Mark Koernke and co-host Don Betcher interviewed author John Stormer about his seminal book 'None Dare Call It Treason,' originally published in February 1964, which documented communist infiltration in American institutions. Stormer discussed how he researched and self-published the book, which eventually sold over six million copies, and explained efforts by academic institutions like the University of Michigan to restrict access to it and similar patriotic literature. The show covered themes of communist influence in education, the suppression of conservative thought in libraries, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and ATF involvement, the Columbine High School shooting and its connection to curriculum promoting death and suicide classes, and recent federal weapons raids in Alabama. Koernke emphasized the importance of citizens documenting government overreach and staying vigilant against what he characterized as ongoing threats to constitutional freedoms.
I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free.
and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.
Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled.
You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn.
and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave?
Both sons of the Republic arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the midst for once he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame.
For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watching tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dill the land of the free. Well, so I'll bring up the program
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back. This is the intel report. It's the top of the hour. It's just starting out. Don, we've got a guest today. Yes, we do, Mark. I, uh, he's been with the intelligence report the evening hour a number of times over the past few, you referred to you, Mark, and I'll do it again because again, we're, cause you know, we can take advantage of almost a lifetime of the television and the radio and the newspaper. Bring to the hour, Mark. Do not use this phrase. People's chance. I'm fine. God, it's good to be with you. Own introduction here. We have Mark.
Mark, meet John Stormer.
And so that's what happened. It became an implemented tool that actually a lever that moved a whole lot of people to force them to think and also to lock all of the tumblers into place, you know, click, click, oh wait a minute, click, all that makes sense. You open the door and you realize, oh my goodness, there's more doors. There's so much more to ask questions about once your eyes are open. Well, again, you know, John, your book was published in
63 was the first year? 64, February of 64 it was issued. Okay, I'm sorry Mr. Peijer. You had done a lot of research before that. It appears as if we're going to go to a break. No. Okay, somebody... But you've done a lot again, not... Bibliography. Index and bibliographies. Referencing material. When you get back to the references, you have pages upon pages upon pages, which is good because
Again, most people go, well, I don't think it says that. And the most important thing about having a reference in the index in order, whether they're quite extensive, demonstrates that the person's done their research and can take you to the place information came from. The background and everything is there with the book, which is the other important thing. What's funny is I used this book, one of a couple of them. None dare call it treason. The other one, none of you are calling it conspiracy.
because they at the University of Michigan because I had students that worked for me constantly and Give me a second here. I've got a special report. I'm going to cut in guys Okay, five arrest and arrested in weapons raid in Alabama federal state agents rest five men during a series of weapons raids in Northwestern now I'm sorry, Northeastern Alabama early Thursday One raid that forced the shutdown of a nearby school Eric keen a spokesman for the Bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms bat faggots
said agents were looking, were, were, I'm sorry, looking, weapons and things along other lines but declined to elaborate, and that's bad English on their part. Said the sweep was continuing Thursday, but said that they would continue. The 500 unidentified men were arrested on federal warrants. King said they were expected to appear before a federal magistrate in Birmingham later in Thursday.
at least five bomb teams were on hand of course he always do the bomb team nonsense even if there never was any of that's just for the sake of propaganda on hand in case explosives were found in other words do the drama thing you know crank the drama nonsense up while the raisin colinsville was a at a trailer and another was at a nearby house about a quarter mile from colins school officials said they decided to cancel classes about six hundred fifty students for about six hundred fifty students from the grains of kindergarten through twelve
uh... in in course a swarm of police vehicles from him we're going to delay school but because of the possibility of explosives after residence we felt it was safer to cancel school uh... the culture of jimmy harris said yada yada yada so anyway uh... this is a pop-up uh... right now everybody listening to this is a house-to-house operation we need more information at the reason when i bring this up anybody who can should be doing a flag report right away you prefer a sick rep who what
when, what were they doing, what were you doing? I will repeat again, who, what, what were they doing, what were you doing? The bat faggots are involved, 99% of the time it's just flat out lies. Now the one thing the ATF is good for, you can tell when their mouth is moving, they're lying. So everybody heads up, pay attention to this, this is in eastern Alabama. Of course remember that's towards the Georgia side where you got the GBI, Georgia Bureau of Investigation, they're as dirty as the day is long.
they're attached to the regional police and if you might recall the gb i what was the gb i doing for instance up in north carolina work off their and what what business with the gb i have with going to the carolinas in the first part of the state that's right uh... again this is what what we were demonstrating before about the regional police and all the other nonsense plugged in with it so again heads up and that you would do we're putting notices out on ltr and p bn right now plus for getting hold of our field reporters in the districts
So, in those particular counties, we should be able to cover that fairly quickly. Again, forgiving for the interruption there, but that was an immediate. And for everybody listening, we'll have this posted up on the website too at pbn.4mg.com. And that's pbn.4mg.com. 40 years ago. And this is, this is fruition of it. Yep. To include the interior, the exact model of the interior KGB, interior police of the KGB, Homeland Security.
of please you don't tell what we need to do our listeners some of them are fairly young may not have seen the book even though they shouldn't have hopefully what this is going to do is motivate people to come forward and seek the book out probably have looked for it use bookstores in some cases depending where you are in the country but you can order it still I think and I know you've got none dare call it treason 25 years later because I have a copy right here in my hand that I've had on the shelf quite some time correct and that's
original book in it without any change, history doesn't change. And then it has almost 400 pages of updated material in there, be it planned for a so-called death of communism. So you just send ISSA and T Missouri X3032, or you can go on the web, Liberty Bell Press, one word, Liberty Bell Press, come. Sometimes, John, we talk about staying in the fight. So just, you know, the fight for freedom. Nonsense, Adam, it's going on.
since Cain and Abel. One of the examples, and I have to do this, Mark, you look at the bottom of Nundare Call It Trees and the author's title page, right there it's Liberty. And guess what, you guys? It's so old it doesn't even have a zip. But I have a zip code here for you. It's 63032. But this just tells me, John, you've been in this fight for a long time, haven't you? Yep. Yes. Now, I'll tell you what, man.
That's our music there ladies and gentlemen. We're going to take another break for a minute. Well, it's John Stormer back from Nunderkala Treason and the update. This is the Intel report in the afternoon live. We'll be right back.
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Just like everybody, we've all started in different places, haven't we? Yes, you know, earlier I mentioned someone read it and then they kind of leaned on me. I was talking about Jack Otto. Mr. Stormer, I've been working hard to try to get you and Jack Otto to do and that would be very interesting. But Jack Otto is the guy who basically opened my eyes. And one of the reasons why is because years ago he read your book. I did you a great disservice, sir. Many, a number of years ago when I said on the air, well,
If enough people had read your book, we would not be enough. We are in now. And again, I repeat, I, that was a great disservice to you because you have opened many people's eyes. You've done everything in your towards my freedom, towards my prejudice, freedom. God bless you. What I, I got a question here. What brought you to that point where you would want to write this down, so to speak, even risking your life. We know what they've done to Patriots these days. Well, it's a long story. I'll make it as short as.
I grew up in a conservative home, then went off to college and during the 19th, I guess, I was, I mean, he did make some sense. I remember him saying, problems in education, but we don't really need more money for schools. We need more parental involvement. That made everybody right once in a while. So I ended up in Cuba and be looking around and it's the real start in 19th office and my one Republican can
convention from that year. He said, have you ever heard of a guy named Goldwater? And I said, yeah, he's some sort of crackpot senator from out. He said, well, I'm from today and I'm not so sure he's a crackpot. I was amazed to try to apply personal life, only he said they'd work for government. I became a well copy of his book. Later, he came to St. Louis, followed him around for two days. When I decided that I wanted to do what I could do to get him the Republican nomination four years hence, looking party. So I
found about my local Republican club and I went in and then all human events in the library somebody had left it was a little bit sheeted that seeing a political action convention in Washington it really attracted me well it was by before conservatives Democrat districts I was a young conservative living in a strong Democrat district at that point I'd read a few books and I'd gotten enough of information to know that I wanted to do something so I decided I'd go and find out
I went to that meeting live on the second night and I said I'm either the most respectable looking and bunch of people and once a crackpot moment decided at that point I needed to find out for myself so in three months time I 40 books thousands of page 3d reports and internal security report and I realized most people wouldn't do that kind of research on the road I decided well I said to write a 16 page fantrical engineer well magazine at that the communists
that that was found out that then and now for a year, send about get all the money back in those days with some of the conservative books. And I decided that there were no conservative publishers. Well, a couple of little ones. What I decided to do is I was working in primitive circles and surround the country that were involved by communist movement two and a half years at 125 names. And I
their call of treason and sent out and that was before the days of computers I had to hand type personal letters to those people slamming it in the wet what I knew about them I told them that asking for handouts if it's orders thousand of them we needed a 5,000 cup we could get the price down I sent out those hundred and twenty-five letters and eighty seven of those people fifty five thousand books we had some go on and they turned the book out in February
five thousand out within time we had orders for the other forty five forty five thousand that gave me the money then to print the second hundred thousand from there and again the key word here is six million books that's one of the things that people don't like to think about on the other side is that uh... you know it may be a great thing that's up as a six million broke books in print you know that your book was put into what's called the live death collection at the university of michigan not to be read
not to be withdrawn from the library but if anybody asks about the book they were to be questioned and there to be stopped. Not just your book but there's a whole selection. In fact you're by the bibliography of your book. I should say the part of the references I use is to make a list and part of those are on the no read list also. To contain the people's minds. Tell you what we're at the bottom of the hour break here. We're going to be back in a few minutes ladies and gentlemen with John Stormer. This is the Intel report. We'll be right back.
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The best way, hopefully they could call me at 314-1477. I hear a whole lot, but I do try to return phone calls. They can make contact, Liberty Bell Press. Between the two, we could probably get together. I don't hear an ink. Three, zero. Sometimes it takes a little time. Yeah, it's, you know, I've done it like this, John. We keep our nose to the grindstone, and hold their feet to the fire. You know, I'm good at twist-offing them up a little bit, but I think that's a pretty apt phrase for what we do.
Now, with all the publications, the reason I brought up the whole point about 6 million copies is that in the library system, the Institute for Social Research, which has been taking over most of the college libraries, originally when the Institute for Social Research came to the University of Michigan, they only controlled one library. Today they control all but one. They have restricted files for many of the books. What they do is they claim that they're rare.
and this is rather fascinating because none dare call it treason as you pointed out six million plus copies were in circulation one point or another people have donated copies to the University of Michigan along with many, many other books. The last thing I would do is donate books to a college. I have to hate to say that but for all you people listening who have collections of books you would be a gross error on your part. I could tell you horror stories of watching collections of books destroyed intentionally by the University of Michigan.
because they only want so many copies out there and they don't necessarily want anybody to read them. This is part of the control of the thought process.
of going in and stealing William Z. Foster's Tort a Soviet America. Students that have during the summer, I give them a checklist of these books. I say, here's what you do. Go into the stacks, go into the card files. Do not use the computer. Do not use a librarian to ask for these books. Most everybody would listen, but there was one kid who thought, oh, that guy's crazy. I don't need to worry about that. So we went right up to the librarian's counter. Young librarians there, he says, I want to see these books.
Your book was on the list along with others and she goes oh no problem sir and she punches in the numbers and she looks down at the screen and she looks up at him and he said and then she looked over at this other woman that was farther away who was an older woman who was actually the real librarian the girl was a just an operator and the other woman walked over and she looked at the screen and she looked at the papers that paper that had the list of books on it she said I need to see your ID card now like a cop
And so automatically, like a dunderhead, he just whips his ID, his U of M ID card out, and she pulls it across the counter and puts it where he can't reach it, and she's punching information into the computer. And then she goes, well, what do you want to see these books for? And he goes, well, I just wanted to read them. And she looked at him with a flat, cold expression and said, sir, there's nothing in those books.
that you'd want to read. That coming from an American librarian. Well, the, you know, the man that, and his name was Sidney Jacobs. Anyway, the guy at Kent State University, head of the library science department, and he was the faculty advisor to the Vietnam Committee Against the War, Kent State Committee Against the War back in 1961, that organized, some kids got killed, and the whole thing around, 76. Gus Hall,
Kent State campus, your friend whose papers were donated to Kent State, got in there for the Czech communist and there were papers on the libraries to bring about the revolution and so forth. So there's been condemning everybody that want to use libraries to bring about the revolution. And 25 years later there's a whole section on that guy's activity in the Kent State
identified him at the funeral as having been a loyal member of the party since nineteen from there again where people said this is why he why would ninety one when the wall supposedly fell you started to hear reports about gee uh... turns out pretty much everything that they were saying about holly weird and everything that they were saying about the soviet in the united states was true and uh... because of the people were translating and were require a certain documents and then that all was shut up
Notice it went off like a light switch because, well, the problem with that is that undermines all of the propaganda that they had generated to smear or attack anybody who was pointing out the real threat. Now, and the argument being that, of course, the Berlin Wall, when it fell, gee, we didn't go 1,000 miles or 2,000 miles east to Moscow. Instead, communism just advanced forward, or Soviet socialism appropriately, as we should call it.
Soviet socialism advanced all the way to the English Channel and then a little beyond. We'll look at the European Union as a re-ilation of the- Chris Story and the Soviet analyst and some information, the European Union, in which he shows very clearly how the European Union is fulfillment. The trick question is when everybody says, well you know, well Gorbachev, he helped to create this piece. I said really, well where is Gorbachev right now? Where does he live?
And you know, the average person, you know, that guy with the map of Istanbul on his forehead, remember him? And it's like, well, I don't know. I said, well, the Presidio in San Francisco. Well, his headquarters here is in the Presidio. And his headquarters in the London School. It demonstrates, OK, then there is, and this is what always bothers me, is when people don't answer the right questions, is it demonstrates that obviously there's a third history or something we're missing here, and you hit a good chunk of it with what you've done in your book.
I'll tell you what, we're going to go to a break again. This is the afternoon intel report. Another 15 minutes to the top of the hour. Stay tuned here, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be right back.
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secret sources or anything. Everything was there. It was either in the newspaper, one of the government committee reports or whatever. It's all there. A good deal of the news that we need to know, circulation newspapers. The difference is that if it's something that's harmful to guys, it's into trouble in some ways. You hear about it morning, noon and night for weeks and weeks. Another example of 1995.
That morning, the morning the Murrow building, we saw the reports coming out and a number of people recorded them, patriots across the nation. And this is why we have the recordings of the department and filming the ATF taking multiple vehicles into the building to retrieve more bombs from the building. You never tell us about that. You never hear about it again. No. You're right. Another more current example, you know, we try to stay on the front of the wave when we're surfing.
smoke screen going on with Gonzalez right now, you know our Attorney General. Basically, they're talking about everything that's falling out of the sky instead of talking about the explosion. The event line being, he was ordered to fight prosecutors out west because they refused to bring charges against Democrats before the election, thus ensuring that they would lose the election, and thus ensuring that fearless leader would stay in power. And the guy that's the prosecutor that should be fired is the guy that put those two boys
guys in jail. You're right. Exactly. Yes. There's maybe a deciding from what we've been talking about that they ought to read. What treason 25 years later, which has the original 1960s old communism, once in our schools, United Nations, they evaluate that are going on today. Copy of that book or to Liberty Bell Press, 32, Morrison, Missouri, FLO, S S A N T.
some friends they want to stir up, $30 and they can get flatter. There we go. And there again, the idea behind this is to get the text out. Remember, this is a book that in the college arena, for the most part, they try to make disappear. And there's a reason for that. They don't want people to think or understand exactly what's going on. And then, of course, when you're in graduate studies, they try to tell them, well, wink, wink, nod, nod. You all know that that's exactly what's going on.
This is what we have seen over and over again with young students that have become older students over the years that I've known. And they're like, Mark, you were right. Well, OK, it's not just me. There's all of these other men. And they've come before us. And John, you're one of them who is considered to be one of the deans in the Patriot effort in general now. I got to remember, we're getting up there. And it makes a big difference in that you're available. You're able to explain the people, the processes.
and you're able to help, you've actually helped move so many people. All of us, everyone probably is listening that's, well let's say 30 years and older because there's a lot of 30 year olds being influenced right away. Saw the book maybe in its first printing but sitting on the shelf and picked it up were influenced by you if they're in the Patriot effort. I'm hearing from people now that say my grandfather gave me this book. Let's look at something, there's all sorts of interrelated things and I've written a bunch of other books.
concern now about the immigration problem, the illegal immigration, the impact having and destroying our system in many of our southern states, destroying our schools. So if anybody else that's brought was open to all these problems, Supreme Court 71, V. Richardson said that no state fill in the full impact. So I have a new book out called Betrayed by the Post, what the courts have done to
destroyed in many cases whole components of our culture or at least a generation has been so heavily damaged that it's going to take a lot of repair to fix. The biggest problems again we can see is and they knew this. The thing about it is there it's not like they were ignorant of what they were doing. I think that's most important thing. You know you can lie only so far about that. Well I didn't know but I'm gonna keep doing it. Well I didn't know but I'm gonna do this. Well there's a lot of these people who all the rest
really feel they're doing good. If they could just eliminate God from society that causes all these guilt feelings of people, a lot of them are not themselves looking to do evil. They really think they did through the colleges and the universities. In your tech, a lady down in Texas has gone onto the websites of all of his professors and says, here's what I taught him to hate. That's outrageous. Yeah.
But the English departments in most of our colleges, most of our universities are the most distorted. They're just promoted. We've addressed the problem at Columbine. What about that a year beforehand? Didn't we? A year and a half before the Columbine shootings, I had people calling up on the air right into the program who were asking what's going on at Columbine High School. And it's like you said, it's like me asking you, John, hey, what's going on in Schmidlatt, Montana right now?
Well, you might know it's in Missouri, so I couldn't say that. But the point is that, well, where is Columbine High School? And they went through the whole process and they explained that, oh my god, you wouldn't believe what they're doing. They're doing death classes and suicide classes. And everybody says, well, wait a minute, suicide classes. It could be suicide prevention. But it was suicide classes and death classes. And then they had literature, of course, that matched everything. I have copies of this. It was sent to me. Their book's as thick as your 25-year book, OK?
And these books were so dark that Edgar Allan Poe seemed like a shining sunny day by comparison. And this young show has been stuff ever since he came to America at age 12. Right. And then in the colleges.
Well plus the Prozac Prodigy issue, the whole problem with the genetically engineered drugs, we know, okay, this did come up on the news. My first issue question was, did they seal the autopsies for him because the federal government has done that with all of these mass shooters? Now that's a question of itself we're going to answer eventually. John, I want to thank you for your time today. It's been good to be with you. If you can, we'll have you up again.
We should work on it.
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