Mark Koernke and Donald Betcher discussed firearms proficiency, weapon selection, and ammunition availability on an afternoon broadcast. They emphasized the importance of gun owners understanding their weapons and maintaining preparedness, citing examples from Hurricane Katrina and discussing various rifle and shotgun platforms. The hosts covered tactical considerations for different calibers (.22, .223, .308, shotguns), magazine costs, and ammunition scarcity. They also addressed anti-gun sentiment in schools, the philosophy of gradual government control, and the need for unified support among gun owners regardless of weapon choice. The show included detailed technical discussions on shotgun models (Ithaca 37, Remington 870) and emphasized training children responsibly with firearms.
I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat. And speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free.
and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay attacks you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn.
and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?
O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame.
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Watch the Watchers, as they say. The most important thing here is we're getting IDs. We're ignoring who the people are. We're seeing who people meet with, especially because, remember, the police chief goes down the road and he's going to suck up to the whatever alphabet soup agencies are down there. Well, at some point, they're all going to connect. They're linked together. And then you watch where those cockroaches go and they take you to the next pack of cockroaches, et cetera, et cetera. So again, public place, eyes and ears, everybody paying attention.
And that's where all the guys and the girls come in because everybody can be eyes and ears watching. You bring the kids along, they're on bicycles, they're watching the bad guys. You can have people in the party store or people in the restaurant. They can be anywhere and that way they can constantly be monitoring as they move. Also, it's that much hard to see who's who in the zoo. So we've got many eyes and ears out there, a lot of people, a lot of families who have been helping a great deal and want to say thank you to them because they've come from Pennsylvania, West Virginia,
West New York, upstate New York, Maine, Vermont, the Carolinas, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio, some from Indiana, from Illinois, and even places west of the Mississippi that have gone in, done their job, coordinated with the ground units there. And specific militia units have been doing that much more locally, of course.
and we're able to get a better overview of how the cockroaches move and that's really important. Let them do what they're doing. I will say something and Don, this is something that happened where we had people calling in and remember about what had transpired up there. And I talked yesterday about the gray siege. The grays needed everything as far as resupply because we were assuming that the siege would be very long. Well, it was.
And so we provided them with fuel oil, we provided them with lamp oil, we provided them with lamps, lamp wicks, replacement globes, toothpaste, toilet paper, toothbrushes, so that when one wore out they wouldn't have to improvise. There were cases of things. Everything that was needed to keep about 50 to 60 people on the ground there with the families that had come in, all of the sons and daughters had come to be with their parents.
And they had children too, of course, and we had other friends and allies from around the country who came in to help garrison the site. Well guys, every time they went in, something went in with them and it didn't leave, it stayed there. Ammunition, magazines, other equipment, spare parts, cleaning kits, everything you can think of in that category to make sure that everything continued to click when the time came.
In addition to that, chemical protection equipment, part of your defense battery, gas masks, spare filters, decontamination kits, chem suits, everything you can think of top to bottom. And I made sure that it was there in quantity. The stuff in that category I took care of, because I have a few connections still, or I did at the time especially, and still do today, whereby I could have dropshipped dozens or hundreds of the item.
And we did just exactly that. But the important thing is the people who are willing to stand and protect their property with their arms. Now, that's the spear point. That's the person out front. And the weapons that you have now are basically what you're going to have to look to fight with when the time comes. Are you confident with your weapon? Do you have good confidence in your proficiency with your weapon? The other side does this ridicule thing constantly. Don't be down to try and prevent people from touching their arms. Yeah, you got to keep them under lock and key or in a safe. Have to keep it at the...
of course, the comrade worker, you're the property of the state, what do you think you need a weapon for anyway? You see, that is the mindset of the characters who would like to lord over us, that after progressively, if they keep twisting the screws in the public fool system, I was just reading a story here about California, where they just had the kids clip off, there was graduation ceremonies, and they, this one twit in
One of the principals had the kids clip off all of their toy soldiers' guns. They had little things that they'd normally put on their little graduation caps. And it's all kinds of things. Well, they put little toy soldiers on because they're for all things military, yada, yada, yada. And, well, of course, the teacher saw those. And so they had to take and cut them off. And they had to do it themselves, of course. So there's the symbolism of disarming the little toy soldiers here, but having the kids force the kids to do it themselves.
And so one of the kids put a little piece of tape on there like it was like the little toy soldier had his arm amputated, which it was, and had a little piece of blood on there. It took protest. Well, protest didn't do squat. And the parents should have gone in there and slapped the, you know what, out of that idiot principle, and then put a lawsuit on him right away, too, on top of everything else. Because this kind of BS has gone on long enough, and it's to the point where it's stupid. Just flat out stupid.
You know Mark, it makes me wonder what would they do if they found one of the militia quarters. Oh my god, get that file out. That coin has a gun on it. The green weenie nonsense with these anti firearms people is to the point where you know what, they want to have it castrated lobotomized. They'd like to do that. In fact they hate, most of the female but that are in that clique hate all males anyway. That's typically the case. Well, this bunch, this particular clique are these little rantant rabid dogs.
are basically trying to think that they've got a ring and a chain through the nose of the population. You know what? It's time to show them that that's all done. Because they feel that we're their dogs. And I don't mean that in the positive sense, but you usually hear like homies say, well you're my dog, which means you're going to fight no matter what. Instead, it's, no, they figure you're their dogs and you should be licking their boots. That's what they want. They want to be little godlings, little lordlings over all of us.
And that's where the agenda's going, so that we'll be, of course, subservient, thrall, slaves, doing the old X hand over your head the whole nine yards. You're like, you're filling the blank.
in my mouth.
There's the problem I have with this. That's the attitude you have to have. You're dealing with an enemy who would like to, like I said, castrate lobotomize the whole of the population if they could. So unless you wake up and realize the threat, I'm abbreviating what is all the nonsense in between. Because everybody goes, well, what compromise? Or would it, you know what, compromise is that whole?
the Chinese communists call it their Bible. But in that book he talks to his, back in the 20s and 30s he was telling them everything away but what... To the core of the Fabian socialist philosophy about how they will screw this country because the basic model may case slowly and strike with extreme terror is the core. Again, you can pick a little bit here, steal a little bit there, steal that much more. If they can steal, steal, steal at a certain point till they get to the, what is the limit?
will stop and like an amoeba then they will hesitate, identify the next path of least resistance through the next stupid incompetent who wants to compromise, the idiot who wants to give something you have away and they'll of course move through that probe, you know, move the probing blob in that direction and then proceed as far as they can until they've consumed that idiot and used that useful idiot to his extreme or her extreme and then go on to the next step.
it comes down to that they just simply want slaves. Well, that's why we were supposed to be maintaining our arms and we're going to have to do so. The whole thing about this, the reason I brought this thing up is full circle is proficiency. Why do they want, don't want them to even have a knowledge of arms or be able to see them? Well, it's so that they'll be the us and them literally and that they'll be the armed, they'll be the armed enforcers of the socialist.
and their job is of course to put a gun to everybody's head whenever they want something. And for you not to even have a working clue about how to deal with that scavenger when he comes out to steal. Contrary to that mind, what do we tell you? If you get a chance to fire a gun you've never fired before, make haste. Attend that situation. Just do it. I love the Nike, but with a firearm. I don't trap shoot. We gotta bring this up about firearms too. I don't trap shoot. I think it's cool.
uh... it's just a little pricey but that's also why it's part of the brag issue is like a live fire trap and i use a twenty eight or use a fill in the blank with the name you know about competition grade no you know gauges which is fine that's that's cool but i don't want to do it but if somebody said tomorrow you know what i think we can that the idiots are so paired off in the so few of them i think we ought to try banning uh... trap and skeet shooting because after all they're only a little click
And what do you think how do you think they squeal then what do you think they'd say you gotta help us? Oh my goodness. We want our trappings heat guns. You're right Well, they do anyway, but you see their logic is to go the reverse Well, you don't trap and ski and since we've got you isolated your little pee, you know, you know little narrow channel will to barrel miss
shotgun that you paid $4,800 for anyway.
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They'll pay $32,000, sometimes $5800 for a... maybe it'll be a two-shot, you know, over and under, or side by side or whatnot. Gun though, 15 years ago, even as long as 12 years ago. Now which do you think would be more valuable to the country? 100 SKS's in the hands of a patriot or a $5800 shotgun?
Oh, I don't need anything to do with those SKS's. Those are for the common. They only cost $37 each. Let the common folks have those. And when they take them away, they'll just disarm the common folks, don't you know? Wait a minute, Don. What happened to Katrina again?
They did not want everybody they could. Did you see the houses whose doors they went to? Those people weren't robbers or rapists or murderers. They weren't going down the street to pillage from anybody. No, no, no. They went to the nicest sections of the city where everybody was secure, everybody was in their homes, and they went door to door to steal from them. What did they want to take down? Now, how many people have gotten their weapons back? Oh, I didn't amount to, you know, one of those credible new men that are
Yeah, absolutely smart. The least number, only a few people have gotten their weapons back, if at all. And the thing about it is, people, that they did it to everyone. So this is why we pointed out, again, my mindset here, we're in this together. You can have your trapping skeet guns, help this other person to have his .50 caliber, his long-range competition slash, you know, in a defense rifle.
Make sure that these people who enjoy plinking at the end of the week on a Friday or a Saturday night when they all or a Saturday during the day when they all get together can still go out to the range and do that. And everybody in between, personal defense, those people who feel that perhaps they just want to have a weapon around to make them feel better, you know, because it is an insurance policy and it's one of those things that you possess, that you don't put the money down and it's in somebody else's hands.
It's part of that personal defense issue that makes you feel good. You've got a little something there just in case. Good idea. Whoever it is, we're supposed to be supporting each other.
That person will then be able to go out and enjoy his trap and skeet shooting. The .50 caliber goes out when he feels like it. Guys on the Plinkin range, they do okay too. And for those competition pistol shooters, just because your gun costs $5,000 doesn't mean they won't take it tomorrow if they're given the chance. That's right. That's the one they'll keep. They won't throw that one in the pocket. Yeah, they'll put that on the wall and brag and laugh in the locker about how they stole it from you. Yup. And in fact, that's the problem I have, is people put the rest of this formula together.
They steal the property, they divvy up the booty because they've become professional thieves. They are nothing but professional criminals in uniform. And what they will do then is go back and yuck, yuck and brag up, do little binders. By the way, like one right here in Ipsy had one of the bumper stickers that was done by the Patriots in his living room, right on his coffee table, so he could show his little buddies when they come over and says, is your church B-A-T-F approved?
And this bat faggot, his safe is in the basement. You go down the stairs, you turn to the left, how do we know this? Hey, we got maintenance and repair people that go all over the country. We know where all the ATF agents are, where their safes are, where their little safe hidey holes are, because everybody else got to come in and do their work half the time for them. Don't you think that people talk? And when they see this binder sitting on the coffee table next to the couch that says, is your church BHDF approved? Ha, ha, ha.
What do you think is the mindset of that slob that animal that creature who helped to murder those women and kids at Waco? Right. He thinks it's funny ha ha ha when he goes back to the locker room. That's the kind of swine you're dealing with here. No. That's the kind of low lives that you're dealing with here. Mark, I... They have a... they hate the American people and they hate them, especially with their arms. I'm sorry, go ahead. Oh, I wanted... because we started talking about scripture there and it jumps in me. I gotta get this one out you guys. There's a line in scripture that says
be unequally yoked. And that's talking about unequally yoked. And there are a lot of different ways to interpret that. There are those that would say race. Well, it's, well, unequally yoked. Here's an example of it. There's probably a man out there listening right now who was raised in the gun call. And when he got married, the wife says, oh, well, I know you like guns, honey, but you know, well,
I never even looked at one except in the movies before and he surrenders his gun and they get married. Now, listen here. Here's the only example I can offer up onto this unequally yoked. By the time, you know, she says, well, the family's getting bigger. You better buy a gun.
Because, you know, that's your responsibility to protect your family. She might say, well, darling, we're going to have children in the house and we should. Well, before you can even let her say, that's why we shouldn't have a gun, you should say, that's why we should continue at this. And I know, you know, I, because I see this. There are people, and I've seen this many tough examples over the years, Mark, of, well, I've had this Congress equally yoked. That being in, that is another reason why
They know the most important element of that, Don, I have four children. They're all grown, they're all in their teens through their 20s now. They grew up with firearms people. How many weapons do you think Mark has had around? In fact, I worked in the military. This is not an exaggeration. I expended anywhere, Don.
from 500 to 1,500 rounds of pistol ammunition a day during competition shooting, you know, peaks, that's the peak. The average per day was anywhere from 300 to 500 rounds. But it was all government provided ammo because I was a competition shooter. So they were desperately trying to give the ammunition out as much as they could, to be quite honest. When they went to matches, they'd try to hand wet ammo out. Cases by the truckload, okay? And I'm not exaggerating about that either. Now here's the thing.
is they've been around weapons discharging constantly. I mean, for because the range is right here, they've taken the range, but they grew up with weapons and for them it's not, oh, go sneak into dad's closet and take the weapons, because there was no need to. They knew, first of all, they knew what they were, so it wasn't a big mystery or secret. Number two is it's not a big deal because every firearm that I had, they had a chance to handle, disassemble, look at,
And I made a point, let me give you a class, we're gonna get cut out by the bottom of the hour here, but I'll give you an example of a class I've done with a lot of children over the years. Take a pumpkin, I said, we're all gonna teach you how to use a firearm. And I treat them just like you would any other student. And I put a pumpkin on a post right there, I said, now here is a firearm, it's called a shotgun, most of you have seen it, you've all seen it, movies and pictures, an old farmer, Fred with a double barrel, it's not a funny toy.
Now you take the shotgun rank from them, stick it to the side of the pumpkin and pull the trigger. See that? That could be anybody that you put this weapon against or that you point this weapon at. We don't consider them toys. We consider them tools. And then I would reach over and I'd pull up my second favorite weapon, Mr. Skill Saw. I'd say, you see this? Responsible for more amputations and traumatic injuries by fingers, hands, and arms, and the deaths of many, than any firearm in the country.
And that's a hundred to fold people because it's true. I've seen all the research that was done just on amputations and saws, not by intent, but they started doing something else and got into medical support.
The point is, the kids all grew up with the arms. It was not an exception for them to go, ooh, ah. Instead, it was like, ooh, that's cool, dad, a new one, or something like that. And they were very calm, and they're all, they've all grown up. They're all adults, and they're all good young people, I think. Anyway, I'll tell you what, we're gonna be right back in a few minutes here. This is the Intel Report with Don and Mark. We're at the bottom of the hour. We'll be back shortly.
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Every Saturday night catch the wordly show from 10 p.m. to 12 central right here on we the people radio network place right in here Yeah, it's that one. All right, you guys the intelligence report. We're back sets poker face I'm doing the best I can to give you my Paul impression Oh poker face or rather bump in poke calm and get some of their music I want to bring up an example mark had this one with skip on the air years ago expression one of the gun magazines and I off way in you know
way into getting a ride. They were kind of, so they, yeah, we'll give you a ride into town. And he got in the back seat and everybody nervous, you know, because now he wanted everybody under his control. Well, a few minutes, she's insisting she's got to stop and go to the bathroom and she's got, she's got to pay attention to two different places. The old timer and the old timer shot him dead. Now they were exonerated of arc. How did that work? Had a gun on demand. They had a gun and they had a plan. It's got to be you guys in order, if you want to maintain your freedom, be it from an
phone number here you guys it's 8 I was gonna say 30 caliber they are in a 30 caliber also recognized you know hard hitting round 14 1600 yards of range on magazine you magazine I think it's 550 as far as the way the gun is bedded into the mark you can add if you want to look off for the 50 one more time for their phone number you guys you heard it on the intelligence report and you know toss me another magazine you know what I'm trying to say mark because this side world in order on the gun world
Yeah, there's many different tools. I'm not going to talk yet. I'm trying to explain the situation. By the way, thank you to AO for sending information. We've been working on the system during the day here, so I'll be into all of the other mail and such tonight just after the program. But also I'll say hi and thank you. We've got our friends down on the border doing their part in preparation for this mobilization, which is why we're bringing up Are You Familiar With Your Weapons on Weapons Wednesday.
Okay, well down on the border the guys are getting everything together. They're going to have all the rest of the data that's going to be needed to properly affiliate deployment. And in formulating deployment I mean that we have waves of people that we'd be going down and we don't want to lose anybody in the cracks. In other words, we're going to be prepared to expand as needed and to develop our force strength on the ground and expand operations as resources are available.
So that is a priority issue with regard to the overview as far as deployment. We're going to make sure there's proper management down there. These guys are good. They've been doing this for a long time on the border, and they've been doing what's called, or what I call, aggressive patrolling, in that they're actually mobile elements that work with very rigid standard operating procedure with practices that have been successful. These are the people who have gotten the job done. So again, there's a basic rule about survival, escape, and evasion.
Survival has to do with also paying attention in all cases to what the natives are doing. The basic rule, do as the natives do. Somebody's got a system worked out, chances are if they live there, it's for a reason. Pay attention. Okay? Also, with familiarity of arms on how we use our weapons.
you have a rifle, you have a standard shotgun and you typically have a pistol that are your personal first-line choice. Now, you went to the gun show, you found another couple, oh I like that, that's a, it's a Kamado 37, oh wow, it's got a 20 inch barrel. Hey, it's an old police department gun, hardly ever used. Oh yeah, well cool, why don't we put that on the shelf? Well, you're using an 870.
But you've got an Ithaca Model 37 laying around, which is a beautiful, it'd be a toss-up. Do you cut on us guys? You threw a 37 in a Model 870 in front of me, I'd have to, that's one of the few times where I'd be torn about which way to go. Because the Ithaca Model 37 is the poor man's submachine gun, as everybody knows, it's why for, I would never chop the gun, never, never, never.
But in Hollywood, all these chopped Ithaca's that you see, all these shotguns you see that are chopped are Ithaca's because the Ithaca, you pull back the trigger and you can slam fire the weapon five rounds as quick as you can move the action. That's terror in a hallway. Buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh. Clank, need another one. Hand me the next one. Buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh. Clank, give me another one. So you just keep a bunch of them loaded and you don't have to worry as quick as you can fan that weapon. You can put rounds into that hallway or into that doorway or into that stairwell. And you can, your rear guard troops can do a phenomenal job of protecting you.
if you're falling back for instance, it's an excellent fallback weapon. Well the 870 is the most reliable 12 gauge shotgun on the planet, period. I don't care what anybody says, I've seen too much in the last, what, 25, 30 years? Well 30 years plus that I've been shooting, but the 870 has been around, it works, there are no malfunctions, there's only one possible problem, it's so insignificant that with one little modification it would even be, it would be accessible as an issue if it ever possibly became an issue, and it's almost impossible that it could happen.
So, I covered that point. Yes, there's, it's not a significant issue even, wouldn't normally bring it up, but we're talking to people who fire weapons. So yes, if they're knowledgeable, they know that there's one little thing and it's not significant to the regular shooter. However, the, you have that Model 37 sitting on the shelf. How many times have you taken it out and used it? Have you taken the time to get the manuals for it so you know how to break it down to do maintenance?
Do you understand, and of course you do if you bought it, that the 870 is a right-hand side eject or a lefty if it's a left-hand gun?
Whereas the Ithaca is a load and drop from the same hole, from the same tube, so it's a perfect weapon to hand out to a lefty. If you've got somebody who is, you know, like it's an ambidector's gun. If I have all righty weapons because I'm a righty, you know, shooter, and somebody shows up, man, I'm a lefty, and he doesn't want that 12 gauge round slapping in his face every time he ejects, in some cases. Well, the 37 is a perfect solution for this because it feeds and it drops from the same port.
Now that's also kind of nice if you have to switch over from right hand to left hand shooting around a corner. You don't expose yourself. Throw out the Hollywood BS. Use cover to your advantage. That also helps with concealment. What the eyes cannot see the heart does not long for. What the eyes cannot see the heart can I know the while though they may want to and they can still fire through walls. So listen just remember the material we're hiding behind too. Drywall, bamboo huts and grass huts do not offer any bullet deflection.
That's not how it's right. That's just being concealed and out of sight So there's Hollywood movies. It's like now I think this game would be over with me a lot faster It'd be like yeah, why wait for me to come around the corner isn't that a drywall? There you go There now you always see the flop the hand and hey look I get a shotgun too But anyway point is that the 37 you'd have to learn more about it if it's a Mossberg 500 Let's say it's a savage. There's all kinds of savage guns laying out there and they're fine shotguns or steel frame
They're going to be around for another hundred years. If you can pick them up for $70, grab that shotgun, put it on the shelf. But take the time to know how it works. Make sure that your other people who may have an opportunity to use it know how it works. Set that in the classroom. Put it into a little class. Actually take it out to the range. Hey, try this out.
Oh yeah, I've had this for a while. You want to try this one too? Try this too. There you go. That's where I wanted to go with that, Mark. Because, you know, if you talk about the shotgun in the hallway, it's pretty hard to miss. But you should know your shotgun's point of aim at like 50 and 100 yards. Good. 100 yards might not seem like, well, I'm not going to deploy a with double-bought in it. Or just starting stable if you have IC, improved cylinder for the tube. Oh, now we're talking maybe 200 yards. That's right.
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back ladies and gentlemen we got Don and Mark. Don we have callers. We have Craig from Texas and Spike from Indiana. I do believe Craig was first in line. Let's bring our, give that guy a pass. Oh doing great. Actually that's now that's a good point. No first of all the biggest problem in the large calibers and everybody in the chat room knows this too and we've been talking about this on the air is availability of ammunition. I have said this even though and again like you said you may only be able to afford one firearm.
I would look more at what is most commonly available in the way of ammunition right now either from the commercial sphere, in other words, regular 20 round boxes off the shelf, or what may be available in bulk out there, which I've been scanning. Two, two, three... What's available in a common caliber in bulk in large quantity. In other words, if I want to go out and buy a case of ammunition, what can I get a case of?
Ten years ago, when stuff was chicken feed by comparison cost now is because there's a mass consumption and there's also a deflection of ammunition to all these other activities including the possible war battlefield situation where they ran. And they're just not releasing as much. I've talked to the distributors and we've had this even from the manufacturers that just there isn't anything coming in.
So you have to look at .223, everybody's fighting over right now. If you've got a .223 weapon, I'd stay with it. That would be fine, but you're going to have to keep focusing on more ammo because there will never be enough until the shooting starts. Then they use supply off your enemy. The .308, same thing. It's a beautiful firearm. And the M1A, I was trained with the M14 and I have no problem with it. I'm very proficient with it. I could disassemble and assemble the weapon with my eyes closed, blindfolded, or literally blind. I don't think I have a problem with that.
It's one of the few weapons that again It is a superiority weapon on the battlefield as far as I'm concerned because it can perform in ways that other firearms will not It is not sensitive to water in the same way that other weapons are and that it can actually function underwater That's not recommended then you shouldn't be doing it every day as they say but under certain conditions You might have a problem where with some firearms that would be a you know would be an issue We're in a water state, so I have to look at that, but right now
The AK family of weapons are still the most reasonable. There are some very nice Romanian out there that are reasonably priced. There are a bunch of American-made arms in the AKs, but also in other calibers that are available. Ideally, what I'd like to find, I'd recommend to you, is something where you can change calibers. And the only real thing right now that you can do that with
quickly is the AR-15. You can take the upper receiver, drop it, put a 30 Russian receiver on the roof real quick, and you won't be loading as many rounds into the magazine, but you could even use standard AR-15 mags to get the job done. You wouldn't be carrying as many rounds per, but you can make it work. It's purely a catch-as-catch can thing, and I think I'm going to try and answer this question over the next few days looking at what it is that's out there. Another part of the formula, there's three points to this formula, cost of the weapon.
Cost of the magazines, you know, it's not the razor It's the blades that kill you and then the cost of the ammunition another element of the razor blade issue Right now you have to balance it out between the three magazines are not a problem because magazines are all over the place right now because they opened up the Magazine banned for the government purposes because they couldn't produce enough mags for themselves. Otherwise the weapons
I'd love a 308. In fact, the M14 I would put on the high list. If you can actually afford a field grade M1A, I would say go with it. If you do though, look at the cost of the magazines. The cost of magazines used to be $5 to $10 a piece. Now they're up around $40 to $50. You can find some that are used for less, but you're going to have to shop around.
AR-10 and 308 would be a good option. And again, I don't normally go with the odd end weapons, not all the time, but the AR-10 is now readily available out there, a lot very popular with people. It's in a 308 caliber. If you're going to spend $50 or $40 in a mag, you can get brand new AR-10 mags from Armaliter from other companies like that, and they're flawless. So that is another option. In shotguns...
In the 22, I would, you should have a 22 anyway. That's one of those side weapons that's just mandatory. The Ruger 10-22 is the most common firearm of the maybe a Glenfield that's out there in a semi-auto firearm where magazines are out there by the barrel full. You can buy, you can go to Knob Creek and every once in a while there's a guy that comes in with cases of 10 round mags for the 10-22 for about one or two dollars apiece. I don't think he's been there recently but he's got a deal.
but it's a very credible weapon because again you gotta remember we're looking at a very different battlefield situation here somebody wounded in this war is going to wish they weren't and so again the twenty two it has a tendency to follow the path of least resistance which most bullets do if it hits a bone it follows and goes up or down the channel along the wound along with the bone itself and creates a terrific wound cavity
Uh, wound channel, plus of course, fragments, depending on the round. You can carry a lot of rounds for very little money. Uh, it should be noted, though it's not covered heavily, but back when the AR-15 was being looked at, it was proposed that it be made not in a center fire caliber, but it actually was to be proposed in a room fire round. But they were even looking at that, looking at going with not 22, 22 long-rival, but going with 22 magnum. Mark, let's put a different measure on this. I know we have another caller waiting.
A .22 is gonna be kinda like a, uh, let's compare it to an edged weapon. You know, like the longsword, a pike, you know, a bayonet on the end of a spear. Let's call that a .50 caliber. Let's take that longsword and call it your main battle rifle. You know, your .308, so to speak, your .300 caliber. Run that down to .223. Now you're down to a katana. You know, the Japanese fighting short sword. It might be the sword you have in your second hand.
But at 22 when you start looking at the other's capabilities, most certainly you're fighting the Cantana or the Longsword with a big bayonet. Right. It has its application. One of the biggest advantages that I see with it is a lot of ammo on the shelf.
so we can continue to fight in between. Oh yes, don't be without a 22 simply for that reason. But in Texas you might get some 3- and 400-yard shots. Right, and there again where you might even look at, and this may sound strange, but if it's money that's the limit, is it money that's the issue or is it just... Then I would say, here's the thing, let's put it this way, I've always talked about working in tiers, I would get the 22 because you can get it for the least fastest.
Ammunition is readily available right now so you can put 500 rounds on the shelf. Boom! You've got 500 rounds if that's all you could afford in one brick. Now you can afford a lot more than that. Step two is to look at a centerfire rifle system that you can afford or to fill in the next blank with a shotgun of whatever choice. An 870, a Model 37, the Mosberg 500s. There's a whole bunch of other weapons and that's a personal choice issue there.
Performance, of course, I went right through what I consider my pecking order right there as far as what I'd be my eyeballing for right off the bat. But the centerfire rifle, if you're limited, remember there are a lot of bolt guns. Now this is again, the centerfire rifle and especially what we call MBRs are designed to keep the enemy at arm's length, keep the amount away from you.
and placed rounds are what we need to see accuracy because again the very thing you're talking about you don't have a big wallet you're not going to have a vast inventory in phase one of ammunition behind you or on you I mean you should have it on you but you're going to have a limited amount of material so accuracy over volume fire is critical 200 misses do not constitute a hit
If they get that close, that little nylon 22, the Ruger 10-22, well, nobody's going to ask who they got shot by or what they were using when they start feeling holes generated in their body. They're going to get out of the way and drop out of the line of fire.
They're getting a whole big series of math formulas here they've got to bring up. Now the checks of all people came up with an interesting with tri-burst formula using 32 ACP. So for people, when people say, oh, the small calibers won't work, what their concept was multiple strike kinetic energy delivery. It's where more than one round hits almost immediately behind the other. If you take 10 rounds and dump them into a target, I don't care who the target is, they're not going to really be motivated to advance forward, especially if you know how to use round placement.
Now my position, anybody who's squeamish out there, there's so much body arm around there, I've been training the troops for years, go down into the motor function area, drop into the groin, not up to the head.
Why? I'll tell you what, that guy's screaming in thrash and the bullet hits somewhere soft on any groin armor, it's going to slide over to something squishy, it's going to hit something vital, it's going to hit the ball of the hips, it's going to hit an artery, it's going to chew up other vital organs in the lower area that are very painful, and guess what, one way or another, that target isn't going anywhere any faster.
You also know that every round you put down range is going to do damage. So even the 22 would do well at close range for a job like that.
We'll continue this. We're at the top of the hour for this hour. Don is always, God bless the Republic. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We are on the march both day and night. We're on, whether it's a 22, a 30-06, or a 50-caliber. We're turning them on the enemy, chasing down the road, giving the backpack full of rocks. Let them swing back to the spiders that sent them. Yep, give them hell, boys.
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