I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors. So they're children, all people. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God-given right, and pray to God to keep the torture of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now his parents trampled each God-given right. We only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dyl the land of the... Very quickly before we go any farther and we have callers wait we have colors waiting right now. We've got Robert, Arizona But if you wait just a moment Robert, I know I know you're there I'd like to make sure that you if you would like to find out more information about what we do here at the Intel report Here's the address notice I'm giving you time to reach for your pen or to get to your keyboard So you can punch our number in here Okay, you should have a pen in hand and a piece of paper You can write to if you'd send an SASC by the way self-addressed stamp down below to PBN PO box 194 Dexter Michigan 48130 again, that's PBN PO box 194 Dexter Michigan 48130 that's our postal zone number And if you send an S.A.S.C., we'll send you all the information what we're doing right now. If you have specific questions or if you would like to send any information, here's the thing. What we do is we categorize and, of course, then we transfer the information, preferably over the airwaves, so that everybody else can know where to look and what's going on. Well, if there's anything you'd like to send us, use that address. That's PBN PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan, 48130. And our email is liberty at symbol provide.net. Again, that's liberty at symbol provide.net. And we're pretty busy, of course. I've got a mountain of paperwork left and right. I've been on vacation for several years and in the process, a lot of things have piled up or have been made available. I've been cross-referencing going through and categorizing a lot of items. but also been very busy with writing. So if you send an essay, you'll find out about the two book series that I wrote while at the monastery. Number one is a 12 book series, The Dagger War, which of course is in its second entire printing and it's been used by the NBF Wargaming and Officers College, well within our own circles. The second book series, which is up, In fact, I just finished the rough draft for Book 3 is the Battle for the Republic series. Book 1 is the Dance of Swords. Book 2, the Winter War. Book 3 is a dark anniversary that was just finished in rough draft form, but the books are available. We're also going to be doing radio production versions of the Battle for the Republic series and We're doing a television series, an episode series of Battle for the Republic. The first book will be 24 episodes, one hour each. And the filming has already started before I got out. In fact, the last year and a half, we've had stock footage and other work footage being done around the country. So it's going to be pretty dynamic. A lot of you people out there that are listening participated in the projects to get everything going. And I want to say thank you, by the way, because we've had some really good work that's been handed over to us already. The detail work and the more specific set work and the characters, you know, the reading throughs and all that are being done right now. And so the first episodes of Battle for the Republic, the TV series should be available in disc form. The idea behind this is to show that we have a multiple weapon system at hand. We have a combined arms team that we in the Patriot Movement can use. We have books, DVDs, CDs, VHS, cassette tapes, We have every other form and medium at our disposal and we need to use it. And so we're doing just that. And it's a lot of exciting work, a lot of fun in the process. Remember, we can wage war against a new world order click and in the process we truly enjoy ourselves. Also, we're catching the mind's eye of the younger people that are out there and a lot of you that are listening are younger people. Thank you for being here. We appreciate that. Now, Again, if you get a chance, we have two hours here with this programming in the afternoon. But if you'd like to listen to us on our other program, we're at www.pbn.4mg.com. Go to our website. You can find out more about the other work that we do. We've got the Intel report from 8 to 9 p.m. in the evening, Monday through Friday. And there's a lot of other work out there that's being done by good friends and patriots all across the nation. So with that being said, We have Robert from Arizona as a call in. Robert, how you doing? Oh, sorry about that. Didn't mean to hold for that long. Anyway, if Robert's out there, go ahead and give us a ring again. Robert from Arizona. Getting on with the whole issue or discussing this whole point about the prisoner transfers, prison transfers, one of the reasons I built up to the point where I hopefully took you to the next step. is as we know the threat to the United States economy to our economy of the respective states is the rest of NAFTA and GAP. Now, people, all of you listening, everybody out there, I want you to think about something. Didn't they lie every step of the way about NAFTA? Didn't they? Do you remember how the, in fact my favorite, I still, I want to rub this in because old Deadeye himself did this. You might remember when the, uh, Knapp and Gatt trees were there before the Senate, and they should have stopped it, and they all knew better. The dogs all knew. They set up a tie vote. And in the 11th hour, you might recall this, you were sitting there watching your television, the doors of the Senate opened up. And Igor, oh, I mean, Al Gore waddled out, standing there, went down through the wall, the Senate stepped to the podium. and cast the deciding vote for NAFTA in the Senate to break the tie that destroyed the economy of the United States. Al Gore, real proud of himself, stepped forward and cast the deciding vote in the Senate that destroyed your job. That's allowing people from other countries to take the land off from underneath you. That traitor, along with other traitors, have helped to destroy the economy of the Union. They know this. They understood it. When they did it, they knew exactly what would happen. You were all warned about this in the past. So I would plant that seed now, they've lied every step of the way people, and they're going to continue to do so. We have Robert from Arizona. Robert, how are you doing? Hi Mark, how are you? Oh, very good. Go right ahead, please. A couple questions real quick. One thing is, is I'd heard from a... a very wealthy man back in the 1970s that he said it was the powers that be and if you will, messed up unions and basically turned them into social and his thought at the time that you know this back in the 70s shortage. So real shortage it wasn't real shortage. Yeah more of a distribution shortage of a few tanker companies but make a long story short he said his thinking was just a long fifty dollars a day for his labor and that's housing if everybody gets out of asking for increases commens, increases of the price. So they were doing what they could to, you know, you could rationalize it away from a man point that this was all being done to try and keep the economy from the inflationary cycle that just wouldn't turn into another Argentina. First, they did unions pretty much. And I must say, some non union jobs, I got to say that some human nature plays a part in this as well. Yes, I think they were corrupted from within in part, but the lazy nature of mankind and other factors. Human culture, human nature got to take responsibility just as human beings that we've been in many ways. You know, it wasn't just that somebody tricked us. There was, I think, better than a healthier thing for the Patriot community to say that our things that, like you said, and some other people have said, that they've happened because somebody was in television, then walking up and down the street and... Right. Freedos were more important than freedom. Yeah, yeah, the concept, you know, you go anywhere in America today, the concept of community, the concept of a neighborhood, know each other and know their kids. Actually, you know, a good point with that is, and if you watch this, I'm in the Ann Arbor area and everybody knows that's like little California here in Michigan. And it's interesting to watch the way people react when actually you do try to just simply casually talk to them, just like you said. I'm sure people are seeing this all over the country. The fear factor or the intentional isolation mindset they've created, people recoil in a situation where, again, with locals, and we're in a small farming community, originally a farming community, now that's of course changed to a degree. But you see that. Traditionally, everybody used to sit down, talk to each other. It happens to a certain degree. But in general, being able to break the ice is pretty darn hard because of the conditioning that's been put in place. Yeah. Exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. I can remember in 2015, productive, healthy businesses, a company a machine shop, a welder, some other businesses that supported those businesses and other people who had a level. There was an economy there, maybe 500 people comprised this small. Today, those jobs disappeared due to shifts and changes in the economy. Sometimes it's technology, like an expensive, it's treated to be replaced nowadays by a steel pole that can be assembled on site in sections, doesn't require a truck to transport. There's all kinds of things that go into the changes that we occur, changes. One thing I think that would help us a lot is when something comes up, like you were talking about earlier about some pieces about there are people that were convicted for maybe a... And they end up being in another state in Utah or Michigan or someplace. I have heard of this idea that these prisoners are actually cataloged as some kind of a debit entry that Street buys themselves, that's a little tougher thing to prove. Is there any who can refer to it? Oh absolutely, that's what I was bringing up when I was talking on the air. Thank you. I did not hear your whole program. Oh I'm sorry, repeat? I did not hear your whole program. Oh okay, that's okay. I actually did go through. What happened is where we came about with the information on this, initially working with the defiling for your sovereignty to actually capturing the straw man. Many people are doing this now, both behind the wire and outside the wire. This is a process whereby you identify the straw man, the fiction that's been created by your birth certificate. There's two people out there. There's you, the corpus, as you exist. And there's the straw man, this fiction that was created by the Corporation of the United States, slash also the British Crown Mile. What they're doing is they're trading in people as commerce items. Well, the penal bonds are an extension of that, where you have a prison number that, once it's generated, the federal government, in conjunction with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of State of your respective state, have created this bond, these trading bonds. If you have a prisoner number, you can ask the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States. We've got to remember, he's a constitutional officer. He's actually authorized under the Constitution of these United States. He works for you and me. So once you embrace and take control of the straw man, which you're not supposed to realize exists, and this is something that we've done extensive. You've got to remember I was in the monastery for seven years, and I was studying this beforehand. Before I went into the system, I've had many people up on the air, and we've talked about this subject over the years. Well, inside we started to embrace, and in fact, I was giving people classes on the process and helping to teach people. about how the process works and we started tracking down all these numbers your driver's license number create the bond your social security number creates a series of bombs are your birth certificate creates a bomb that's worth a minimum of one point five million dollars that's right off the bat the moment you're born when they put that little pad print on it like a It's like the registration for an automobile. I follow you on all this, but my question is, is where is that traded and is it publicly traded or is it auctioned off in a batch where the individual items are kept hidden? Well, that's just it. It is publicly traded and it's publicly available because the prisoner number, this is what I brought up in the last hour, the prisoner number is the bond number. So when you go to the Secretary of the Treasury, let's say that you have somebody who has taken control of the straw man, or anybody can do this though, you have a prisoner number. What you do is you have an agent tell the Secretary of the Treasury that they want to do a survey, and they have to do this by law because you're involved. This is a commerce action. You ask them to survey all of the system to find out where the bombs are under that number. Now, in this case, and I specifically witnessed this process because I helped with it, we found that one prisoner's number, for instance, his bond, one of several, was with Merle Lynch. Merle Lynch acknowledged on paper, we have this as a letter, acknowledged on paper that yes, they had the bond for this particular penal, they had the bond number for this particular penal bond, they had the bond in their possession. But because we were not stockholders in Merle Lynch, they didn't have to disclose the specific value of the bonds. So what we did is I told the person who was the agent outside going by three shares of Merle Lynch. Re-submit the paperwork and they must surrender the information to you. Now, what I mentioned in the last hour, and I'll mention this again, everybody out there has investments that they've made with investment companies, with holding companies of different types, with bond packages. You have every right to ask specifics about how your money is being invested. And this gives you the end, the key to get into the system to find out about these penal bonds and how many are being put into your portfolio that have been part of the investment package. Now you brought up an interesting point. Most important is to understand that how... We've got three million prisoners. Here's exactly what you said here. How did they trade these? There's a whole hidden process. This is how scurrilous this thing is. This is how fraudulent and how wicked this thing is. Imagine that there's 258 million Americans in the United States, most of them born after 1933. After 1933, your birth certificate is automatically cycled into the system, into the bond market. How do they trade these things? Because they physically exist. I've seen the bonds as they've had to surrender them to us. Well, what you're saying, this is a form of a derivative that somebody's making money off of. Absolutely. The question is, get that money off that, because if I am being told, man is being sold, especially without my knowledge, then fraud has occurred because I should be the recipient of my body. Exactly. Now you've got to agree to give my body to anyone else. Well, here's the problem is if through a series of contracts and perceived benefits, you authorized the construction of these mechanisms. And this is the scary part is just what you know, this was leading to how many you realize what kind of paper we're talking about moving here. You're literally, okay, how did they, well, I've asked the basic question, how do they categorize this? Do they go by birth dates? You know, let's say that you have a stack of bonds, the thickness of a bail of newspapers, but they're all for a specific date. That's part of what we have not been able to clarify because this machine is running at a massive speed, a tremendous speed, and it's a massive amount of paper weight. The bond physically exists. I have seen and had in my hand examples of the bonds that they've had to surrender to us. There are two types. One looks like a bank book, like a payment book with coupons. And there are other variations on this. It looks like a monopoly board where each one of the little properties are actually the coupons as they go to maturity. The center of that monopoly card type system has the stamps of the specific countries that have traded in the instruments. So there's a whole racket to this thing and not only does the United States trade in this stuff, but everybody around the planet. Your bond right now, your birth certificate bond could be anywhere in the world right now. And that's why, for instance, now think about this, when you change sovereignty, let's say if I decided I wanted to denounce my quote unquote corporate American citizenship, They transfer me to another country. Well, how do they do this? And what do they mean by transfer? Nobody really thinks that through. What they do is they have to create another bond instrument for the corporation with the country that you're going to and that's how they accept it. Now, it's not always been this way, but it is the system that they have twisted everything into. And that's why, again, as I mentioned in the last hour, in 1993, 1994, and 1995, at the governor's conferences of the United States for the 50 states. The governor, well I can't remember the man's name, I got it on file, in fact it's right here. I got a filing cabinet moving, I got it in that door right there but I can't pull it out right now. They stated uncategorically that the, and this was made as a cursory statement as part of one of their opening speeches, that the people of the states are property to be bartered, sold. traded or exchanged at the discretion of the states. Think about that comment. Most people that just fly over their head and be like, oh yeah, well they're just kind of figuratively. No, it's not figurative. It is real. Now here's the thing. Like you said, you didn't know. You and I didn't know. Mark, any common sense one could argue that what these people are engaged in is a constructive fraud. Exactly. And this is the key to the constructive fraud of these bonds. Originally when these bonds were smaller, think about this, when there were fewer of them in motion, and when the money machine was not at the speed that it had, it was kind of like the flushing of a toilet. When it starts out, it was a very wide Coriolis and it was much slower as the bonds were moved around. Traditionally, legitimate bonds for things like bridges or for public works have always been in place and were sensible tools that matured at a reasonable rate and offered a reasonable amount of money as a return. These people took what was a legitimate mechanism, created a shirttail connection into a totally alien realm, and dragged it over to create this fraud, to create the people fraud that they have now. They've monetized the human, everything in the country is monetized anyway. The lamp posts, I try to explain this, I've done this for years with students, thousands of students. Well, you know, I understand all the monetization thing about Tricky Dick saying way back when that instead of gold and silver backing our currency, it would be the full face credit and the so-called strength of the American people. Right. And their economy that they create. That should have been a flag to everybody that heard the statement, but it didn't sink in, unfortunately. And it goes back further with FDR basically reinforcing it, making the original comment in that arena where he said, you know, this will be backed upon the fate of the people, not upon gold and silver. Remember, our founding fathers understood. That's why it's in the Constitution. And one of the things that we have to stress with all of our people that are listening, if they followed our rules, we have good government. We have an excellent system that looked at this problem 230 years ago. and understood, like you said earlier, the nature of men. Because of that, they had to come up with a just system. That system allowed for proper transfer and trade of time for some form of benefit, and the benefit was tangible, it was real, it's something that could be kept at a specific pace. There was no hyper-energetic action followed by collapse, which is what we're seeing now. And we've seen this before, that's what these depression cycles are all about. my problem with this whole thing with the bomb is icy this especially the flavor activities as the preamble to the collapse of the system and a on a phenomenal scale and what they're going to do what they're going to use something to use the people as the trader property they're going to foreclose on the property and that will be your excuse for going back to the battle days in the battle systems because they'll be quasi-legitimate. It is not acceptable. It is contrary to the body of the law of these United States. But again, as I pointed out, and I will say it again, remember, they plan on doing away with the borders, don't they? Well, Mark, the new border will be every individual derivative or dead instrument, which we used to know as the individual. Yeah, exactly. It will be the collected collateral. And that's what's hard for people to understand is that this mindset, this is slavery. This is what was a sliver. Okay, if you go to every state's constitution, if you go to the state of Michigan, you go to the state of Arizona, you go to the state of Florida, you go to the state constitution, it states that involuntary servitude has been banned except for specific limited involuntary servitude as punishment. So that's the camel's nose that they have used because then what you do as in the Soviet system everything becomes a crime. What I what Anne Rand wrote about in Atlas Shrugged is perfect because exactly you know if we don't have enough criminals we'll make enough laws to make criminals. Absolutely. I read Atlas Shrugged probably 25 years ago and that one at one sentence really stuck with me, but the other camel's nose under the tent is voluntary turbotube. That's what this, yes. I'll tell you what, Robert, stay right there. We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen. This is the bottom of the hour for the second hour of the African-American Intel Report. We'll be right back. Great host, great topics, brief speech at its best. This is We The People Radio Network. We understand that decisions related to health can be overwhelming. That is why at ResearchHerbs.com we take pride in offering you herbs whose safety and effectiveness have been proven time and time again. For example, did you know that LIV52, the top selling natural herbal supplement for liver diseases since 1930, is backed by over 300 research studies and clinical trials and prescribed by more than 200,000 health professionals worldwide? 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And again, we can also let you know what it is that we offer in the way of material and information that you can use for, well, technical training purposes, education. We cover a number of subjects and as you can hear on the program here getting into something interesting today Robert you know go ahead for a second you touched on the next aspect of this which really ties into it the voluntary servitude Well, you know anytime somebody reads the 14th Amendment it because I have a I have a way of reading things ten different ways I I'm not a terribly literal person I can read something and I can see in a question maybe three different answers if this is in the question. When you read the 14th Amendment, they talk about, you know, there shall be no, and I don't know the exact words, no involuntarily. Exactly. But that leaves the door wide open that there might be some forms of voluntary. So hit the nail right on the head, thank you, because that's exactly what they've done. What happens is, and this is what we mentioned earlier, By the way, trying to make sure I do this right for you. Okay, Article 4. Oops, wait a minute. Let me make sure that I got it right. I think I got the right paper here. Yes, I do. I'm going to read that in a second, but here's the thing. Exactly what you were talking about is what's happened is through a series of perceived benefits. Now, basically, it's like you have gold. Somebody's trying to figure out the treasure. Let's put it that way. You have a treasure. It's called liberty. This treasure is a gift from God. The authority to do whatever you're doing is based upon the principle of a combination of the old mosaic law combined with an extension of that, which is the common law, which stipulates that you own your time. You are the possessor of the supreme private property that everybody else is trying to steal your time. The way I explain it is like this. If I right now said reach into your right-hand pocket And I want you to pull out a handful of seconds for me and give them to me. Can you do that, Robert? Oh, you can't, can you? OK, so what does that tell us about time? We can translate time into an object, into a tangible resource that we can trade. But time is the supreme and ultimate private property. It is why your private property is of value to you because you have traded your life's time for a commutable material of some type. It can be the car out in the front yard. It can be the house you're sitting in. It can be the stapler that's right here in front of you. It can be whatever it is. It's your private property, which is a translation of your life's time. It is an exchange that you hopefully make in a voluntary manner. That's right. Now, here's the thing. For a perceived handful of breadcrumbs, chick feed, they have convinced people to surrender their supreme treasure, their sovereignty, slash their liberty, in exchange for some perceived benefit by going into contract in some way. This can be the, for instance, your parents unwittingly having your little paw print put on that manufacturer certificate, which handed you over as a piece of property with the birth certificate itself, which used to be just a certificate of live birth. Now it's a manufacturer slip registered with the Commerce Department, as opposed to the Census Bureau, which is where it should have been. In the process, step two is, for instance, Social Security. a perceived minimal benefit, you agree to indenture yourself, a perceived benefit is that somehow there's going to be some promise down the road that maybe somebody else is going to pay in under the Ponzi scan that they've set up, which we now know, as you and I know is running out, because most of the illegals, they ain't paying no taxes, and if they are paying taxes, here's what's comical, the way they got it set up, aren't they using identification fraud to do it? So they're paying into the wrong contract and haven't they through all of these identification frauds that have taken place virtually in the millions? Haven't they askewed the books and made them questionable and fraudulent because we can't be sure who's cooked the books and paid into what? So that's one of the other mechanisms. Well, some of them are more devious still. When you surrendered yourself as a prisoner, actually before you were a prisoner, when you came before the court, I want everybody to pay attention to this and Robert, you can do this too. Go in and become a court watcher. You will notice that the bar member, whenever it gets to the point where they're sentencing, the bar member steps forward or he's sitting next to you at the court. When you stand up, he will put his hand on your shoulder when the sentence is taking place. This isn't because he's steadying you. It's symbolism. What he is doing is he is transferring the ignorant party or the way they look at it is that you're incapacitated. You're incompetent when you come into the court and let a bar member operate around you. All of the bar members perceive all Americans to be incompetence. They don't want this little bar secret to get out. Well, since you were crazy enough to hand yourself over to this private party, he is now transferring you to the system as property and technically he puts his hand on you and moves you through one sphere of life or one sphere of control into another. And he is physically handling you as an incompetent and handing you over to the system. That's what his mission is. So that is, of course, in a way, it's volunteering your part too because what happened is you came into the court, an alien court, basically an admiralty court, as a piece of chattel property. Remember, in an admiralty court, the issue is property. It has nothing to do with justice. It's a property issue. You've become a piece of property through all the instruments we're talking about, and all they're doing is moving the property from one warehousing facility to another. That's what happens. And by the way, the term warden, you know, we have prison. In prisons, you have a warden, right? Yes. Go to Black's Law Dictionary and look at what warden means. Officer in charge of a warehouse. The officer of a warehouse. The warehousing officer accepts the chattel property for storage and for transfer. Now here's the other thing when I brought up this subject about prisoner transfer. There's a bunch of other stuff behind the scenes going on whereby these wardens and other key individuals profit from the transfer of property from one warehouse to the other. What we're curious about, and I still, this is one of the many questions I have, for instance, in the state of Michigan, they were moving prisoners around every three or four months. There was a whole racket going on. Michigan's economic system is in the basement. The only thing that's holding up the credit rating of the state of Michigan is the excessive number of prisoners, twice what it actually should carry in the prison system. While the prison bonds are used as the collateral which are being used to create the credit rating for the state of Michigan and it can't it's still not holding the system up. They have so poorly managed this gem called Michigan with all the fresh water of the country basically in one place where it's potable and accessible. They've mismanaged it so that even utilizing the Ponzi scam through the prison penal bonds and all the other tools that they've pilfered stolen or whatever they've run the economy into the ground. This is an example, this is why I said earlier in the last hour, this is an example of where the rest of the country will go if the socialists have their way. And it's all based upon, again, progressive steps, as you pointed out, of voluntary servitude, where they've handed themselves over in exchange in a contract. And it's not acceptable, but again, it requires education. We have the capability to do this, and what we're doing right now, when we're talking about the subject, we can bring specific points out. That's what people need to do. So anyway, you're absolutely right. The voluntary process is just as dangerous. The 14th Amendment was engineered to do that. People have brought themselves into the mechanism and surrendered their person. They've traded the greatest treasure that God has given them, liberty, in exchange for a bag of beans. Kind of like in the biblical context, you know, traded your birthright for a bowl of beans, you know, a bowl of boiled beans. it works the same way and the sad part about it is that that there's a problem it's a fraud this whole thing right now when you look at the beauty eyes of that bugger that's in washington right now and all the other bd i'd boogers are around them Understand that they know that they're betraying the American people and the sovereignty of this unit of these United States and they are selling us out and this is why I'll get to the next thing is solutions number one we got one man that I've seen so far that actually has been decent and honest enough that he's talked about some of these subjects and he's you know again he's he's one person but Ron Paul has actually decided to run for president and by God everybody out there needs to support him now They need to, and they can do it even if they're an independent candidate. I personally believe this is the year of the independent. If every one of us, you, Robert, me, all the other people out there listening, got motivated, and they can and they will and they must, because if not, there's going to be, there's probably going to be a war in this country anyway. At a given point, the court's going to pop. In the meantime, we have an option to come up with a peaceable solution. This is one of the peaceable solutions. Hey, remember, anybody can vote in the primaries. Anybody and everybody can vote in the primaries across the country. Laws vary from state to state. But you can still be an independent and vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. If Ron Paul makes it into the Republican candidacy, I would say, and I would tell everybody, back him 100% at the presidential level. But otherwise, we need to see everybody else motivated to bring the independence in and throw the buggers out. Period. Mark, go right ahead. I have two suggestions. Supporting Ron Paul is one of them. I'm definitely going to do that. I'm even going to try and become a precinct committee member in my community for the Republican party, much as I would like to hold my nose otherwise. I understand. The other thing is, is there is a way out of this If we can educate enough people as to what is actually going on before they do manage to collapse, there is one difficult possibility, and I call it universal debt forgiveness. Just lay clean, let everybody know what they're getting into next time, allow currencies to come about in a voluntary way and prohibit the government because they've been such a firm from ever having anything to do in measures except Exactly. Thank you. That is exactly one of the issues that needs to be brought forward because the thing is we have solutions. And in this case, with regard to the system, what actually what we're talking about here, most every American understood before 1933. In fact, before 1929, before 1913, when the scurrilous activity of the Federal Reserve came about, The American people were knowledgeable and I have to say this that the only reason you and I can speak about this now is because there are still there have been millions upon tens of millions of people who have been educated to the process and who have Progressively helped other people but the good thing we have is this what we're doing right now on the air allows for a quantum multiplication of the number of people who now understand what the fraud is this tool CDs, DVDs, I don't care what it is, where we have multimedia allows us to educate the population that much more effectively. Now some movies are never going to wake up. Some people are going to eat drink and be merry until the ship slips below the waves, if we allow that to happen. Well, even with knowledge, knowledge alone won't make a difference. We're going to have to pray that more people are able to develop a backbone somehow. In other words, that we have some courage, we have the ability to stand up the hyenas that would literally eat us if we let them. I like it, thank you. I liken it to the old age. The new version of Dawn of the Dead, remember the zombies now run? I think a simpler analogy is just Wizard of Oz. My grandfather helped build the set and God rest his soul. He died the year after it was built. He spent most of his life working as a miner and lung cancer got to him. But he worked on that set and built that farmhouse and the country lane and a lot of those scenes were back in Kansas because that's where some of my family came from. And there's quite a story to be told in that story. It's a shame they didn't keep this for the Ruby Slipper. A few changes made in the script that would have made it more obvious to the average person watching. Now, you know that, for instance, this is something about The Wizard of Oz was actually 22 books? I didn't know. There are, if you get a chance, this is something everybody can do, we can have fun with this. The Wizard of Oz is the first book in a series of books that cover the economy. That's really what it was. It was a veiled way of concealing high banking and commerce and the mechanisms of the powers that be. There's even a board game, and this is from the, from when the books originally came out, that, that was a reflection of all the processes involved. In the traditional lozenge type board game, they were like looking at a contact capsule. If you lay it down on the table, look at it from above. If you get a chance, check out and look at all of the different texts that were done. Every once in a while, you'll find somebody has at least samples of them at one of the book collections or the local state, like at the state library level, they might have a collection there. You can access them to look at them. Obviously, they're rare books or they're restricted. but there are a number of different printings. Every once in a while you'll find them in used bookstores. Take the time and take a look at them. They even actually did remember Back to Oz. Okay, that wasn't something that they made up as like an addendum to The Wizard of Oz. It was the next book in the series that they had started to work on and you didn't catch on quite the way everybody expected but still it demonstrates that there was other work out there that was done that just wasn't picked up on. the yellow brick road, the Emerald City as we know, the green ink wells of money, paper currency, printing all the paper you want, everybody's just happy and jovial and just seems to just run on forever and ever, but we can't explain how it runs. I mean, they're starting to change the color of it now, but you get my meaning. Oh, but by the way, before I forget, I was just informed here. The series, okay, they have reprinted the Wizard of Oz series. Oh. A series of six books or six reprinted. Okay, they did it three years ago. And is it Jolly Tiger? I think it's Jolly Tiger. The Jolly Tiger is book two, but the print, they have reprinted the series and they're out there now. I'll be darn, I'm going to have to look for those. So I just passed on to me that, yep, in fact, and three years ago is when the latest printing took place. So they should be out there in the bookstores. Now remember, if all else fails, you can go to the warehousing section with regard to whatever service, you know, whatever book company you're buying books from. And if they don't have it directly in stock, they'll have it through the warehousing system. So as the second book, the Jolly Tiger was released the retitled or the title for the second text. at least we can help you out there. Okay and where on the website can I look at this crew about the... Actually what we did is there's a series of works that I was doing while I was in the MDOC, Michigan Department of Corrections, and all of the stock, all the material information is still behind, not just behind the wire, we had copies out here. But what I'm doing right now, since I've only been out for about, what, 20 some days? is getting everything, everybody's laughing. Everybody is trying to get as much done as I can so that we'll have all this to present, but we have examples of the letters. I don't think I have to confirm with our one friend is whether or not he wants it sterilized so that he doesn't draw any heat, but the system already knows that the people are filing the paperwork inside to a degree. And this information can all be made public and we can walk you through. We're going to walk everybody through step by step. We already have done this. We have this out in physical form. I haven't put this up on a website yet because I just simply haven't had time. We can offer examples and show you how to do this. I've helped with many hundreds of people to get this paperwork done inside. Okay, has anyone walked the phone and bought their three shares of stock and demanded for Well, that's that's that is exactly what they what was being done at the time as we've been doing and we've had we've had several different people who have learned the process Who have taught themselves the process from different perspectives? There are two schools one is capture all the instruments and keep them There is another school which argues capture all the instruments and make them disappear Take teeth out of the machine In other words, how long can a gear run when the teeth disappear and simply you have a point where there are so many teeth missing and the gear spins rather than turning. It just spins in place. And that's one of the things that's being looked at, it's been looked at. I have to wait to a degree because we have people who, personally, in my opinion, have become monks or become immersed in this information. And this happened outside too, by the way, not just inside. And for that reason they have become, they're at the collegiate level with regard to understanding this. Beyond that actually, these are professors and these are individuals who have become so adept that I think they're better at the system than the system is. And this is one of the reasons you're hearing comments made, for instance, around the country about trying to get rid of what they call the jailhouse lawyers. Well, what it comes down to is this. You either treat prison as a prison and lollygag around wasting your time, or you treat it as a monastery and you embrace a subject and you immerse yourself in it and you become a student. I have seen people go both ways, but the people who have been students, there are people who study law who have, that's all they do. There is no television in front of them. They don't listen to radio. A book is before them every waking hour and they have become masters of the of understanding this system we're talking about that's what they were the the re-knockers of new world over click is terrified of is that instead of walking around in a stupor we would all start to look at this situation and ask basic questions and that's what we've been doing um... i hope to offer and and and this is just general information we already done this on the air if you go through the process if you have somebody who you know is a prisoner and you become an agent for them, say outside, given that they have them sign an authorization sheet that basically makes you the technical field agent for them for discovery. What you can then do is taking that document, you can then become the agent outside that can do the investigation and go right to the source, go through the Secretary of the Treasury, and asked for information on that penal bond number, which of course you have for the prisoner. He can be from any state, wherever he's from, and it would confirm what we're talking about. Because these bonds are very much in existence. My only curious, the one thing I've always, the image, it's so hard, I mean, because people are, even when we're talking about this on the air, the biggest thing to grasp is, well, there must be millions of these. No, there's more than millions, there's hundreds of millions of these things. And there were somewhere, physically somewhere, right now. For every prisoner, there's at least one, and in fact there's a whole stack for each prisoner that's used. We've seen, some people have physically seen the new ones, which kind of look like big versions of a federal government check. Got a Statue of Liberty at one side, the multi-colored bands through them, and they're actually stacks of anywhere from 10 to 20 to 30. that are created against a prisoner's number and they're virtually worth hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars per sheet. So how many have been made? And that's just the penal bonds. Now in the other bonds and instruments, virtually hundreds of millions are floating around. My problem is, do they retire them? Let's say that you and I, let's say that Mike tomorrow or Mark tomorrow passed away. Are they keeping proper book that they really are keeping track of where that bond is and whether or not that bond should be retired? Or like all the rest of the fraud, are they allowing it to continue to circulate, to continue to collect against a device or a tool, in other words, us as a piece of property, that no longer exists? That may be, Mark, but the other issue is guessing that exists and that it's out in the open. If this is true, then one of the things that even at a very low interest rate, there's a of money being paid in interest every day of every year. Oh yeah, no, as far as proving this, this is like I said, any person can do this. One thing that people misunderstand, the secretary of the treasury is your employee. You don't come up to him begging. This is one thing I've had to teach people and many other people have had to do this too. You don't come hand in hand to the secretary of the treasury. You come as a free person stepping forward and looking at your employees saying, I want you to do this. Now, here's the thing about your employee. He works within a three-ring binder, just like the feds of any agency do. The FBI does the same thing. The ATF, they have a three-ring binder with basically, and you imagine it this way, with their specific operating instructions within that binder. The Secretary of the Treasury works exactly the same way. But here's the thing, he has a series of directives and activity sheets that tell you how his commerce actions work. When you tell him to do something, typically you pay a fee. It's chicken fee when you consider you're dealing with high commerce here. It can be a $35 or $15 fee for filing. If you don't know what to do, well, obviously he's not going to, if you don't give him the proper instructions, he's not going to follow through. Well, this hour has gone fast. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to continue with this tomorrow. Robert, thank you for coming up. I appreciate that. Thank you, Mark. God bless. As always, ladies and gentlemen, God bless the Republic. 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