it is? All you have to do is look south of the border where they came from. They want an extension of that.
Well if that happens and they get all this other stuff plugged in, guess what? It will be just like just moving the border that much farther north and everything being just like it is south of the border, all through the country. There won't be the high dollar signs. There won't be the money to send back anywhere because they will have killed the cash cow.
And that's why a lot of these people just don't seem to walk through. It's like, oh, I hate them. A lot of these people do that. I hate America. They're liberals or that are neocons or whatever. You know, beware. Sometimes you get what you ask for. You step through this. We had an excellent listener and several people have said this. I understand the past, but what I really want people to talk about or like us to talk about is what's it going to be like in America 10 years from now, 40 years from now, 50 years from now, 70 years from now?
Well, imagine, you know, well, let's put it this way. If we warn people because of what George Orwell said, and he knew the Ringknackers, remember he was involved with Oxford in England. Big brother is not communism. Big brother is not fascism. Big brother is socialism spreading on for as far as the mind can see. Imagine, if you will, a boot on the face of humanity. Well, let me touch on that. I was seeing a young lady.
her sister's husband was in Socialist Club in college. And I mean, when I would go over there, I mean, that was such a big barrier between us. They, and here's what I'm talking about, going down the steps, you know, they just said, oh well, we'll worry about that when it comes to our door steps.
and you know this and that and there is no such thing as getting yourself prepared now. It was, well we'll do it when we see it on the news and by then you know it's obviously too late but it's weapon Wednesday and what I wanted to talk to you about was I heard you mentioned earlier about the HK-91. Yes, yes actually. Actually had seen one with a 26 inch barrel installed in it.
And I thought, I think that might just serve a special purpose there. And what do you think, though, with the longer barrel? How do you feel about that? Well, again, the whole thing about the shorter barrel idea was to try and bring it down, bring a weapon that wasn't in that niche down to the AR-15 or the light rifle category.
It is true that you basically get the same muzzle velocity, but I guess I'd ask the basic question. The FNFL, the M14, and the HK91 were built for the NATO standard cartridge, the 762x51mm NATO. They understood the variances in the ammunition loads that existed and still exist to this day.
because you got to remember you got everybody from Greece to you got Thailand you got Malaysia you've got Germany you got England you got Belgium you got the US all producing this cartridge but they all use different processes because of this they also use different types of cellulose use different types of powder or propellant of course let's use the term their propellant to get that little lead bullet to go downrange copper jacket of course
Because of this, there is a need to have that specific barrel length in place, in my opinion, because of the issue of unburned powder and then the variance in the loads. I don't want a muzzle flash that can be used as a flamethrower. I mean, that's cool, but the problem is, a muzzle flash on the battlefield is not a friend. So much so that you might recall, if you look at the original CAR 15s, the AR 15s,
because of the powder that was being used. Remember, they didn't use the right powder in the AR, which is why it had real fouling problems. But in the Kar-15, they came up with a psionics suppression system. Actually, it wasn't a silencer. It was just a sound reducer combined with a much larger flash hider to direct the blast to a degree forward and still start crimp it as it left the end of that very long flash hider.
part of that issue was unburned powder because the very nature of the type of powder used. You're going to see this with other ammunition that's out there. The Gun Parts Guy, he's mentioned here many times, GunPartsGuy.com. As he brought up, and it's very interesting, and this man is very competent, you need to talk to him if you have any questions about arms. Go to GunPartsGuy.com or give him a call. But he's brought up this whole thing about the Indian .308 ammunition that's out there, that it's really oily, tarry.
It's got some problems because of the nature of how it was engineered for the environment that it's used in. So these are things that people not always take into consideration, but armorers, armorers and engineers do. They were given specifications based upon the best and probable but still possible scenario for ammunition that would be consumed in those arms.
And that's why I prefer the longer barrel lengths in all three of those firearms. I mean whatever it is, the standard would be best. But there even people are putting little, touch longer barrels on each of those weapons to get a little more performance on them. Plus they're making them a little heavier, bold barrels. Right. That is an option. And we'll touch on that in a second because now you open a can of worms. This is the intel report. We got James. We'll be back in about three minutes. Wtprn.com.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back. I just want to hit that. Donal, that particular piece too for the same reason. We hit that note. We're back on the air. This is the Intel report live. We're in the last segment here. We got James from Pennsylvania. James, go ahead. Any more, anything else? I guess another question I had real quick was 45 ACC for an offensive weapon, something like Thompson. Oh, absolutely. Actually, you know what? Good point there. We tried to overlook it. I've tried to get.
High point carbine, the people who make the 9mm and 40 cal... In fact, they make the 40 caliber high point now. I tried to get them to make a 45 ACP high point carbine. The reason is obvious, I mean, or better still, of course, now there's other arms out there. There's the Marlin Camp carbine and 45 ACP.
There's also, I think Ruger has their variation on the theme and I believe, I can't be, I may be wrong on this one, I know they made it in nine, I know they've made a 40, I'm pretty sure they have because they make whatever they're making the P85 out of or whatever they made when they made the P85 and whatever chambering, they made the camp caribbean that they produce to mate with it, magazine wise.
Now, in 45 ACP, remember, you're going to get a little more muscle blast out of it with these light carvings. It doesn't even have to be the Thompson. But the Thompson, at least 27A, whatever, knockoffs, because there's many variations that were done by auto-organts, they're all beautiful firearms. One weapon that was available up and through the 80s and still was out there hanging around. You see it once in a while with the commando carvings, commando 45s. Now, those require maintenance. That's the only thing I'll say with those. They're not like the Thompson.
they have to keep them clean because carbon is not a friend to 22s or to any rifle or firearm that uses a pistol cartridge. You got to make sure you keep the chamber clean, keep the tracks and keep the rails clean, make sure you don't let carbon buildup take place around the chambering itself. The chamber. Anyway, a high point. If I could get high point to do that, because they make a 40, every rifle that they make, every carving they make, they have a pistol counterpart because the rifle is based on the pistol action.
I do not know why they have not made a 45 ACP high point carbine. If they did, and if they do, I would recommend it to everybody out there listening. And the reason is because the 45 offers excellent knockdown power. Remember, it was built for a reason because if you're going to use ball ammunition, it might as well be something that's got a big, big, buffy bore to it so that it delivers the energy against the target. And you can still use, you know, jacketed hollow points, jacketed soft point.
and there are a number of other loads that are available. Korabon makes all kinds of dynamic loads for the .45. It is not a bad arm at all. Ideally, what I would prefer, to be quite honest, is the 1911 and something that takes the 1911 magazine in a light rifle combination. I sort of was thinking more along the lines of the HKUSP. Well, then you're getting a different price. Now, I agree if you can afford those.
But yes, none of those weapons, first of all, the bugs have all been worked out because they're being used by a regular military force. The biggest problem is not the razor, it's the blades. Spare magazines are basically where they've always been with specialized weapons like that as far as cost. So again, the weapons available in a civilianized form, there's like a gray, as I recall, there was a gray map model that was done.
You don't see many of those and now you see of course the black bodies that are being brought into the country since they've lifted all of the restrictions, not all but most of the restrictions. If you do that though, you're better off doing all your mags at once and getting a quantity price on them. Even HK9093s, you have that problem right now, there's, okay, 91s, I can get mags for a dollar a piece right now. For HK91s.
For 94s, there's all kinds of them way around. But HK93 mags, oh, chicken's teeth. You're talking $60, $70 a piece for the mags. That's also true of the more exotic arms like that. So you have to make that part of your math formula when you pick the weapon up. Something I'm curious about is how far will the 45 ACP carbine be affected to? Well, actually, it was used out to 200 yards, just like any other Porsche Gulf balling it by then anyway. And most men who were using the submachine gun,
We're keeping it within a hundred yard range effective. Now that sounds, well that's a long ways when you look at a pistol cartridge, but you got to remember that again, you're dealing with a light rifle slash a submachine gun barrel. You're spraying and praying to a certain degree whenever using full auto with a weapon like that if you were using the military version. In the civilian area, it's purely a matter of you becoming familiar with your arm and then placing the rounds accordingly, being able to know how your weapon functions.
uh... i've used and i and i know cuz i hear right and before you go on his friend in the chat room ago we all you know there's no energy when it gets out there for but i've been able to place and i've had lots of time to play with these weapons are using any of the forty five caliber car being not type arms that have been produced including the knockoffs of the tops and i've used the thompson and i've used a grease gun in its real form
And you can keep, once you understand where the weapon will hit, you can take it out to 250 yards and keep it inside a people-sized target. I have done that. Now under panic fire conditions, remember, the other guy on the other side is not trying to get hit. Well, then you got to remember, he's trying to move out of the way. So there are issues there, and there are weapons that fit that niche better, you know, and they can reach just as far for less money. Right. Well, outside of that, I really didn't have
much more I wanted to say, I'm glad you guys are doing what you're doing and I wish I had someone like you down here because I'd love to learn that stuff but like I said, everyone around me is going down the steps and I'm going up. Rick, I can recommend some reading for you. I'll tell you what, in your local areas you guys have some really good used bookstores in Pennsylvania, really nice ones because you got a lot of people who were in engineering back through the 70s and 80s before they killed the steel industry, okay?
Watch for any older Smith's Small Arms of the World books. Smith's Small Arms of the World. It's not as popular as Jane's, but Smith's does a better job as far as I'm concerned with regard to detail on any weapon system that you can think of. And they did a yearly publication in book form, 9x11 format, that covers every arm, lists and inventories, every firearm used by every country on the planet.
No matter if it's a K98 Mauser, an old JAB bolt action, or if it's the most modern blast rifle you can think of. And they are excellent individual black and white plates showing you detail. And they always pick a certain number of weapons every year, or they used to, and what they would do is they would go into exceptional detail showing the factory production, showing the step-by-step manufacturing, demonstrating and detailing the weapon itself,
So if you're going to use something for referencing, these are books you want to put on the shelf because they will teach you a great deal and they demonstrate with both illustration and explanation. All right. Polka-doke? All right. Thanks a lot. You guys have a good day. Thank you, James. We're almost to the top of the hour, ladies and gentlemen. And this is the Intel Report Live. Real quick, it's Weapons Wednesday again. Now here's the thing. And James just brought up a subject, heavy barrels, on some of the bigger weapons. This is something that's happened.
When the M14 came into service, the next rifle that was designated with it was the M15. Now this is not the AR15. What happened is this. The M14 was hoped to be the do-all weapon in the inventory. So what happened is they wanted to replace the BAR, remember, which was the Squad Automatic Rifle in the fire team and the squad. What they did is they took the standard M14, put a bull barrel on it, put a bipod on it, beefed up the stock,
There were other supplemental parts and changes that were made on the basic system to include a number of different stocks. Some of them you remember back in the 80s if you were collecting firearms. The M14A1E2 or the A2E2 stocks, they were with a pistol grip. They were designed to go on the M15, which was the full-auto always version of the M14 rifle. And it was supposed to go to the squad automatic rifleman to replace the BAR.
Well, it was a nice idea and the actually it's kind of nice if you ever run into these as kits because they really wasn't any way tell the difference with them unless you took the rifle out of its stock or you paid attention to the girth of the stock itself, but it was not successful or as successful as the BAR by any stretch of the imagination. In full auto, the M14 had a tendency to walk. Now it can be controlled and even on the M14A1A2E2 style, the A1E2 or the A2E2 stocks.
They put a vertical fold down foregrip on the weapon so you could try to control muzzle climb. Much like you're seeing on all these AR-15s right now. On the M16s in the field over in Iraq. The cool thing is that without spending any extra money, a lot of these, what they did is they decided not to use the M14 in that mode for the most part. The weapons ended up just generally in the inventory so you ended up with a rifle that might be a quarter or half pound heavier.
It had a heavier barrel, was more stable, very accurate. And when all of these M14 kits came out, they showed up, they were TRW manufactured, beautiful quality steel, and we got a hold of them for about $125 a kit.
Well anyway, they're out there, we got them now, and we're making them work and sing for us. Real quick, this next, in 8 o'clock, we're going to have Larry Pratt up live on our 8 o'clock intelligence report on libritreradio.4mg.com, so if you want to tune in, it's Larry Pratt.
He'll be giving us a report on what's happening in Washington and what's happening with GOA and also other organizations. So that's at 8 o'clock. And of course, Don will be with us too. I want to thank everybody for being so patient and all the guys for calling in. Ladies and gentlemen, remember if you've got a call, if you've got a question, give us a call and do not be embarrassed. There is no such thing as a bad question.
If we can't answer it, go to thegunpartsguy.com. He'll help you. As always, God bless the Republic, death of the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We are on the march. God bless and good evening.
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